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[quote author=Aloy+Emeka link=topic=458649.msg6603519#msg6603519 date=1282250537]Miracles are real o.[/quote]If miracles are real then why does God not heal amputees and restore their amputated limbs?. . . . . ALL faith miracle claims are FALSE. . . . .If you have ONE verifiable faith healing miracle pls bring it on. . . . . .Just one. . . . .

^^

A simple study of human anthropology will tell you that his hypothesis is very true. . . . . .

i care:
The same way a dead person becomes invisible when his spirit lives his body so is satan invisible because he is a spirit like wise God.satan is not a personification but a real being likewise angels and demons

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Do you have any evidence for this or are you just spewing ridiculous religious dogma

we as human beings cannot see the devil except with our eyes of the spirit except God permits us to see him or he himself permit himself to be seen for those that have sold their soul to him.

The truth is he is better described as all the evil you see today.satan is a spiritbeing not a humanbeing he cannot die but he manifest.

This person clearly does not know what he/she is talking about. . . . .

Uyi Iredia:
@ mazaje >>> is there any theory or hypothesis u know of which proposes how the early man was able to have societal order without laws

I believe in the words of Democritus who to me is one of the greatest phlosophers that ever lived. . .Laws came about and were created by humans through trials and error, people heard to learn or invent what ever concept of morality they chose to accept and live by. . . . .Here are some of of his(Democritus) thoughts from wikipedia

"Democritus thought that the first humans lived an anarchic and animal sort of life, going out to forage individually and living off the most palatable herbs and the fruit which grew wild on the trees. They were driven together into societies for fear of wild animals, he said. He believed that these early people had no language, but that they gradually began to articulate their expressions, establishing symbols for every sort of object, and in this manner came to understand each other. He says that the earliest men lived laboriously, having none of the utilities of life; clothing, houses, fire, domestication, and farming were unknown to them. Democritus presents the early period of mankind as one of learning by trial and error, and says that each step slowly lead to more discoveries; they took refuge in the caves in winter, stored fruits that could be preserved, and through reason and keenness of mind came to build upon each new idea"

OLAADEGBU:
You can either believe man's fallible ideas that there is no God, or trust the perfect Word of God, that says there is.  It is a matter of faith whether you say God exists or not.  The exciting thing about being a Christian is knowing that the Bible is not just another religious book, but it is the Word of the Creator God, as it claims.

When did any God appear to you personally and told you that the words written in the bible are his? Tell me when that God appeared to you and told you that the bible belongs to him. . . . . .Saying that the bible is God's words without providing the God to make that assertion is nothing but a fraudulent claim. . . . .

It is only from the Bible that you will get the reason why there is beauty and ugliness; life and death; health and disease; love and hate.  Only the Bible gives the true and reliable account of the origin of all basic entities of life and the entire universe.

Reasons like death coming around because a talking snake deceived a woman in a garden to eat a fruit from a tree on knowledge, eh? Or women suffer birth pains because they ate from a fruit, animals also suffer birth pains, did they also eat from the mythical fruit too?. . . . . . .There are other religious text that pre-date the bible and also offer their own mythical explanation as to why there is pain,suffering and death. . . . .Study other religions and do not be stuck with only one mythology. . . . . .How does the bible give the true account of the origins of the universe when it very clearly states that the earth was created before the sun and the stars, its very clear that the bible God has no knowledge of observable REALITY. . . . .

Of all the religious myths available, the satan myth is the one that stuns me the most, why is the alleged satan character invisible?. . . . . .Where does he reside? What languge does he speak? Is he every where? Is he presently in the mythical hell or is he roaming around causing havoc as alleged by those that believe in the satan myth?. . . .

According to hebrew mythology satan is an "adversary". He's more like a prosecutor in a trial, with god as the judge.

This is what Robert Ingersoll wrote about Satan's origins:

We obtain our Devil from the Jews, and they got him from Babylon. The Jews cultivated the science of Demonology, and at one time it was believed that there were nine kinds of demons: Beelzebub, prince of the false gods of the other nations; the Pythian Apollo, prince of liars; Belial, prince of mischief makers. Asmodeus, prince of revengeful devils; Satan, prince of witches and magicians; Meresin, prince of aerial devils, who caused thunderstorms and plagues; Abaddon, who caused wars, tumults and combustions; Diabolus, who drives to despair, and Mammon, prince of the tempters. -- Robert Ingersoll

Yahweh was at one time just one god among many Jewish gods, and evolved to be the 'one true god', and it looks like Satan did the same. At one time just one of the several 'chief' demons, now the supreme ruler of the dark side.

Many Christians just blindly accept the hero/villain account without question. But my questions above are meant to uncover the logical problems with such a story.

What are the hero's attributes?

* omniscience
* omnipotent
* omnipresent
* all-good

Right, Christians?

So why not use the super-power of omnipotence to disintegrate Satan into a puff of smoke, gone forever? Why not use the super-power omniscience to foresee failure and not create him? How does the attribute 'all good' gel with allowing the greatest known force of evil to have dominion over your precious creation? (etc etc)

[quote author=Rhino.3dm link=topic=498100.msg6603726#msg6603726 date=1282252288]Akwai lokacin da naje sicily, in gaya maka wata shegiya ta sani agaba, kai! Na wahala da kyar na sha. Ai kawai wai sai dai aure, na ce waneni. Karshanta saida akayi mun replacement din dole.[/quote]Aure? Wa ke ta aure a yanzu? Ni dai yanzu ina Ibiza ina ta shagali na kawai, idan na gama na koma Helsinki, kai ka bar matan nan kawai, mu na nan mu na ta juya juana kawai dai a yanzu. . . . . Wasan a yanzo dai a kuwai dadi  sosai . . . . . . .

[quote author=Rhino.3dm link=topic=498100.msg6603423#msg6603423 date=1282249629]A yanzu Ina nigeria , dun akwai wani project din da muke kokarin kammalawa. Amma zuwa wajajen december, zan je france. Ko da shike babu tabbaci dun client din mu  yanata  hura wuta. Sai mun kai kaman kashi tamanin.[/quote]Da kiyau mallam, Ina ji ni ma zan shigo nigeria a december na shigo na gan iyali na da abokan arziki. . . .A chi gaba da harka, fata na shi ne ka samu sa'a a duk harkokin da kake yi. . . . . .

[quote author=Rhino.3dm link=topic=498100.msg6603438#msg6603438 date=1282249767]Alaji sai a hankali, matan turawa akwai matsala. Ga zafin kai.[/quote]Ai ka bari kawai mallam, amma muna nan munata juya su, ba yanda za su yi da mu ai, sai dai su hakura kawai . .  . . .

[quote author=Rhino.3dm link=topic=498100.msg6601266#msg6601266 date=1282228076]Maza! to ina labari? ya harkoki?[/quote]Ba wani labari mazaje,  zafin summer kawai a ke ta shapo wa anan wurin, harkan bin mata kawai na ke ta yi yanzu. . . .a nigeria ka ke da zama ko kai ma a turai ka ke?

OLAADEGBU:
Man's way of returning God's favour.

Did you know that man consists of Iron, sugar, salt, carbon, iodine, phoshorus, lime, calcium etc; 263 bones, 600 muscles, 970 miles of blood vessels, 400 cups on the tongue for taste, 20,000 hairs in the ears to tune in to all sounds, 40lbs jaw pressure, 10million nerves and branches, 3,500 sweat tubes to each square inch of the skin, 600 million air cells to the lungs that inhale 2,400 galons of air daily, and a telephone system that relates to the brain instantly any known sound, sight, smell taste or touch; The heart that beats 4,200 times an hour and pumps 12 tonnes of blood everyday?

So you now understand why man is still scratching his head when it comes to putting his money where his mouth is.

I know all these things, what I want you to do is provide evidence that your own version of God called Yahweh created man and not some other God, if you ask the Muslims or Hindus etc they will tel you that its their own version of God that created man, your evidence that Yahweh created man is WHAT?. . . .I am tired of you repeating the claims of unknown and illiterate primitive hebrew men who said that the planet  earth was created before the sun and that humans were created from dust. . . . .Evidence is what I want not deluded dogma. . . . .

[quote author=Rhino.3dm link=topic=498100.msg6596064#msg6596064 date=1282159729]^^^ network dina ya lalace bani iya aika sako cikin sauki. In ya gyaru zan neme ka.[/quote]Kai Alhaji na ga al'la man kana jin hausa kuma ka iya rubutu da hausa sosai kuwa, ka burge ni. . . . ba wani abu idan network din ka ya gyaru ka neme ni, a huta gajiya. . . . .

[quote author=Rhino.3dm link=topic=498100.msg6595754#msg6595754 date=1282157115]^^^You first. . .[/quote]Maza ashe ka na jin hausa?. . . .Kai bahaushe ne?

noetic16:
Seconded. maz we are waiting 

You go wait tire. . . . . .  Nice to see you around, hope you are good out there. . . . . . .

OLAADEGBU is way gone in his delusions, the world is less than 10,000 years he keeps yapping, does he have any scientific evidence to show that the universe is less than 10,000 years old. . . . . .

alaper:
You don't need to be an atheist to see through this scam.  Just a bit of critical thinking skills.  It is unfortunate that grown-up adults will swallow any miracle claim no matter how ridiculous in as much as it helps to validate their religious beliefs.  I wonder what their reaction will be if later they hear that the woman is a muslim, or Guru Marahaji for example.   I bet, then, they will then scrutinise the issue more critically.  It is interesting how miracle claims are accepted without question when they come from the person's strand of a particular religion, but rejected when they come from another religion or even a diferent strand of the same religion!

Very well said, desperate religious people falling for very cheap scam just to promote their religious beliefs, the woman is NOT 60 and the entire story is just a SCAM organized to sell a fake product(barrenness cream). . . . . . .It's also possible that the baby is not hers at all. . . . . . . .The pastor of the church is a fraudster end of story. . . . . .

I can not believe that Noetic has fallen for this very cheap and lame scam. . . . . .What the heck is this? Firstly the woman IS NOT 60 because that is not how 60 year old Nigerians look like, secondly this is just a cheap scam to invite people and defraud them of their money. . . .

[quote author=Aloy+Emeka link=topic=458649.msg6168644#msg6168644 date=1275921775]The doctor did not also help matter as the way he described how Mama's body would be mutilated, frightened her so much, coupled with the fact .

But Mama appealed to him and persuaded him to let them try GVM. They, however agreed that GVM would be their last port of call.

Hear Mama Inaolaji: "I was 59 years old when I came to GVM with eight multiple fibroids, two ovarian cysts and tube blockage in 2009.

"I had never been pregnant for once in my life but I was told that I had to remove the whole of my womb and I ran away from (orthodox doctors).

"I went to GVM and I used GVM's frothy cream and anti-barreness cream. I conceived and gave birth to a baby boy at age 60 while my husband is 70 .[/quote]What the heck is anti barrenness cream?. . . . .*Hiss*. . . . . . .

peaking with Sunday Tribune, the founder of GVM International, Dr. (Evang.) Christianah Abosede Oluwashola said she used to operate fibroid until Jesus told her in a dream to use herbs to cure same

http://odili.net/news/source/2010/jun/6/619.html

This is a pathetic joke. . . . . . .

seyibrown:
Then tell us one invention of man that was made without anything that was created by Jehovah!

Its the other way round, Jehovah is a creation of man. . . . . . .

aletheia:
^^^you!

How?

OLAADEGBU:
Since they are struggling to find an answer to your question let's read an account of one them that almost made such inventions.

A group of scientists, atheists and traditionalists got together and decided that man had come a long way and no longer needed God.  They picked one scientist to go and tell God that they no longer needed Him.

God listened patiently and kindly to the man and after the scientist finished, God said, "Very well!  How about this?  Let's have a man-making contest."

To which the man replied, "OK, great!"

But God added, "Now we're going to do this just like I did back in the old days with Adam."

The scientist said, "Sure, no problem" and bent down and grabbed a handful of dirt.

God just looked at him and said, "No, no, no.  You make your own dirt!"

This is a LAME attempt at a joke, your evidence to show that Yahweh created dust is WHAT?

I just hope that the poster knows that the picture of the boat he had up there did not float when they tried to make it float. . . . .

nopuqeater:
@Mazaje: Do you have a video of your birth, when you are coming out of Momma? I want you to be the person doing the recording as you are coming out.

When you can show me your video, then maybe you will be able to locate the video you are asking me to show you.

Video: A recent Invention.

Camera: An earlier Invention, but less than 1000 years old.


Mazaje, in his smartness asked me to show a video of something that happened over 1400 years ago. Mazaje must be able to show himself recording his own birth; he was there, so it will not be impossible for him to show an event that was mere between 20 to 50 years ago.

I don't have a video recording of myself coming out of my mum birth canal but I do have pictures of my mum when she was pregnant with me and there is the DNA to beside facial resemblance show that is my mum, a lot of other people have video evidence to show when they came out of their mother's birth canals, your evidence to show that Allah revealed the Koran to any body is WHAT? Claims are NOT evidence, and your belief does NOT count as evidence. . . . . . .When men were primitive,babaric and without knowledge Allah was busy telling them how he created men from clay, how to stone each other to death and cut each others hands for stealing and fornicating, right?. . . . . . . . .Revelation my behind. . . . .Allah remains the creation of the arabic tribe just as Yahweh remains the creation of the ancient Jewish tribe and that is the FACT. . . . .

nopuqeater:
@Mazaje: « #47 on: Today at 09:12:36 PM »Show me the story of Luqman or Shuib, Hud, Salih, what about Surah Rum, or Rahman? And Quran itself answered you with the following verse in Surah Qamar; Sura 16.103 We know indeed that they say, "It is a man that teaches him." The tongue of him they wickedly point to is notably foreign, while this is Arabic, pure and clear.


Quran still in existence and used for all the purposes it was revealed in (The Tongue of the Arabic Messenger/Prophet (AS)), PURE ARABIC. THis Book is common in and not restricted to the hands of the previleged. Do you have the same for the Bible? The Quran itself answered you, Mazaje by two incidents;
Surah Najm: Verses 2 through 4; Your companion has not strayed; he is not deluded;

وَمَا يَنْطِقُ عَنِ الْهَوَى

{3} he does not speak from his own desire.

إِنْ هُوَ إِلا وَحْيٌ يُوحَى

{4} It is nothing less than a inspiration that is inspired to him


The same Arabic verb 'to inspire' used in the above verse has been used elsewhere to more explicitly refer to the Qur'an, for example:

"When you do not bring them a fresh revelation, they say, ‘But can you not just ask for one?’ Say, ‘I merely repeat what is inspired to me from my Lord: this revelation brings you insights from your Lord, and guidance and mercy for those who believe, so pay attention and listen quietly when the Quran is recited, so that you may be given mercy.’ " (Qur'an 7:203-204)

This gives further evidence that in Surah An-Najm, what is being referred to by being inspired is the Qur'an itself.

Moreover, Allah does not make any mistakes. The prophet made mistakes which the Qur'an itself identifies and corrects. How can everything the prophet said be 'divine inspiration / wahi' like the Qur'an, when he made mistakes such as the occasion when the prophet ignored a blind man in favour over the rich when preaching his message:

"He (the Prophet) frowned and turned away, when the blind man came to him. For all you know, he might have grown in spirit or taken note of something useful to him. But you go out of your way for the self-satisfied even though you are not to be blamed for his lack of spiritual growth! As for the one the one who has come to you full of eagerness and awe - you allow yourself to be distracted. No indeed! This [Quran] is a lesson from which those who wish to be taught should learn!" (Qur'an 80:1-12)

Do you have a video recording of Allah revealing the koran to any body or are you still regurgitating the lies been told to you by other men?. . . . . .*yawns*

nopuqeater:
@Mazaje: « #21 on: August 09, 2010, 06:49 AM »Mazaje, you must have heard of a group of clan among Nigerians called the Fulanis? Well the Mauritanians have a similar group. They believe that the Mauritanian group is the mother of the one in Nigeria, the one in Guinea, the one in Senegal, even in Mali and Sudan, etc. The Mauritanians call themselves Pular or Phula. Which group is the copy cat here? Which name with its spelling is the copy cat between Pular of mauritania and Fulani of Nigeria?

This analogy has nothig to do with the FACT that those that wrote the kora go ALL their stories from the Christian and Hebrew scriptures. . . . .

Lets just assume that you accept there is God Who has Angel or Malaika named Gibreil or Jibril, which one is the authentic name of the angel or Malaika, since no revelation came down in English (Angel Gabreil) and revelation (Quran) came down in Arabic (MAlaika Jibril)? What did Moses call this entity that Muhammad (AS) called Malaika Jibril? What was his name in the language that Moses; coptic for sure when he lived in the house of Pharaoh, Medianite when he liked in Midean, and probably Hebrew when he began to interact with the people during exodus?

Your evidence to show that any revelation came down in arabic is WHAT?. . . .Do you have any video recording of Allah revealing any part of the koran to mohammed? Why do you accept the claims and assertions of the people that wrote the koran and refuse to accept the claims and assertions of those that wrote the bible?. . . . .And no, Allah did not reveal anything to anybody, people sat down created Islam and all its proceeds and claimed that it was revealed to them from some God named Allah, but that is FALSE. . . . . . . . .

Billy Hobe:
== Hobe's notes on Anti-Christ ==
Antichrist comes forth from the little horn of the Goat which is Ancient Grease and the little horn which was the smallest of the four horns yet grew into the mightiest horn (nation) out of Ancient Greece, this nation can only be Romania.

Na wah ohhhh. . . . . . . .This guys no wan rest ohhh. . . . . . . . .

5solas:
Well Mazaje, in MHO, it would be the protestants, to be precise, the reformers (Calvinists). Read articles by the reformers, find out in particular what happened, before, during and immediately after[b] the synod of dordt.[/b]

The protestants are the most polarized group in Christianity today, the division in that particular body is just too much. . . . . . . .

^^

Seconded, I want to know what Buddhism has to say about biblical characters. . . . . . .

See this deluded goon publicly and happily declaring that his God is a proud terrorist, and that his religion is NOTHING but irrational fear of baseless myths and legends. . . . . . .LWKMD. . . . . .

nopuqeater:
Malaika Jibril is Holy spirit to me (Ruuh Qudus).

So the copy cat religion of Mohamed also has a holy spirit called Malaika Jibril , eh? Hmmmm wonders shall never end ohhh. . . . . .Plagiarizing religious text is not enough for Mohammed and his deluded followers it seems. . . .

Shut up OBJ. . . . . .

[quote author=Mad_Max link=topic=492730.msg6533692#msg6533692 date=1281248643]They have different interpretations. So? Maybe everyone filters stuff, not just the bible, but everything in life, through complicated layers of thought and personal experience. It isn't only the bible people have different perspectives on, depending on who they are. It's not a crime. You aren't a Christian so what is it to you? "Why doesn't God heal amputees? He doesn't heal amputees so He doesn't exist." The World According to Mazaje. Go forth and multiply jor. [/quote]The bible is alleged to be different because the people that interpret ALWAYS allude to the holy spirit as their source of guidance, people that read other books do not la claims of understanding or interpretation to any outside influence at all, its only those that read the bible that allude to an external force. . . . .If the holy spirit is true then why all the various conflicting and contradictory interpretations? Take the YEC and the OEC movement, both sincerely believe that their own interpretations is from the holy spirit and is very right. . . . .Does this not show that the holy spirit is just another non existent construct?. . . . .Me believe that people just self project themselves as the holy spirit and give their own opinions and interpretations all the time. . . . . .

seyibrown:
@Mazaje
If you are asserting that God does not heal amputees, do you know any amputee who has come to God (with faith) to ask for his amputated limb to be restored and wasn't healed?

Yes, I repeat NO God or man of God can heal any amputee and restore his or her amputated limbs, if you know any God or Man of God that can do that then I will bring forward my amputated friend to any place of your choosing in Nigeria and lets see how successful your show of faith will go. . . .By the way I have a pastor friend who is also an amputee. . . . .Miracles and faith healing do not work, they are all fake. . . . . . . .