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Lordlexyy: Lack of knowledge of God's Word constitute the major reason why some unimformed folks mistaken God a magic man. God can't do or performed anything without an individual faith participation. God is handicap or better still powerless without our measure of faith. Faith is the link of a man to God. Faith remains the link to have God do anything. Asking God to restore the amputee without exercising his faith is ignorant.

What is this?. . .How many people have had faith and nothing has happened to them?. . .Go to the hospitals in Nigeria and see people clinging to their bibles and pastors shouting ontop of their voices praying for people only for them to day few days later. . .It is happening all the time in Nigerian hospitals. . .Pastors and prayer warriors go round praying and laying their healing hands on people who TRULY believe, many open their mouths and say words like I have been healed in Jesus name only to die few days later. . .I saw this happen a few months ago. . What are you saying?. . .This is something we see happen all the time here in Nigeria. . .But religion as it is blinds people and covers their eyes to reality. . .

Joshthefirst: tell that to the blind people I've seen healed. And the testimonies of the men who had their limbs restored.

The reason your words cannot faze me is because I've seen and tested and experienced these things myself.

Yet you stay here and claim boldly that they never happen. Lol.

I wonder if you feel threatened by these things.

provide evidence for this assertion or remain a liar forever. . .What the hell are you saying?. . .

no you see. We have seen people healed. I am putting it to you that God heals when we believe. And he even heals passive unbelievers as we believe.

You have not seen anything, you are just a liar. . .Provide the evidence to show that people's amputated limbs have been restored a simply before and after pics will do. . .

You cannot deny wrong-doing. We tell people they they are guilty of wrong and that Jesus saves. We don't insult them or demean them, we tell them the truth, their conscience and the holy spirit does the rest of the work. Speak your pretty words to the men who have cried and embraced Christ and life change, and you'll see that we need Christ is forgiveness in our world like never before.

Wrong, if recieving christ changes lives then you will expect christians to be the best of humans on earth, but that is just not true at all. . Christians are just like any other people out there, some are good some are bad like every other group of people. . . i am putting it to you that you are in no way shape or form better than any body here. . .You are just like any other atheist or muslim here. . There are some you are better than as a human being, and there are some that are better than you. . .Nigeria for example is the country with the higest number of people that profess christs and his life in their lives, but Nigerian christians are some of the worst people i have had to deal with in my life. . .I am a business man and as such i have been exposed to many people, pastors, church people etc. . .They are almost all the same. . .Very few of them stand out. . .So what change are you talking about when people embarce Jesus. I haven't seen any. . . Is it not the same bible clinging christians we deal with daily?. . .Where is this elusive light that comes with believing in Jesus?. . .Where is it?. . .

Sin is not bad behaviour.. . Sin is a mythological embellishment to bad behaviour whereby an omnipotent god gets all butt-hurt when someone thinks the wrong thing, cuts their hair wrong, a woman stands in front of men to teach or otherwise breaks one of its rules.

Besides, the jails are full of believers who still think they're going to heaven because they said the magic words and are forgiven. Some of them even committed a crime because they thought they were doing the will of their imaginary friend. . . .With this idea of sin you are projecting, you are doing nothing but hovering over all with threats, while taking the morality out of everything and replacing it with arbitrary rulings. Nothing is accomplished, unless fear is your goal. And that's nothing to brag about.

Joshthefirst: what foolish idea do you have of God then? That would come to people on their terms? No. We come to God on his terms. We must believe that the creator exists, and he rewards those that diligently seek him.

Even then, God has appeared in his mercy, and has revealed himself to people in his mercy. Some accept, some don't. God is not your houseboy.

If you want to conveniently deny his existence and his judgement so you can continue in wrongdoing, carry on. We're patient enough to wait till death to see the result of your actions, and the reward of our faith, born of knowledge.

Here is the problem with you, you always come here beating your chest but when shown how silly your assertions are you beging to cry like a puppy. . .In the bible Jesus healed even unbelievers. . .And the bible promised those that believe in him to do more wonders than he was written to have done. . .I know bible believing christians that have faith that god will heal them and it never worked, it will never work, i have a few bible believing friends that are amputees can you pray for them and ask god to restore their amputated limbs?. . .These guys truly believe. . .I am puting it to you that no matter how you believe and pray their amputated limbs will never be restored through prayers, you KNOW that VERY VERY well. . .

Why do you always hide under the pretext of man being a sinner to justify all your ignorance, prejudice, and rationalize all your wrongly held beliefs?. . .We clearly see through this nonsense game of yours. . .Sin as a concept is a one size fits all idea that can be conveniently corrupted as necessary, and also be defined as something personally humbling, if that is all you need. It excuses frightening kids and works really good as a hammer to hold over anyone else who dares cross your path. Every time you use the sin card at people expecting them to accept that they are naturally corupt and evil. . .The sin concept is a good concept to put people in line, that is why you guys love it so much and use it all the time to justify your delusions. . .Christianity wouldn't be able to exist as invented without sin. It had to be introduced early in the story, after implying that perfection would have been possible if only eve hadn't acted so impulsively. . .Saddling everyone from birth with the notion that they are the lowest form of life available because they do bad things with every breath is no way to raise a child or populate a society.

Joshthefirst: lol. See how you boldly make this claim.

Sorry, but you can also claim man has never and can never visit the moon simply because nigeria has not.

Amusing.

There is evidence of man visiting the moon,provide one single evidence of clear cut divinne healing like god healing an amputee or healing a very popular blind person. . .All the nonsense of god healed my cancer is nonsense because some cancers go into remission on their own. . .The nonsense we see like "A crippled was able to walk after many years" "or a deaf man was able to hear" in crusades are all planned and scripted. . .Real miracles like god healing real blind people or amputees never happen. . .

libero00: Then quite bluntly your mother does not love you. If she did, she would respect your beliefs. You are willing to change for her but she is not willing to change for you. Can't you see she is using the tatic of making you feel guilty by inciting fear into you because she's insecure about her religion so she needs to convert you to reassure herself of her salvation?
My advice: tell her the day you go to god, you will go to an early grave as well. Tell her not to worry her salvation is already secure.
I beg you, stick to your belief. Religion has been the cause of many wars in this world.

Much easier said, the religious are not controlled by reason, but by deep sitted fear and hate of the "other". . .No matter what they tell you, that is the reality. . .In the OT the penalty for apostasy is death. . .You are to be stonned to death for leaving the relgion or converting others to follow other gods apart fro m yahweh. . .islam is also the same. . .Religion uses fear to keep people in line. . .They will never fully accept you until you are one of them, they will only deal or do things with you, but deep inside they have this kind of pity for you. . .You can see what some of them are typing here. . . They just tag everyone as a sinner because that is the only way to get enough recruits for this silly religious game of theirs and feel happy about it. Putting everyone on auto-wrong is a requirement for them and then offering a way out of hell makes them feel they are doing you good or saving your life. . .They just go about creating imaginary problems and offering imaginary solutions. . .They saddle everyone from birth with the notion that they are the lowest form of life available because they do bad things with every breath and they need this special message written by unknown people about 2000 years ago to save them from this mythical problem they created. . .Muslims also have their own silly ideas and mythical self created problems that only belief in the nonsense written in the koran will cure. .religion is bullshit. . .

Joshthefirst: he has before, but you still won't believe. Sorry, but he's too big to be interested in your kind of man.

He said blessed are those who don't see me yet believe.

And will you not think it hypocritical that after years and years of reaching out to you and you calling his messengers deluded smokers, he'll suddenly embrace you after you see an amputee healed? No. You will still remain adamant in your rebellion, like a little child. People encounter the eternal creator everyday.


Happy new year.

How do you know that he will not believe after he sees?. . .Seeing is believing no?. . .Even the bible talks about signs that will follow the believers, it talks about believers performing wonders so that the unbelievers will see and believe. . . .Since your god's messengers have completely failed why not just heal an amputee so that he will see and believe. . .After all you guys always claim that your god is still in the divine healing business, curing cancers, AIDS, malaria, TB, healing the blind, raising people from the dead etc. ..But when asked for clear cut miracles like healing of amputees you always come up short. . .This only shows that all miracle claims are BOGUS. . .Any god that can heal the blind and restore their sight should be able to restore the amputated limbs of humans. . .Well we know that the people were never blind in the first place, pastors just pick people to act etc. . . .But they can't pick on amputees because they know they can use them to decieve people. . .All cases of divine healing are false. . .

OLAADEGBU: So with your so called "intelligence" you now think doctors can now heal amputees?

This crafty fool is here again, you know very well that i have no time for your foolishness. . .What has evolution got to do with the fact that you imaginary god can not heal amputees?. . .I have already provided a video of a guy whose amputated arms were restored by doctors. . .A guy that lost most part of his face was given a new face(face transplant). . .Baldness now has a cure, while your imaginary god can only depend on fools like you to be scaring others with the imaginary sadistic idea of hell for not believing their myths, lies and crazy ideas. . .Deluded goon. . .

Mayowakadry: If u r not OK with d Bible and it inconsistencies, then try Islam and read d Quran (with English translation), u will find out it makes more sense!- my personal opinion since am a Muslim.

You think becoming a muslim will make his mum happy? . . .

@ OP, the damage has been done but, I feel you can pretend if you can just for the sake of your family. . . .That's pretend to accept Jesus. . .

OLAADEGBU: With your "intelligence" you think God doesn't exist because "He can't heal amputees", no?

Can your god heal anything, talk more of healing amputees? Does something imaginary exist?. . .Pls continue preaching about your imaginary sadistic idea of hell and leave the doctors that are in the business of healing amputees to continue their good work. . .

manmustwac: Because Africans look to the skys whenever they have a problem while developed countries look to science & technology

Word brother word. . .How you dey brother. . .its been a while. . . .happy new year to you. . .

OLAADEGBU: If you are intelligent as you want us all to believe you would have thank God for giving man the intelligence to carry out these surgeries but an "atheist" would think otherwise.

Really, I thought god was still in the divine healing business. . .Your god is imaginary. . .Nothing is possible with him. . .The only thing possible with him is for deluded goons like you to be using the sadistic idea of hell to see if they can scare people to worship their imaginary god. . .Your god can not heal any thing or any body. . .You should be able to heal an amputee since you believe in Jesus knowing that he already promised those of you that believe in him greater abilities to perform more wonder that what was written about him. . .put your money where your mouth is and take up the challange or forever shut up. . .deluded goon. . .

Joshthefirst: yeah. Men have always been thinkers. Innovators. Happy new year in advance sir. Keep being an innovator, keep thinking.

Same to you as well sir. . .Best wishes. . .

Joshthefirst: he speaks of faith. There must be belief in God for him to heal and restore. Anyone who believes will have what he says.

Mark 11:24 For this reason I tell you: When you pray and ask for something, believe that you have received it, and you will be given whatever you ask for.

Many have tried that before and it failed and will continue to fail . .I assure you that there are many who have faith that their amputated limbs can be restored and it was never and will never be restored through prayers. . . .Prayers no matter the level of faith involved can never restore the aputated limbs of any amputee. . .

Joshthefirst: okay, but what does the scientifically proven very specific dimensions of an ark capable of withstanding waves of 100ft telll you?

It tells me that they people living at that time were capable of acheiving great feats assuming the story was true. . .The pyramid of giza has always been among the 7 wonders of the world, It is the oldest of the Seven Wonders of the Ancient World, and the only one to remain largely intact, it is thousands of years old. . .Mordern scientist still marvel on how it was constructed. . .

Tolexander: God isn't a magician!

There were breads and fishes when Jesus was feeding the multitudes.

There was water when Jesus was manufacturing wine at the wedding in cannan.

Really?. . .Is there a shortage of bones and flesh?. . .

Joshthefirst: forget about the flood then, and look at the very articulate dimensions of an ark written by a "stone-age man"

Brother learn to read before shooting blanks. . .I never used the word stone age man in this thread, you can re-read all of my posts here on the thread. . .

rationalmind: ^ ^ ^ ^But wait, are you really genuinely foolish?

This has gotten to be the worst post I have ever read on nairaland. I think there should be an opposite thread to the one on greatest posts where stewpid posts are put.

This idiot has been shown countless times stone age men can atimes naturallygenerate some kind of astute reasoning that are beyond their peers.

He foolishly quoted another boring, stupid and thoughtless epistle about noahs ark.

The pyramid of egypt remains a wonder amongst scholars on how such near perfect and mighty structure was built in the 3rd century or thereabout.

Yet, no one attributes the structure to any divine influence. What the hell makes noahs ark different? What makes it different from all the other wonders of the ancient world who no one attributes divinity to?

How stewpid does one have to get to realise this simple and obvious fact that even though there might be remarkable events in the bible, it still doesn't go outside of what stone age men could do or say?

If not that I know better, I would start doubting if at all you have a brain.

Brother pls stop allowing Joshthefirst to be peddling lies. . .The Noah's flood story remains a myth. . .It never happened, there is no scientific evidence for it and there is also no historical evidence for it. . .There is no evidence to show that the planet was destroyed completely by a flood about 6000 years ago. . .The pyramids of Giza which you alluded to where actually built around that time. . .People were living and writing their histories in places like China, Egypt, India and the Americas about 6000 years ago with out any interuption so the Noah's flood is just a plaigiarized myth from the epic of gilgamesh, that is where the Jews plaigiaried the story from. . .Christians now adays are claiming that it was a local flood because it is embarassing to claim that the entire planet was wiped out 6000 years ago leaving a drunkard and his family behind. . .

Your god can't heal amputees because he is imaginary. . .This crafty fool Oladegbuu is here displying his childish and foolish craftiness for all to see. . .deluded goons like him go about shouting miracles and and peddling bogus miraculous stories, but when asked to provide CLEAR CUT cases for miracles like god healing amputees they begin to cry. . .They go about peddling lies about god healing their cancer, raising people from the dead, making people rich etc, but when asked to provide clear cut cases of miracles they can't. . .With your god nothing is possible. . .The bible is very clear , Jesus PROMISED you guys that those of you that believe in him will performe more wonders than him. . .He said all you need is to believe and what ever you ask for in prayers will be done. . .So Oladegbuu, do you believe in Jesus, if you do then you should be able to heal amputees because jesus was said to restore the amputated ears of a soldier. . .

Humans have provided cure for baldness and have already started healing amputees. . .


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbrrXJRYjik

CNN) -- A U.S. Army infantryman who lost all four limbs in a 2009 roadside explosion in Iraq has undergone radical transplant surgery that may help him regain use of his arms.
Last month, the 26-year-old infantryman had successful surgery -- a rare double arm transplant -- at Johns Hopkins Hospital in Baltimore.

http://edition.cnn.com/2013/01/29/health/vet-arm-transplant/

Humans have already started carrying out successful face transplant. . .

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/book-chronicles-face-transplant-recipients-transformation/story?id=19543504

You imaginary god is there busy pushing deluded goons like you to go about scaring people with the sadistic idea of hell. . .With your god nothing is ever possible. . .Deluded goon. .

Image123: i alrady did, you said they are christian apologists. i'm not interested in copy and paste or reinventing the wheel as it were, the link is still there. i guess this is your new fixation.

You did no such thing. . .This is what you posted from the koran. . .

Say, "I am not something original among the messengers, nor do I know what will be done with me or with you. I only follow that which is revealed to me, and I am not but a clear warner."

This lacks details. . .It does not mention the afterlife, does not mention paradies, does not mention anything. . .He could be talking about anything. . .I do not know what will be done with me or you where?. . .On what issue?. . .

^^

Roger that. . .

okeyxyz: Finally!!! I knew you were gonna expose yourself as lacking the (proper) understanding of the scientific documents. Because if you did, you wouldn't be opposing me, you'd know that I'd merely interpreted the document to be as clear as possible, even to a non-scientist. But people like you go about insisting that one gives a presentation to reflect the jargons and verbosities in the technical document, meanwhile you don't even understand them yourself. The bible describes people like this(like you) as following the letters(jargons, literalness) of the law rather than the spirit(principles, understanding) of the law, for the letter kills(is hard, misleads) but the spirit gives life(makes clear, liberates)... Now let me break it down for you:

Every observable aspect of the known universe, ie: space, time and matter was created by the big-bang, correct?? So what does that mean? It means that before the big-bang, there was no space, no time, and no matter, There was ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!! correct?? It then follows that whatever it is that caused the big-bang, it must be spaceless, timeless and immaterial, since space, time and matter did not exist before big-bang.

Why do you keep projecting your ignorance on science?. . .That is why I asked you to provide the scientific paper that says so. . .Science is quite on the nature of the cause of the big bang. . .I have told you that many models have been put forth. . ..Some of them have posited that the multiverse theory of a cyclical universes, which says that this universe was came from another universe. . .If that is true because the theory is gaining support then where does this timeless, spaceless, immaterial hypothesis of your come from?. . .Science is silent on the cause of the big bang you just put forth your own belief which has nothing to do with science. . .

So bros, while you may have demonstrated that you'd seen the scientific document, I on the other hand has shown that I understood it so well that I'm able to break it down so that a five year old would understand it. GBAM!!! Oya! clap for me.

You have just shwon that you do not know what the science is all about. . .the multiverse theory of a cyclical universes defeasts your position, am not saying that it is true but it is one of the scientific positions out there, science is what discovered the big bang and science is what will tell you about the nature and the origin of the big bang , not religion, so FAIL!. . .

Just like in the Big-bang above, you don't understand what you talk about. You are misled(through no fault of yours). I tell you now that those people in the old testament thought they saw God but in reality they were witnessing the operations/manifestations of angels. This was so because it was the era of THE LAW, and in that era(while the law was still standing) it is impossible to see/know/understand God. I know you don't understand what I'm saying because you don't even understand the christian principle but I'm just putting it out just in case you'd want to investigate more, else I'm merely casting pearls before swine(matthew 7:6) choi!!!

It was written that Moses said saw god face to face, it was also written that god showed him his back parts, etc. . .thousands of years later here you are telling me that they didn't see god but angels. . .If you are not happy with what was written go write your own bible and stop speaking NONSENSE. . .They said they say god. . .You said they didn't , tear off those parts from your bible and go write your own. . .They said they saw god and that settles it. . .Anything else you say is your own making. . .

Again, you(and most people) are misled. The proposition that we came about through Darwinian evolution is an interpretation rather than a demonstration. There is no scientific data anywhere demonstrating this. Just like the proposition that we came about through creation is also an interpretation and the data does not demonstrate this. The scientific data simply shows evidence of relationships/similarities. Now the proponents of Darwinian evolution interpret these relationships as proof of common ancestry while people like me interpret the same data as proof of common design/designer. The raw data itself does not have an opinion, simples!! The process of Darwinian evolution has never been observed/documented anywhere, whether in the wild, in the lab or outerspace. Not one observation, yet you want to push it as scientific fact. How can it be scientific fact if it cannot be tested?? At best, it is a hypothesis, not a theory.

You may claim that you need millions of years to demonstrate Darwinian evolution. Again this is fallacy, I don't need you to demonstrate how monkeys turned to man, but what we require of you to demonstrate Darwinian evolution is to show us where this process has ever occurred in DNA which is the most basic unit of life. You don't need years to demonstrate this. Nowhere has any scientist been able to generate DNA from non-living material. Nowhere has has it ever been observed that a dog DNA has evolved into a non-dog DNA. Mind you, I'm not talking about mutation, because mutation is clearly no evolution.

I asked you a simple question and you went off tangent, the scientific explanation for how we human got here is through evolution, if christainity agrees with science they all you need to do is show how it does. . .What is all these long epistle that fails to point anything got to do with me?. . .

Joshthefirst: why would a scientific study need to be conducted to see if people are born heterosexual? Our very physiology is enough to tell us that people are born with an affinity for the opposite sex and every other position is unnatural. This is the kind of foolish question that one would ask when trying to make room for an abnormality instead of trying to correct it.

Wrong, not all people are born with that, others are born with the affinity for people of the same sex, even some animals display homosexual tendencies. . . .The scientific position is that you can not chose your sexuality. . .

Gombs: Wasn't screaming.....if I were, it would be in capital letters....I'm simply making emphasis... I wanted you to see where I want u to see...the reason why my writ made no sense to you....it was complete folly to u...the bold words shows why they are folly to u in the first place

Night bro

Your write up is just so false. . . .The west that has developed has abandoned christianity and it is still developing, claiming that we need christianity to develop is very false. . .China is the fastest developing economy in the world and their leaders are all atheist. . .The chinese communist party actually encourages its members to be without any form of religion. . .But see how they are developing china. . .Christianity is not what we need to develop. . .Everything that we need to develop must be done by us. . .No god can, has or will ever make any country to develop. . .Only humans can do that and only humans will do that. . .Goodnight brother. . .

Joshthefirst: ^^^
Nonsense. Just because people are not saying anything does not mean we're defeated. Rather, we're allowing you to glory in your ignorance.

And you totally ignored my post and the link seeing you could not refute it.

Welldone, and carry on!
More grease to your elbow!

Baba, you are still here. . .

^^

Why are you screaming?. . .Good night to you. .

Gombs: Because Africa is not poor, but Africans has a mentality of poverty... they love money so so much that it has corrupted their minds, and caused them to be wicked.... u see why we need preach the Gospel of Christ everywhere?

Democracy is a good thing, but Africa was not ready for it as at the time it came. Most of the folks in Africa then were illiterate and peasants, and the little educated ones took the whole continent for selfish and evil desires. The Electorate were massively mislead because they knew nothing about anything...and that seed of corruption n wickedness was sown, generations after took up from where their Fathers left off, till it got to a stage where evil was considered good in Africa... wars over nothing nothing, liberia, congo, Sierra Leone, guines, somalia, angola, rwanda, etc... and the rest of the world watched Africa destroy herself....but that was before the gospel was fully out as it is today...if we had the gospel of Christ then as we had today...Africa would have been greater..but the bible says "hope maketh not ashame"...Through prayers and intercession, Africa is rising and the world is watching...Nigeria is springing forth... # Glooooooooooooooooray

The glory of Africa shall be seen as the waters cover the sea

Praise God forever. Op, calm down and rather get on ur knees and pray....if u are an atheist, well...quit whinning and cause a big bang in Africa or an evolution....

Goodnight joor

rationalmind: GBAM!!!

Reminds me of how muslims also claim uncle mo said somethings no one could had known then.

The claims are always all similar. Even followers of Joseph smith say the same thing.

Tbaba once made a claim about how the koran stated that mountains have deep roots. . .He stated that there was no way Mo could have known such in his time, until when i provided a very similar verse to him from the book of Job in the bible. . .Even if he said something no one could have known, that doesnt mean it was divine because many others have also stated many other things that other did not know. . We don't know how they got their information or the type of reasearch they conducted at that time. . .Some of them studied their environment and made some conclusions. . .

Image123: hopefully, you now see why i said that they are not saved and their Mo was not assured of salvation. What you called aimless link is an online koran.

Sahih International
Or do they say, "He has invented it?" Say, "If I have invented it, you will not possess for me [the power of protection] from Allah at all. He is most knowing of that in which you are involved. Sufficient is He as Witness between me and you, and He is the Forgiving the Merciful."
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Sahih International
Say, "I am not something original among the messengers, nor do I know what will be done with me or with you. I only follow that which is revealed to me, and I am not but a clear warner."

those are Mo's words from the koran, not just some vision in some hadith.

You have failed to show me where it i written that he will not be saved. . .He says he doesn't know what will be done with him or them. . .The passage doesn't mention after life, doesn't mention anything. . .Its possible he was talking about a situation that is different from what you want me to believe. . .Where does it state in the koran that he is not sure of going into paradise?. . .SHOW ME!!

Image123: hopefully, you now see why i said that they are not saved and their Mo was not assured of salvation. What you called aimless link is an online koran.

Sahih International
Or do they say, "He has invented it?" Say, "If I have invented it, you will not possess for me [the power of protection] from Allah at all. He is most knowing of that in which you are involved. Sufficient is He as Witness between me and you, and He is the Forgiving the Merciful."
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Sahih International
Say, "I am not something original among the messengers, nor do I know what will be done with me or with you. I only follow that which is revealed to me, and I am not but a clear warner."

those are Mo's words from the koran, not just some vision in some hadith.

You have failed to show me where it i written that he will not be saved. . .He says he doesn't know what will be done with him or them. . .The passage doesn't mention after life, doesn't mention anything. . .Its possible he was talking about a situation that is different from what you want me to believe. . .Where does it state in the koran that he is not sure of going into paradise?. . .SHOW ME!!

rationalmind: Thanks for bringing out the point better. That was the same thing I pointed to him.

Even if we admit the general consensus was that earth was on something, it will be wrong to say not one person was right about the "nothing" and it will be equally wrong to say the bible writers were not exposed to that person or that line of thought.

Very true, they mingled with others, to claim they alone knew it is just false. . .For example Democritus (c. 460 – c. 370 BC) held that the earth was round, and stated that originally the universe was comprised of nothing but tiny atoms churning in chaos, until they collided together to form larger units—including the earth and everything on it. He surmised that there are many worlds, some growing, some decaying; some with no sun or moon, some with several. He held that every world has a beginning and an end, and that a world could be destroyed by collision with another world. (Wikipedia) . . Some of these guys even at that time knew things that were just extra ordinary. . .People worshipped some of them because of their knowledge and discoveries, movements were formed after them e,g Pythagoras. . .The writers of the bible knew very little about the earth and the universe compared to the ancient greek philosophers. . .That doesn't mean that the ancient greeks were inspired by their pantheon of greek gods. . .

Deep Sight: Nonsense, of course, because they could not know the moon and the stars to be the same as the earth. In reality, people of those days thought the earth to be a grounded permanent piece held up by mythical figures such as giant animals, and the stars to be floating about them. You are quite ignorant of the ideas of those days.

That is because you haven't read much about it. . .Aristarchus of Samos c.310 – c.230 BC. He presented the first known model that placed the Sun at the center of the known universe with the Earth revolving around it (see Solar system). He was influenced by Philolaus of Croton, but he identified the "central fire" with the Sun, and put the other planets in their correct order of distance around the Sun.[1] His astronomical ideas were often rejected in favor of the geocentric theories of Aristotle and Ptolemy. (Wikipedia). . .

Anaximander (c. 610 – c. 546 BC) was the first recorded person to suggest the Earth is a sphere. Erastothenes basically worked out the circumference. It was proven 1800 years later by Magellan's voyage. . . .

Some of these guys new these things b4 they were every written down in the pages of the bible. . .That doesnt mean they got their knowledge from supernatural sources. . .Some of the ideas in some parts of the world were foolish but some were also on point. . .After all the same bible if it is to be taken literally falsely states that the earth was created before the sun. . .

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