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Joshthefirst: emotional ramblings and butthurt. After all these years you still don't know how to effectively represent your position.


If I was an atheist, I'd be much better than you guys abeg. Tufiakwa.

There are many theist here and we have debated so many of them. One thing ALL atheist here will agree with me is that the quality of your arguments are just to dull and silly. . .please read the writings of people like deepsight, davidyln, anonny, pastor kun, striktlymi and compare it to the nonsense you have been writing since when you came here. Even though we disagree with them, you just have to admit that their writings make sense. . .Your NEVR make any sense. . .Read from them and learn. . .

PLEASE who here understands the NONSENSE and GIBBERISH Joshthefirst is saying?. . .As some one said if your god exist then he really needs to be ashamed of you. . .Imagine an all powerful god sending someone like Josh to make a case for him. . . .Men!!!!!. . . .Sometimes you really need to read some of the nonsense you are typing to see if it makes any sense to you. . .You are a perfect evidence to show that your god is imaginary and exist only in your mind, i fully assure, you. . No god that truly exist will send a complete failure like you to make his case for him. . .No god that exist will do that. . .

Image123: i don't believe that. That is exactly what you say and live.

You don't believe what the bible says any more?. . .I thought in the bible it says there is no other god but yahweh?. . .Who ever wrote that is a fool and what ever concept of god that was attributed to the god remains a fool and who ever believes in any god he can not provide objective evidence for remains a fool, who ever also believe what the bible says about those that do not believe in god also remains a fool. . .

Image123: Who is this Jewish god? If you're referring to Jehovah, He is the Lord and Creator of all. BTW, have atheists stopped doubting the existence of a creator or wetin be "you say". i don't know who is olodumare. i would not be surprised though if it is yet another of Jehovah's names. In that case, He created all things.

You know the Hindu goddess shiva?. . .She is the creator of everything you see go and read the verders. . . Jehovah is just a jewish and false god, there is no god except shiva because it is written in the verders. . .

Image123: How do you qualify anything as foolish and yet non-existent. Evidently, the fool has said in his heart,,, you know what the fool said.

The fool said there is no other god except me. . .you know what the fool said. . .and you as a fool believed it. . .

shinechinedu: what bothers me more is the fact that she even had the boldness to curse her child just because of church! At home u are not even allowed to watch any program except they are out! Once they are back, its Emmanuel tv! I'm already sick of it all! This woman cursed my whole life and my generations! I just can't help it though but as soon as the new year starts, I'm off and I won't be back for at least two years and that's a fact

Your mum is just misguided , fanatical and closed minded . . .She doesn't know what she is doing. . .I dislike fanatics. . ..

Mzsolex: A lot of y'all don't even know what u're saying. Somethings are not meant 2 be known and that's y dey stay mysteries!... Humans are the most rebellious set of creation on the face of earth, you think if you know a bit 'bout all these things the world would still be what it is 2day? Even the devil thinks he deserve more just with the lil opportunity he had how much more humans. And ur scientist that u so much belief in 'coz they provide proof' always have there own glitches, once they believed dat the the galaxies and stars around us are coming closer, but now after decades some have come up with proofs that infact these stars and other are moving away from our galaxy at a very alarming speed... Image looking up one nyt and not seeing any star again(4ever gone) now this is wat has been taught 2 millions of physics students decades ago. What makes you think one day another random scientist won't spring up and come and counter the law of gravity? Now they're are even saying it again a universe anymore other universe out there lol 'MULTIVERSE'. I grew up believing there's a universe even taught in physics.

What is all these puerile gibberish?. . .Devil?. . .Have you seen the devil before or are you just regurgitating one of the mythical nonsense you have been indoctrinated with?. . .Pls describe the devil to us so that we will know it when we see or come in contact with it

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LWKMD!

What we know is science , what we don't know is god. . .

[quote author=frank3.16]I stopped going to church when i found out that i get depressd after service. Sunday became a day i hate because of these so call men of god.
They spend more than two hours saying nothing that would b of benefit to me yet they are being worshipped by their silly members.
They make u feel like u are nothing working hard enough and like all ur endeavours are usless of u dont do what they say. They jst want to ensure that d members become their slaves. D craziest part is when they start talking about hell and demons like they know these things one on one.
Church does not teach on how to be a beTter person it just teaches u how to do what d pastor says and makes u stop havin a mind of ur own.
D aim of religion is to turn us all to robots[/quote]I still go to church because am a business man and my associates need to know that i am religious else they won't deal with me. but I am morally better than all of them. . .These are men that cheat on their wives(one has a kid with another woman), steal from their office ALL of the time, doing business with them is crazy because they will cut you out at the slightest opportunity. . .Morally bankrupt completely, but they just believe i must follow them to church. . . .Nigerian churches are now a stupid mess. . .Sometimes i just wonder if am the only sane man inside these churches. . .These pastors are just useless, they make people loss confidence in themselves, they just keep spewing rubbish and nonsense. . .The black man is very dull am serious. . .No wonder the nation is a cesspool. . .We don't use our brains. . .We are a failed people. . .Church this, church that yet the society keeps rotting away. . . .Idiots!

[quote author=lana_Vello]What abt universal laws of cause and effects? law of nemesis? c'mon some laws are just natural![/quote]Am talking of moral laws that all humans chose to abide by. . ..

Image123: A fallacy of hasty generalisation. Anyways, it should be because such a person finds it particularly distressing to imagine that any human would be so foolish as to doubt the existence of a Creator.

Yeah a foolish creator god that you can't prove its existence , right?. . .Hope you know that according to men are their silly superstitious beliefs there are many creator gods. . . .

This news is very false, its a hoax. . .

mahdino: Brother, right from inception the Jews have been looking down to the Arabs as children of the slave woman, the Jews treat the Arabs like dogs, they say they are from Ishmeal who's mother is a slave, so u are wrong, they have never had a good relationship. The question remains why would an Arab stand up and honour a Jew? And in the first place he was talking to his Arab congregation, why would he provoke his listeners by praising a Jewish family, if he was looking for fame since he was talking to Arabs he could simply continue to insult the Jews cause that is what his people would be glad to hear. Please don't be sentimental why and blind fold with hatered. Why would Mohammad say such a thing in the midst of Arab his people?

What are you saying my friend?. . .Is Mary the only person that was honoured in the Koran?. . .Abraham, Moses, Jesus, Issac etc where all spoken well of and honoured in the Koran so i really do not know what you are on about here. . .I have already told you why but you keep asking the same question. . .I don't want to be going round in a circle. . .The Jews dispised every one, they refer to all gentiles as dogs, not only the arabs. . .

Mzsolex: you're an 'ex-christian' right? Y don't U go back 2 ur Bible and read 'em up. Now list few among the laws that you know are made by men that guides ur being or that dictates how u must live ur life.

All the laws written in the bible were written by men, just that the writers attributed it to god. . .Nothing more, read the egyptian book of the dead, it was written long before the bible was written and contains part of the ten commandements, even the golden rule was talked about by Confucius very long before it was written down in the bible. . .All laws are made by men. . .No god makes any laws. . .Read all the religious books, koran, verders, book of the dead etc. . .Human beings wrote them all and attributed them to their various gods just to keep people in line. . .

mahdino: Please tell us why would an Arab go out of his way to honour a Jewish and her son? and we know that the Jews[b] had never have a good relationship with the Arabs[/b], so why would Mohammad (saw) talk so nice about these people, we know under normal condition there is no woman better than your mother or daugther. Please account for that. There is only one reason for Mohammad (saw) to say that, HE is commanded by God.

An arab will go out of his way to honor a jew because he wants to use their religion to form his own. . .Arabs and jews only started having problems after islam was established before then there was no porblem btw them. . .Paul and other apostles of Jesus according to the bible had to run to arabic lands(syria) to seek refuge when they were presecuted by the romans. . .Mohamed just took an already established religion and created his own out of it. . .Islam is founded purely as an oposition to the jews and christians that is why the religion demonizes them and claims that their own stories are either corrupt or incomplete. . .Mohammed was not commanded by any god in reality, he was commanded by his intention to create a new system out of an already established system. . .

okeyxyz: Yes nah!!




In your effort to exercise smugness, you display your ignorance(again, no fault of yours because that's majority thinking...). So let me address creation because I think you might be able to relate with it:

Science states it's observation that all of space, time and matter originated from the BIG BA.NG. The same science observes that whatever caused the big-bang must be outside the realms of matter, space and time.

Can you provide the scientific paper that states this?. . . When will you guys stop telling lies for Jesus?. . .

In other words: all of the universe came out of nothing. They simply refused to call it God because they cannot observe and test God. This is exactly the version of the bible: That God is unobservable in material terms, and that God created the universe out of nothing.

Where does the bible state this?. . .According to the bible god was all over the place fighting along side humans, appearing to some of them and showing them his body parts, addressing his chosen people through public speech, fighting along side them, performing magnificent miracles, even indulging with competiotion with other gods to prove himself etc. . . .Again where is it written that god is not observable in material tems in the bible?. . .Pls try and know what the science is and what it is saying. . .Stop telling lies for Jesus. . .

I could tell you about the resurrection but it'd be foolishness to you because science has not yet observed it.

I thought you said science agrees with christianity, now that you have been asked to show it you are going around chasing your long tail as always. . .

Mzsolex: and you have a proof that all rules that guides ur being was made by ur fellow men? I guess I should compile my own rules too, and you must follow it, yes?

i repeat if you know any rule that we abide by that is not man made provide it already. . .All rules are made by men. . Rhat remains the fact. . .

noetic16: why do u have to tell them that you dont believe in God? but how come your position has not changed all these time? Have you considered going for deliverance at MFM from the spirit of the anti-Christ?

I will consider it when you also consider going to the central mosque to be delivered of the spirit of anti islam. . .

Mzsolex: if a human can make a rule to kip u in check, what makes u tink a God can't make a rule to kip is creation in check. I don't have 2 point 2 anything 2 proof my point afterall u don't believe in God

Only that no god has ever made any rule anywhere. . .All rules are made by humans. . .Some attribute it to their gods while some don't but all laws are man made. . .Gods do not make laws any where. . .By the way which god are we even talking about?. . .Zeus, Allah, Khrishna, Vishnu, Pallangon, Yahweh, Baal, Palangon, which god exactly because there are many many gods. . .

But seriously, muslims need to stop this foolishness. . . .Why should any body believe the nonsense written in the koran?. . .The entire religion of islam is predicated on opposition to christianity and judism. . .Mohammed and his cronies wanted to create a religion, they chose an already establish religion(that of the jews and christians changed the stories, mixed it with their arabian way of life and called it islam. . .Nonsense!

Deep Sight: A grand and profound collection it no doubt is, and I still retain my copy amongst many other scriptures of other religions and walks of life. However it is a fact that the bible has been significantly tampered with, does not represent the whole of scripture, and is by no means strictly without error.

Do you believe that the bible contains the words of the creator of the universe?. . .What do you mean by the bible not representing the whole of scripture?. . .

Mzsolex: the day everyone becomes a cheerful freethinker is the day the world cease 2 exist, tell me, why do you think rules are made?

ALL rules are made by men so that the society will be less chaotic. . .If you know any other being that makes rules beside men then point to it so that we know you have an idea of what you are saying. . .

dareabiola98: Like a famous Scientis once said..Little knowledge of science makes one an atheist but deep knowledge makes you a believer.I'll leave you with a piece:
Going by ur belief that everything happened by chance...I hope u've heard of the Owl Butterflies,this butterflies actually have the eyes of owl drawn on their wings and it uses this to scare away its predators who are mostly afraid of owlsFrom this piece..I ask?
1.How does the butterflie in its larva...without having knowledge of the world it was coming possibly know that...there are animals that can eat it and these animals are scared of owls?
2. These butterflies never met an owl,yet they have the diagram right on their wings...perfectly
3.By your definitions of things coming about by chance..will u tell me that these butterflies drew the owl's eye on its wings.....Peace!!!

Name one atheist here on nairaland that claims things happen by chance?. . . .So the owl buterfly is your evidence that your god is real?. . .What if I say that it was created by the hindu goddess shiva?. . .How will you disprove it?. . .You are a joke my friend. . .

DEVA1: Dey don't hate. Dey are actually scared but they wanna cover it up with false bravado. Research actually shows dat wen humans av a stereotyped view on a topic, t[b]hey get irritated by pple who don't follow there belief cos they are afraid of what they don't know[/b]

Makes a lot of sense. . .

Atigba: i intend asking the same question,there is a colleague of mine who doesnt believe in God, majority of people in my office hate him for that but he is nice.He is the most truthful and sincere person i have ever come across in my life..All the religions people in my office steal government money he is the only one that believed in doing the right thing i love him for that.

Its every where here. . .

Joshthefirst: when you denied sin.

What is sin?. . .

you and your cohorts blame christian religion for nigerians backwardness and claim every wrong-doing done by a man who professes to be a christian debunks christianity, ignoring the countless people who uphold the christian faith in righteousness and integrity. Remember you are the one who brought up the reality of sin here, nopt me, you chose this drift.

Christianity is part of the problem bedevilling this country because it encourages belief in myth and supersition which is detrimental to our collective development as a nation. . . .There are many people of other faiths in Nigeria that are not christians that have done the nation well. . .The best governor in Nigeria(Fashola is not a christian) so stop talking about christianity as if it is the last hope of this nation, it is a very big problem to this nation. . .The day we decide to embrace the fact that everything we need to do must be done by us alone without the help of any god is the day we will begin to move forward. . .All the developed countries embraced that line of reasoning now see where they are. . .

human nature and its corruption.

Human nature contains both the good and they bad, we are all capable of showing and responding to love, capable of displaying and enbaracing prejudice etc. . . So i don't know why you dwell too much on this bogus theology of sin as if it means anything. . .Hope you know that according to allah the creator of the universe you are a sinner that will dwell in hell unless you believe in him and his last messenger mohammed?. . .

atheism has told us religion is our problem, when infact human nature is. You have distracted us with fantasizing about no-god and evolution, you have told us morality is subjective and supported the notion that morality hinges on personal opinion, resulting in chaos in society.

Religion like racism is part of our problem because it encourages segregation, it encourages the us vs them mentality, take a look at the world around you and at Nigeria. . .Religious crisis is and has been one of the main courses of insecurity in Nigeria. . .

the knowledge of Jesus christ saving us from sin has given men hope and inspired men to stand in integrity for good and righteousness in this nation and many other places countless times. Has enabled men to sacrifice.

Name on good thing or sacrifice that a christian has done that no atheist, muslim, hindu, taoist etc has never done. . .Just name one please

Please stop all this fanatical attacks that will do us no good except give the next generation more reason to continue in imperfection and corruptive wrongdoing.

When you stop all these fanitical post of your then I will stop. . .Why do you hide your hate and prejudice of others under the pretext of sin and wrong doing. . .Its repulsive man. . .

yemmy75: Because Nigerians hate f.o.o.lish people

So Nigerians are wise people?. . .

Islam by default is a religion that embraces seclusion, it is a religion that promotes rivalry and the us verse them mentality. . . .Islam is a political religion whose main theology is predicated on the domination of the other. . . .The religion is only for the muslim ummah. . .It has nothing to do with tolerance of the other. . .Allah dislikes the unbelievers, all unbelievers will rot on hell. . .Only muslims are special and will go to paradise. . .Non muslims are the enemies of allah and he dislikes them. . .Everything is all about the hate and dislike of the unbeliever. . .So to me islam is a very dangerous religion when practiced in full. . .Christianity is much better because it is the white man's religion as as we know the white man, he is always changing. . .See how christianity has evolved just during my life time, now in the west people are afraid to preach hell because they find it to be barbaric and sadistic. . .Nigerians even though are left behind are gradually following up. . .Though theirs is the fraudulent type that encourages people to give money to god for blessings and prosperity. . .

9 pages and mac is yet to say something sensible?. . . .I laugh in Arabic. . .

Pls why do Nigerians get angry when you tell them you do not believe in god?. . .WHY?. . .

Joshthefirst: the truth that no one is perfect and everyone does wrong including you. That basic truth is very real and grabs mens attention. The only one I see living in fantasy and speculation and magical thinking is you and your cohorts who cannot differentiate between hypocrist and honesty, who hide behind atheism and intellectualism to ignore the basic aspects of their lives and existence, hampering human development and doing harm to themselves.

When and where did I admit that I do no wrong or that I am perfect? . . . .Which hypocrisy and honesty are you talking about and how can I not differentiate btw them?. . .How do I hide behind atheism to ignore basic aspects of life, what basic aspect of life are you talking about?. . . .How has atheism done harm to humans?. . .How does it hamper human development?. . . The only tool that man uses to gain real and true knowledge of himself and his surrouding is science and science is atheistic in nature since it dwells and makes its conclusions on a naturalist world view. . .How has the knowledge of Jesus christ being god help humanity to gain any knowledge or develop as a race?. . .

Joshthefirst: See what I said? Human nature will continue to be evil, can never be reformed. All your mockery and talk will not change the fact that the accumulative wrongdoing and false thinking of what mankind does at home and in public is what results in corruption, atheism, and religious hypocrisy. The point of this thread is irrelevant against this truth. Logic is powerless against this. Science is powerless against this.

You keep talking about this elusive truth. . Which truth?. . .The truth that there is no god but allah and mohammed is his last messenger or the truth that the universe was created by the hindu gods and goddesses?. . .Which truth are you talking about?. . .