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Joshthefirst: what form of magical thinking? Or fantasizing have displayed? Sorry, but I deal in reality. And I deal with it in real life. I don't pat others on the back decieving myself about mans basic problems and heralding foolish speculations and stjupid reasoning. Thank you.

Yeah like the reality of sin responsible for everything, eh?. . . . . .

Joshthefirst: you are the one with a false pathetic and puerile reasoning of even a mild "concept" of any God.

This one is here again, why is my reasoning of god false, pathetic and puerile?. . .

So how does oneness of infinity or infinite space and time explain the creation of sexes?. . .Why do we have two sexes and why are some organisms and plant asexual. . .Why are others neuter?. . .How does oneness of infinity explain that?

wiegraf: Round and round

God may not have been responsible for this universe even, let alone humanity, but he was responsible for the human brain

Was he responsible for putting say virus DNA into humans as well? The female reproductive system, responsible for more deaths than anything else in our history? Etc etc. And do tell, he goes about haphazardly doing all these nonsense but cares not to reveal himself. His aim then, to watch the Truman show?

Maybe I should actually pay attention. Then again, bs makes me sick

I am picking up though that god is made of big grammar

Forget deepshight, he knows very well what he is doing that is why he refuses to ascribe silly attributes to his god like the christians, who claim their god is all perfect but then creates imprefect beings(angels and humans), god is an intelligent designer but created some of the human parts unintelligently, their god is all knowing but yet he gets angry and display tantrums when human beings do things in certian ways. A god that knows all things can not be suprised but their god is suprised and shows regrets etc . .He knows such a god is impossible so he goes about constructing an abstract god that can not be clearly defined. . . .

Deep Sight: I have told you what God is many times, Mazaje. I will remind you of a few of my many short descriptions:

- - - The Oneness of Infinity (remember that?)
- - - The Compound of Self-Existent Laws (remember that?)
- - - The Sum of all Infinite Time & Infinite Space (remember that?)
- - - The Infinite Mind (remember that?)

I consider your definition of god to be lacking in substance on many fronts. . .God is oneness of infinity?. . .Compound of self existent laws, sum of all time, infinite mind?. . .All these are abstract human constructs. . .How can onessness of infinity or sum of infinite time and space create or design anything?. . .Is this abstract god a being?. . .Am sorry but to me you just created your own god out of your mind. This god is completely abstract . .But lets agree to disagree. . .I will keep on following your post, you make a lot of sense sometimes, but here I just disagree. . .

OLAADEGBU: Thanks to the likes of Mary Sclessor that brought the light of Christ to the darkness in places like Nigeria.

How has the light of christ helped in developing Nigeria and made it a better place? What is this foooool saying?. . .

rationalmind: mazaje wan kill me with laugh

I truly respect deepsight as a deep thinker, he truly is. . . To be candid he has contributed to my open mindedness on many issues with some of his thoughts . . .But sometimes he just pisses me off with some of his reasoning. . .Deepsight stop it pls. . .

Deep Sight: I cannot see how any of these questions should be relevant, assuming that they could even be known.

It is very relevant, you keep shouting that some god designed the brain, you can not tell us what this god is, where it resides, how it created the brain, when it did and where it created the brain yet you keep shouting that it created the brain. . .Can you see how silly you sound?. . .If you don't know something then stop saying or claiming to know it. . .Pretending to know what you don't is the life blood of all theist and religions. . .

The quantity of "gods" and the location of their laboratory, which is what you are asking for, as well as their biological technology manuals, are neither available, nor relevant to the points at issue.

Please stop giving puerile and s.illy posers.

It is VERY relevant, that is the only way we will know which god among the very many gods and goddesses that actually created assuming it was a god or goddess that created it . . .This is the only way we will also know that it was created by a god and not as a result of natural selection over a long period of time as scientist have stated. . .It is the only way we will know that you have an idea of what you are saying. . .You just prefer some bogus philosophical sophistry so that you can keep spewing endless grammer. . .You don't want direct questions that expose your bogus claims . . .Tell us when , where and how your god created the brain so that we will know that it was not as a result of natural selection for example. . .

Deep Sight: NO SIR, IT IS YOU WHO MUST STOP THIS ID.IOTIC NONSENSE FORTHWITH!

Any person who states that the human brain, as an example of design, is an id.iotic example, urgently needs to surrender his very id.iotic version of said brain, for removal and disposal.

I said I agree with you that the human brain is designed, can you tell us when it was designed, how it was designed and where?. . .

Deep Sight: The eye is a master-piece of creation, which evinces not just the design of a creator, but the existence of a person - a being - which being is that which requires the instrumentality of the eye and the brain to perceive its environment.

That humanity or other creatures have problems with sight is no basis for your comments above, as many varying factors are at play with respect to such, as you know very well.

Plsss what is all this irritating grammer?. . . . .But seriously, what are you on about. . .STOP pointing at other things to show that your god exist. . .Just provide us with evidence of your god existing on its own already. . .How does your god exist, where does it exist, what are its attributes, how can we know that it is your god and not some other phenomena, how can we interact with it, does it interact with humans, how can it be known?. . . .Stop running round in circles, just show us that your god exist on its own period. . .I am sick and tired of all these rigmarole. . .Its always, ohhh see the stars, they are evidence for god, see the moon, its evidence for god, god loves you. . Ask how god loves humans and they start crying and chasing their long tails. . .

Deep Sight: That may be your perception, but is by no means the reality.

That is the reality my friend. . .God is your default position for i don't know. . .

When we advance the human brain as evidence of design, it is because it does in fact disclose staggering hallmarks of design which only stark illiterates would deny. The functionalities of the human brain far exceed the capacities of the most advanced super-computers, and you are well aware that the chances of its arising over time in the manner suggested by your self and evolutionists, are far poorer than a Boeing 747 being randomly formed by an explosion in a metal junk yard.

Here we go again. . . .The designed brain is not evidence for your god, it is evidence for a designed brain. . .Pls show me evidence for your god. . I thought your god exist!. . Or doesn't he exist again?. . .If your god exist can you provide evidence for it. . .All religions claim the designed brain is evidence for their various gods and goddesses. . .How can I know that your god exist as a living being and designed the brain. . .Provide evidence already and stop spewing meaningless grammer. . .I have not made any proposition on how the brain came about, the scientist have stated that natural selection over a long period is what made the human brain what it is today, their explanation far out performs your endless shout of god did it without providing any evidence at all to back it up, when , where and how did your god create the brain?. . .Pls provide evidence the way the scientist have provided theirs. . .

This is the stark reality of what the brain is: a super processor which is light years ahead of any conceivable human technology, and yet, in your laughable and most dim witted ignorance you dare sit back and state that it does not disclose evidence of design.

Designed for what?. . .

This is one of the most foo.lish things I have ever read from you or on this forum. If you do not recognize the literary significance and context of "the heart" and you choose to make the pedantic and puerile point that these "thoughts" are rather of the brain, then I see no point in wasting any bandwith setting right such grievously foo.lish and puerile complaints.

The heart was actually thought to be the center for thought and reasoning back in the days go and study about it . . . .

The existence of quaint old superstitions held by ancients is no basis for denying the existence of a Creator.

What we see is evidence for environment, where are the evidence to show that your creator exist?. . .How can i know that your god alone created the human brain and not the goddess shiva or natural selection, where is your god? where is the vidence to show that it exist and created anything?. . .What is the evidence to show that your god created and not the patheon of hindu gods and goddesses?. . .I want to know that your god exist and not a figment of your imagination. . .Pls feed me with evidence for the existence of your specific god. . .

You are quite the id.iot if any one has to school you on the frankly impossible capacities and hallmarks of your brain.

My brain is evidence that I have a brain. . .Your evidence for your god's existence pls. . .Stop pointing at the existence of other things to show that your god exist, its idiotic, show me that your god alone created the brain and that the brain was not created from heavenly clay by Krishna as believed by some hindus. . .

I have done this for you and other older posters here ad infinitum, ad nauseum. I see no basis to think that your faculties of thought have improved in any way, and as such repeating them will amount to a waste of my time.

You have done NO such thing , STOP LYING. . .Again. . .I want you to provide me and other atheist with specific objective evidence that shows that their god exist and how we can know him, feel him or experience him. . .Please I want you to provide a factual description of their god’s characteristics and abilities so that we can be sure that we(atheists) will know it when we see it, feel it, hear its voice or come in contact with it. You should try to be as specific as possible to avoid ambiguity. We need to be able to differentiate your god from other god's or other phenomena like evolution. So, for example, claiming that your god is the creator of the universe or that the universe all around is evidence for your god is not helpful in the least, because many have claimed that the universe all around us is evidence for their own god as well and that their god, gods or goddesses created the universe . . . Claiming that your god is supernatural or beyond the natural, observable universe is also not helpful. If your god is beyond the observable universe then how could you possibly have observed it to conclude that it is real? So again, please provide a factual description of your god’s specific characteristics and abilities that are objective and self evident.

rationalmind: Firstly, It won't be a poor argument because the device was designed either by humans prone to errors and mistakes or by machines prone to malfunction.

That does not apply to your programmer whom is perfect without defects and can't make mistakes.

Secondly, a defective version of the device is a product of mistake. I hope ure not trying to say your brilliant programmer, capable of designing such a magnificent organ as the brain also makes mistakes.

I don't know why deepsight FAILS to see how idiotic his examples are. . .Pls stop this nonsense deepsight!. . .

Deep Sight: You do realize what a poor argument it would be to state that a device is not programmed because you have seen defective versions of the same device?

Especially when neither you nor your neuroscientists have any other more plausible answer for that very simple poser.

Ok, we agree that the brain was programed, can you provide evidence to show how many god/gods programmed it, when, where and how?. . .

rationalmind: Programmed by who if I may ask?

I once read about a baby born with brain tumour. Was it that same thing that programmed it?

That also is so surprising, healthy parents with no brain problems, with no complications during pregnancy, produced a child with brain tumour

There is also one obvious answer, it was programmed.

I just hate this stupid line of reasoning deepsight is projecting. . . .Everything he doesn't know he just fills it with god, ask him for evidence and he starts speaking very long and irritating grammer. . .Lets take the human eyes for example. . .Your god designed the human eyes in such a way that images are formed at the back of the retina eh?. . .Hope your know that because of the way the eyes forms images, many people are naturally born with eye defect(Long/Short sightedness) because of the very poor way the eyes forms images at the back of the retina, hence many people the world over are born with natural eye defects and need correcting lenses to aid or correct that natural flaw. . .Why did your god design the eyes so poorly?. . .

What people like Deepsight keep doing is attributing anything they do not know to this imaginary god figure they have created in their minds. . . . .God is just their default position for "i don't know". . .Many years ago people did not even know that the brain is what controls all our thoughts they thought it was the heart, most of the writers of the bible for example thought it was the heart that controlled out thought simply because when we are tensed or startled our hearts begins to race and beat faster, it has even form a part of our vocabulary, we use word like i reasoned with my heart and decided not to do it, i love you with all my heart, my heart is heavy with thoughts etc. . Now we know its our brain that does this, to them earth quakes were as a result of god's anger etc. . Rainbow is the covenant btw their god and his people or the necklace of some goddess. . .Now we know that is it just a refraction of light against water droplets in the atmosphere. . .It has nothing to do with any god. . .

You were asked to provide evidence for god and you claimed that the brain as a designed organ is an evidence for your god, how idiotic an example can one bring forward?. . .The brain is evidence for the brain, what we see is evidence for the environment, god should be evidence for god, i thought you said your god EXIST?. . .If your god exist on its own then PLSSSSSSSSSS provide evidence to show that it exist on its own independently. . .We are tired of all this rigmarole. . ..Pls deepsight tell what is your god? What are his attributes?. . .I want you to provide me and other atheist with specific objective evidence that shows that their god exist and how we can know him, feel him or experience him. . .Please I want you to provide a factual description of their god’s characteristics and abilities so that we can be sure that we(atheists) will know it when we see it, feel it, hear its voice or come in contact with it. You should try to be as specific as possible to avoid ambiguity. We need to be able to differentiate your god from other god's or other phenomena like evolution. So, for example, claiming that your god is the creator of the universe or that the universe all around is evidence for your god is not helpful in the least, because many have claimed that the universe all around us is evidence for their own god as well and that their god, gods or goddesses created the universe . . . Claiming that your god is supernatural or beyond the natural, observable universe is also not helpful. If your god is beyond the observable universe then how could you possibly have observed it to conclude that it is real? So again, please provide a factual description of your god’s specific characteristics and abilities that are objective and self evident. I am waiting. . .

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Greetings Tbaba123, how have you been?. . .Hope you are good?. . .

OLAADEGBU: Again we read from the holy Scriptures:

"The fool has said in his heart, There is no God" (Psalm 14:1)

That there's no such thing as an "atheist." He is a "fool."

You haven't answered my question: Do you believe in the existence of your parents?

Again I repeat, you are a fool, your god is a fool and who ever wrote that nonsense in the bible is also a fool. . .

You, your god, whoever wrote that passage in the bible and who ever believes it are FOOOOOOOLSS. . . .You are a fool. .Your god is a fool, who ever wrote that nonsense in the bible is a fool and who ever believes it is also a fool. . Ok bring some more cartoons and threaten people with hell. . .You are a deluded fooooool. . .

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More sadism and fear mongering. . .You are a fooool. . .So you are happy to tell people that your sadistic god drowned many in a mythtical flood story, eh?. . .

LOL @ KraticKratus. . .

Ihedinobi: What, are you now being dishonest or suffering from amnesia? Weren't you claiming that the Bible didn't say anything about sin and iniquity?

The bible claims that those that do not believe in Jesus are condemned already. . .Nothing to do about sin or anything. . .A very pious muslim, taoist, indigenous religious person etc is condemned not for his iniquities but for not accepting the Jesus mythology. . .Simple, any other sophistry is your own making. . .

Ihedinobi: Of course he shouldn't go to "fundamentalist christian sites", he should go to "rational atheistic sites".

Pls read the nonsense he posted as evidence for the "great flood" on that site. . .There are christian websites like answers in genesis and many others like them that create their own science, lie, spin and do all sorts just so that the bible and its mythical narrative can be sustained. . .Many christians have gone against them not even non christians. . .There are balanced and neutral places to learn about history and what it says about the bible not some lying christian sites that are out to make some money by promoting lies. . .

Ihedinobi: Of course it's you who claimed that the Bible said nothing about sin and iniquity who are the honest one. Lololol.

Here we go again, the bible says those that do not believe in Jesus are condemned already , it does not even talk about any sin or iniquity in the particular verse i was referring to. . .Josh was trying to deny that the bible condemns and send to hell those that do not believe in Jesus and that was why I brought it up. . .My point was that for the bible it doesn't matter if you are a good person as long as you do not subscribe to the Jesus myth you are condemned already because of unbelief. . .That is my point, not the nonsense that you are trying to make out of it. . .

@ GeneralShepherd you can email me on mazaje247@yahoo.com. . .

nwuyag: I ve been watching from the sidelines.
You guys are giving ihe and josh enough space to give dishonest answers and[b] feel smart[/b].
Mr josh. Let me ask.
Does god know those going to hell before they are born?

Smart, you can not put smart and these two in the same sentence, ihe is just a dishonest person while Josh is just a deluded drone that can not think outside the normal christian platitudes. . .

Joshthefirst: there is actually. But even if there isn't, why won't you believe the historical data recorded in the bible that is backed up by archaeological facts?

Here are some historical data from a website:
http://www.neverthirsty.org/pp/corner/read/r00175.html

I have told you to stop going to christian websites that spread lies just to promote their faith. . .So far there is NO archaeological evidence any where that supports the exodus. ..Jews themselves have acknowledged that I don't even know why christians keep telling lies all the time, any way your religion is based ion a lie so you must keep telling lies to promote it. . .Christianity is big business and has always been so lies must be concocted to promote and further the lies of christianity. . .

Joshthefirst: when Jesus truly comes down in all might and power, he'll come as the all-powerful and immediately judge the people who have sinned and continually rejected and insulted the free solution to their sins.

Did he Jesus tell his disciples and his followers that he will do that during their life times?. . .That was 200 thousand years ago. . .Another nonsense talk from the bible. . .

Joshthefirst: why are you making me repeat myself? God is not just a parent as I sid before. He's also an eternal judge. And you're not a child anymore that is not responsible for your actions. You're a grown man. Judgement Is coming, hell is real. But heaven is also real. Thank God. He has saved all who trust him from hell and sin and wrath. Archaeology and history has continually proved the bible is no ordinary book.

Receive Jesus today and be free from the burdens of sin.

You are completely deluded to have uttered such. . .Hope you know that most of the events in the bible have no historical backing outside the bible?. . .Archaeology and history actually disproof the bible. . .Don't go to christian fundamentalist sites and be reading nonsense and lies by people that will do or say anything to further their faith. .

Joshthefirst: honestly if you see a child heading toward a fire won't you warn him to stop?

I tell the truth. Hell is the sober truth. It is only when people realize the penalty of their sins and feel remorse for breaking Gods law that they'll reach for the saviour: Jesus Christ.

And I don't preach a condemnation message btw, I preach a salvation message. We have been saved from condemnation and sin and hell. I zero in on the messiah

You only use the excuse of sin to rationalize your sadism. . .You have not been saved from anything. . .You need to save yourself from ancient myths, delusions and imaginations. . .Stop using human analogy when describing your nonsense. . .If you see a child walking towards a fire you will not only warn the child you will quickly run and take the child away. . Will you as a parent allow a disobedient child to burn in fire for 100 years?. . .Stop talking nonsense. . You are a sadist and a deluded one at that. . .Hell is no sober truth but the imaginations of deluded sadist like you who just use some stupid theology to make themselves feel happy about their miserable existence. . .

Joshthefirst: Bold foolishness. Until you can refute what I said, which is supported by Gods very actions in the bible, you are wasting your time.

[size=20pt]Gods omniscience does not infringe on mans freewill[/size]

God indeed knows who will end up in hell because he knows the final choices we make. I repeat, because he knows the final choices we make. We make these choices not to fulfill his own pattern that is preknown, we make this choices because they are our choices to make. It is foolish thinking to think that they're both intertwined. This is another case of you trying to evade responsibility for your actions when you realize indeed that there's a God.

God knows the final choices we make, but does he want us to go to heaven? Yes. Does he want anyone to make a choice of going to hell? No. How do we know? Because he sent Jesus to die for our sins while we were yet sinners. No one will have an excuse for choosing to continue in iniquity because Gods will is known. If God wanted to actually set everyone's destiny(thus making us programmed robots), he would set us on a straight course to heaven of course. But his will is not always done in our lives. That's right, we can choose to ignore his will for foolish reasons such as the basis of this argument. Nonsense.

This argument will land you where nnofaith landed. Cursing God for sending him to hell after foolishly puting his name on the list to hell he does not believe exists.

If you still choose to be willfully deluded after this...if you still think that you're not responsible for your choices and actions...

Later this deluded one will come here saying he isn't afraid of hell. . .Why the hell then does it keep coming out of most things you say, why use it as a bargaining chip to scare people?. . .I find it disgusting that you still believe in this sadist idea, christians in many parts of the world are already running away from this sadist idea. . . .But to you its fair game because you are already a failed human being who is not different from the muslim terrorist. . .The only difference is that you believe people deserve to suffer in the after life while the muslism terrorist believes their need to suffer immediately. . .

Ihedinobi: Are you serious, Mazaje? Should I go find all the places the Scriptures say that we are condemned for oue sins? "The wages of sin is death". "Through one man's sin, death passed upon all." "We shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ and receive the due for the things done in our body." There's a lot more, Mazaje. You want where the Bible says somethong about sin and iniquity?

It's clear. You don't die from refusing to believe that chemotherapy can save you from the death thay the cancer in your body is certainly bringing about, you die from the cancer. We are already condemned to death for our sin. If we believe in Jesus, we are saved from the sin for which we are condemned and therefore from the death that it would have certainly brought. If we don't believe, we're still guilty and stand condemned for it.

What are you on about?. . .A very pious muslim, buddist etc and a very good and humane atheist all perish for not accepting the Jesus story according to the theology you subscribe to. . .So what exactly are you on about?. . .

The problem is that they have already dug themselves up in a big hole, people like Ihe and Josh are very dishonest people that will use what ever trick there is to fiurther their belief in mythology. . .Honest christian philosophers like Gary Habermers and James Clerk have acknowledge this problem. . .Sophist and liars will continue to dance around claiming ignorance. . .The concept that god is omniscient is a man made concept and attribute to give god more power, those that formulated that attribute didn't think it through very well. . .The bible says god know the beginning and the end so how those free will come into play here?. . .He already knows the beginning and the end so what ever you do he knows. . .

The problem is that christians define their god and give him impossible or contradictory attributes like a married bachelor. ..How can one be married and yet be a bachelor at the same time. . .An omniscient god that acts the way the bible god does is impossible. . .

Joshthefirst: as usual, you keep repeating the same nonsense. How many times will it be drummed into your thick skull that people go to hell for commiting iniquity. You keep repeating this idiotic statement and calling others fools. Smh.

What are you talking about. . .The bible clearly says that those that do not believe in Jesus are condemned already. . .It does not even talk about sin or iniquity. . .It just says those who believe not are condemned already. . .

Mr Troll: He has to believe it na. why else will they preach it?


the cartoons though...

Of course, he is a crazy and deluded sadist that uses some stupid belief to hide his sadism. . .He believe that majority of the world population which number in billions will spend eternity in hell for not believing in some delusional folklore. . .Why he and his crazy demented church memebers will go to heaven and enjoy because they accepted the right mythology and interpretation of the mythology. . .What a foool. . .I dislike this foool Olagdegbuu because he even uses hell to threaten his fellow christians that do not agree with his own interpretation of the bible. . .