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Typical response of a deluded goon that has been indoctrinated with ancient myth. . this deluded goon believes he is "saved" while others are headed for destruction for not believing in some ancient folklore. . .You are crazy. .

italo: How have we progressed?

We have phones and devices that can connect Lagos to Sydney; but we are increasingly distant from those right under our noses (even our Children)

We have made great technological advancement yet we've used some of them to turn the last century into the most bloody in the history of the world. (World wars 1&2)

The irresponsible abuse of our planet has caused global warming and the massive climate change is a major cause of the typhoon we've just seen in Philippines among others.

Where is the progress? It seems like you're the joker.

Study history my friend. . .People were so violent that they used to build walls around their cities. . . .If any body ventures outside the walls the person is toast. . .

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424053111904106704576583203589408180

We have found cure to many diseases, 2000 years ago the average life expectancy world wide was like 35 years old. . Now in some places it is as high as 80. . .Blacks and whites now leave together so much so that a black man is now the president of the most powerful nation on earth which happens to be a white majority nation. . .600 years ago blacks were only slaves to whites. . .We as a race have really progressed, we are not as violent as we used to be and we are now more tolerant of each other. . .Read the nonsense violence in the old testament, during that time you can just invade a country kill them all and claim your god told you to do that. . .No one can try it now. . .

Joshthefirst: have you taken earths rapidly decaying magnetic field into account?(Forgive me muskeeto)

Edit: Who told you scientific dating of the earth says its 4 billion years old? Smh.
Only speculation says the earth is 4 billion years old.

All. Wait, I mean All the confusion of origins and the questions that stupid evolution raises are answered when you look at things from the young earth model and view recorded in the bible.

Stop bandying discredited pseudo scientific jargon you red from young earth creationist websites. . .Scientist have dated the earth and it is about 4 billion years old. . .Which scientific dating method shows that the earth is 6000 years old and where can that be found. . .Young earth model, who takes those ridiculous goons seriously?. . .Even scientist that are christians laugh and mock them for being foolish. . .

Joshthefirst: bring your facts and let's talk hard evidence and see who's indoctrinated about evolution and the age of the earth and human behaviour and civilization.

It is only weak christians who listened to false information that tried to bring down the authority of Gods word and started trying to merge it with false scientific facts, ending up confused.

The scientific dating of the earth says it is 4 billion years old. . .We have paintings in caves that date back to over 30,000 years. . .Even some of the ancient monuments in Egypt have been dated by scientist and they date back to 10,000 years ago. . .What are your scientific dating methods that show that the earth is 6000 years old?. . .

This topic is very misleading. . .The subjects of this study were people with some form of mental depression and disorder not just normal people a caveat the OP did not underscore. . .

OLAADEGBU: An atheist wrote: "Strong circumstantial evidence that there is no god. Number of god's creations who died horrible deaths from the following diseases: (or did they all die as martyrs?)

1. 300,000,000 approx. Smallpox
2. 200,000,000? Measles
3. 100,000,000 approx. Black Death
4. 80,000,000-250,000,000 Malaria
5. 50,000,000-100,000,000 Spanish Flu
6. 40,000,000-100,000,000 Plague of Justinian
7. 40,000,000-100,000,000 Tuberculosis
8. 30,000,000[13] AIDS pandemic
9. 12,000,000 ? Third Pandemic of Bubonic Plague
10. 5,000,000 Antonine Plague
11. 4,000,000 Asian Flu
12. 250,000 or more annually Seasonal influenza."

The number of people who are now living that will eventually die. Every one of the seven billion. That's more than strong circumstantial evidence that God means what He says is His Word: "The souls that sins, it shall die," "It is appointed to man once to die. After this, the Judgment." Pain, suffering, disease and death are stark proofs that the Bible is the Word of God when it says we live in a "fallen" creation. - Ray.

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"Why would a perfect God make a Hell in the first place? Why are His creations imperfect unless He deliberately made them so? Why make rules that are pretty much impossible to live up to then punish the creations for being simply the way they were 'created'? If there is a God [He] is not the loving creator that most christians say they believe in, it is at best a tinkerer, a trickster and a child who breaks his toys when he does not get his own way." Patricia Bentley-Ivens

If a dying patient turns off his own oxygen hose he shouldn't complain that he can't breathe. The Book of Genesis tells us that God made everything "very good" in the beginning, but sin brought about suffering, pain, disease and death in what is called a "fallen Creation." But the dying atheist denies that Genesis chapter one is true (that we live in a "fallen creation" because of sin), and so he bitterly complains about God allowing suffering, pain, disease and death. Hell is God's prison for guilty criminals. Calling Him childish names will not save you from His Justice, but repentance and faith in Jesus will. See www.needGod.com

What is this block headed foool saying?. . . .I am tired of your foolishness and crazy talk . . .You live in a fallen creation eh?. . .Good for you. . .

Joshthefirst: the age of the earth can be calculated from the bible.

We don't need God to tell us.

And God as I said, is not your houseboy. The only sign that'll be given to an unbeliever asking for a sign is the sign of jonah(try to understand what the sign of jonah is)

It can't. . .Some christians who claim access to the holy spirit and god say it is not true, why are they wrong and what did your god tell you. . .Scientist and history with verifiable evidence have shown that the earth is NOT 6000 years old. . .Why should we believe you?. . .I want you to tell your god to tell you the age of the earth, so your god is your own house boys that he leads you and talks to you, eh?. . .I laugh in greek. . .

Joshthefirst: Matthew 12:38 Then certain of the scribes and of the Pharisees answered, saying, Master, we would see a sign from thee. 39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas: 40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. 41 The men of Nineveh shall rise in judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: because they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here.

I am not looking for a sign but knowledge. . .This issue is dividing many christians, can you tell us since you claim to speak to your god?. . .

Joshthefirst:

Then why are you asking me when you already know the true answer?

You're asking for a sign. God does not give unbelieving people signs.

You have been lying as usual. . .You do not even know your bible, is it not the bible that says that unbelievers will see and believe when talking about signs?. . .What are you talking about?. . .Tell your god to tell you how many years ago he created the universe. . .I don't know but if your god can tell you and it is reasonable then I will believe. . .I am waiting. . .

Joshthefirst: if I show you how you're misinterpreting those scriptures and tell you what Jesus meant, will you stop bringing up silly excuses to justify yourself?

You will show me or dance around the issue. . There is nothing to show there. . .

Joshthefirst: why would I tell you when you wouldn't believe me?

I can and will believe you as long as its true. . .

Joshthefirst: Education in nigeria is really bad because of deplorable infrastructure and lack of motivation and resources for meaningful research, among other things like good teachers and lecturers.

The people are intelligent though. They just do not have oppourtunity to develop, and they are sometimes limited by their thinking.

But this should not stop anyone from developing himself. There are very many resources for personal development all around us(like the internet).
People should not limit themselves.

Things are changing shaa. I believe the end of the current strike will signal a new dawn in the education sector of this country.

Although most pals are pessimistic and hate this, I try to get people motivated for change and personal development everywhere I find myself in nigeria.

They need to learn to think outside the box of challenges and trust God to give them resources to implement innovation.

Why are you running away from my question, you claim god tells you what to read from the bible and he talk to you bla bla bla. can you ask him to tell you when exactly he created the universe?. . .

Joshthefirst: as usual, giving your own interpretation to scriptures.

Nope. . .Its very clear. . .

Jesus told the high priest (Caiphas) that he would live to see his second coming.

"But I tell you: From now on you will see 'the Son of Man seated at the right hand of the Power' and 'coming on the clouds of heaven.'" (Matthew 26:64 )

Then Jesus answered, "I am; and 'you will see the Son of Man seated at the right hand of the Power and coming with the clouds of heaven.'" (Mark 14:62 )

Jesus told his disciples that the second coming will occur before the disciples finish preaching in Israel. . . .

"When they persecute you in one town, flee to another. Amen, I say to you, you will not finish the towns of Israel before the Son of Man comes." (Matthew 10:23)

"There will be signs in the sun, the moon, and the stars, and on earth nations will be in dismay, perplexed by the roaring of the sea and the waves. People will die of fright in anticipation of what is coming upon the world, for the powers of the heavens will be shaken. And then they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. But when these signs begin to happen, stand erect and raise your heads because your redemption is at hand." He taught them a lesson. "Consider the fig tree and all the other trees. When their buds burst open, you see for yourselves and know that summer is now near; in the same way, when you see these things happening, know that the kingdom of God is near. Amen, I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things have taken place. Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will not pass away. (Luke 21:25-33)

Joshthefirst: so jesus' prophecies came to pass. Thank you for refusing to find a way or an excuse to deny it.
Jesus prophesied this.

Jesus also told his disciples that he will return during their life time, he also told the high priest that he will see him return during his life time. . .All false. . .

Joshthefirst: this isn't true. Natural disasters have increased in frequency.

They have increased but they have always been there long before the time of Jesus. . .

Joshthefirst: I only repeat the same answers because you repeat the same questions.

For the benefit of honestly interested fellows, I'll post scriptures and an answer.

Jesus gave a historical account of these things. He said they're signs the world is coming to an end(signs that'll usher in the end of the age)

Matthew 24:7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places. 8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.

This shows one of the realities of the divinity of the God given scriptures. Scriptures are coming to pass. Many have come to pass. Many are happening before our very eyes.

Sin has ravaged this world. And judgement is coming. A revival is about to happen, the gospel is being preached with vigour. These things should not make men doubt God, but should all the more drive men to his refuge and strength. This world is not our own, we look forward to a new heaven and earth where righteousness reigns.

When we preach repent we do not joke. 10,000 people have died. Who knows when you'll die? When we die, we stand before almighty God. Look at the prophecies of judgements upon earth in revelation because of mans sin. This massive disasters are just a sign of what is to come. At a point, the bible says in revelation that although men saw judgement as divine, they refused to repent of their sins and continued to attract more of Gods wrath.

What has happened is just the beginning. Are you insured against the wrath to come? Do you feel remorse for sins you've committed? Or do you rebel all the more and continue in sin?

Now more than ever, the message is required for those who will listen. Would you use this as an excuse to ignore God and prove unrepentant?
Do you continue stealing and adultering and hating and lying and continue in greed and continue to enjoy sin thinking there will be no repercussions? You caress and lust and curse God?

repent. Repent! The kingdom of God is at hand. Jesus meant every word he said. He's coming to judge the living and the dead

Let this happenings not move you to curse God, let them sober you up to the prophesies of Gods word. This world must be judged, let us escape together to a new one in the boat of christ Jesus. People die because of sin. Repent and embrace christ for the washing away of sin and for citizenship of the new world to come.

I do not wish to argue. This is for the benefit of those who honestly want real answers.

Trust in Christ and be saved from the wrath to come. This is not just about fear. Its about you responding to the love and mercy of God.

Stop talking nonsense. . .Natural disasters have been a part of this planet since inception. . .We now get to hear about natural disasters that happen all over the world because of technology. . .During the time of Jesus christ such news would not have been heard at all all over the world. . .If you know anything about the planet you will know that natural disasters are an integral part of the planet and have been in occurrence since inception . Natural disasters have nothing to do with god and they have nothing to do with sin and they also have nothing to do with the end of the planet. . .An asteroid can hit the planet and end all life today, it has nothing to do with your imaginary god's judgement. . .

OLAADEGBU: "Ten thousand dead in the Philippines is proof that there's no God!" says the skeptic. No. Rather, the terrible tragedy is proof that the "Fall" of Genesis is true. Every day more than 150,000 people die, and every single death substantiates the truth of the Scriptures--that man is in rebellion to God.

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God loves humans, wants to be in a relationshp with them yet all he can do is kill 150,000 of them daily?. . . .

Someone recently said that he and his wife watched a movie that made no sense. It was only when it ended that they discovered they had only watched the second disc. They missed the entire first half of the movie, and so it suddenly made sense as to why the movie made no sense.

Disregard "In the beginning," and nothing in this life will make sense. Ignore "Let there be light" and you will be left in the darkness about your origins and the reality of suffering and death.

For further details watch www.evolutionVsGod.com

Your god is perfect but he created an imperfect system filled with death and destruction, eh?. . .I am putting it to you that you are much better than your imaginary god because if you have the ability to stop the storm that raged the Philippines, you would have stopped it. . .All these silly excuse to protec your imaginary god is pathetic. . .

nnofaith: The information you are seeking is classified. Yahweh could tell him, but he would have to kill him.

Joshthefirst: Quit your whining and come and look at this thread by Kay17 and give us your opinion:

https://www.nairaland.com/1506143/possibility-natural-intelligence


You just refuse to accept the spiritual.

I am not whining, you keep making BASELESS claims that are NEVER true. . .You claim you speak to your god and your god speaks back. He even directs you most of the time. ..My question is tell your god to tell you exactly when he created the universe. . .Failure to do so ,means you have been lying all the time. . .

Who needs such useless prayers?. . .Have you finished praying for the body of christ?. . .We have over 33 thousand sect in christianity each with their different doctrine, beliefs, and idea of what the christian god is, most do not even agree with each other and threanten each other with hell, pray for the body of Jesus to become one first before wasting your time denying your self food and praying to an imaginary god that can not and will not do anything. . .By the way why does your god only like foools and dislike the wise?. . . . .

Joshthefirst: no that's not what I meant sir. I meant I read by topic like tex said.

Once I finish a study, God directs me to a new one.

I am tired of all these meaningless talk and platitudes you keep spewing that have no value at all. . .Tell god to tell you when exactly he created the universe so that we will know the true age of the universe and end a big crisis within the christian circle. . .

rationalmind: I see many of those things n I just shake my head at the damage religion has done to peoples brain. If God can't protect philippine, how will he protect Nigeria. What the hell is special about Nigeria?

God is always responsible for the intelligence in the universe. Disasters, we humans are responsible. These folks can't simply see all these things have absolutely nothing to do with God.

Just see how people are making frantic efforts to save each other from the disaster in Philippines. . .No god is anywhere close, yet people will be thanking god in far away Nigeria for sparing them. . .How the religious mind operates still baffles me a lot. . .

rationalmind: Its all their fault, It had absolutely nothing to do with God. God is forever merciful and loving.

Some one on face book is already thanking god that Nigeria is not Philippines. . .She is praying that god should protect naija from natural disasters. . .These people are just crazy. . .

Mr Troll: Yes. I have friends telling me that i read too much. That those things i read will confuse me the more, afterall they were written by humans These are university students and sometimes university graduates. There is no original thought anywhere on the streets of Nigeria. Superstition has killed us. . .

The humans wrote down formulas and equations that propell jet engines and can take them from England to Nigeria in few hours, chemical equations that can cure them of diseases, appliances and gadgets that can make them see live events happening in other parts of the world, better ways to cultivate food and preserve them etc. . .Are all the useless religious books not written by humans?. . .How has the bible better the lives of Nigerians in any way?. . .I can list 3 ways where my physics, biology and chemistry text books have improved the life of Nigerians, pls can any christian or muslims tell me 3 ways how the bible or the koran has improved on the life of Nigerians as a whole?. . ..

feb242: This is a human rights violation. False accusations of witchcraft are soon going to bring international condemnation and sanctions on Nigeria if the government doesn't begin to hold these superstitious criminals accountable for libel, slander & defamation of character. If I was a lawyer in Nigeria, I would team up with an international NGO like UNICEF or Amnesty International. Stepping Stones Nigeria is already taking up the cause of protecting victims of these terrible accusations. Nigerians need to unite & demand their elected officials condemn this foolish belief as not only a national embarrassment, but an illegal form of defamation of character. People who promote witchcraft accusations should be subject to lawsuits & criminal charges.

Those in authority also share the same superstitious belief in witches and wizards. . .So its just a hopeless case. . .Is this not the same woman whose brothers were unjustly killed recently?. . .Now she wants to go around killing the kids of other ignorant and foolish people using the "word of god". . . .

Joshthefirst: That's how it is with God.
People these days even venture into lawlessness all the more, insulting this sacrifice and insulting the judge himself. He is patient, but justice will come still.

Romans 2:4 Or perhaps you despise his great kindness, tolerance, and patience. Surely you know that God is kind, because he is trying to lead you to repent. 5 But you have a hard and stubborn heart, and so you are making your own punishment even greater on the Day when God's anger and righteous judgments will be revealed. 6 For God will reward each of us according to what we have done.

You are a failed fear monger. . .

Mr Troll: @Tex, you dare not suggest that religion should not be taught in school here in Nigeria. It will be war! We already have private church owned universities here where the church is being forced on you regardless of your belief.

Also the teachers and lecturers cannot even leave their personal bias out of their teachings. Imagine where a pharmacology lecturer in the university finds it difficult to teach about female contraception! I mean, a doctorate degree holder lecturing 3rd yr students yet refuses to give full info and instead turns it into a preaching session of the dangers of premarital sex. I tire o! I swear.

You think he really cares about the pharmacy he is teaching. . .The same man will even advise you to go to prayer houses or tell you that it is only pastors that can heal you when people come to him seeking medical advise. . .Go to the hospitals in Nigeria and see, pastors go around praying and shouting in the hospitals and many doctors even encourage them, yet the people that are being prayed upon keep dying like flies . . .I will keep saying it, all the gods that Nigerians worship need to be arrested for dereliction of duty. . .People keep trusting these gods and the keep faling them ALL of the time, yet people never want to learn, any way we are just hopelessly blind in this country. . .

Mr Troll: This is what annoys me most about debating or discussing with an average Nigerian. Do you guys listen to 'hard facts' on NigeriaInfo radio? You will weep at the mentality of some of the callers. The way some graduates and acclaimed Masters degree holders reason eh? Smh

People find it extremely hard to reason outside the lines of My Pastor said or The bible said, and they will all clamour for laws to be made based on biblical principles!

They know no reality outside their religious beliefs. . .Everything is ethno-religious. . .I know MANY Nigerian "engineers" that happily say that the white man used his own juju in inventing most of the machines and appliances(Mobile phones, cars, airplanes, computer, TV etc) we use to make our lives easier. . .How can you ever learn with such a crazy mindset?. . .People are happy to be ignorant and foooolish, in fact we glorify ignorance and foooolishess in Africa. . .

aManFromMars: Can this change? Yeah, it's possible. But one has to break the shackles on the mind first. People should learn to consider opinions and dismiss them based on rational thinking and facts, rather that 'my pastor or the Bible' said.

Most Nigerians reason along that line. . .Everything is about what the bible, koran, pastor or imam says. . .Nothing is ever about what they feel or reason. . .

Joshthefirst: this isn't true. The way you speak shows that a case can never be different. Actually, I was born into a christian family, yes. But I was in the throes of religion when God found me. My faith is not based on the society or family, my faith is based on a personal relationship with God

The fact that you were born into a christian family and taken to sunday school to get indoctrinated with the christian stories and tradition is everything. . .If you were born into a muslim family in Sokoto you won't be here talking about Jesus but Mohammed and Allah. . .

It was when I found God that I found reality. I was confused and might have become an atheist like you, but God found me before I started making wrong conclusions about life.
It was a case of a religious young boy realizing that he couldn't fulfil the standards of the God. Ruled by anger and sinful passions. Beginning to be hardened.

You have never found any god any where, you are just here parroting and regurgitating the christian doctrine and mantra. Are muslims ruled by anger and sinful passions?. . .What about hindus, taoist and buddist?. . .You don't know what you are talking about. . .

Until God showed up. My case is not of indoctrination. I am able, like john, to speak of what I have seen and heard.

Your case is that of dangerous indoctrination, you can't even see beyond your nose. . .Who the hell is John?. . .If you were born into a muslim family and indoctrinated with the islamic tradition you will be calling Mohammed and other prophets of Allah not John. . .

When I met God, he changed my life. The bible opened to me. I wasn't ruled by fear of hell anymore. But love of God. I finally had my questions answered. That's why I know that there is a difference between blind, self-righteous and fear filled religion, and a personal relationship with God. God changes man. God is alive. The millions of people in nigeria who profess God do not know him, but deny him in their works. If they knew God, nigeria would be a place of peace, and tranquility.

You are not ruled by fear of hell but you keep using hell to threaten people who do not subscribe to your delusions, eh?. . .Stop regurgitation your delusions to me. . .You have a personal relationship with god, eh?. . .So only you know god, and many others do not know him eh?. . .You are completely deluded my friend. . .

I study scripture under the guidance of the holy spirit and understand it. I walk in it. It reflects in real life.

So don't make hasty conclusions next time.

Has the holy spirit told you when exactly the bible god created the universe?. . .Pls ask the holy spirit to tell you when exactly the universe was created and how exactly it was created. . .Tell me what ever the holy spirit tells you. . .Cos christians are all over the map on that issue. . .

Joshthefirst: he forfeited his power and heaven for the greater good of bringing man to God, reunited in himself.

And why is man not reunited with him?

texanomaly: As for Josh, I believe he has studied the bible for himself, with real intent, and he has made his own assessment. I believe he has developed a testimony on his own. In spite of, his upbringing. I believe he IS smart enough to NOT allow societal bias to color his study, and understanding of scripture.

You are very wrong, Josh has never studied the scripture on his OWN. . .He was indoctrinated since when he was a kids and grew up accepting and believing everything written in the bible, regardless of what was written. . . .If he was born a catholic and indoctrinated with the catholic doctrine he would have been here spewing it telling other christians that belong to other sects how wrong they are. . .If he was born into the JW sect he will do same, if he was born into a muslims family he will be here telling you how Jesus was just a prophet and never the son of god, he will be praising allah and revering Mohammed. . .Societal bias is EVERYTHING when it comes to religion. . .Where you are born is what determines your religious belief or the religious belief you will convert to when you leave your religion. . .People in Nigeria never convert to Hinduism because there are no hindus around, but the are mostly born into the christian or muslim religion and the few that chose to convert to another religion convert to the ones around them. . .