₦airaland Forum

italo: The things that you call "love," "joy," "fulfillment" are only imperfect and temporary. Humans naturally long for these things but unfortunately many dont know that only in God do we find true, perfect and lasting love, joy and peace. Without God, we continue to seek without finding which invariably brings dissatisfaction, emptiness and bitterness.

The evil one is also a factor. When we reject God, the devil takes over even though we might not know it. Where the evil one reigns, lawlessness and bitterness is the order of the day but he cleverly sells it to us an "fun."

Purist: A few weeks back, my mom called from Nigeria, and in her usual fashion, asked whether I had eventually "found a church" (she's been asking this same question for the past 3 years now). As usual, my response was 'No'. Usually, she would just sigh and encourage me to keep reading my bible and pray fervently. However, this time, she was genuinely worried. She then asked, "Are there really no churches there? Or is it a Muslim country?"

In her mind, it's either Christianity or Islam. I'm 100% sure she has never heard the word "atheist" in her entire almost 6 decades of existence.

italo: No it didnt get to me because I felt he didnt understand how I was making a mockery of your statement.

And even if his words got to me, what would be the importance or implication of that?

Please grow up.

9jadelta: this guy is irredeemably daft, God!!

italo: Whatever is daft in that post was said or implied by mazaje, not me.

So if you think he is "irredeemably daft," I dont know...but I can only urge you to be a little polite to him.

He is still a human being with dignity.

italo: I thought you were sorry for lying that the Catholic Church was against evolution but you have instead come back with 100 more lies. I will not even glorify them by responding to them individually.

All I is that you believe many things without evidence and you are yet to show evidence of any of your claims.

We are all people of faith afterall.

Uyi Iredia: Have you studied ID and creationism as well ? And what conjectjures and suppositions do you see in evolution ?

italo: You have already admitted that Atheists believe macro-evolution without convincing evidence.

And YOU believe what you read in science journals without evidence.

What then is your problem?

Evil Brain: There's no real difference between macro-evolution and micro-evolution. They are both the same continuous process. macro-evolution is just micro-evolution zoomed out (in the sense of time) so that the changes are more obvious.

Have a look at the Archaeopteryx and look at the similarities with both modern birds and dinosaurs, then come back and tell me you don't believe in evolution.

italo: Yea right. Like the world is the evidence that God created it.

How do you prove that beer is made by brewing?

The beer is the evidence.

Of course I'm not that daft. You are the one making puerile statements.

Auto-repeat again?

Jesus wasnt with matches and petrol when he said he'll set fire to the earth.

When Genesis said Adam and Eve would die the day they ate the fruit, it didnt mean they would lose their earthly life.

Even baboons know that.

italo: That you have not seen something is NEVER proof that it doesnt exist.

I believe thinking humans can agree on that point.

italo: If you do not know something and/or its attributes...it is daft to assert that it doesnt exist. Insisting that God doesnt exist without even knowing his attributes or being able to prove it is madness. No?

italo: But sha you have no evidence that scientists use micro evolution to make anything. You just believe what they wrote abi...

Olodo...the Bible is not a science textbook. When Jesus said he came to set fire to the earth, he wasnt with matches and petrol. Block head.

You already lied that the Catholic Church was against evolution...and you cannot prove that...now you ask what you are to do with the Churches position. Be truthful with it. Period.

italo: It is the same europeans that wrote it in a science journal that micro evolution is used in making drugs and vaccines and you believe with ever witnessing it yourself.

It is the same europeans that told you that genesis was written in a literal sense and you believe without being there when it was written.

Since you are on auto-repeat, lets go.

Stop exposing your ignorance. Obviously you dont know that a Catholic priest Jean-Baptist Lamarck prefigured evolution long before Darwin ever dreamt of it.1. Official Catholic teaching has never been against evolution. It is only against the Atheistic interpretation of evolution.2. Official Catholic teaching has expressly defined the role of evolution in creation. So it allows individual Catholics (including popes) to believe what they want.I challenge to show me something contrary to what I have said.

italo: Where is the evidence for your claim that God doesnt exist? Simple.

italo: How do you know it was written in a literal sense?

Do you have observable evidence of that or were you present then.

My friend. You and the Atheists that believe in macro evolution just believe things without evidence, dont you?

italo: I am a wine maker. I say I make wine. You say it is untrue, that science has discovered that during fermentation, yeasts interact with sugars in the grape juice to create ethanol, commonly known as ethyl alcohol, and carbon dioxide (as a by-product), giving us the alcoholic beverage.

My dear, either the winemaker is non-existent or your brain is.

Stop exposing your ignorance.

Obviously you dont know that a Catholic priest Jean-Baptist Lamarck prefigured evolution long before Darwin ever dreamt of it.

1. Official Catholic teaching has never been against evolution. It is only against the Atheistic interpretation of evolution.

2. Official Catholic teaching has expressly defined the role of evolution in creation. So it allows individual Catholics (including popes) to believe what they want.

I challenge to show me something contrary to what I have said.

italo: Are you a chemist....or into pharmaceuticals?

How do you know it is the principle used in creation of drugs and vaccines?

You read it somewhere?

italo: You never read anything and believed without witnessing the event?

Everything you know, you witnessed?

italo: The Catholic Church created the Bible and is the sole earthly authority to explain it, not mazaje.

My religion teaches me that God created the world and everything in it. My religion doesnt tell me the scientific method that God used to create it (we believe it could be evolution, we dont care much). The Bible is not a science textbook...and only a slowpoke would expect it to give scientific details of everything.

Even in our day to day communication, we dont always use literal language.

It is not evolution that made man...evolution is only a decription of how man physically came to be. We are saying, if evolution is true, God caused it to happen.

Chibuebem: false mythology? You mean reality. Rebellion against God. Man choosing to be deceived into fighting the almighty

Chibuebem: very nice. Its Rebellion btw. Just incase you didn't know. The bible foretold it shaa. We're not surprised.

italo: Well, my religion has nothing against evolution theory. It is only against the atheistic interpretation of it.

italo: If the evidence for evolution is unconvincing, it means that there is a probabilty that evolution is false.

It then means that Atheists (at least some of them) assert something as 100% certain when, in fact, it is possibly false.

F00028: ah! those magic gallup numbers.

China: looking at the small print we discover that Gallup’s figures for China’s 1.35 Billion people rely upon an online Internet survey of only 500 Chinese people! Since almost half of those surveyed identified themselves as “atheist,” Gallup concludes that globally “China has the largest population of atheists (47%).”

can an on-line survey be representative of China’s population where less than 40% have internet access? What about the 50% of China’s people living in rural areas, mostly without Internet access?

http://churchintoronto..com/2012/08/global-atheism-on-rise-really.html?m=1

F00028: can you substantiate these claims please?

p.s hope you are not basing your claims strictly on your observations on nairaland because logicboy alone has 2,000 alternate i.ds

italo: Why are you shamelessly dodging my question? You are ashamed that the inconsistencies and inadequacies of yours/Atheism are being glaringly exposed, arent you?

I will repeat.

"But that is besides the point that I'm making. The fact that many Atheists believe evolution and you dont shows that there is no evidence for evolution. Yes or no? If there was evidence for it, you would believe it. So you must accept that Atheists (at least some of them) believe in evolution without evidence."

YES or NO?

italo: The Catholic Church does not have a definitive position on the evolution theory. It allows for individual Catholics to believe or disbelieve it. It only teaches that if it is true, it was guided by God.

Yes, I agree with the Cardinal that the Genesis story is a myth. Only, the Cardinal and I are amazed that you dont know the meaning of "myth."

Myths are not necessarily false. They are sometimes true, like the Genesis story.

So my dear, you have not told me anything new or relevant.

But that is besides the point that I'm making. The fact that many Atheists believe evolution and you dont shows that there is no evidence for evolution. Yes or no? If there was evidence for it, you would believe it. So you must accept that Atheists (at least some of them) believe in evolution without evidence.

Yes or no?

Uyi Iredia: No, there would be few atheists who don't believe in evolution. With you and harakiri it becomes 2 Nairatheists who do so out of the whole lot, a very small portion indeed. BTW since you supposedly don't believe evolution, how do you think life started ?

fadosky607: If there's no God, there can't also be a Devil, am I right? Or do atheists bliv that there's Satan?