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italo: Yes it does make an assertion. Didnt you see the Wikipedia definition of Atheism I posted?

Have you never asserted that God doesnt exist?

Tell me which Atheist on nairaland doesnt assert that God doesnt exist and let me go and ransack his posts on nairaland.

You wan comot neck now because I am asking for evidence, abi?

Do you believe that the god Zeus exist?. . .What about the goddess Shiva does she exist and created the universe and many Hindus claim?. . .

JMAN05: YHWH.

Evidence that YHWH created the universe and not Vishnu or Allah is WHAT?. . . .When exactly and how did YHWH created the universe? plsssssssss tell me so that i can believe that you have an idea of what you are talking about. . . .

italo: If you're not making a categorical claim that God doesnt exist but you are open to be convinced by "evidence," it means you think there might be a possibility that God exists.

I would have no problem with you.

My issue is with those Atheists that are categorically saying God doesnt exist, like Mazaje.

Can you help me ask for their empirical evidence?

Thank you.

The empirical evidence is that all gods are man made that is why we have many different gods and many different religions. . .

JMAN05: op.

Many atheists are not sincere. they just like to remain atheists, not that no evidence of a creator exists, no. but they just want to be blind over the evidence of their brain so as to remain atheists.

Point at a robot and they will shout "of course somebody made it", but point at them, they ll say "they caim by chance". Prove how life came from nonliving thing, no prove. but they believe it happened, but wont believe God exists without prove.

just tell me how serious they are?

Which of the gods or goddess created the universe. . .

Joshthefirst: smh. It's as if you didn't even read my post.

God reveals himself through his son jesus both through our preaching, etc. God is not going to change because of you. He reveals himself even today. But he resists the proud. Simple

Men wrote the entire Jesus story, no evidence to show that any of what the wrote down about Jesus is try, even christians do not even agree on the nature of Jesus i.e if he is god and Jesus at the same time or if he is god alone yet here you are talking about god and how he revealed himself through Jesus?. . .The Dai Lama is the reincarnation of a Buddhist god, at least the Dai Lama is alive and we can see him today. . .You are a joke. . .

plaetton: The irrationality of atheism would be so clear if You ,Italo, can just point out god to us. If God was self-evident like say, one's father, or observable like the sun rays, or measurable like gravity, then it would be irrational to disbelief in such.

But so far since you opened this thread, I have looked everywhere and so has my neighbor, there is no sign of god.
So where is god?
Show me god.

He can not even convince his fellow christians that Mary is the mother of god and that she should be honored or pleaded with to pray for humans as his church tradition maintains, yet you want him to show you that his god exist?. . .If his god exist other christians will have the same belief as him and the members of his sect, but because its a man made stuff like any other thing him and others who claim belief in the same god all have different ideas and belief in the same god. . .Delusion at its finest. .

plaetton: Oh please please. give me the evidence of Smith Wigglesworth and Kenneth hagin healing amputees and raising the dead. I am begging you.

Smith Wigglesworth and Kenneth hagin healing amputees?. . .This guy is TRULY crazy. . .

Alfa Seltzer: NO!.

Because atheism is not a proposition but a response to one.

Theist: I have Ghadse which cooks any food I want in 30 seconds

Atheist: I don't believe such a device exists. Can you show me?

Theist: Do you have any proof for your disbelief?

Atheist: Ehm! I don't need any proof of anything. You just said ...

Theist: You are very irrational if you can't prove what you just said.

Atheist: Can you please show me this device you talked about or at least proof of its existence.

Theist: Can you prove you are not irrational?

This best describes the atheist and theist arguments we have been having for years here on NL. . .

Joshthefirst: go to quatar and see for yourself. This does not change what I said. You make empty claims with empty words.

We, the real deal, the message spreaders are Gods ambssadors on earth. The power of God backs us. God is not going to change just to fulfill your selfish sentiments. Smh. Even in seemingly and totally dark regions, God, true God, almighty God, reveals himself inspite of mens sin and ignorance through his son.

And as we rise in revival, the world will be engulfed with the power of the message just before judgement. Watch and see the power of God.

Empty drivel as usual. . .If god reveals himself then why are you wasting your time telling people about him?. . .Why not just allow him to reveal himself to alll, after all we are told he wants to save humanity and have a personal relationship with humans, if you want to have a personal relationship with a girl do you send someone to woo her or do you do it yourself?. . .Do you know why you are trying to woo people to your god and why others are also trying to woo people to their gods as well?. . .Because all the gods do not exist and can never do such. . .Your god and your religion remains a creation of men. . .End of story. . .

italo: If faith is not rational, Atheism is not rational.

It relies on blind faith, not reason supported by empirical evidence.

The empirical evidence you seek is that all religions and gods are a creation of men that is why there are different gods and religions. . Have you ever seen any god create any religion?. . .Point to one religion and god that is not a creation of men, until you do then I really do not know what you are seeking. . .

Joshthefirst: what's the point?
Your heart is hardened. If I give you the records of people like smith wigglesworth(who actually healed amputees and raised the dead) and kenneth E. hagin and countless others, you wouldn't believe me.
You and mazaje will have to wait for God to heal your amputee neighbour or heal the sick before your very eyes, which will probably NOT happen. God is not your houseboy. God resists the proud and scoffers and gives grace to the humble. He will keep revealing himself and changing the lives and saving those who believe and seek him with a pure heart.

But the words of the proud are an abomination before God.

He won't even mind you self. But we will still preach the message. And we will still tell you that all men shall stand before God in judgement. Your sin cries out to God and provokes his wrath. God commands all men everywhere to repent.

Remember your god as presented does NOT exist. . Why will an all powerful god that can do all things rely on men to spread his word for him? Its only because such god is a man made idea, your religion is nothing but following another man's culture. . .When did any god tell you anything about himself?. . .Is it not the words of men that you keep deluding yourself to be the word of god because you have been indoctrinated with them?. . .If you were born into a mulsim family in Qatar you would have been telling us how Jesus was not crucified and how god does not have a son etc. . .Your god is a creation of ancient men and their superstitions. . .

italo: The bold is what I am talking about.

An Atheist declares that statement to be "FACT" without any semblance of evidence for it.

Its a fact that all gods are man made. . .That is why there are different gods and religion because men created all gods and religion. . .

italo: Let me simplify the OP for you.

This thread was not opened to show Atheists the evidence for God.

It was opened to show that Atheists like you are just as irrational as you claim Theists are when you assert that God doesnt exist, without having empirical evidence - only blind faith.

I pray you can understand it now. Amen.

italo: The bold is what I am talking about.

An Atheist declares that statement to be "FACT" without any semblance of evidence for it.

What evidence or fact do you need that has not being shown to you already?. . .No theist has ever presented ANY evidence to show that his god exist any where, all what the theist have presented are ideas and arguments. . .You claim god exist as a living being and all you can do when asked to present evidence is to present ideple and monuments foras. . .

No god exist because all gods are man made. . .All gods were created by humans as such no god can be shown to exist on its own with out human input. . .Humans wrote all the words of god, humans are the ones that define such gods and attribute to them what ever character they chose to assign to them, humans are the ones that preach to others about their god ideas, fight and kill for their gods, convert others and speak to them on behalf of their various gods, build monuments and shrines for their gods, do everything for their gods because no god exist, no god has ever done anything for any body because non exist. . .God remains a human idea, it is the idea that exist not the gods themselves as such no god can be shown to exist without human input because humans created all gods and as a result there are different gods, even in your own religion your church has a very different idea and conception of god compared to say a white garment christian or a seven day adventist. . .All gods are man made. .

Deep Sight: Your reference to the existence of various ideas of God or gods, does nothing whatsoever to address the pure philosophical and logical question of the existence of a Creator or Creators of the universe.

That question is that which stands between the atheist and theist, and not the haggle as to identity: Zeus, Jesus, Yahweh, Allah, Shiva, Brahman, et all.

All gods remain man made ideas. . .That is why there are many gods. . .belief is what makes god live, once people stop believing in gods they die off. . .Ra used to be a very powerful god in ancient Egypt. . .Many of the gods our ancestors worshiped are now dead after the Europeans and Arabs invaded our lands and forced us to accept their own version of gods. . .Gods remain a man made idea. . .FACT. . .

OP show define god and show us how such a god exist, that will keep all atheist quite, until the OP does that he can only delude himself by saying god exist, god is just a an idea that relies on belief and the people that buy into that idea and belief system are what exist not the gods themselves. . .Can the OP show us that Zeus the ancient Greek god or Shiva the Hindu goddess are u not the creators of the universe?. . There is no difference between the Hindu goddess Shiva and christian god. . .All are creation of men and exist only in the minds of their believers. . .

Chibuebem: If this happens will you believe?

Sure, why not, I will become a christian the next moment. . .Just pray to Jesus and let him restore the amputated hand of my friend and also heal my friend's baby that was born with down syndrome. . . .

Billyonaire: Churches in other places apart from Lagos might still hold the brotherhood love and care.

But in Lagos; churches are business centers. Even the pastor is more afraid of sickness and death than members.

The fact remains that most churches in Lagos are just "mere" gathering of original christians who congregate to "maintain" family belief.

They can only be there to bury you if you were a dignitary and a money man. To pastors it is even a sin to be poor which ia why poor people pretend that all is well to still enjoy good friendship of brethren in church, if any brethren dare discover that you are living in not going kpako, you are finished.

Many new generation churches now indoctrinate their members into believing that it is a sin to lack, they make their members believe that if things are not going well then they must be sinful or under some kind of course, you see them lying to themselves and declaring prosperity, people that don't even have jobs and food to eat. . .I don see different kinds of delusion for this naija sha. . .One of my employees gives almost all his money to the church, I just dey laugh. . .

Chibuebem: ^^^ @ mazaje
Those who are not greedy and are real God-loving believers have their lives as a witness.
But I just want to say that as we preach and believe God, he will confirm his word with signs and miracles, so that the unbelieving will believe. These are the signs:


Mark 16:
17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; 18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

The bolded is the most striking of them all.

If you see these signs with your own eyes, will you believe?

My friend is an amputee, his arm was amputated, pls come and let your god restore his amputated limbs back. . .One of my friend's son was born with down syndrome, you can come and lay your hands on him as a believer lets and prove to me that your bible is not a fictional book of lies and myths. . .

Mintayo: pls who are those that witnessed mohammed's ascension to heaven?
Was it not a dream?

Who were those that witnessed Jesus's asencion into heaven, was it not in a story?. . .Mohammed ascended into heaven on the back of a winged beast, it was written in the hadith. . .

Mintayo: well,it is your opinion,and you are the one left with the prove.
The witnesses are not one,not two,not three,not four...and i can go on.
And do you know that it was not only Jesus that talked prophesied about His death?
Halleluyah,Jesus is alive.

Witnesses in a story book. . .Sure Mohammed ascended into heaven on the back of a winged beast, there are witnesses to the event as well, just like Jesus the witnesses also are to be found in a story. . .

Kings Johnson: To all those who said that God doesnot answer prayers and equally brought logic to support their so called claims. Now let do it as Elijah did it in the Holy Bible, by showing and proving to you guys that God actually answer prayers. Therefore i pray tonight that all you that question such, none of your phones will see the light of tommorow. Amen.

Ok your god has failed as always, my phone is still here with me and functioning very well. . .Why don't you tell your god to make us blind instead, many people have tried it here. . .

Ishilove: Is this not the same video of lady that was beheaded because she was suspected of being an SSS informant?

Did you hear the conversation in the video?. . .

Mintayo: the difference is that Jesus said it and it happened as He said it,even those that killed Him,the pharisee knew He will rise again,hence they had to lie to pilate for Him to give them soldiers to guard His tomb and also told lies after His resurrection.
Halleluyah Jesus is alive,it is evidence among us today!

Jesus did not say anything, a story book written about Jesus by other men claimed Jesus said it. . . .Jesus was just a character in a story book called the bible. . .Everything about what Jesus said ended in a story. . .

I just watched it. . . . . .This is seriously sickening. . .Why?. . .

Why am i unable to view the video?. . .

What is life with god?. . .

Candour: Its packaging. They must package an aura of invincibility when Christ even said in this world, we'll have tribulation but we should be of good cheer because we'll overcome at last.

That is how one keeps screaming how tithing is working for him only for me to discover he was even begging to be employed as a driver with dangote group. Seeking the employment wasn't the bad thing but why paint a picture of great success just to convince people that tithe works?

I am also noticing these madness among some people I know, they will never let their church members know their true financial situation. They don't report or share any information about sickness or financial problems. . .They keep telling their church members that things are at their best, who exactly are they fooling?. . .Na wah for some people sha. . .

So others have noticed this happening as well, I REALLY wanted to bring up this issue sometime ago when a friend's elder brother died and his death got no mention in the Christ embassy church he attended, but i thought people will accuse me of being crazy and telling lies. . I was like what the hell when the late guys brother told me how his church acted after he died, his young wife was left all alone by the church. He was an active member. . .I know the traditional churches don't do this, they provide support and even contribute to the burial process in many cases. . .But these new generation churches na wah sha. . .

italo: You are talking of segregation. I also know people that are Atheists in my country that say things like "believers are retards," "believers are the problem of the world," etc. Atheists like these treat those that do not disbelieve in God like them as lesser human beings who are mentally caged.

This, my friend, is part of the contributions of Atheism to our society...which shows that segregation is not a 'religious' problem.

And how many times have atheist created blood shed in your country?. . .The soldiers of Yahweh and Allah have killed uncountable people in many of the endless religious crisis that have plagued your country. . .How many atheist have ever denied you employment or admission into any university because of your religious belief. . .Many christians are denied employment into various institutions and admission into various universities because they are not muslims and vice versa. . .How has christianity and islam helped your country and developed it besides the endless wars and discrimination that it is causing in the country. . .

Chibuebem: you have started again with this odin stuff. The bible talks of those who were never exposed to the gospel message after Christs death. Those who lived and died without the gospel reaching them yet. It's in romans sir. Do good to study and don't make up conclusions of your own, or go with popular 'belief' I trust you to do that sir, since It seems you have more common sense than the rest of your 'brothers'

From your post its clear that common sense is indeed not common. . .