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italo: I'm still looking for the religion that says "loot the treasury," "care not for your neighbour," etc.

If after 53 years, people are still deliberately mis-diagnosing our ailment like the OP just to further their Atheist agenda...it is obvious that it is liars pretenders like these (both religious and non-religious) that have failed us for 53years.

I know religions practiced in my country that say things like, " Allah dislikes the unbelievers" . . ."Those that do not believe in Jesus are condemned already" or "do not be yolked with unbelievers because what has light got to do with darkness". . .The adherents of such religions see those that do not believe in their religions as the others who lost and treat them either as enemies of their god or people that are in the dark and are condemned already as their scripture says. . .This my friend is part of the contributions of religion to our society. . .

Image123: Be humble in ignornce, not cocky.

Genesis 2v15 .The LORD God took the man and placed him in the orchard in Eden to care for it and to maintain it.

Ok cool. . .I accept my error. . .

[/quote]19 The LORD God formed out of the ground every living animal of the field and every bird of the air. He brought them to the man to see what he would name them, and whatever the man called each living creature, that was its name.

20 So the man named all the animals, the birds of the air, and the living creatures of the field, but for Adam no companion who corresponded to him was found.


Jesus and all the early apostles were jews by birth, tell us another one .

Adam did not name any animal we know. . .did he name the cow, rabbit, goat, whale, chimpanzee etc?. . .Why do people call them different names in different languages?. . .

Jesus and ther early appostles did NOT write any part of the story in genesis. . .There are practicing Jews uptil today and they do not agree with the christian interpretation of the eden story. . .

italo: Your opinion.

My opinion: it is human nature to be drawn to our source and maker.

Odin is our source and maker, no?. . .

noblefada: This is the simple reason why we say the book is not for you, The Holy Spirit is mentioned severally in the book and He is even credited has the author, but you say categorically He doesn't exist! who should we believe you or the bible?

The elusive holy spirit is not the author of anything. . .Pls just pray to the holy spirit and tell him to end the squabble between you and italo already so that we will know that it exist in reality and not in the figment of your imagination. . .

macof: ur brain be beans. Adam named all the animals? In wat language? U mean to tell me he named cat cat, and elephant elephant?

Abeg forget this deluded man. . .

plaetton: @noblefada and Italo

The issues here are very simple. let me break them down in the simplest way. Ok

1. The words of god in scriptures are perfect.
Right?

2. One needs holy spirit guidance to read and understand them.
Right?

3. The holy spirit is perfect and is there to guide believers in understanding the scriptures.
Right?

4. Noblefada and Italo are believers who read the scriptures with guidance of the holy spirit.
Right?

5. Noblefada and Italo both read the perfect scriptures with active guidance of the perfect holy spirit, but come out with different interpretations.
Right?

So, what gives?.
Obviously there is a problem somewhere along that chain.
Which is the problem, the scriptures, the holy spirit, the mind of Nablefada or the mind of Italo?

If Noblefada's or Italo's mind was deficient (as the case may very well be. lol) , then why counldn't the holy spirit have automatically stepped in to buffer and auto-corrected this mental anomaly on the part of either Italo, Nablefada, or both?

LOL. . .No be small thing. . .

italo: So contradictory claims about something no longer mean that thing doesnt exist?

Can't you read?. . Contradictory claims about the holy spirit as presented by christains shows that it is non existent. . .If you have another contradictory thing we can look at it or examine it based on its merits and see if it exist or not, but the contradictory nature of the holy spirit as presented by christians does not exist, simple. . .

Image123: The Bible does not say that Abraham was ignorant or stu.pid. It says in parallel that they did not take from the tree of life. In your understanding, they have no life since they have not eaten of the tree of life. But we all know that they lived for many years. The point refused to et is that the life in the tree of life, and the knwledge of good and evil in the tree of knowledge of good and evil are not the literal life and knowledge that we are accustomed to.
i said Adam was A most intelligent man, please read carefully and properly. He had the intellience to maintain a garden of edenic quality with a size irrigated by four rivers. That would take a lot of intellience and automation today, and yet two people cannot manage yet, i'm sure. It tkes intellience to name all the animals, how many have you named in your life?
You forgot tat Adam and Eve sewed cloths from plants?
Is it the people you met that invented the story and wrote it down?

Now you have resulted to lying for Jesus eh?. . .Where in the bible does it say that Adam maintained any part of the garden? Remember according to the story they had everything at the garden and the ground was cursed only after they ate the fruit. . .Pls show where it was written that Adam maintained anything from the bible or take your drivel somewhere else. . .Why are the same animals given different names in different languages if the mythical Adam named them all?. . .Was it the mythical Adam that named the dinosaur and the sharks?. .Pls don;t be ridiculous pls. . .The people that invented the story were Jews and not even christians. . .

italo: Dear friend, save your breath on this. I have got your point.

'If there are contradictory claims about something, that thing doesnt exist'--Mazaje.

Like I said before, you have a high IQ.

Stop repeating this lie, cos that is not what I have said, the holy contradictory claims about the holy spirit specifically as presented by christians shows that it doesn't exist, i am not talking about all things but the holy spirit specifically so stop telling lies. . .Your have a very low IQ and you use it only for lying. . .

plaetton, pls forget noblefada and his special kind of delusion, he keeps confidently spewing rubbish all of the time. . .

macof: the moment when u make up a story and make no big deal out of it, but some foreign folks take it as their life

I tire, i was taken aback when i discovered that the Jews that invented the story have a very different interpretation of the eden story from the christian usurpers. . .I laugh when i see Africans that KNOW NOTHING about the stories deluding themselves with ridiculous and asinine explanation over something they KNOW NOTHING about. . . .

Chibuebem: smh. Read the biography of each of those men and what they thought of God and Jesus. Just a click away.

Stop lying for Jesus, just click George Washington nand James Madison on the link you provided, their religion is clearly written as deist. . .Most of the US founding father were freemason and deist who never believed in the mythical Jesus of the bible. . .Thomas Jefferson was a Unitarian who believed in Jesus but not the whole of the bible as such he created his own bible called the Thomas Jefferson bible, he refused to accept the god of the old testament and removed some books from the new testament go and read about the Jefferson bible. . .

Religion has NEVER helped any country to develop , so why will it ever help Nigeria?. . .

Chibuebem: please show me your source and I'll show you mine.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Founding_Fathers_of_the_United_States

Its amazing the length you would go to sir. Smh

Where does it say the American founding fathers were christians in the link you provided?. . .The American founding fathers were free masons and most were deist. . . .Go and educate yourself. ..They were against religion and made sure it was completely separated from state affairs. . .Most of them did not believe in your mythical Jesus. . .

Image123: This is good news. You are saying that you do not believe that Adam had no knowledge of good and evil? That's what i am saying, i don't believe Adam was ignorant. He was a most intelligent man.
You behave much like Adam. Who are the jews that wrote the Bible? Were you the one that fought for your nation's independence? i'll like to meet you if so.

I am not saying, the bible says he did not have the knowledge of good and evil before he ate the fruit of knowledge. . .How was adam the most intelligent man when he did not know anything?. . .According to the story god had to sew cloths for them before driving them out of the garden. . .The OT is a Jewish book, they invented the stories and wrote it down before the christians came and usurped it and gave it their own meaning and interpretations. . .

italo: Oh please!

Lets me just free you for the sake of peace.

'If there are contradictory claims about something, that thing doesnt exist'--Mazaje.

Happy?!

The contradictory claims of the holy spirit as presented by the christians shows it doesn't exist, remember the holy spirit is said to live in christians , it is supposed to teach, guide and explain things, is it the same holy spirit that is guiding and explaining things to Enigma and Oladegbuu that is also explaining things to you?. . .When then to you disagree ALL of the time?. . .All of you confidently and sincerely lay claim to this elusive and abstract holy spirit. . .

Image123: What language would you prefer? You don't believe Adam literally named the animals but you believe he had no knowledge of good and evil? Well now at least you know Adam was intelligent enough to maintain an Edenic garden with a size large enough to be irrigated by four rivers. You're picking something, fine.

I don't believe anything about the Adam and eve story, it is only a fictitious story, I was only stating what was writing in the story and how the christian interpretation of the story which is very different from the jewish interpretation portrays Yahweh as an irresponsible parent. . .Adam never named any animal any where, if he did all animals will be called by the names he gave them in all languages, stop talking about it as if the fictitious account has anything to do with reality, animals are named after they have been discovered. . .What name did Adam give to the pit bull or Chuwawa?. . .Don't be be ridiculous pls. .

Again i ask, Adam had not taken of the tree of life, did he have life?
Adam was created with capacity to pass the test, he had to be tested. Like he denied his fault, so do his children also deny today. Evidently, you have the adamic nature.

I don't have any adamic nature, even the Jews that invented they myth do not agree with the nonsense you are writing. . .They do not believe in original sin or fall of man to them the eden story stands for man coming to an age of awareness and enlightenment. . .Its he christains that give it their own meaning because of Jesus. . .The people that invented the story do not even agree with you, so stop giving me your indoctrinated crap. . .

noblefada: Ok good the HS cannot sin right? Now see this 1Co 2:12 KJV Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. And again 1Co 6:17 KJV But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.
The regenerated Spirit is joint to the HS, so if the HS cannot, the Spirit of the man born again cannot sin. Hope this clarifies things for you.
As for your question I've answered it already, Yes I sin and as long as I put on this flesh, I may still sin but what does the scriptures 1Jn 2:1 KJV My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
Pls take note of the conditional clause, if any should sin.

When will the elusive holy spirit come and solve this problem for our friends once and for all. . .Pls you both should pray to the holy spirit to come and help you out. . .E don do. . .

Chibuebem: bla bla bla? Have you read what the bible says about christs church and the jews. Did you even read what I said? Its amazing what you guys can 'conclude' just to prove your false points. The very things you accuse religious people of doing. What can I say shaa...you've gone into bla bla bla mode. Smh. My post is available for others to read and by God's grace to be strenghtened.

The new testament is an aberration of the jewish scriptures as such the do not believe in it. . .If i am to go with any explanation of the adam and eve story i will go with the jewish interpretation because it makes more sense and they originally wrote the story,not the christian usurpers and their outlandish interpretation and explanation of the originally jewish story. . .

italo: Yeah right! Just like contradictory claims about everything in the world shows that nothing exists.

You have a very high IQ.

What are the contradictory claims about everything in the world?. . .Are you for real?. . .

italo: Why should I defend my God?

isn't that what you have been doing here on the religious section?. . .

noblefada: Go and check, there has always been disagreements about the interpretation of scriptures, from the time of Jesus and the scribe to the early apostles, so it nothing new. But let me clarify the issue you have, the Holy Spirit is perfect, but the human vessel is not! so the disagreement in the understanding of scriptures in body of Christ rest solely on the human vessel because of the limitation of the flesh, that's why Paul said we know in part and prophesy in part, but when he shall come we shall know all things. Similar thing may apply in the law courts, the laws are there but judgement will only be based on how each attorney presents his case.

The bible encourages people to be perfect, it says that be ye perfect as your father in heaven is perfect, meaning that christians can attain perfection with the help of the holy spirit not?. . .

noblefada: I'm a believer and I'm born of God, then as for the second question, people are only scared of what they don't understand! so when a believer sins, that sin did not originate from his Spirit, but rather from his soulish (mind realm), that's what that scriptures was talking about. I much as possible I tried not to, but as one in the flesh I'm not 100%, but I meditate more on Gal 5:16. Let me ask you a question, can the Holy Spirit commit sin?

Na wah ohhh. . .The way these guys go about confidently taking about nonsense is really mind boggling. . .

Chibuebem: @ bolded, your argument is flawed.
I tell my 2 year old child: 'Nwokem. Do not touch this lantern. If you do, you will hurt yourself. He listens to another, who contradicts me, his father, who takes care of him and supplies him with his every need and loves him, he admires the beauty of the flame. Goes on ahead to the kitchen, and touches the flame.
You can try this on a two year old and see if he doesn't know he did wrong when you get back from work.

What does the sentence: "If thou shalt eat it, thou shalt surely die" mean to you??
Adam and eve knew that the shalt surely die if they ate the fruit.
Nawa o. Don't misinterpret the bible. This just shows you read the bible with a biased mind to try to pick out faults. Like I said, you end up falling flat on your face.
They knew the consequences of their actions, they were afraid when God came. They hid. They knew they were wrong. They were judged because they were wrong. God does not place curses on innocent people. The serpent told them God was a liar, and they, knowing fully well they were disobeying, STILL took the fruit and disobeyed because of their covetousness.
They were cursed and judged by God because God is good and upright. He is a just God. And even as he was judging them, he was already speaking of their salvation. They were seperated from God spiritually once they took that fruit. Their natures had fallen. How could they eat the fruit of the tree of life and live forever? How could man live forever in the nature of sin? God forbid. Who knows how this world would have been? Why do you try to discredit almighty God? I say this to your shame: your biased mind could not enable you to see plain truth: man sinned from the beginning. He was guilty. God is just and good. Man still sins and rebels against God till today, enjoying the pleasures of sin for a short time before reality catches up with him. Either in the form of life-giving faith in the power of God to save, Or in the form of eternal damnation by the wrath of God in death and judgement.

The word of God is alive and powerful, sharper than a double-edged sword, cutting even unto the diving of the soul and the spirit and the joints and the marrow; and is a judge of the thoughts and intents of the heart

Forever o lord, your word is settled in heaven

Romans 3:12- They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
Romans 3:23- for all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God.

Romans 6:23- For the wages of sin is DEATH. But the free gift of God is ETERNAL LIFE THROUGH JESUS CHRIST OUR LORD

Bla bla bla. . .even the Jews that invented the story do not agree with the christian interpretation and explanation. . .The christian explanation doesn't make any sense at all. . .it depicts god as an incompetent parent. . .

RationalDude: Jesus is alive.
Proof:
the tomb is empty
halleluyah!!

Which tomb and where is the empty tomb located?. . .

italo: Are you saying that contradictory claims about what the Holy Spirit has inspired proves that there is no Holy Spirit?

Common man! If you're searching for truth, the least you can do is be honest with yourself.

...that is if you're searching for truth.

Contradictory claims about the holy spirit as done by the christians shows it does not exist. . .Pls when will the holy spirit solve the trinity issue for christians?. . .

italo: Good. Good.

You admit one of us could be right. So our disagreement is not a reason to dismiss both our cases.

It is since you are both claiming something that is abstract. . .Jesus, god etc are just based on an abstract story and both of you are just telling us about this abstract idea based on a certain line and way of reasoning. . .You can't show me Jesus at work anywhere, you can't show me the holy spirit in action any where, you can only point to stories and keep buling arguments based ONLY on stories , the highest you can do is make claims on what we dont know like claim god created the universe because we really do not know how the universe came about and other stuffs we don't know. . .God is just your default position for "I don't know". . .

Uyi Iredia: Unless you are still illogical your statement is false, you were religious and gave way to reason and logic. And just because religious people aren't logical about their beliefs doean't mean they are illogical in other respects.

When it comes to religion most of them do not reason at all. . .

italo: Logically speaking, there is a chance that one of us is correct.

Yup, and both of you can be wrong as well. . .

italo: Just like Mazaje's logic says that Macro-evolution is not logical enough but logicboy's logic says the opposite.

Now, does that prove or disprove anything?

THINK...about it.

Only that no atheist lays any claim to any holy spirit or any outside source for guidance. . .So you FAIL. . .You have a bible, lay claim to holy spirit which some of you believe is also a part of your god for guidance, explanation and revelation yet all we see is more confusion and lack of agreement on every single issue, you guys can not even tell the holy spirit to tell you if Jesus is god alone or also the son of god, that case has not been settled yet. . .

aManFromMars: Not really, though the first time I met an atheist was a chilling experience.

The first time i meet an atheist was in Germany in 2004, if any one ever told me at that time that i wlil one day be an atheist i would have told the person that he was VERY CRAZY. . .When the guy told me he was an atheist I was like "how can this one say that god doesn't exist" is he CRAZY. .I have never thought about creation, religion, or anything else, I actually thought god dictated the bible to the writers because of my islamic backround, Islam say an angle revealed the koran to mohammed(many people still don't know how the bible was written complied or anything) .I was first a muslim then later a christian and the version of christianity i was indoctrinated with was all i knew and all my life revolved around. . .I really did not know about any other religion until i meet a thai buddhist same year in England. . .

Religious people can never gave way to reason and logic, they just begin with the belief that you are from satan and that's where it begins and ends. . .

noblefada is SPAG. . .He clearly does not even understand what he is saying. . .The problem is someone like italo does not agree with him on anything, but the two of them will still lay claim to this elusive holy spirit as the basis or inspiration for what ever they are saying. . Religion is truly a diseases. . .