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Pastor Kun: Life must be really miserable being an atheist.

Life must really be miserable being a theist. . .

Freksy: What prevents your "intelligent" leaders from creating one and prove God incapable and unintelligent? What better proof would they have than that? If they don't know how to start from the scratch, present your body to be crushed to paste and made anew.

Which god?. . .You are yet to show that any god exist any where. .God remains an idea and that is all. . .

Look for a medical scientist to design, construct and replace them for you; I will foot the bill.

Scientist have corrected that already, after all it is scietist that are helping the billion people that were born with various natural eye defect see, by correcting the defect. . .Your god has never corrected any eye defect any where. . .

Why most and not all of us? Are you thinking humans wouldn't like to design our body? What prevents them? Perhaps they don't have "chance". Lol...

You kep talking about chance when no body has mentioned it any where on this thread. . .Keep singing your songs. . .

The planet earth is your home. Science is your tool; use it with ingenuity that was created in you to maintain, not to destroy the earth. Stop bleming the sun!

Created in us?. . How come those that lived very long ago didn't have the scientific knowledge we have today if it was created in us?. . .

I thought our cars evolved and set traffic laws for themselves. Why do we chose to design cars, and not better humans. Which is more important, better cars or better human society?

Cars are not made up of living cells are they?. . .What the hell are you saying?

Freksy: Isn't it ridiculous that you have resorted to attacking bible's translation on a thing you are not sure of? Ok, as you claim the Good News Translation of Job 38:33 is "fraudulent", have you not logically slaughtered your excuses on gravity? So, go a head now and point to us how chance explosion can create things, organise them, and set well defined laws etc. Ensure you don't resurrect any of those excuses you have logically slaughtered and buried.

The other translations have shown that the good new translation is an outlier. . .Other translation are talking about heaven(God's abode) and his dominion over the earth. . I gave you 4 english translations and the good news bible translation is completely off. . .We see explosions doing everything that you are saying. . .We have picture evidence, we are yet to see how words of hebrew bring anything into life. . .

There's no point deviating, I was just trying to help you think like Miller and his men, since you claimed the present condition won't let one succeed.

Me?. . .When?. . .LOL!

The usual excuse. Now it has come to the point where you no longer understand what i was asking you to present.

Your arguments are just neither here no there. . .

Clap for yourself!

I said we have picture evidence of new stars emerging after a super nova explosion. . .What are you on about?. . .

Freksy: ^^^ Response to ijawkid by mazaje 1




^^^ Response to ijawkid by mazaje



^^^ Response to Freksy by mazaje 1

Observation: There are two mazajes -------> mazaje and mazaje 1

Mazaje believes our solar system was created by explosion, while mazaje 1 believes our solar system was not created by explosion.

Conclusion: mazaje(1) has two accounts, and has either employed someone, but without proper synchronization of thoughts; or, he's alone with the two accounts, but has entangled himself in a web of confusion. Done!

You are foolish and can not read well. . .I was asking him a question. .Didn't you see the question mark?. . .

mazaje1:

What are you saying?. . .The cluster up to form new planets. . .There are many dwarf planets in our solar system that came about as a result of their collision. . . Our solar systen isn't a resuit of an explosion but there are debris that are as a result of an explosion all over our solar system?.. .What are you saying?.

He said our solar system didnt come as a result of an explosion and i pointed to him that yet there are debris all over our solar system that are a result of explosion which he also agreed to. . .I was asking him to explain how the debris which he agreed are the left over material of an explosion remain a part of our solar system. he said the debris are a result of an explosion but insit that our solr system isnt a result of an explosion so i was asking him how its possible. .I concluded by asking him what he is saying. My position as been the same though out the thread. . .Learn to read before ejaculating and attacking straw men. . .

truthislight: some said and believed that ^^^ and posted it on in this forum.
Smh.

the truth is that, it is a very big ignorance thing to say that by whoever that suggested or accepted it.

The fact is, if the earth is to move away from the sun or closer to the sun from its current position either will become too cold for inherbitation(ice wilderness) or too hot a dry land(desert) unfit for inherbitation and the heat will burn off all living things.

The current distance where the earth is from the intensity of this particular sun is just perfect. (all suns are not of same sizes)

Any addition or subtraction from its current location will spelt out doom for life on planet earth.
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Another thing is that planet earth is unique in many ways and that is what makes it conducive for life.

If planet earth was not rotating on it axis like it does and a particular part of the planet earth keeps on facing the sun, the heat of the sun will heat up that face of the earth so hot that it will incinerate all the living things that existed on that front, while the reverse will be the case for the opposite side of the planet earth, it will get frozen with cold/ice that life cannot be sustain.

This character of the earth rotating on its axis as it goes round the sun creates an enabling environment that support the existence of life and a continued existence of life on this planet.

The surprising thing is that, this characteristic of the planet earth rotating on it axis at this precise speed in front of the sun at this particular distance is quite unique to planet earth.

There are many why's that we can assign to planet earth in the outter space as to why the differences between it and other planets.

Why will "chance" take its time to ensure that planet earth spins so obviously so that a particular part does not face the sun for too long or backs the sun for too long a time like it is common with other planets.

http://www.krysstal.com/solarsys_planets.html

it is said that some planet are not spinning on its axis like earth does but rather rotate like a tire on the ground, case study:

http://www.grantchronicles.com/astro29.htm

If someone is suggesting that their are life like we have here on earth on other planets, there are so many odds that he has to ignore, which includes that the planets will have to repeat so many fantastic fits "by chance" to replicate the exact fantastic sceneriouse we have here on earth, including the precise axial turning of the earth in defiance of the pull of gravity from other planets that should have stalled it or alter it course out of precision from this constant precise revolution.

The distance from the sun, the rate of rotation on its axis all has a lot to do with the conditions for the sustainance of life on planet earth not to talk of other variables.

It only takes the sort of people that belief that they can "move planet earth from its position" and it will still sustain life to accept/think that all it takes to sustain life on earth came about by chance.

If such is not ignorance, then i wander what else is.

learn to read istead of attacking a straw man. . .Here is what I said, I said the sun is growing and as it continues to grow bigger, it will continue to grow hotter, its heat will continue to increase here on earth as it grows bigger until it eventually fries and destroys all life on earth, all this will happen in the very distant future and some scietist have suggested that the position of the earth be moved backwards to that the growing sun and the heat it emits will not affect life on earth as a result of its intensity. . .Read things in context and stop attacking straw men. . .

As for the other planets, we have studied not up to a 2 thousand of them out of zillions available, to make some conclusions out of just a thousand or two out of zillions is nonsensical and stupidddddd. . . .Many rotate just like that earth on their own axis and are in a similar to their parant star like the earth. . .It is imposible to know if life exist on other planet out there. . .Scientist can only predict but its imposible for them to know. . .

ijawkid: Why consider chance in the first place??...that's my problem...has anything you've done happened by chance??....did you go to school by chance,ate this morning by chance,??......did you happen to have knowledge of the universe by chance??.....

You disagree that man was created neither do you fully choose to adopt the theory of evolution(which is an insult to man)....what then do you want my bro??.......

OK. here is my position, what we don't know remains unknown, there is no need puting forth different hypothesis that are flawed. . .The scientist an the religionist all do NOT know exactly how the universe began and how life came about, both are just speculating, I am very comfortable with my i don't know position, I do not believe in evolution but it sound more plausible to me than the idea that a god idea created humans an spoke things into existence using the hebrew language. . . .

There are scientists who have done researches and have come to agree that man did not come by chance...only one who has decided to run away from reality would say we are a product of chance...

(Over 90 percent of western biologist accept evolution, actually here in europe and in the USA many christians accept evolution, they are called ttheistic evolutionist, i am not saying eveolution is true because some theist accept it, i still do not accept it but it sound more plaausible than creatiosim that has never been used to create anything and has no evidence to back it up. . .

And who says debris could not have been transported because of the distance between solar systems??.....is it impossible??....

Yeah it is IMPOSSIBLE. . .The asteroids and comets are orbiting our star(sun). . .

My bro na question o...at what point were we part of this universe??were we in it before, during the explosion or after??......

or is it possible that we were in our star when it was been exploded and integrated??.....answer o.....

My brother this your question na wah ohh. . .Humans were not existing by then na. . .The super nova explosion give birth to our star after which our planet was formed out of the debris, gases and dust. . .Humans came in much later. . .

And that is the evidence that all dinosaurs were destroyed by asteroids??...smdh!!!...

And I also asked where were we humans then??.....

Dinosaur bone were measured and it showed the lived millions of years ago, at a time no human lived on earth. . .

Lol.....

I don ask where we been dey when all the explosions dey take place??....

Dem dey for bayelsa na. . .Dey do oil bunkering. . . . .

If our solar system and our planet are products of an explosion then we were also exploding with it and then integrating as well with it....where were we??.......

Na wah ohh brother. . .the sun came first, later the planet and much later humans. . .You hear?. . .

Lol...the crater show were all the dinosaurs dey die??.......

Measurements were taken na brother. .Shebi wuna dey measure shots of ogogoro for inside small cup before wuna take am?. . .na the same way dem take measure them. . .

Naaa...talking about shifting goal post,I wish barca could do that when ever bayern wants to score them.......

Barca is going out tonight no two ways about it. . .

Hmmm...oya oga try create eye na...try create eye wey images go dey dance azonto in front of our retina....you call nature poor process....

At least the people go wear eye glass read wetin you write..what if them no get eye at all!??........

You don shit the goal post commut for feild sef. . .I hail you Ijawkid. . .Shebi na you dey talk about intelligent designer na?. . .

e go good if big one come sef...make we start afresh.......

Let them be thankful to the creator for giving them brains to think of solving problems....imagine if there brains were as low as that of other animals...

When will you stop shifting the goal post na?. . .

Lmao......wetin be DNA??...no be scientist them create the name??.....david just defined what the DNA means.........

David did no such things, stop putting words into his mouth. . .

The figurative book isn't the bible o...

Which book is that?. . .

I do....if you believe other wise tell me why ........is mans DNA a product of chance??.....

I don't know. . .It could be a product of design or chance, i don't know. . .

What evidence is there to prove that man,life,the earth,solar system and all its arrangement came by chance??...

All scientific explanation does not require a creator, not saying they are real, but the ones we see don't require a creator, they stand alone on their own. . .

Which is more reasonable to believe in??...that we and the universe came by chance or we are products of an arranged plan....

Both a reasonable position as long as evidence can be provided to support them. . .So far only the scxietist have been able to provide some evidence to support their positions. . .The religonist are always crying and threatining people. . .They refuse to provide any evidence for the inteligent designer and his very flawed and uninteligent design if i may add. . .

How can scientists be struggling to prove that they are a product of chance and explosion....

There head correct so??.....

They will keep searching and searching until the accede to the one truth they've been running away from...

Scientist have not stated that we are a product of chance and explosion, that is not their position, they are trying to see what cause everything so far all they have seen are natural causes to everything. . No super natural at play any every where they have looked. .

Toluwarni: the recording was paused in other to save memory... Cant you see?? After the owl passed out, the next scene was the burning scene

The video does NOT show how the bird died, it just shows the bird flying, it showed the bird about to land on the carpet, next thing the bird was on the concrete floor close to the pastor dead. . how the bird was killed was not shown in the recording. . .The video was obviously edited to make it look as if the bird was killed by their chants and shouting . .

ijawkid: Plausible my foot..!!!.........

Why is it hard for you to believe that man was made from dust but believe in nebula's....dusty debris that cluster up to form planets,stars etc...??...

My bro a being(s) that can create the universe is capable of doing anything.......

Mans make up shows that he was created and did not evolve from any foolish ape...

Because there is evidence for nebulae, picture evidence taken by very powerful space telescopes. . .There is no no evidence to show that man was created from dust. . .You keep insisting the universe was created by a being, how did you came to that conclusion, where is that being located?. . .Why not many beings?. . .Why not a being that created ran away or is dead?. . .Why not chance?. . .

The debris definitely were transported to our solar system and are there for a reason.....

And I would say this again..those asteroids are not just moving aimlessly..soon scientists would find out there importance....they are still learning...

Borther why do you keep talking like this?. . .The debris could NOT have been transported from another solar system because of the distance between them. . .We can see other solar systems as well, so we make conclusions based on that. . .

You might do well to ask yourself::where were humans when these explosions were taken place that gave birth to our solar system(before our solar system was born) and how is it that all that man needs is found in this solar system and why we are here.......at some point you would have to agree it was a planned arrangement and not just some random occurence....

Where were humans before the super nova explosion that give birth to our star?. . .Is that really a question?. . .na wah ohh. . .Ijawkid. . .

How are sure it was asteroids that killed all the dinosaurs(who told you?? Scientists I guess)??....where were humans then??....

There are evidence, crater made by asteriods are still found here on earth and the remnants of the asterods are still there around the deep crater that were formed. . .

And I insist our earth and the solar system isn't a product of an explosion...if not we in it would also be products of an explosion.....don't you get it??.....

You keep insisting without providing any evidence. . .You sure say you no be the guy wey ezme say him see dey threaten aother woman dey speak ijaw any how. . .Don't insist provide evidence pls. . .

I ask again:::who told you all dinosaurs were killed by asteroids??........abeg video clip dey??.....

Crater dey, video clip no dey. . .

And YES God could use any of the forces he created to bring an end to wickedness....gbam!!!!....

Shifting the goal post as usual. . .

Talking about an intelligent creator means a lot and should mean something to you.....

If you want to know the process God used to create the human brain try creating one and then give me a feed back..

LOL!. .

Lol....as you no believe in the scriptures na there you go hang.....

Let humans produce or create humans with flesh and blood.........

The human body is not well designed but you can use your fingers to type here on nairaland.......

Hope you know that the human eye is not well formed , the way images are formed is not well organized, images are formed at the back of the retina, a rather poor process, as a result many can not even read what i am typing here on nairaland without their glasses. . .

Lol.....let it fry us..we are waiting for it......but can we please stop destroying the ozone layer...??...at least its existing for a reason abi??....

Sure. . . .

Scientists wish that the sun one day kills us and then maybe asteroids destroy all of us so that they can dance azonto to the fact that we are all products of mere chance...

Make them no worry ,na them go use there own senses find the truth......

Its not a wish. it is happening, a meteorite(small astroid) hit Russia last month and killed some people, no be so? If a big one hits earth today all human life will end. . .Scientist are now trying to land on the big one that serve as a threat so that they can change their direction. . .

Yeah the bible writes did know about the DNA....

Look at what king david an olodo in science could write thousands of years ago...

Psalms 139:16
King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
Thine eyes did see my substance, yet being
unperfect; and in thy book all my members
were written, which in continuance were
fashioned, when as yet there was none of
them.

This is what you call DNA?. . .You don go drink that ogogoro abi?. . .

The formation of our different body parts and even the timing of of their formation involves a figurative book that originates with God...

I am not going to talk about the ancient jews and their mythical narratives. . .

The DNA which ofcousre is the information manual of every individual originates from God and not from some random chance....

You don't know this do you?. . .

Oya continue to ask your scientists that are confused and bewildered by nature.....

Because nothing happens by chance as far as the universe is concerned....you are not here on nairaland by chance neither are the words you type here a product of chance....nothing exists by chance.....

You keep saying it without givin any evidence, scientist are explaning with evidence how everything came about naturally. you keep insisting that everything has a super natural origin but have failed to provide any evidence. . .

Toluwarni:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRkgTlsRLGY

Obviously the bird was killed and the video edited, if you can see you will notice that the bird flew and landed on the red carpet suddenly the bird was on the floor without the carpet dead. . .The video does not have the bird flying and landing dead on the floor as a result of prayers and the chants and noise the people were making. . .The bird landed on the carpet next thing it is dead on the floor without the carpet. . .

Purist: @bolded: Therein lies the trick, and indeed, it's one of the oldest tricks in the book. The first "jazz" test is done with a real bullet on a poor animal to convince observers that what they are about to see is for real. The gun usually only contains just that ONE bullet. When the time comes to test the "jazz" on a real person, they shoot with blanks. Now note this: If someone is randomly selected from the crowd of observers to wear the jazz or shoot the gun, that random person was really not chosen "randomly" -- he/she is a part of the show. If there are other observers with their own guns to test and the "jazz" still seems to work, believe me, they are ALL a part of the charade.

If mazaje is really serious about your challenge, you are only going to get a foolish man killed. I very much would love for this to be tested and the video recorded as evidence, but I just cannot bear the thought that someone will die in this whole exercise. Unless mazaje chooses to shoot him where he's likely to survive, that's somewhat cool by me.

Really, I wholly recommend that you guys watch the movie "The Prestige" and learn how great magicians and illusionists are able to completely deceive people right in front of them, that they would leave those people SWEARING that what they just saw is beyond natural.

I am going to shoot the person on his leg, he will stay about 2 meters from me and I will use my own gun. . .An under taking MUST be taking so that I don't get arrested for shooting a person uncessarily. .The person MUST agree to it and sign the undertaking. . .I am VERY serious about this and will carry it out, if you are interested I will invite you over as well if you have the time and if you happen to be in Nigeria. . .

Freksy:
(1) a beginning ....................................................................................................1:1
(2) a primitive earth in darkness and enshrouded in heavy gases and water .....1:2

Day One
(3) light .................................................................................................................1:3,5

Day Two
(4) an expanse or atmosphere ..............................................................................1:6-8

Day Three
(5) large areas of dry land ......................................................................................1:9,10
(6) land plants ........................................................................................................1:11

Day Four
(7) sun, moon and stars discernible in the expanse, and seasons beginning ........1:14-16

Day Five
( sea monsters and flying creatures .....................................................................1:20,21

Day Six
(9) wild and tame beasts, mammals .........................................................................1:24
(10) man.....................................................................................................................1:26,27

Here is what acutally appears in the bible. . . .

Day 1. . .God created light with no light object and divided the light into two, the light he called day and the darkness he called night. . .

Day 2. . . .God created an expanse in the sky to divide the waters above from the waters below, And God made the expanse, and divided between the waters that are under the expanse and the waters that are above the expanse; God called the expanse Heavens.

Day 3. . . . .Dry land were made to appear from the water. And the gathering together of the waters he called Seas, he also made plants to produce after their own kind

Day four. . ..God made the sun, moon and stars and placed them in the firmanet to give light into the earth. . .

Day 5. . . Fishes, bird and sea creatures were created. . .

Day 6. . . . cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth were made. . .

Day 7. . .God created man and rested. . .

Science agrees that these stages occurred in the above general order. What are the chances that the writer of Genesis just guessed this order? The same as if you picked at random the numbers 1 to 10 from a box, and drew them in consecutive order. The chances of doing this on your first try are 1 in 3,628,800! So, to say the writer just happened to list the foregoing events in the right order without getting the facts from somewhere is not realistic. To say it is false will make one a blatant liar before others.

scienec does not agree with any oder written in the bible, it is your writer that was trying to force the bible to agree with science. . .

Freksy: The science of mathematical probability offers striking proof that the Genesis creation account must have come from a source with knowledge of the events. The account lists 10 major stages in this order: (1) a beginning; (2) a primitive earth in darkness and enshrouded in heavy gases and water; (3) light; (4) an expanse or atmosphere; (5) large areas of dry land; (6) land plants; (7) sun, moon and stars discernible in the expanse, and seasons beginning; ( sea monsters and flying creatures; (9) wild and tame beasts, mammals; (10) man.

Where does the bible mention enshrouded earth in heavey gases and whater?. . .where does it talk about the expanse of the atmosphere, what about sun, moon and stars in discernible atmosphere?. . .where is that written in the genesis creation account?. . .

Freksy: "Do you know the laws that govern the skies, and can you make them apply to the earth?" - Job 38:33 (Good News Bible)

Lol, don't mind the above writer, he was just an "illiterate," in fact, an "ape-man". I have a suggestion for you.

I repeat you are a fraud. . .You keep going to look for fringe interpretation of the bible to support your fruadulent claims. . .In other english traslations of the bible the verse in job 38:33 reads entirely differently, it talks about something else. . . Lets have a look at what other english translation says. . .Hope you know that some the various english transalations of the bible are fruadulent and change the meaning of what was written.

Job 38:33 Do you know the laws of the heavens? Can you set up God's dominion over the earth? NIV

Job 38:33 Do you know the ordinances of the heavens? Can you set their dominion over the earth? NKJV

Job 38:33 Knowest thou the ordinances of heaven? canst thou set the dominion thereof in the earth? KJV

Job 38:33 Do you know the ordinances of the heavens? Can you establish God's rule on the earth? YLT

From these versions we can see that the good news version is an outlier an as such a fruadulent translation. . .I think the verse is talking about the writer asking people if they people know the laws of heaven and asking them if they can set god's dominion over the earth or something close to that. . .

In 1953, Stanley Miller and his co-workers set up experimental flask to create the same condition they assumed existed in earth's primitive atmosphere and carried out their experiment. The aim was to produce the chemical compounds - amino acids needed for life to exist. They set up an "atmosphere" of hydrogen, methane, ammonia and water vapor. It was done under reducing (no free oxygen in the atmosphere) conditions. Meaning, man wouldn't even survive in that environment/condition then.

How about setting up a-space-like environment/condition here and try the explosion? This will also disprove the above "illiterate's/ape-man's writing", if successful.

What has that got to do with the genesis creation account that has no scientific backing?. . .Did the genesis creation accout tell you about the conditions of the atmosphere before man was created?. . .Did it tell you about the creation and exostence of micro organisms?. . .

In your previous comment you implied we are not in the universe. Your first comment on this post implies your success will be hampered by earth's gravitational pull. This can imply that other planatery bodies in space do not have gravity. Gravity represents the mutual attraction between two objects, and the strength of that pull depends on both mass and the distance between the objects. Greater mass leads to a greater gravitational pull. Even asteroids and other smaller space rocks exert weak gravitational pull.

Jupiter, the largest planet in our solar system, has also flexed its gravitational muscle across vast distances of space by pulling in space rocks and other debris which might otherwise threaten the earth. Your excuses are not strong. You are not sounding like what most of you claim to be. I need a demonstrated evidence that proves "a single blast of undirected/chance cosmic explosion" created things, organised them, set well defined laws that govern their activities, defined their relative positions etc, and they keep obeying these by chance for billions of years.



I don't appreciate this repeated pretense. Do those explosions give birth and begin to set new laws/conditions that never existed? When you were given birth to did any of your parents create for you life's laws/conditions that would govern your survival/existence that never existed? Please read the bolded again and respond accordingly.

I don't really underatnd all these your talk that is neither here no there, do super nova explaosions give birth to new stars and also solar systems later?. . The answer is yes, we have piture evidence of that, so what exactly are you on about?. . .

ijawkid: You chose to believe this abi??.....

The apes didn't give birth to us,but rather we evolved from them right??...just how??....weren't the apes suppose to be giving birth to there kind??......
The theory of evolution makes more sense to you because you have programmed yourself to believe it(not wanting to welcome the idea of a creator who created apes and humans to reproduce there kind) even when you know it doesn't make sense.....
get ready to tell me where the apes we evolved from evolved from....

I am not programmed to believe anything , that is why i said i do not believe in it, it sounds more plausible to me than accpeting that a man made god idea created men from sand and women from the ribs of a man. . .

I'm more interested in the bolded.....that's all I've been wanting to hear.......comets and asteroids can keep flying about the solar system,that doesn't negate the fact I was trying to make ::that our solar system was never a product of an explosion.....asteroids are results of explosions,but they are not aimless as you might think them to be..nothing is aimless in the universe....

Seems you didn't understand what i was getting at, i was asking you a question. . .How can there be debris and obvious result of an explosion in our solar system yet our solar syatem isn't a result of an explosion as you claim?. . .The asteroids in our solar system are the left over materials from the super nova explaosion that gave birth to our solar system. . .The asteroids are just moving around aimlessly. . .

When you say diseases which are you referring to??....
Has any asteroid destroyed earth as much as man has done??.....
God created everything.....

Asteroids kill all the dinosours and can kill all humans on earth today if a sizeable one hits the earth. . .

And what or who ensures the bolded??...mere chance??.....

A very high possibility,but also an impossibility for us to know if there's life other than the earth.....

Ok o my bro....maybe soon one day you go gree our side.......

I don't know. . .I don't know why there is life on earth as I trold you but I believe that there is also life on other planets, since life exist here on earth which is also a planet. . .It is impossible to know as it stands now. . .

You talked about asteroids and I say let the asteroids come and destroy us.......we are waiting for it....let it come..and let's see the effects of what happened at small ville.........who knows if that is what God would use to end wickedness........I'm happy we agreed on a crucial point....that our solar system and the earth isn't the product of an explosion.....

We haven';t agreed on any point, I still maintain that our solar system is a result of an explosion , the left over materials from the explosion as still there all over the solar system. . .So your god wants to use asteroids to end the world, eh?. . .What wickedness was in the world when the asteroids, hit and killed off all the dinosours?. . .

You talked about humans doing a better job if they were the ones who designed humans....now can we just let the scientist invent or create anything close to a human being...you ran away from the DNA example I gave and went straight to the human eye.....if you believed in the creation account you would have know that adam and eve's disobedience affected us adversely...and so it is certain that we suffer from one defect or the other....we aint as perfect as our first parents....that not withstanding,MAn is a perfect example of the fact that a supreme designer(s) exists....please try studying the human brain and DNA then ask yourself if there isn't a creator......

Now you have jumped into the realm of mythology, Adam and Eve? What am i to do with that jewish mythology?. . .How were the eyes of the mythical Adam and Eve operating before they ate of the fruit?. .Where were the imaged formed in their eyes before they ate the fruit?. . .Humans now live much longer than their ancestors, thanks to mordern science and how it has helped us to elongate our lives. . .Try studying about natural selection as well and see the explanation it offers for the things you have mentioed. . .I don't hold any position, but saying god means nothing, how did your god create the human brain, what process did he use and when exactly did he create the first humans?. . .

Hehehehe...now you try to flaw Gods handi work by calling it un-intelligent..

The human body is not well designed, if humans have the ability to design other humans, they will do a much better job. . .So many of our ody parts are poorly designed, ut as usual you will come with the adam and eve mythical defence. . .

The sun trying to kill us is it not as a result of mans handi work??.....if our ozone layer keeps depleting what else do we expect??.......

The sun it self will eventually kill us all, with our without the ozone layer. . .The sun is growing big and will continue to grow. . .As it grows it will become hotter until it fries everything on earth. . .

I don't think we even know about 5 percent of the universe...like einsten said and I quote him ""We still do not know one thousandth of one
percent of what nature has revealed to us"".

This is why I say God has created us to live forever but on another thread you said its because of mans greed..how else can we find out much about the universe if we don't live forever.......

See this text found at ecclesiastes 3:11....
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English Standard Version (©2001)
He has made everything beautiful in its time.
Also, he has put eternity into man’s heart, yet
so that he cannot find out what God has done
from the beginning to the end.
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Why can't you just agree that a powerful being and force is behind all the wonders scientists are seeing and soon to see...??....

Why should i believe that it is a being, why not beings, what if the being created and is already dead or the beings created and ran away?. . .Why are you quoting the bible?. . .I can quote from better books that explain the universe much more than the bible. . .You talked about the DNA do the writers of the bible know anyting about DNA?. . .

How can you see the hands of the creator??...is he not a spirit??....so you been dey expect to see hand??.........

Who is in charge of this natural forces??...mazaje where and how did they come about??......

Brother , i said i don't know but i won't go about making things up as a result of my ignorance. . .

All are created by God to serve which ever purpose he deems fit.......

Those forces aren't a product of chance......

How do you know that it is not as a result of chance?. . .

Freksy: Don't forget that it's my last post on page 5 you keep trying unsuccessfully to disprove. As often as you do, so you display a great deal of incapability in different styles. Are you thinking the post has been deleted? So long!

Your last post is the making of the guy whose work you posted, it does NOT appear in the bible, what appears in the bible are words life firmament and god placing the sun , moon and stars in them, but to your witer it means oygen rich atmosphre, rays of ligt reaching the earth, clouds of dust etc, some thing the bible neve mentions. . .Where in the bible can i find any of what you posted pls? Show me. . .

Adam and Eve?. . .Are you Jews?. . .Why the hell are Nigerians believing in some Jewish mythical ancestral story?. . .Again , I repeat are you Jews?. . .

lekkie073: Our juju actually failed which buttresses my proposition that not all supernatural forces have an advantage over the natural.... The whites brought bombs and canons which our priests' supernatural powers could not withstand. QED!

really, i thought they said the had the ability to disappear, or turn into birds and fly away?. . .Read Lord Luggard's book and his testimony of what he saw , he narrated how one juju priest REALLy believed he could turn them into some kind of animals when they came cos he was hiding some criminal inside his shrine which was a sacred place. . .After reciting his incantations, the juju preist was arrested and locked up. Nothing happend. people tie animal skins and charge towards them, all that chaaged towards them with the animal skins tied round their waist ended up dead or seriously injured. . .People should STOP watching Yoruba films, nothing portrayed there is real or ever happens in real life, it is pure FICTION, people just believe that because they see something on TV it must be real even when its in a home drama series or movie. . .

dare2think: One would have thought that the above alone would make sense to our JujU Proponents.

*We are all speaking and writing in 'English' today because our juju failed to protect us from foriegn Invaders*

Not just only speaking and writig english but also practicing their religion and worshiping their god. . .if our juju was real, they would have been worshiping our gods, bearing our names and speaking our languages. . .

true2god: Look there is a yoruba proverb that says 'omode ti o'mo ogun, ton pe lefo', meaning a child does not know a sacrifice but called it a vegetable soup. U neva knw anything at all, just like a baby in esoteric world. 'kini omode e mo? ', what does a kid know. Nothing!

Your yoruba ancestors with all their jazz were conqured by the white man, no? What does an adult that believes in mytholgy know?. ..Nothing. .

true2god: Tell me the research u hav done so far. Go through the 3 assignments i gav u guys on my post, do the reasearch den come tell us the outcome. R u frm Germany by the way to say jazz is fake. Even a German will never tell u jazz is fake.

Drop your email address. Germans do not believe in juju nonsense, else they would have been where Nigeria is, back ward , underdeveloped,ignorant and superstitious. . . .

Tinyemeka: Oyibo learner. Tell me how to get an uncracked egg into a bottle. Or a wooden crucifix.

Its obvious you have not been following the thread. . .

true2god: Im shocked hearing pple say dey dont believe in the power or the existence of the supernatural. Supernatural power is as common as water, pple may chose not to believe.

If u dnt believe in the power of the supernatural, visit igbo-ogunu juction at somolu, in lagos state nigeria by 1am on tuesdays, ur life will never remain the same. Or visit any cemetary at night, if u can, and witness stunts for ursef.

There is NO supernatural that has ever been demonstrated any where. . .I have done sooooooo much personal research for myself..when i was loosing my faith in god and in religion i was almost running mad, and wanted to see any evidence of the supernatural at work, i slept in a cemetry and nothing happened, you can give ma any cemetrary of your choice and i will go and sleep there, the only condition is that i will come with my mosquito net because i wouldn't want what happened last time to happen again, the mosquitoes really messed me up real bad. . . .

99% percent of natural\spiritual occurence can never be explained by science, and wat science cant explain they term it 'tricks'. Our African believe system alone testify to the power of the supernatural, thats y we have herbalists, native doctors, traditional priests etc, long before the europeans come to Africa.

Supernatural powers is very real, i have seen many.

Just hope that you know, one of the MAIN rerasons we are christians and muslims today and threw away our traditional religion and beliefs was because the white people were able to show us that our juju beliefs were all useless and impotent, they showed it to our ancestors live. . .They went into the evil forest the people were afraid of going into, destroyed the shrines, killed some of the most respected and powerful priest, demonized our beliefs and religions, took all the gods, there are many gods or symbol of gods laying in the british mesuem as we speak, symbols of revered gods people used to think were so powerful. The whites came enslaved many, banished many , destroyed many shrines, took away the gods as relics and forced the people against their wish to convert to christianity. . .

Where was the juju when white men came to our shores(remember juju was the only thing we knew then). . .If juju is real, the white mean would have been speaking igbo, yoruba and idoma by now. . .The white man would have been answering names like Obi, Ayodele and Osaze instead of us speaking their language , practicing their religion and answering their names. . .JUJU IS A MYTH. . .PLSSSSSSSSSSSS READ THE BOOK OF LORD LUGGARD where he gave his honest and sincere thoughts about what he saw in Nigeria when he first came and his thoughts on the JUJ the people used and how they tried to use the juju against them and how it ALL FAILED. . .

mkmyers45: 10,000 what? Anyway maza where d tin go go down na?

I will let you know, if you wan attend you sef go come see am. . .

FOLYKAZE: Nobody is talking about surviving a Hit or not. What I am saying is penetration. Get your gun and make the arrangement. These are the option that will happen on the day, it either your gun burst and you get hit, or your gun stop working as you point it to your target or your miss target continuously (the bullet fly to another direction) or it hit the target and wont penetrate. If you doubt this, get your pals, camera and gun. You can make the show happens.

And I am saying that I will come with my gun, the target will stay not far away from me, say 2 meters away from me, my gun will not jam and when I shoot at the target(arm or leg) the bullet MUST penetrate. . .

FOLYKAZE: Im not arguing that what purist and Jayriginal posted on people eating bottle and Iron is a joke, I have watched stuff like that on tv and youtube. I even have a dvd containing records of men doing great things on guiness record.

But this of gun, im 100% sure. You can email me on folykaze@yahoo.com

Thanks so much, I will send you an email once I get to Nigeria by the end of the month, I will have some business to take care of that might take 2 weeks of my time but after 2 weeks say by 10th of june there about I will have your time and we will do this. . .Thanks once again. . .

FOLYKAZE: I have watched people eating Iron in on Gunniess record. But this im saying about gun is very sure. I witnessed it seeing guys shouting themselves so as to test this voodoo. Mazaje might say that the gun used is empty bullet gun which just make loud sound. But this same gun was used to kill a goat. The goat was torn into pieces. Im not arguing that it supernatural. Only that I cant explain how this thing work. Like we have the bullet proof vest, this can be seem to be supernatural if not fully understand when compared to those hell weight bullet proof jacket used by our policemen. I dont care about your or anybody's money. If you want prove about this, come straight down to Ondo. Or make any arrangement where we can meet in south west, and you shoot which ever gun you come with. The option you going to have is either the gun wont penetrate the skin, or the gun will stop working when you point it to your target (whenever you turn it to something else, it will work fine again), or the gun burst and hit you from the back. I dare you this

People eating iron and metal is NOT a new things, its very common, read up what purist and Jayriginal have posted about it. . .As for the goat been killed, it isn't a big deal. . .They can load real bullets when they want to test it on the goat and use blanks when they want to test it on themselves. . .There is no difference between a real bullet and some blank bullets they have the same look . . .I take up your challenge. . .drop your email address, when I come to Nigeria at the end of the month we will do that experiment. . .I will drop the 10,000 euros if it works and am NOT kidding. . .

Toluwarni: Like I said before, you're already programmed not to accept whatever I say.. Even if I bring a video, you'll provide a twist to it, If I talk, you'll provide another twist.. Supernatural Beings exists... Believe it or Not.. I can provide a link to a video, where a pastor prayed for an Owl to die, and it died Instantly... Even if I bring it, you'll still provide another twist.. So is there any need?

Bring it lets examine it. . .Pls bring a video of any man whose penissss has been made to vanish. . .I the world of youtube and camera phoes such prevalent news should have been recorded many times and posted on the internet. . .But no, na so so, dem say dem say. . .Nonsense!

tosyne09: Professor : You are a Christian,
aren’t you,
son ?
Student : Yes, sir.
Professor: So, you believe in GOD ?
Student : Absolutely, sir.
Professor : Is GOD good ?
Student : Sure.
Professor: Is GOD all powerful ?
Student : Yes.
Professor: My brother died of cancer
even
though he
prayed to GOD to heal him. Most of us
would
attempt
to help others who are ill. But GOD
didn’t. How
is this
GOD good then? Hmm?
(Student was silent.)
Professor: You can’t answer, can
you ? Let’s
start
again, young fella. Is GOD good?
Student : Yes.
Professor: Is satan good ?
Student : No.
Professor: Where does satan come
from ?
Student : From … GOD …
Professor: That’s right. Tell me son,
is there
evil in this
world?
Student : Yes.
Professor: Evil is everywhere, isn’t
it ? And
GOD did
make everything. Correct?
Student : Yes.
Professor: So who created evil ?
(Student did not answer.)
Professor: Is there sickness?
Immorality?
Hatred?
Ugliness? All these terrible things
exist in the
world,
don’t they?
Student : Yes, sir.
Professor: So, who created them ?
(Student had no answer.)
Professor: Science says you have 5
Senses you
use to
identify and observe the world around
you.
Tell me, son,
have you ever seen GOD?
Student : No, sir.
Professor: Tell us if you have ever
heard your
GOD?
Student : No , sir.
Professor: Have you ever felt your
GOD, tasted
your
GOD, smelt your GOD? Have you ever
had any
sensory
perception of GOD for that matter?
Student : No, sir. I’m afraid I
haven’t.
Professor: Yet you still believe in Him?
Student : Yes.
Professor : According to Empirical,
Testable,
Demonstrable Protocol, Science says
your GOD
doesn’t
exist. What do you say to that, son?
Student : Nothing. I only have my faith.
Professor: Yes, faith. And that is the
problem
Science
has.
Student : Professor, is there such a
thing as
heat?
Professor: Yes.
Student : And is there such a thing as
cold?
Professor: Yes.
Student : No, sir. There isn’t.
(The lecture theater became very quiet
with
this turn of
events.)
Student : Sir, you can have lots of
heat, even
more heat,
superheat, mega heat, white heat, a
little heat
or no
heat. But we don’t have anything
called cold.
We can
hit 458 degrees below zero which is no
heat,
but we
can’t go any further after that. There
is no
such thing
as cold. Cold is only a word we use to
describe the
absence of heat. We cannot measure
cold.
Heat is
energy. Cold is not the opposite of
heat, sir,
just the
absence of it.
(There was pin-drop silence in the
lecture
theater.)
Student : What about darkness,
Professor? Is
there such
a thing as darkness?
Professor: Yes. What is night if there
isn’t
darkness?
Student : You’re wrong again, sir.
Darkness is
the
absence of something. You can have
low light,
normal
light, bright light, flashing light. But if
you
have no light
constantly, you have nothing and its
called
darkness,
isn’t it? In reality, darkness isn’t. If
it is, well
you would
be able to make darkness darker,
wouldn’t
you?
Professor: So what is the point you are
making, young
man ?
Student : Sir, my point is your
philosophical
premise is
flawed.
Professor: Flawed ? Can you explain
how?
Student : Sir, you are working on the
premise
of duality.
You argue there is life and then there
is
death, a good
GOD and a bad GOD. You are viewing
the
concept of
GOD as something finite, something we
can
measure.
Sir, Science can’t even explain a
thought. It
uses
electricity and magnetism, but has
never seen,
much
less fully understood either one. To
view
death as the
opposite of life is to be ignorant of the
fact
that death
cannot exist as a substantive thing.
Death is not the opposite of life: just
the
absence of it.
Now tell me, Professor, do you teach
your
students that
they evolved from a monkey?
Professor: If you are referring to the
natural
evolutionary process, yes, of course, I
do.
Student : Have you ever observed
evolution
with your
own eyes, sir?
(The Professor shook his head with a
smile,
beginning
to realize where the argument was
going.)
Student : Since no one has ever
observed the
process of
evolution at work and cannot even
prove that
this
process is an on-going endeavor. Are
you not
teaching
your opinion, sir? Are you not a
scientist but a
preacher?
(The class was in uproar.)
Student : Is there anyone in the class
who has
ever seen
the Professor’s brain?
(The class broke out into laughter. )
Student : Is there anyone here who has
ever
heard the
Professor’s brain, felt it, touched or
smelt it?
No one
appears to have done so. So, according
to the
established Rules of Empirical, Stable,
Demonstrable
Protocol, Science says that you have
no brain,
sir. With
all due respect, sir, how do we then
trust your
lectures,
sir?
(The room was silent. The Professor
stared at
the
student, his face unfathomable.)
Professor: I guess you’ll have to
take them on
faith,
son.
Student : That is it sir … Exactly ! The
link
between man
& GOD is FAITH. That is all that keeps
things
alive and
moving.
P.S.
I believe you have enjoyed the
conversation.
And if so,
you’ll probably want your friends /
colleagues
to enjoy
the same, won’t you?
Forward this to increase their
knowledge …
or FAITH.
By the way, that student was EINSTEIN.

Stop spreading falsehood. . .Einstien NEVER had such a conversation with any body, it is just a made up legend flying all over the internet written byu a christian apologist some where. . .

Toluwarni: Like I said before, there's nothing I"ll say, that will make you believe me... You said I should bring a video, First of all, I was using an E50 then, the one without a camera.... I've seen things to be sincere.. So many things, a friend of mine who claimed to be a wizard, threw and apple in the air, and it disappeared point blank... I didn't take my eyes off the apple..

You are lying, simple. . .if you want us to believe you then provide evidence or shut up. . .Them say, them say, i saw and i hear. . .No evidence but words alone. . What are we to do with your words?. . .Provide evidence or remain a liar. . Why is it that no video evidence has EVER been provided for the disappearing penissssss tale even though it is prevalent in our backward and superstition society?. . .The video does not exist any where because the event has never happened. . .Hope you know that even white people actually used to believe in the myth before?. . .

emmanbol: I honestly watchd all dis stuffs from emmanuel tv. Check http://scoan.org click prophecies and u will get som of d information. Or probably enter youtube and check out tb joshua's prophecies. Supernatural is real and d understanding of Jesus is real in d realm of spirit. Two days ago wit d understandin of jesus and d power in his name, I forbid a bird from stayin in a particular place and since then, it hasnt come.

They are not prophecies because he never mentions the names of any city or the actual event. . .For example he says things like, lets pray against terrorist attack. . .He sees terrorist attacking one of the big nations soon, any body can say that because we all know that terrorist are always trying to attack the west. . .You will NEVER hear him say something like, I see the united states coming under attack next month by two terrorist on so or so date and day. . .Or I see the city of Boston coming under terrorist attack. . .He just makes general vague statements. . .if it was UK or Russia that was attacked his followers will claim that he had predicted it already. . .He never mentioned Boston specifically , so why are people saying he predicted the Boston attack?. . .He never said the month or the date it will happen. . .Just some vague talk and people are jumping all over the place saying that he prophesied of coming events i can also do. . .

Toluwarni: All these Atheists dey argue mumu argument, I witnessed a guys joystick disappear in 2008 just because he picked N500... I was there life.. So abeg, na magic be that I've seen things, I've heard testimonies from close relatives... Well, There's nothing we theists can say that will convince you Muzzcunts.. Believe or Not.. Its your choice

You saw his penissss disappear?. . .Where is the evidence? You are a liar, stop lying. . .We need a video recording of such. . .

emmanbol: sorry,
wetin im dey do? He prophecied d bombing in boston USA. It came to pass, he described d death of kaduna state governor b4 it happend, he gave how nigeria player wud score wit his head towards d dying minute in which John fashanu came to testify to, he already watched dis event supernaturally by God before it happend so how can u explain this. Re dis natural, if they re, me and others need some explanations

It is all a lie, pls bring the said videos of the "prophecies" lets examine them. . . .

emmanbol: Sorry o, wetin we go talk about prophecies too. Our tb joshua dey prophecy and d tin dey happen whether wil be lieve it or not. Where in dey get am abi any person go fit explain am. Just my sincere comment.

TB Joshua doesn't predict anything at all. . .