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Freksy: The bible has never said the universe came about in 7 days. Can you point to any statement or verse that suggests that? The first part of Genesis indicates that the earth could have existed for billions of years before the first Genesis "day," though it does not say for how long. However, it does describe what earth's condition was just before that first "day" began.
Many consider the word "day" used in Gen. 1 to mean 24 hrs. However, in Gen. 1:5 God himself is said to divide day into a smaller period of time, calling just the light portion "day". In Gen.2:4 all the creative periods are called one "day":

The bible gave a detailed account of how god created everything in seven days. . . Whether it is 7 periods or 7 normal days, the details are all there for all to see. . .How can god divide day and night?. . .What causes day and night if not the sun?. . .can you see how meaningless your assertion is?. . .What divides day and night if not the sun?. . .Is your god now the sun?. . .Even if we are to go with your creative period the bible still remains a mythical creation narrative that is very false. . .

"These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created , in the day (all the creative periods) that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens ," - Gen 2:4
The Hebrew word "yohm", translated "day", can mean different lengths of time. It would seem reasonable that the "day" of Genesis could likewise have embraced long periods of time - millenniums. The account indicates that the creative process continued throughout a period of, not just 144 hours (6 x 24), but over many millenniums of time.

It still doesn't matter. . .If it means day or periods. . .

"'Let light come to be.' Then there came to be light. And God began calling the light Day, but the darkness he called Night. And there came to be evening and there came to be morning, a first day."—Genesis 1:3, 5.
Gen. 1:3 does not announce the birth of the sun or other luminaries. The sun and moon were in outer space long before this first "day," but their light did not reach the surface of the earth for an earthly observer to see. Now, light evidently came to be visible on earth on this first "day," and the rotating earth began to have alternating days and nights.

Only that you are lying and distorting what the bible is saying. . .From the bible. . .

Gen1:16 And God made two great lights; the greater light(sun) to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night(moon): he made the stars also.
Gen 1:17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
Gen 1:1 8 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
Gen 1:19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

If you can read as i assume you can you can see it says VERY clearly that the sun, moon and stars were all created on the fourth day of creation placed in the elusive firmament and they were all created to give light upon the earth. . .All the stuff you wrote about rotating earth and light travel is your OWN making it does NOT appear any where in the bible and remain your own lies. . .I really prefer the YEC that take it as they see it or the apologist that will tell you its an allegory that people that will come about lying through their teeth and keep repeating what was never said. . .Sun and moon in outer space long before the first day according to your lies, but the bible VERY clearly says there were created on the fourth day. . .Or are we reading from two different bibles?. . .

Apparently, the light came in a gradual process, extending over a long period of time, not instantaneously as when you turn on an electric light bulb. The Genesis rendering by translator J. W. Watts reflects this when it says: "And gradually light came into existence." This light was from the sun, but the sun itself could not be seen through the overcast. Hence, the light that reached earth was light diffused.

The J.W translation is an apologetic nonsense. . .And non of what you have written here appears in the bible, the bible reading is very clear, sun, moon and stars were all created on the fourth day of creation and placed in the elusive firmament to give light unto the earth. . .Lie all you want but that is what was written in the bible. . .Light from the sun , eh?. . .How can it be light from the sun when it says the sun was created on the fourth day of creation after the earth was already existing?. . .

On the first "day" diffused light evidently penetrated the swaddling bands, but the sources of that light (sun, other stars and the moon) could not have been seen by an earthly observer because of the cloud layers still enveloping the earth. Now, on this fourth "day," things apparently changed. Had there been an earthly observer, he would be able to discern the sun, moon and stars, which would "serve as signs and for seasons and for days and years." (Genesis 1:14) The moon would indicate the passing of lunar months, and the sun the passing of solar years. They were only visible, but not created on the fourth creative day.

Why do you guys love LYING SO MUCH?. . .Its disgusting. . .the way you guys just throw the bible and keep making it to say things it NEVER says is disgusting. . .They were only visible but not created according to your own lies, right?. . .

From the bible. . .

Gen 1:16 And God made two great lights; the greater light(sun) to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night(moon): he made the stars also

Gen 1:17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
Gen 1:1 8 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.

Gen 1:19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day

It clearly says the sun, moon and stars were made(created) on the fourth day of creation, already the grasses were already created in the earth on the 3rd day of creation, the firmament was already created on the second day of creation, now the sun, moon and stars were set in the firmament on the fourth day of creation after they were created . . .Keep lying for Jesus. . .By the way what is a firmament and how can the sun, moon and stars be placed in any firmament?. . .Are the sun , moon and stars in any firmament?. . .

Genesis creation account is as correct as mazaje is a humankind. Those who dismiss it as myth or allegory are very ignorant. The account is in harmony with the discoveries of modern science.

Genesis creation account is as correct as the creation account to be found in the verders or any of the japaness and chinese creation myths. . .You are ONLY trying to lie through your teeth to make scientific discoveries rhyme with the genesis creation myth, but saying that the bible does not really mean what it says, or that was was written does not mean what was written but something else according to your own lies and spin. . .

Questions for you: Does observable evidence show that undirected explosion can result in better organization? Do the bombs that fall on cities in wartime produce superbly designed buildings, streets and signs with traffic laws? What does experience by the Japanese cities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki in 1945 show?

What has this got to do with the mythical creation account in genesis that says the earth was created before the sun and starts?. . .keep spinning and lying to yourself. . .Those that are honest just take it as it was written(YEC), those that know it doesn't agree with reality say it is an allegory. . .

Ihedinobi: Well, if that is what a catholic is, then a catholic is not necessarily a Christian, since a Christian is a human bring who has the Spirit of Christ. I am quite sure though that catholics can be Christians and Christians catholics, but the two are not the same per your definition.

Therefore, your doing all three did not make you a Christian.

What is the spirit of christ?. . .We can test this, no?. . .Do you have the spirit of christ?. . .The bible promised those that believe in jesus the ability to do greater things than he(jesus) did, we were told he was a wonderful magicain and miracle worker that went about healing people, including unbelievers. . .If you have the spirit of christ then you should be able to do greater things then he did as promised, no?. . .You should be able to show us that you have the spirit of christ, no?. . .

Freksy: I like that question up there. In his post i think he mentioned "Christian apologists" ... Lol.


The more many try to disprove Genesis 1:1, the more they prove that the heaven and the earth can't be the products of one undirected/unguided explosion, but were carefully designed.

Genesis 1.1 is actually not supported by observable evidence. . .Are you trying to say that the earth was created at the begining of the universe?. . .The universe is 13 billion years old while the earth is just 4 billion years old, how were the two created together in the begining?. . .

ckkris: Sir, if you DESIRE TO LEARN, I, will TEACH you. Or continue to wallow and suffer in your ignorance. ITK in Nigeria means I too know. But I want you to be like Moses, and the Metallurgic Engineers that worked with him.
Sir, do you want to know about the constellations, and how they affect the earth?
I de laugh in Hebrew.

These things were known and written about before the bible was written down. Where did moses claim authorship of any book in the bible?

ckkris: I dont have issues with the Jews. But if you say Moses didn't write Genesis, may be na you write'm. We're discussing TIME. Did Moses define seconds or not? Is that definition the FOUNDATION OF SCIENCE? How many things have you fully mastered, how much more the linkage that Moses established, between eternity and the temporal. Tempo is time. Stop worshipping Satan, its not good for your well-being.

Where did Moses say he wrote any book in the bible?. . .Where in the bibe was seconds and minutes mentioned?. . .You still don't wanna touch the fact that the bible said the earth was created before the sun and stars, no?. . .

ckkris: ha ha ha ha ha
How do you have day and night if the earth isn't spherical?
And for the seasons? Ha ha ha ha
Look, Prophet Moses had REVELATIONS far beyond your Egyptian mummies.
Hey, these things were written, not for satanists, can't you see ?
Please I'm enjoying this weekend, and days, and years, how many days did Noses say make a year?
Yeye satan worshippers.

Ask the person that wrote the genesis creation myth. I can see that you don't want the part where it also says the sun and stars were created after the earth was created. . .According to the writer of the creation myth in the bible,lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night, what the hell is that?. . .By the way Moses did NOT write the anything in genesis. . .The two creation accounts in genesis 1 and 2 were written by two different authours. . .You are way to deluded. . .Who is satan?. . .isn't he said to be the enemey of your imaginary god of israel?. . .You are a fool. . .You are notr ashamed of worshipping an imaginary entity called the god of the jews, are you are jew. . foool. . .

ckkris: Jehovah created time. That's why Moses is the first SCIENTIST to DEFINE time, even in seconds, and the Revolution of the spherical earth, within galaxies, in Genesis 1:14, not as an Egyptian Scientist, but as the Prophet of The Most High, the God of Israel.
This info is only for those who desire The Truth. And there are more.

Shut up and stop lying. . .

Gen 1: 14And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:

Gen 1:15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.

Gen 1:16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day(sun), and the lesser light to rule the night(moon): he made the stars also.

Nothing is the nonsense above talks about galaxies or a spherical earth, you remain a liar. . .what it actually says is very false because, it says the earth was created and was already in existence with plants and water in it before the sun and stars were created on the fourth day of creation. . .That assertion is a lie. . .

truthislight: I dont know where you get your information from(maybe you have to verify the more).

When i read the bible, the first thing i see is this :

"In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth." (Genesis 1:1).
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You see this and you also see a detailed 7 days account of creation, by the way the earth and the universe(assuming the heavens means the universe) where NOT created at the same time, many stars and galaxies came into existence before our own sun, which came before our own planet. . .No heaven and earth were created any were together in any begining. . .It is false. . .

what i understand by that is the creation of earth and the expands above (heaven) it.

Like the bible says the "birds of the heavens", do this birds fly in outter space? No.

Only that the bible talks about how god created "everything", it talks about the creation of the sun, stars and everyhing. . .And it says the earth was created before them. . .

I dont know why you wish to belief that an account of the creation to Jews 4k years ago was talking about outter space instead of their known evironment. curious

What is this drivel?. . .Didn't you see where they said their god created the sun and stars at the same time, and where they also said the earth was in existence before the sun and stars?. . .

So you believe that all the Jews of that time had and were educated on knowledge of the outter space right?

Lol.

They weren't educated about outer space that is why they got everything wrong. . .You don't believe they were educated about outer space yet you believe they are educated to know what happens to you when you die, eh?. . .If the bible is wrong on things that we know, like history and science, why then should any one trust it on things we do not know, things like what happens after death?. . .

When you come round, you can Rephrase or ask me question with scripture specific quotes of the falsity of the bible.

*though the bible is not a science text book, when it touches on science it is spot on*

this is a time the bible was talking about outter space at Job 38:31-33.

It was in the form of a question to Job as to things he or humans of that time did not know.(talking about Constellations and asking if they can be brought into the earth).

Ciao.

What is this drivel?. . .Is it not the same bible that talks about the sun moving round the earth?. . .is it not the same bible that talks about stars falling into the earth?. . .What exactly are you talking about?. . .The bible tried to run into the fleid of astronomy and it falied completely, so much so that you your self have aknowledged. . .The only thing is that you are trying to say the bible does not mean what it says, another dubious tactics you guys use all the time. . .By the way the ancient greeks knew much more about the constellations (and wrote about them) than the ancient jews. . .

1 I lift up my eyes to the mountains—
where does my help come from?
2 My help comes from the Lord,
the Maker of heaven and earth.

3 He will not let your foot slip—
he who watches over you will not slumber;
4 indeed, he who watches over Israel
will neither slumber nor sleep.

5 The Lord watches over you—
the Lord is your shade at your right hand;
6 the sun will not harm you by day,
nor the moon by night.

7 The Lord will keep you from all harm—
he will watch over your life;
8 the Lord will watch over your coming and going
both now and forevermore.
psalms 121

What are christians to make of all these verses that promise them help and protection from all kinds of harm and evil?. . .

This one had me laughing out loud. . .

ckkris: It stopped when I figured out that Logic Whatever, may be a frustrated person, seeking company in cyberspace, and would provoke all kinds of discussion in order to get attention. Churches are growing in Nigeria, and only a few people have time to waste to entertain just one ilLogical worshipper of Satan, that pretends not to believe in anything.

LOL!. . .Engaging people like this is like talking to a chair. . .

truthislight: Ah!

You again?

This time dont west my time.



Ok, do well this time and dont struggle.

Dont exposed your ignorance.

Dont tell lies.

Now, start proving your claims that the bible "contain outright FALSE hood".

Please do.

Am waiting.

We can start on the very first page, the 7 day creation account is VERY false, the universe did NOT come about the way the bible said it was created in 7 days by Yahweh. . .According to the bible the earth was in existence with water in it before all the stars were created, it says the earth was created before the sun, it also says the sun and the moon were created on the same day. . .It says stars were being created to give light unto the earth. . .All these are VERY false. The sun and its gravitational force was actually what lead to the creation of the earth and all the other planets. . .Without the sun there would have been nothing in our solar system. . .The sun came first before every other thing in our solar system and it is what keeps the solar system together. . .The earth did NOT come before the sun. . .

Now we have very powerful telescopes like the Hubble space telescopes and the Kepler space telescopes, these space observatories have shown us how planets from other distant solar systems were created, the sun(star) always comes first, usually from a supernova, then the planets form afterward, its actually the sun's(star) gravitational pull on the surrounding dust and debris that creates the planets, these are things that can be seen. . .Many of the stars out there came into existence long before our own sun came into existence because many of them are older than our own sun which is also a star, unlike the bible that falsely states that the earth was created before the stars and the stars were created to give light to the earth, the stars are also suns and many have earth like planets revolving round them, and they number in trillions of billions and were not created to give light to the earth, just like the earth was not created to give light to any other earth like plant in our galaxy take the earth away and the universe will still remain the way it is. . .Even the best christian apologist have now relegated the genesis creation account into the realm of mythology, they now regard at as an allegory, because of observable evidence, when the genesis myth was written it was never written as an allegory. . .The first page of the bible begins with a false creation account that was been shown to be false by observable evidence, even christian apologist agree and say the genesis creation account is an allegory. . .

striktlymi: I would have spared some time to teach you a bit about Sacred scriptures and how to approach it if I'd thought it would help but guy I no get that power cause it would only lead to more arguments that are struggling to find the point.

LOL!. . .Nothing do you my man. . .

striktlymi: Your opinion again...

I have read a number of write-ups and posts here on nairaland about the so-called contradictions, lies etc of sacred scriptures and after reviewing their claims I can't but wonder how what I can profer simple answers to despite not being a theologian can't be deciphered by those who lay these accusations.

Fact, a lot of things in the bible are NOT historical. . .Historians and archaeologist have pointed that out many many times, christian apologist then claim it is an allegory. . .We can even begin with the creation account in genesis, even leading christian apologist know that it is false and have now resulted to saying that it is an allegory. . .it was actually never written as an allegory. . .

striktlymi: You continue making assertions without proof...if you believe that they lied, how does that constitute proof?

That is your faith man not proof.

There is a pattern to it, they were all lying and creating things of of their own minds. . .Even the books they claim to have been inspired by divine revelation all contains outright falsehoods. . .The so called divine revelations i.e the bible, koran, verders, egyptian book of the dead etc all contains outright lies and falsehoods. . .They are all the ideas and stories written by men. . .

Logicboy03: Ah yes, the bible holding two contradictory doctrines


-ihedinobi; The bible says that God will allow us go through tribulations before going to heaven. If so be that we suffer with him, that we may also be glorified with him


-crazyman; The bible says that God will save us from tribulations as long as we pray with faith unto him. Ask and ye shall be given

all views supported by the bible. . .the thing is the bible was written by people that each hold different ideas and conception of who god is or should be to them. . .hence the endless contradiction. . .To some of hem god is spiteful, vengeful and fierce, while to some of them he is loving, kind and a father figure that will always protect his own. . .

striktlymi: Nah men...first assertion was that God does not exist and to this day you have not provided any proof to this...

Another assertion was that God is an idea created by man...you just went on to tell us the people Yahweh first revealed himself to after the fall of man and nothing else...this is an evidence to the question: 'who started the worship of yahweh' and not an evidence to your assertion of "Yahweh is a creation of man"...So Mazaje when I say you have know shred of evidence I say that with the capitals: NO!!!

Yahweh revealed himself to a group of people or a group of people lied, made up stories and said that some god idea they created visited them? After all, Allah also revealed himself to Mohammed in a cave, no?. . .The good Shiver also revealed herself to the ancient hindus, no?. . .What about the god zeus? he also revealed himself to the ancient greeks, according to the ancient romans, the god sol fought their battles with them. . .He was with them we they conquered the jews and their god. . . .

what am i trying to say here, all i am trying to say is that the god idea is man made and exist only inform of stories written by men, that is why we have different cultures and society making different claims about different god ideas they invented. . .

The way yahweh revealed himself to the ancient jews is the same way xenu revealed himself to the founder of the scientology religion and took him to another planet. . .Go read it up in the divine book of scientology. . ..

striktlymi: At least the above make some sense out of the lot.

Now apply it to yourself and the assertions you have made!

All the assertions i made I provided evidence for them, yahweh is a god idea created by the ancient jews, zues the ancient greeks, sol the ancient roman god of war , ra the ancient egyptian sun god etc. . .Show me a god that that is not an idea created by humans. . . .

LOL at Ihedinobi and crazyman

Deep Sight: At its most intrinsic and basic level, that is indeed what the God idea is - that eternal thing that pre-exists and creates. This is agreed on by all theists. Details and qualifications are a matter of understanding and culture.

And logically, it could not be otherwise.

I might also add that this is particularly the case with reference to PURE theistic-atheistic discussions where the issue is the existence of God and not necessarily his idiosyncrasies.

I am an atheist and yet am still opened to the possiblity of the universe having a creator or creators. . .What we don't know remains, unknown. . .If there is anything that will give us a full explanation of how the universe came about or what brought it about, science is what will do that and not the primitive religions. . .Man made gods and religions are all man made. . .That is my position. ..

truthislight: ^

Errm! Well, did you call me?

Did you say the bible is your middle name? erm No. I mean, what were you trying to say with the bible sef?

Am listening.

Nope, the bible is your saw name. . .

striktlymi: [i]The way people go about Atheism, it has become a man made religion which has at its very heart the worship of individual ego...[/i]you see how easy it is to express an opinion? Calling your opinion fact does not make it a fact.

The problem is that you can not even show that anything I have stated is wrong or false. . .Is your god not the invention of ancient jews and their superstitions?. . .What about the gods vishnu, thor and zeus?. . .

Another opinion!

Again you can't show how the statement is wrong in any way. .It doesn't take fate to know that your god was created or invented by the ancient jews, just as it doesn't take faith to know that allah is a creation of the ancient arabs or zeus the creation of the ancient greeks. . .

After you finish showing us how he does not exist.

You want me to prove your assetion for you?. . .You said a first cause exist and it is uncaused. .How do you know this?. . .saying something doesn't make it true, you will have to show it. . .Ok, I say you are lying about the existence of a first cause, can you show me that you are not?. . .

I have already demonstrated that the above is not the case. Something need not be able to be tested for it to be true.

For something to be true it must pass a threshold, god is as presented by theist is a testable hypothesis. . .Do your believe in a god that answwers prayers or performs miracles?. . .All these are testable hypothesis. . Its funny how theist keep pushing their god to the realm of the unknown. . .From the god that used to speak to humans and address them through public speech to the god that performs miracles, now god is just the creator of the universe alone. . .

I hear you! Can you tell us how you came to be?

My parents coupulated and i was formed. . .How does my existence mean or proof god?. . .Your existence proves evolution, no?. . .

Opinion man! Simply your opinion!!

Again, you can not show that the statement is false. . .I asked if you believe the bible is the word of god?. .

Rossikk: Not just your family, but the COUNTRY you were born in influences your religious leaning.

If you'd been born and raised in China, and a christian walked up to you and tried to convert you, it would seem every bit as strange and unworkable as the idea of a Shintoist or Buddhist walking into your presence right now and trying to do the same.

This is what makes it so ridiculous - this idea that only if you follow a certain religion, will you attain ''salvation''. Why would any goat, much more an Intelligent Creator, make salvation dependent on a person's nationality? Anyone who believes that needs a serious re-think.

Word!!

striktlymi: In summary...you don't know whether God exist or not...cool!!! Like I mentioned before, expressing an opinion about something is different from proving it. The fact that an individual chooses to make a God for himself does not in any way prove that there is no God..

It is not an opinion but a statement of fact. . .Every group have created their own god, even the god you worship is the god the jews created, his name is a hebrew name and he is the god of the jews or the god of israel. . .He was created by the ancient jews as a means of explanation and justification for many other things. . .According to them he told them to kill others and take their land that was flowing with milk and honey. . .He also fought along side them. . .The arabs have their own god called allah. ancient greeks had their own pantheon of gods which they created, same with the indians, they have their own gods. . .And created a religion called hinduism. . .All gods are man made show me a god that exist on its own independent of human creation or invention. .

I guess you did not see the point in my dance earlier? It was actually meant to point out to you that you do exactly the same thing that you accuse the religious of doing...I hold a belief that there is God...you hold the belief that there is no God...my belief that there is God is based on faith because there is no objective proof...your belief that there is no God is based on faith cause it also does not have an objective proof...

Again it does not take faith to show that all gods are man made and a human creation. . .Show me a god that exist on its own independent of human creation. . .Even the god you believe is was created by the ancient jews. . .We were told he once lived with them and fought along side them. . .In their many many mythical stories, which they invented and wrote down. . .No faith is required to show that all gods are man made. . .

You asked for a definition of God...here it is:

God is the first cause who jump-started the 'process' without himself being caused.

Ok. . .Can you show how such a first exist?. . .

All that we are experiencing today has some start-off point...I really do not mind if you guys choose to say that some force set the ball rolling...

Start of point means god?. . .God then means. answered prayers, miracles, loving relationship with humans, heaven, hell etc?. . .Hope you know that all these claims can be tested if they were true. . .

The bottom line is that something or someone started all this and that something or someone is who I call the first cause or simply put: God!!! If you want evidence then, you are the evidence you seek...unless you want to say that you do not exist then my evidence can be put in the thrash bin.

I am evidence that I exist, what I see around is evidence for the environment and NOT for god. . .If god exist then that hypothesis is a scientific hypothesis, it can be tested. . .

The above is still your opinion man and you have a right to it.

It is a statement of fact and not an opinion. . .

Deep Sight: Because something cannot emerge from nothing, as we have said a zillion times. As such, since things exist, then there logically exists something permanent, from which things exist. That is simple logic and makes perfect sense. That permanent something is what people call God in different languages, period.

That is not true. . .God is not just the permarnent thing that is assumed to exist. . .The universe is NOT the human society and it must not function as one. . .God does not mean the creator alone to people, he answers prayers, performs miracles, saves people, loves people, etc. . .This is a very testable hypothesis. . .

striktlymi: You hold an assertion of your own that you are yet to prove. Whether you say God exists or he does not exist...both are assertions and should be subjected to the scientific process.

I say god does not exist because all gods are man made. . .The idea of god evolved from ancient people and their superstitions, even today we still have people creating gods, example the god Xenu of scientology. . .It was created not long ago and the god has millions of worshipers the world over. . .It is a proven fact through history and anthropology that gods and religions are man made. . .Pls point to any god that exist on its own without human influence. . .

Now the above is demonstrably false unless you want to tell us that the following comment was not made by you:

My 'analogy' flows directly from the comment you made above.

Granted, i didn't actually express myself they way I would have loved to. . .

Now the above is very funny...you fail to realize that the scientific process does not start with evidence...evidence gathering is the final stage in that process...a lot of scientific theories and laws today started out as simple beliefs which people decided to test for its validity.

Granted, but god is a testable hypothesis. . .That is why i asked you to define what god is and show how it exist then we can test and see if its true or not. . .

...and I repeat, show us how God does not exist.

Because god is a man made idea and conception, as such no god can be shown to exist on its own independent of what men chose to write about such a god, say about such a god, accept about such a god and do for such a god. . .if you know any god that exist independent of human conception and creation then point to it. . .We can begin with the bible , if you want. . .is the bible the word of god?

striktlymi: Your proof is based on the fact that I have not provided you an objective evidence that he exists?...and you believe this is the scientific method? This is your argument:

Striktlymi believes the Earth is spherical...

Striktlymi does not have the means to prove this...

Therefore the Earth is not spherical...

Is the above logical or fallacious? It is obvious that your conclusion of a non-existent God does not befriend logic.

When you make an asseertion like god exists then it becomes a scientific assertion that can be testable. . .You can test for the existence of things that exist period. . . .

My argument does NOT go as you presented in your analogy. . .

Your analogy is a fallacy because you can NOT believe that the earth is spherical without having an evidence for it. . .There MUST be a reason and some form of evidence weather right or wrong as to why you believe the earth is spherical. . .You can not just conclude based on nothing, so your analogy fails and falls flat. . .

I repeat, what is a god and how does it exist?. . .

striktlymi: I have an assertion: God exists!

You have an assertion: God does not exist!

You ask me to prove mine, I did not object but when I ask us to do it simultaneously; you come back to ask me to show you my answer first before you start your proof?

God exist?. . .OK, Show me that god exist, simple. . .What objective evidence can you provide to show that your god exist?. . .I say god does not exist because you can not provide any objective evidence to show that god exist, you are asserting without evidence, and your assertion needs to be dismissed without evidence as well. . .Its simple. . .

striktlymi: No problem man! While I am at it, can you also show us how God does not exist by your book?

The god hypothesis is a testable one, it is a scientific hypothesis if it is true. . .tell me what god is and show how it exist in reality, then I will show you that it doesn't because i should be able to test it and verify if it exist or not. . .Go ahead , take show your shot. . tell me what a god is and show how it exist. . .

striktlymi: That question is what we should be asking you man...I met you guys here and I am not the one making long speaches

But you are the one screaming strawman, no?

What is striktlymi on about?. .

striktlymi: In the same way, I dismiss your assertion of no God without evidence!

What is a god, to begin with?. . .And how does a god exist?. . .Pls explain to me what a god is and show me that it exist in reality. . .