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^^^^Its not yet too late, don't just roll up and give up, start from yourself: Do not allow tribal and religious bigotry get in the way of your reasoning or judgement, discourage and speak against such sentiments whenever you come across it, help stop the rot, Nigeria needs ppl with independent minds and clear objective vision like TDW, pls help spread the message and lead by example.

@talktimi:

Yep, you made some good points, though I do not agree with you entirely
First of all the Presidency did not dissociated itself from Asari Dokubo's utterances until after a protracted delay and most importantly well after TDW interview with the press.
Secondly, the ND cannot be all that peaceful considering the fact that not more than a few weeks ago some militants were still making threats and made good their promise with the kidnapping and murder of about 13 policemen or so, whose decomposing bodies were later discovered in a shallow grave - sure there may be fewer checkpoints now than before due to the relative calm in the ND area; but sorry, hurriedly buried murdered policemen don't usually turn up like that under peaceful conditions.
As for the issue of force, well even America, the most powerful country with the best military, has so far not been able to successfully defeat terrorist insurgents by brute force; just look at their records in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan etc.
They are failing not because of lack of firepower but due to its application, which often amounts to collective punishment by also hurting the innocent civilian population they had set out to protect. Until the American or any other military can come up with a more surgical approach capable of only targeting the terrorists without civilian casualty, then brute force alone will continue to be counter productive because eventually more and more erstwhile peaceful civilians would be driven into the ranks of the terrorists by the urge for revenge against the brutality of their so called protectors.
The battle for hearts and minds is often lost because the soldiers frequently vent their anger on civilians especially when they themselves get casualties; they also often disregard or disrespect local customs, religion and traditions by mishandling women & children or even committing criminal acts such as rape and robbery e.g. during house to house search - which in turn alienates them further away from their civilian hosts.
The way forward is by carrot and stick: the carrot being the offer of amnesty and the stick being measured military force (applied in accordance with acceptable rules of engagement) to persuade the stubborn amongst them back to the negotiating table. I am glad to note that the FG is still leaving the option of amnesty open - which is the right thing to do.

Ramcie: See belle!

Na money full am.

Wow! So there are still ppl brave enough to say it like it is, so much objectivity and political maturity and from an Ijaw man at that! - thought nobody from that area can or is allowed to say anything contrary to Oga at the Top's 2015 ambition.
I doff my hat to this man, Tam David West, he has really earned my respect; with ppl like him then there's hope for Nigeria.

seunfly: What do u expect when the section has been taking over by paid political agents.
Every thing here is all propaganda 4rm both sides and it seems like the mods have intrest in their threads because no matter how bad d thread is, mod will allow it to survive while they relegate sensible thread just because it is not 4rm paid agent.

Not just paid political agents but also an invading mindless marauding army of loutish bigots who have taken freedom of speech to literally mean freedom or licence to insult, abuse, lie and incite with impunity.
In consequence, the section has given way to a group of unruly internet area boys bereft of objectivity, reasoning and decorum; seemingly only driven by unbridle hate and intolerance which sadly appears to be increasingly appealing to the young and impressionable, who constitute the larger proportion of NL, thereby helping towards shaping and moulding attitudes and mindset of the leaders of our tomorrow.

^^^^^Ha ha ha ha, even after given the correct answer he is still getting it wrong.
LOL: Gowon is not Berom but Angas and Abdulsalami is not Hausa but Nupe.

@OP:
Now that you know differently, perhaps you will do the honourable thing by correcting the topic and apologising to the many you have misled through your obvious ignorance and hatred.

[quote author=bamu_hanya]Good example! Is like the word Nigger![/quote]Exactly, let a white man call a black man nigga and see what happens.

@Topic:

It is a non offensive normal word (meaning friend) but offensively used by southerners to refer to the Hausas in a derogatory manner.
BTW, it is unusual even for the Hausas to call each other aboki directly, but prefer the use of the more respectful alternative term of mallam (meaning teacher/tutor or simply, Mr) - if the persons name is not already known to you.

In short it is not the word but the intent.
Southerners nowadays borrow these words (and even coin their own slangs) and reserve them for offensive reference to Hausas.
Such words include: Aboki (currently in vogue); Mallam (no longer in vogue); Malu (non Hausa word) and Sule (a common Hausa name), other names include Kaita (with reference to the footballer) etc.

@OP:
Yes, it is offensive and I suspect you already know that too but only pretending and therefore thoroughly deserving your ban; in any case ignorance is not and can never be an excuse.

Moderators, please keep it up, lets have more decency and decorum in the forum pls.

^^^^If truly you are from the Middle Belt as you claim, then you would not need to rely on any Tiv friend to tell about Tiv culture, and just because you've had no first hand experience of a particular aspect of it, doesn't mean it doesn't exist - check your post before you next speak to avoid appearing foolish.

qualified: ^ chai, u are really trying hard to argue his case. Kpele
keep asking for facts.
The governor shld say what he knows abt this group n his biz/ agreement wit them. He created a monster hope its not bigger than him already

You are really incorrigible, first you started a thread, of the above title, trying to disparage the CPC as a party; their only crime being that the governor belonged to the said party.
When that failed, you quickly derailed from blaming the party to the governor; which also you are so far woefully failing because you are still unable to bring one single credible evidence to prove his culpability in the murder of these policemen; except for half baked conjectures and innuendos.

Question: how were the Fulanis which you keep associating with the governor responsible for the murder of these policemen? Did the governor arm or sponsor the tribesmen who killed the policemen? Is he responsible for how the police plan,direct or strategize how they carry out their operation? Was he acting on whim or not based on intelligence report when ordered the for arrest of the tribal chief?
Pls if you know anything to the contrary, let us hear them otherwise carry you baseless propaganda elsewhere to the more gullible and impressionable - who no doubt would be easily fooled by your cock and bull story, hook line and sinker.

FYI, there is currently a thread about an interview given by one of the Ombatse leaders (its on front page)"Ombatse Cult: "We Are Not Militias, We Are A Prayer Group " here is also the link: read what he had to say about Al-Makura, the Nassarawa State governor, let me make it easier for you, here is the extract.

https://www.nairaland.com/1286547/ombatse-cult-not-militias-prayer

It is believed that governor Al-makura is romancing with ombatse group, don’t you think so?
Ignorance is a bad disease. I told you from the beginning that the membership of ombatse is only meant for Eggon sons alone. Women are not even allowed. Is governor Al-makur an Eggon indigene and son? The answer is no, so how come they are saying he is romancing with ombatse.

What happened that day at Nasarawa Eggon that led to our blocking the road was because we as law abiding people felt violated and we resolved to block the road, calling on the governor who is the chief security officer of the state to come and explain to us why some armed security agents will come and invade our shrine for just no cause. When the governor eventually came, he insisted he wanted to go and see the shrine but we said no because he is not a member and therefore he is not in the position to visit azhili shrine. That was why the governor was led to the chief’s palace to address the people. That was not the first time the governor would respond to an angered group.

^^^^^You can continue to remain in denial and obviously ignorant for all I care - arguing about something you are not even qualified to speak about as non northerner and likely never lived in the north with someone who is.

Dede1: ^^^^ Only a compound dunce will be provoked because a person has opinion that expresses the need for sovereign status of his people. I never asked for the obliteration of people who would eventually call Islamic Republic of Sokoto Caliphate a home.

I guess you need to recheck the historical facts about Nigeria from 1966 to date.

I never made such claims against you but evidently your guilt is obviously pushing you to confess your innermost thoughts for all to see.
Yeah, I'll always feel provoked by such uncharitable reference to my region as a fraud and now my person as a dunce, particularly in view as I never also questioned your right of self expression as you wrongly adduced but only the insolence.

[quote author=Eazee-e]Most of d attackers are hired by dis fulani from dia kinsmen in Niger,Chard. Y it wil continue in nigeria is because dey hav a local support by d settled Hausas in these areas. This hausa fulani are bent on destroying all d minorities in d North Central most of whom are Christian n thus find allies with d few communities that share d same faith with dem. That explains y d governor of Nasarawa state a muslem n his likes are d ones behind d hosting of dis fulanis datz y his village was destroyed by d Eggon militias 4 hosting dis deadly fulanis[/quote]All you said may be true; however, haven't you ever wondered why when this kind of story is relayed that nobody seems to hear about the other side.
In journalism, a story is never complete without the other side; however, Nigerian journalism dominated by Christian southerners never seem to bother about objectivity when reporting - unfortunately, thats what seem be shaping and moulding a vindictive mindset between the ever increasing north/south divide.

Have you ever wondered what a cow means to a Fulani herdsman?
Well, its his most treasured life possession and in monetary terms an average cow can easily fetch over a 100k; many a times the Fulanis are killed and/or their cows stolen, sometimes in hundreds, by these native ppl; if you do the maths you can imagine how much they often lose in such raids - often going unreported because the biased Nigerian press isn't interested.

Unfortunately, the Fulanis are always unforgiving and culturally bound to take revenge, no matter how long it takes (which as you rightly pointed out may involve them inviting outside allies - as they are all interrelated).
I once received a text msg (which I'll paste) that perhaps best surmise this aspect of the Fulanis.

THE FULANI WARRIOR

Never fight a war (hot or cold) with the Fulani. Because they have:
1. No rules of engagement (they just hit)
2. No POW's (they don't take prisoners)
3. No mercy (once they pick out an enemy)
4. No fighting fatigue (they are forever fit and prepared, due to their lifestyle)
5. No need for adequate food and permanent abode (they live on very little and live in the wilderness)
6. No end to hostilities (they fight to finish)
7. No ignorance of terrain & location (their lifestyle makes them human GPS)
8. No deterrence due to casualties (they are strategically distributed all over West and Central Africa, and highly mobile)
9. No need for tranquility (they have no permanent settlements which need peace to thrive)
10. No communication problem once they distribute cola nuts to allies.

In other words don't about these Fulanis or they'll burn your butt.

BTW, the Tivs have until recently been known by their Hausa/Fulani given name of Munci (pronounced Mun-chi) meaning we ate (it), stemming from the fabled incidence of once being entrusted with Fulani cattle before the Fulanis embarking on a journey, when the hapless Fulanis returned for their cows, the Tivs have eaten them and all they could say was,' munci'; hence the name; however, the Tivs regarding it as derogatory resisted and succeeded in having it changed.
Cattle rustling by Middle Beltans including the Tivs and the inevitable retaliatory measures by the Fulanis will continue to cause problems until either side respects the rights of the other and certainly biased or selective press reporting may not help matters at all.

The figures may be inaccurate (exaggerated for all the regions not just north like they all rig in elections)for reasons of corruption or ineptitude; but bottom line no one can convince me that the south out populates the the north as evidenced by independent reports and simple common sense i.e. rate of growth between north and south cannot be the same and remain at the same ratio unchanged from 1963 to date.

Let me also apply another common sense in the following questions to those who may wish to consider them.
1) If the south is more populous than north, then why are southerners afraid of free and fair elections based entirely on the principle of simple majority (after all politics is a game of numbers?)
2) Why are southerners happy and instigating division of the northern bloc between mb and core north?
3) Why did southerners usher in the concept of geopolitical zones?
4) Why did southerners insist on rotational presidency, why not leave it to the most popular candidate?

Yeah, if southerners are more populated then why above maneuvers of by hook or by crook to ensure the presidency reaches the south?

^^^I feel provoked but will not respond in the same kind but would offer this advice: why not start by mobilising all your ppl relocate to igboland and when you succeed in that then we'll know you ppl are serious and may have cause to go on your own - its just a small test to show your resolve, prove it.

qualified: I'm undaunted, keep up ur name calling.
I blame d governor till forever. If u like deny it,, there is something he is not saying: what was his biz wit d group before d fall out?
Why does he have d fulani group in his own place.
This is an agreement gone sour and he is using his political power to fight. Shame!

@Highlighted:
No name calling, just saying you are unqualified to speak about what you obviously don't know since your argument rely heavily on conjectures/innuendos and mere speculations but nothing factual.
You can blame the governor till eternity for all I care but nothing you say or do would change the facts on the ground.
Are you inferring that Fulanis should not reside in the state or the governor is not free even invite them to his residence if he so pleases - are you serious or just kidding?

[quote author=Zet72][/quote]A parrot just spoke, see this wannabe e-warrior, is that what they trained you repeat over and over the internet? How much are they paying you?

The figures may be inaccurate (exaggerated for all the regions not just north like they all rig in elections)for reasons of corruption or ineptitude; but bottom line no one can convince me that the south out populates the the north as evidenced by independent reports (such the one above in folem's post) and simple common sense i.e. rate of growth between north and south cannot be the same and remain at the same ratio unchanged from 1963 to date.

Let me also apply another common sense in the following questions to those who may wish to consider them.
1) If the south is more populous than north, then why are southerners afraid of free and fair elections based entirely on the principle of simple majority (after all politics is a game of numbers?)
2) Why are southerners happy and instigating division of the northern bloc between mb and core north?
3) Why did southerners usher in the concept of geopolitical zones?
4) Why did southerners insist on rotational presidency, why not leave it to the most popular candidate?

Yeah, if southerners are more populated then why above maneuvers of by hook or by crook to ensure the presidency reaches the south?

As for those lamenting about the loss of federalism, let them scroll the pages of history and note that a southerner in the person of Agui Ironsi abolished regional governments and introduced the Unitary system in Nigeria in 1966, in order to concentrate power to himself an favour southerners who were more advantaged to benefit from the system then - he and nobody thought things would change as they have to date.

berem: Can someone move this crap to Jokes section? What a way to crack my ribs on this wet Saturday morning.

Why didn't they crack when Mr Dokubo spewed out his nonsensical tripe, oh let me guess, it wasn't as funny as this one, eh?
Like it or not the poster did posit some credible factors to his position, the least you could do was try to address them by refuting them with reasons if you disagree.

^^^^And if he does not arrest these ppl immediately, then he Oga at the Top, GEJ, as Commander in Chief; is the real TRAITOR to Nigeria, deceiving Nigerians.

honeric01: Who controls the police/army?

The governor or the president?

Pls put that same question to that shallow thinking poster who calls herself qualified or is it Unqualified ni.

honeric01: Lol, Hizbollah's like a govt overthere, no comparison.

How many airstrike has the biggest terrorist group conducted?

Btw, were you the one who bought drones for Hizbollah?

Just let them continue exposing and disgracing themselves with their display of foolish ignorance. They think some ppl haven't the brains to discern from their low intelligence propaganda.

payless: What do you think the Governor of Nasarawa should have done? Who is the Commander in Chief? Who is in charge of the Armed Forces and the Police? Is the Governor the Chief security officer of Nasarawa and the country? You guys need to stop the sentiment. It's like blaming the former Governor of Bayelsa for the killings of military officers when they were being killed by Nigerdelta militants. I didn't hear anyone blame the Governor of Bayelsa for the killing of soldiers by the Nigerdeltan militants.

You took the words out of my mouth; unfortunately, sentiments and hate would not allow some ppl see and speak the truth. SMH.

@OP:
You can say that again, but as you can see so far not many responses to your post, because you have spoken the truth - many cannot handle the truth.
Unfortunately, to GEJ and his cronies, everything is by force, a do or die affair, by hook or by crook because thats their way of life; they are ready to lie, cheat and blackmail or spoil everything for everybody if they cannot have their way; it doesn't matter how as long as the end to them justifies the means.
We are unfortunately in an era of crude politics where politicians in power engage violent crooks and hoodlums, openly giving them government contracts, e.g. from MEND, OPC & Co to buy their allegiance and services as foot soldiers.
Truth is Jonathan has demonstrated time and again his ineffectiveness and unsuitability as a leader (even he himself had privately admitted to it, see wikileaks) yet unbridled greed and lust for power, to the extent of unashamedly reneging on agreements/promises, would not allow him (at least for sake of decency) to distance himself from the irresponsible inciting utterances of the likes of Dokubo Asari - though we know he is one of his hired thugs.
It makes me laugh at the irony when some southerners accuse northerners of born to rule mentality.

tomakint: ...and somebody is benefitting from these killings all because of power! A CPC governor at the helms of affair in a once relatively peaceful state is about to bring his state into disrepute as the chief security officer of his state!

Yep, you could be right; while failing also to see the possibility of PDP invisible hands sponsoring and mobilising the Eggon ppl against the governor and also to discredit his party, CPC, ahead of 2015.

Mavor: this is the most ridiculous $hit I've read in a while. Just wasted 3 mins of my life reading this <rap. mtchewwwww!!!!

Don't have time to read all the posts but have to agree with you on this one. Apart from 911 attack where on earth had any terrorist group succeeded in acquiring aircraft let alone carry out air strikes?
Its clear that Oga at the Top has engaged a bunch of lazy low intelligence ppl to spread his propaganda.

Don't even have time to read through to the end to say that this man is off his rocker, though I am not surprised to observe how shallow he and his ilk are; greed and blind hatred has them bereft of any logical thinking.
If to him, human population is determined by desertification or forestation then by that logic the AMAZON should be the most densely populated place on earth. SMH

^^^^^It should be obvious that OP belongs to an increasing number of shallow minded youths whose reasoning mode had been switched off and minds filled with blind hatred driven to spread malicious propaganda.
Evidently, the OP doesn't even know that police in states are not under the command of the governors but the IGP, thats why some ppl were in fact advocating for state police.
Yet somehow the OP wants to find fault with this governor, simply because he's a CPC governor, as if the incidence has anything to do with the party and nothing to do with a botch up operation by an inept police, in this case sold out by a traitor amongst them who leaked out the information to his tribal ppl - so so illogical thinking. SMH.

^^^You are in violation of rule 3 and by extension rule 7 and in compliance with rule 13 I am obliged to report you.

ikwere militant: its oky to kill nd maim innocent peopl burn down dia houses becos of cows but its not oky to burn houses in baga.its oky to steal peoples farm produce nd destroy their crops but its not oky for them to complian.and yet some idiots will come here nd insult whoever agitated for nijas division may God purnish dem

It seems you are all confused and mixed up: the issue of division of Nigeria is one thing, while the rights of the farmers/natives is another and that of the Fulanis also quite separate. In this case it is quite clear that the Fulanis were the victimised, what is so difficult to understand and therefore remain focused on the issue at hand?
BTW, note that so far you are the one insulting and therefore in violation rules 1 & 2 along with rule 21 by virtue of your poor grammar and spelling.

otokx: Why can't these Fulani herdsmen stay in their own land?

Google is your friend, try looking up the word NOMAD, you'll surely find your answer.

Yeah, thank God he isn't; however, while his shall be remembered as mere utterances (for which he had severally apologised afterwards)lest we not forget that somebody (a southerner Christian) in power actually carried out those thoughts with action and is still unrepentant - I think the names Odi and one OBJ should come to mind.

idupaul: Fulanis can't keep breaching the peace everywhere they roam.. Its high time the Govt bans this dirty pastoral way of life .. Where is Fulani ancestral home in Nigeria sef

It may not occur to you that very often these ppl are attacked, killed and robbed off their prized possession, their cattle and when they take reprisal measures, such as in the present case, they are also often painted as the aggressors not the victims by an unfriendly biased press and the likes of you - who think they shouldn't have the right to lead the their nomadic way of live.

abes:
First of all, the dude is no longer a member of the house of rep.


Secondly, the dude made this state in a debate in 2009:


Thirdly, the aircraft is less than N10,000,000.

You beat me to it, old stale news way back from 2009, obviously dug up and brought up now to incite hatred between north and southerners to help Oga at the top towards his political ambition for 2015, cheap dirty tricks.