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GreatAchiever1:
You are really trying hard to bring up text that doesn't answer the question that I asked, how does one flesh correlate with what I just asked. But let me refute this and clearly explains how the one flesh relationship between the husband and the wife ought to be. The bible clearly defines how the relationship of the one flesh ought to be in Ephesians 5:22-33; Colossians 3:18,19; 1 Peter 3:1-7.



God named Adam, would you say it was a recognition of their mutual dependence? parents named their children, would you say it's a recognition of their dependence? humans name their pet animals (Adam did likewise also) would you say it's a recognition of their mutual dependence?



Mutual Respect and love for one another is essential in marital relationship and that tone on how to go about it according to the specific gender in the relationship has been set by Him who creates the marital institution. It's hierarchical and not equal balance of shared authority but the Husband having full and total authority over his wife as well as the household.

Genesis 3:16
Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

Your perspective seems to be stating that God is forgetful.

According to your perspective, God just neglected to mention it explicitly, He actually designated man as the ruler over woman from the beginning but why did God say "he shall rule over thee" while pronouncing the consequences for Eve's actions, despite already designating man as a ruler over woman. Do you mean God forgot that man was already ruling over woman? 🤣🤣🤣

Mr man, try to be logical. Adam and Eve didn't share our cultural perspective. Culture, which was created much later perhaps created the notion that naming someone gives you authority over the person.

At the time of creation, there were no established family structures, societal hierarchies, or precedents for naming as a means of authority.

Adam and Eve were the very first humans created by God, unlike subsequent generations that arise within established societal norms, Adam and Eve existed in a primal state, free from cultural traditions.

Adam and Eve were a unique and direct act of divine creation. Both were created in the image of God (Genesis 1:27). This common divine imprint suggests an inherent equality between them. Both shared equal worth and dignity, indicating that their relationship reflect equality rather than a hierarchy.

Adam and Eve were both giving dominion over the animals and tasked with stewarding the garden, which is an indicative of their collaborative role.

A woman is a "helper". In the original Hebrew, the term "ezer" (helper) refers to strength and support, not slavery or subservience. 🤣🤣🤣

Genesis 1:26-27
26. And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

27. So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

Kingju:
What does the word assistance mean to you? If you're in an organization and i brought an assistant to help you, shea you and the assistant would be of the same status? You don see where assistant and oga get same status? Why do ogas have assistant? Abi na English dey confuse you?

That aside sef, shea after the sin, God sha made the man the head? Why the long English when it is the current standing rule? Abi did God established another new rule recently to cancel the Garden of Eden rule?

Assistance is the act of providing support or aid to someone in need, often by sharing tasks or responsibilities to make a process easier or more manageable.

Men and women are partners. In companies, partners share tasks and responsibilities and work together to achieve common goals.

What I am sharing now is just a glimpse of my discoveries. I have made several findings that challenge the misconceptions that have been circulating for centuries.

Kingju:
There's nothing like tradition there, the Biblical God is a God of order, He's Words are clear and concise in the Bible. The man is the ruler, as simple as ABC. When God came into the Garden of Eden, who did he ask the first question to? Who did he assign all the work to? If you give birth to kids in the house, the first child takes responsibility of his younger one especially when you step out, abi you go call the last child give am responsibility? Make una stop all this una pattern of trying to twist the Holy Bible to fit you people's agenda. Btw, who even talks of feminism in 2025?

At the time God assigned tasks to Adam, He did not plan to create another human being. He created another human being because man was lonely and found it difficult to exist without a friend or partner.

What man needed was a partner, not a maid, servant, slave, or subordinate. Everything Adam needed was already within his reach; he did not have to till the ground for food at that time.

God did not provide any indication or instruction that man is the ruler. He created another human being just like man and did not assign a lesser status or ability to this second human being. The only primary difference between a man and a woman lies in their reproductive organs, which needs each other to function. Yet, you are assuming that man is the ruler. Dey play.

Kingju:
As long as Feminism doesn't affect a woman to think that she's equal to a man then no ish, coz Holy Bible said the Man is the head and leader

Taking the position of the head is merely a tradition and not the true Biblical standard. If you have read and understood the Bible, you would recognize this. I can only advise submission when the man is loving.

Kingju:
God said Let's make a helper for the man, you no read that part?

In the beginning God saw the man was lonely and He created a helpmate which is woman to be his companion and assistance, He didn't make man a ruler over woman. It was after the sin in the Garden of Eden that man had authority over woman.

Helpmate is simply a mate or partner who provides assistance and companionship.

GreatAchiever1:
Have you even read what came about that "curse" in Gen 3:16. If man and woman are equal, then why do they have different roles with woman created to be helper for a man given that man was not created for woman but woman for man.
Then answer this question pre fall, if Adam never had authority over Eve as you claimed pre-fall.
1. Why was Adam created before Eve?
2. Why did Adam have a protective role over Eve in the garden.
3. Why did Adam had a teaching role to Eve in the garden.
4. Why did Adam name Eve if Eve didn't belong to him to rule and have authority over her?
5. Why did God went to Adam first after both he and Eve sinned even though Eve sinned first.
6. Why did God rebuke Adam for listening to Eve.

Man having authority over woman was entirely the plan of God before the fall. The hierarchy has always been God->Man->Woman->Children before and after the fall.

The concept of a husband's authority and a wife's submission was not introduced as a consequence of the fall, as some like you want to interpret Genesis 3:16. Instead, this hierarchical relationship was part of God's original created order but became distorted by the fall. Like all aspects of creation, the relationship between husband and wife is now vulnerable to corruption due to sin. However, the hierarchy between the sexes originates from creation, not the fall, and is intended to be embraced as part of God's good design, not rejected.

Genesis 2:24-25
24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.

25 And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.

Adam naming Eve can be seen as a recognition of their mutual dependence. Since Adam and Eve did not have earthly parents, God ultimately represents their parent. You won't find any instance in the Bible where God intervened in their relationship.

They shared the same authority, and their relationship was based on mutual respect for one another.

Eve had access to the same things as Adam and both were naked, there is nothing that signifies Adam had authority over Eve.

Kingju:
As long as Feminism doesn't affect a woman to think that she's equal to a man then no ish, coz Holy Bible said the Man is the head and leader

On this subject, I have read and digested the Bible, so I know what I am talking about.

Do you guys think I haven't already gone through all the common verses you are presenting before coming to my conclusion?

Now is not the time, but I will break it down for you some other time.

budaatum:
I am a book reader who has a brain and a mind, and care not for convictions if the book you says supports them don't.

If you respected personal convictions, you might not gave said the following "Most of the aspects of Nigerian marriage culture that are taught and embraced in Churches do not align with Biblical principles", which shows you have no respect for false personal convictions, and which I admire in you.

Brother Bernard, you mentioned that you have a brain; try to make use of it more often. Personal conviction refers to a deeply held belief or opinion that is unique to an individual.

The Bible is the guide; if Christianity is not practiced in the way it should be, it must be questioned. My belief is in God and His words, not in Nigerian pastors or unnecessary doctrines. Christianity is not practiced only in Nigeria, and it did not start in Nigeria.

budaatum:
The "overly religious women" you mention are ignorant stupid women who would likely "accept their suffering, believing that they are doing the will of God" until their pig of a husband batters them to death.

But hey. If you want to stoop to pigs level, knock yourself out please.

I am a Christian and hold my own personal convictions. While I won't force you to believe in God, I might just share my beliefs when I feel it's appropriate.

Try to be assertive and embrace our differences. We all have diverse beliefs and backgrounds. Let's respect and appreciate that diversity.

Refrain from dismissing others as foolish for their beliefs.

budaatum:
If you are talking cause, you would not be talking Bible, since Bible is not cause but later programming.

I don't know or care if God is in favour of feminism. What I do know is if not for the female, men would still be apes at best. The story where Eve used her brain to free Adam from ignorant naked slavery proves this point, as does educated Mary educating her son Jesus so he is not today known as the saviour of wood.

At times, rather than standing up for others, it's better to stoop down to their level in order to help them.

I don't think you have ever interacted with overly religious women; they worship their pastors preachings. They often validate and embrace their suffering, believing that they are doing the will of God. It doesn't matter to them if it could lead to their death, It is only the right information that can set them free.

GreatAchiever1:
Have you even read what came about that "curse" in Gen 3:16. If man and woman are equal, then why do they have different roles with woman created to be helper for a man given that man was not created for woman but woman for man.
Then answer this question pre fall, if Adam never had authority over Eve as you claimed pre-fall.
1. Why was Adam created before Eve?
2. Why did Adam have a protective role over Eve in the garden.
3. Why did Adam had a teaching role to Eve in the garden.
4. Why did Adam name Eve if Eve didn't belong to him to rule and have authority over her?
5. Why did God went to Adam first after both he and Eve sinned even though Eve sinned first.
6. Why did God rebuke Adam for listening to Eve.

Man having authority over woman was entirely the plan of God before the fall. The hierarchy has always been God->Man->Woman->Children before and after the fall.

The concept of a husband's authority and a wife's submission was not introduced as a consequence of the fall, as some like you want to interpret Genesis 3:16. Instead, this hierarchical relationship was part of God's original created order but became distorted by the fall. Like all aspects of creation, the relationship between husband and wife is now vulnerable to corruption due to sin. However, the hierarchy between the sexes originates from creation, not the fall, and is intended to be embraced as part of God's good design, not rejected.

1+1= Donut

I watched a woman suffer and ultimately die from ignorance, and I wish I had known better then.

People need the right information; several women have died due to ignorance and more will continue to die if the right information is not made available.

Although I have the funds and invested resources, I feel that there is a special force limiting my ability to share my discoveries on various media channels.

budaatum:
That's what a man will write to program women into submission. Smart women know men come from between their thighs and must suck breast to develop a brain or they will surely die.

One quote from one book does not prove anything to those who can use their own heart and soul and mind and brain in their own head to seek for knowledge and understanding.

The best way to find a solution to a problem is to understand its actual cause. The answer serves as a foundation that leads to discoveries supporting the idea that God is in favour of feminism.

budaatum:
Those who read only one book die of ignorance! So I will suggest you expand your reading.

The only reason the Bible puts authority in men over women is because pigs wrote it to deceive women who actually do have authority over men.

Think of it like reprogramming, or the introduction of an alternative reality, since it is initially written that "So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them".

But I guess we haven't yet evolved to being able to critically read what we read, and just read into it what we've been told to believe before we actually read it ourselves, or how else would a person with eyes claim Adam created from mud is in God's image.

The curse alone proves that man and woman were created equal from the beginning.

Genesis 3:16
Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

Man having authority over woman was not the actual plan of God, it was simply a curse.

budaatum:
Are you saying there are biblical verses in support of feminism? If so, please share.

Personally, if educated woman Mary had not educated her son Jesus, he would have spent his life nailing wood. And if woman Eve had not used her senses to test for herself if knowledge killed, Adam would have remained a naked ignorant slave in Eden.

First, read through the Bible to understand why men have authority over women. While the answer is not directly related to my main discoveries, it will expand your understanding of this subject.

I asked you to read the Bible because the true answer is not the one commonly known to everyone.

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Most of the aspects of Nigerian marriage culture that are taught and embraced in Churches do not align with Biblical principles.

One generation of pastors agrees on certain teachings, passes them on to the next generation, and this cycle continues. As a result, these teachings become ingrained in the culture, and subsequent generations adhere to them without questioning their validity.

frank317:
Josephine the dreamer, any dream about nigeria yet? With this ur dream power, I hope no one around u is suffering or can meet any misfortune

Mini cockroach, little pest. Christianity doesn’t turn people into superheroes. Becoming a Christian won’t transform you into figures like Flash, Superman, Wonder Woman, Batman, or any other fictional character.

I simply shared some of the experiences that shaped my perspective and personal conviction. You can either take it or leave it.

Indifferent12:
Speaking in tongues is just letting ur emotions get the better of you, it’s all chemical reactions in ur brain.

You dreaming n it coming to pass doesn’t mean anything spiritual exist.
If we analyze it well it’s probably something u were working towards already, sometimes is just mere coincidence and misinterpretation.

I have also imagineer something and It came to pass, doesn’t mean god exit.
While I was younger I had a crush on this girl, my parents change my school n I imagine I would see this girl in my new school, low n behold there she was in my new school.
Do I have super power? no, was it god also no. It’s just mere coincidence.

Sometimes it’s because we are thinking of an event too much hence we dream of it.

Whether you consider it a miracle or not, it doesn't matter. What truly matters is that a friend was saved.

I am not a pastor; I'm just someone who values logic and shares my perspective. I wouldn't accept the existence of God either if I were not personally convinced. Reflecting on all the struggles I have been through, I might have also become an atheist a long time ago.

My personal conviction led me to study the Bible more deeply. In doing so, I discovered many misquotes and misinterpretations, even from some pastors, that can mislead people away from Christ. I realized that if we come to God with the expectation that everything will go our way, we may become disheartened when challenges arise. I've learned the importance of holding on to God, regardless of the circumstances we face.

I rarely dream about myself; instead, I often dream about other people, even those I am not close to, and events I know nothing about. Sometimes, I start to feel sleepy and dizzy, as if I were under the influence of alcohol. Within 30 seconds, I find myself falling asleep against my will and entering a dream state. In those dreams, I often see something about someone. If it feels like a warning, I usually make an effort to warn the person it is directed at, because such dreams tend to come true.

Along with my own personal experiences, the fact that scientists have still not been able to create life from non-life in a laboratory, despite years of research and study, has made me realize that there is a higher power in control.

Franking:
Stop fooling around. God does not exist. Even Elon Musk and Bill Gates know.

Science has made incredible advancements in understanding the universe, yet many mysteries remain, particularly regarding the origins of life.

After several years of study, scientists have still not been able to create life from non-life in a laboratory. This ongoing exploration invites us to consider the complexities of existence and the possibility of a higher power.

KingNom:
Thank You so much Esteemed for helping keep a sister from straying away from God. Kindly permit me to note an observation in the bolded above, if she or anyone or reads it does as advised above, that would give an opening for disrepute to God's Name on her, the devil will most probably strike, and she'd be at loss.
So may I advise you kindly edit that section out of your testimony.

Once again, thank you so much for edifying us today Beloved

You're welcome and thank you for your applause. I encourage you to read 1 Corinthians 9:19-23.

I've noticed that sometimes when people evangelize, it seems more about the act itself than a genuine desire to save souls. It’s like trying to sell a product without understanding the audience or finding a way to connect with them. I don’t usually sit people down to preach, but I felt compelled to reach out and save a friend.

Sometimes, it can take a gradual process to help someone get back on track. To be honest: there are certain types of preaching that, if delivered to me when I'm sad, depressed, or upset, would make me feel like punching the preacher in the face because I didn't ask for preaching in the first place.

Isn't it better for her to vent her frustrations than to completely deny the existence of God?

jaephoenix:
So how come yhwh says we should call on him and he'll answer us? I don't think he said "don't call on me, I have given you all u need to survive. Leave me alone"

But God did not promise to always respond with a "Yes" whenever we call upon Him. As you read through the Bible, you will realize that God's responses can be "Yes," "No," or "Wait."

jaephoenix:
What is your purpose on earth and how did u know that? Is ur purpose the same as everyone else's?

My purpose is a journey of growth and transformation. I aspire to create a legacy of love and respect, hoping that my life will inspire others to live with purpose and treat one another with respect and compassion.

The core purpose of loving God and serving others is universal among Christians, but the paths we take to fulfill that purpose can vary significantly. Each of us has unique experiences, gifts, and passions that shape our individual journeys.

franvincoop:
Na different gbola sizes dey make u speak in tongues, no be God.
All the gbola wey show u shege for 2024, u know see am for dream? Or na black and white dream?
Una get luck say dat una God no di exist, if he/she be dey really exist even like Ibini Ukpabi, u for don die tey tey alongside all the other gods of men.

Your mentality proves that the women you surround yourself with are cheap, but don't pin that shit on others.

I often wonder why some people feel the need to project their own issues onto others. This might come as a shock to someone with your kind of mentality, but the fact is that I am a virgin.

frank317:
The funny thing is that his God will quickly help him secure a ticket for his flight but will watch a 5years old girl get helplessly molested by a mentally unstable Wicked man...

He started with his business issues, showing he does not have a perfect life as a believer. But his female friend going through same challenges is being tempted by the devil, while his own challenges are being managed by his God.

The way people sit down and make up super stories to suit their narratives is over my head.

When will people begin to take responsibility for their actions instead of blaming God for everything?

God has provided us with the resources we need to thrive. He designed humanity with the ability to make choices and entrusted us with the stewardship of the earth's resources.

If we could all embrace the principle of loving our neighbours as ourselves, we could create a better world for everyone. Much of the suffering we see today stems from human greed and wickedness.

Seunomobo:
I want to ask one simple question, what impact does believing or not believing in a God has on someone? What does your God need my believing in him for? Submission and control right?

First, understand why children who are separated from their parents at birth search for their parents; then you will grasp why people are interested in knowing their Creator.

God is worthy of praise and acknowledgment.

Recognizing the existence of God provides us with insight into our source, our purpose on Earth, and our Afterlife.

advanceDNA:
u are just exaggerating joor

then u shouldn't be this upset over a guy u dont want....

What is bad is bad; being hot-tempered is harmful, it can lead to hurting someone or even worse murder.

I can also be possessive, but not to the extent of threatening or killing someone. If a relationship isn't working, I would choose to end it.

Not every threat is a mere threat. Don't you think it is possible for her to act on her threat if I were actually dating her guy?

I remember a case where a woman was kidnapped because another woman assumed she was dating her boyfriend. Fortunately, the police were able to locate her in time; who knows what would have happened if they hadn't.

advanceDNA:
so u are saying until she's his wife she has no right to feel like owner?? Wait are u for real ?? So by this logic ..u don't expect faithful oo until marriage??

i think toxic is an exaggerated word here...she only called u to back off, which might be an over kill but necessary if she feels u are threat.......because its norm for pple to start seeing the ex they are no longer with as an option when they meet again.......
everyone isn't the same...


Thats very reason this current one called you to warn...mayb u have olosho vibes or u are finer than her and she feels her husband might start to feel the need to enter the place again.....

So it is logical for her to be possessive to the extent of threatening my life.

No be only olosho vibes. Nothing concern me with her guy.

advanceDNA:
he's just an ex u dont want anymore, so why u angry someone is being extra over something u done give a flying fvck about ?? You should be laughing at her instead of being angry....Abi a part of low key still wants the guy??

Oya confess....I won't judge you...

I have no interest in the guy. The lady is not yet his wife, but she is already quite possessive and feels she can threaten anyone. She seems like a very toxic and aggressive person; I could have shown her that I am not intimidated by threats.

I have visited an ex to say hi to his wife; she was aware that I am his ex and still treated me nicely. She had just had a baby girl. I carried her baby and even took pictures with her. This particular guy is very nice to me. He is a Muslim, and after my visit to his wife, he was still proposing marriage to me.

Peakdesign23:
Old firewood not dey quench. Why should they bump into each other in the first place? What the heck have they not discussed before? Mtcheew...

I am still in contact with his mum. She said I should come and greet her, so I went. I wasn't expecting to meet him at his mum's house because he doesn't live there.

TheFinesseKid:
Mumu topic. Mtcheww

Cry harder

3shadi:
i get everything for here oooo na only that six pack part humble me

😂 Let's go to the gym.