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liab:
don say guy I'm not your mate please

GeneralPula:
From this chat, seems you guys are negotiating for a short time..

How can you pay 20k for short time? Highest to pay for a night with scope is 15k - Bj or no Bj, how much more short time..

But shaa, from the way you’re chatting with the girl, seems you’re still new to dealing with HK girls. You can see the girl is even telling you’re talking too much! You should learn with time sha..

Olokobintin:
A virgin? Who still care about that in this generation. Me that I don't care if the woman that I will marry today kpansh another man a day before our marriage.

You people still hold onto some unimportant things. Why are men so scared about women having fun? Why are you so worried about another person thing? If she choose to give you when it is sealed, fine. But if she choose to give you when it is loose, then it is fine again.

If you choose to love her body, brain and fine face, then love what she present to you in between her legs.

We have heard of stories of armed robbers that become pastors and prostitutes that become deaconess. If these people can changed to better people, so why can't a woman that just had fun in her younger years to become a good wife.

Bro, stop worrying.

Magnificenttop:
Women are God's gifts and real men defend them, the only issue is where are real women.
If you're one of the good women, speak for yourself alone, you cannot speak for all.
No one describing women as s-object but the way many women intentionally chose to portray themselves.
Moreover the reply was in response to the person who was blaming writers of the Bible for the place of women in our world.
Whose fault is many women are on tiktok twerking while men are busy inventing?
Whose fault is majority of leaders worldwide are men? Whose fault is this forum is being owned by a man and not a woman? Should we blame John the Baptist for that?
It's just reality naturally dishing out to all according to what is deserved or else some people who chose to be dissatisfied with their natural position/role based on their gender.

Magnificenttop:
Redpile? I don't even know what that means.
I, already made peace with both pros and cons of being male but feminism, appears to be a cope-mechanism exhibited during lamentation by those confused and frustrated at why they can't eat their cake and still have it.
As for your uploaded jpg, I think your fellow confused klowns need it more - those who daily rely on men, who intentionally wear skimpy skirts but forcefully pull it down while being angry at why it's so short, those who portray themselves as s-objects but angry when seen as such. What difference would that make though, when you the uploader itself lives in a house made by men, using a gadget by men, on a forum owned by a man, still confused and ranting why things are what they are.
Keep your cope-mechanisms handy because nothing is gon change.

Wallade:
Not interested, this is problem personified.

Wallade:
Madam, if you are married, you have an option not to submit to your husband. That is your wish and it is your marriage, the energy that you give is what you get.

If you are not married, don't submit to your fiance or man. He has the option to evaluate the future with you and decide whether to marry you or look elsewhere.

Your kind of feminism is ultimately your choice, I and many of us here don't have to live with your feminist ideology.

Prettygirl200:
it is.

Prettygirl200:
A lot of Nigerian men don't know what feminism is all about they think feminism teaches women to hate men like their redpill do. No it's doesn't it's far from it. They all need to educate themselves.

Prettygirl200:
Even the bible you keep talking about was set up by men in other to enslave people and sudue women, bc all it talked about is women beneath men hence the bible is a patriarchy weapon against women.

GreatAchiever1:
You have deviated from the topic of discussion to enter talk on FirstBorn. SMH.
Well, at least I have passed my message across. With this mindset of yours, no Christian man that knows his bible to some certain good extent will ever accommodate these false feminist ideologies which has no place in true biblical Christianity.

GreatAchiever1:
The first man, Adam, was created before his wife, Eve. Adam was tasked with working and keeping the garden, while Eve was created as his helper (Genesis 2:15, 18). Humanity was named after Adam, not Eve (Genesis 5:1-2). Although Eve sinned first and gave Adam the fruit, God addressed Adam first, asking, “Where are you?” (The word “you” in Hebrew is singular) (Genesis 3:9). Adam had authority over his wife, and as such, God held him accountable for her sin. Moreover, Adam was held accountable for the sin of the entire human race.

The Hebrew word ezer does not mean “strength”; it means “helper.” To change its meaning to fit an ideology distorts the biblical text. A woman is not the strength of a man, though she is the crown of her husband (and I would say creation, more reason why she is vulnerable to being deceived, as most women already are under the guise of feminist philosophy and why it's a man's duty to protect and lead his wife). Women are undoubtedly special, but as helpers, their role is to support their husbands. Misrepresenting biblical teaching to fit a modern ideology demonstrates rebellion against God’s Word, aligning with feminist narratives. A Christian woman should stand alongside her husband as his helper, as ordained by Scripture.

Regarding culture, our current culture, including many churches, has been deeply feminized. Many churches now have ordained women pastors and women elders, delegating the masculine, authoritative task of preaching and teaching God’s Word to women. Consequently, men have become weak and passive, while women have become loud and contentious, rather than sweet, quiet, and gentle. Historically, biblical culture and even society up to like late 1800s or early 1900s was patriarchal. Men led in the home, church, and government. During that time, issues like divorce, crime, depression, and promiscuity were far less prevalent than they are today. The rise of these issues correlates with the erosion of traditional roles. There is no equality in roles and responsibilities between men and women; the relationship is hierarchical. Where equality in roles exists, it results in disorder, dysfunction, and ultimately destruction.

Now, let’s examine Genesis 3:16.

There are three interpretations of God’s pronouncement in Genesis 3:16:

1. Reaffirmation of the Creational Hierarchy:
This view sees Genesis 3:16 as reinforcing the marital hierarchy as a blessing. The wife’s desire for her husband is interpreted as devotion, and the husband’s rule over her is seen as positive leadership. This aligns with the preceding clause about childbirth (“I will surely multiply your pain in childbearing”). Despite the pain, the woman remains devoted to her husband and has children with him. However, this interpretation struggles with the context of judgment in Genesis 3:16, as it’s unclear why the man’s rule is mentioned positively when the passage deals with judgment. One explanation is that the woman’s transgression (Genesis 3:1-6) led to a “redirection” of her role, calling her back to her creation-ordained subordination to man.


2. Perversion of the Creational Hierarchy:
This view sees Genesis 3:16 as describing the distortion of roles due to sin. There are two possibilities:

Both the wife’s desire to usurp her husband’s authority and the husband’s abusive rule are viewed negatively.

The wife’s devotion to her husband is positive, but the husband’s rule becomes abusive.


This interpretation is historically popular. John Calvin, for instance, described the wife’s subjection as previously liberal and gentle but now distorted into servitude. The ESV bible translation supports this view: “Your desire shall be contrary to your husband, but he shall rule over you.” The NET Bible goes further: “You will want to control your husband, but he will dominate you.”


3. Wife’s Negative Actions, Husband’s Positive Rule:
This view interprets the wife’s desire as an attempt to usurp her husband’s authority, while the husband’s rule is a godly exercise of leadership to counteract this rebellion. This interpretation leans heavily on the parallel in Genesis 4:7 and is considered a more modern perspective and was the first interpretation I came accustomed to when I first learnt what Genesis 3:16 means.



Ultimately, the interpretation of Genesis 3:16 does not significantly alter the understanding of marital hierarchy and gender roles, as the creation account already establishes hierarchy before the fall. Regardless of the view adopted, it remains clear that God placed the husband in authority over his wife and that sin introduced corruption into this relationship.
However, egalitarians and feminists reject this creational hierarchy and attempt to root male headship solely in the fall. They often emphasize a version of View 2 that portrays the husband’s rule as introduced by God’s judgment on Eve. This perspective reflects a broader agenda to challenge traditional, biblically ordained gender roles and which ought not to be so.

(Inspired by Masculine Christianity).

GreatAchiever1:
You are really trying hard to bring up text that doesn't answer the question that I asked, how does one flesh correlate with what I just asked. But let me refute this and clearly explains how the one flesh relationship between the husband and the wife ought to be. The bible clearly defines how the relationship of the one flesh ought to be in Ephesians 5:22-33; Colossians 3:18,19; 1 Peter 3:1-7.



God named Adam, would you say it was a recognition of their mutual dependence? parents named their children, would you say it's a recognition of their dependence? humans name their pet animals (Adam did likewise also) would you say it's a recognition of their mutual dependence?



Mutual Respect and love for one another is essential in marital relationship and that tone on how to go about it according to the specific gender in the relationship has been set by Him who creates the marital institution. It's hierarchical and not equal balance of shared authority but the Husband having full and total authority over his wife as well as the household.

GreatAchiever1:
You are really trying hard to bring up text that doesn't answer the question that I asked, how does one flesh correlate with what I just asked. But let me refute this and clearly explains how the one flesh relationship between the husband and the wife ought to be. The bible clearly defines how the relationship of the one flesh ought to be in Ephesians 5:22-33; Colossians 3:18,19; 1 Peter 3:1-7.



God named Adam, would you say it was a recognition of their mutual dependence? parents named their children, would you say it's a recognition of their dependence? humans name their pet animals (Adam did likewise also) would you say it's a recognition of their mutual dependence?



Mutual Respect and love for one another is essential in marital relationship and that tone on how to go about it according to the specific gender in the relationship has been set by Him who creates the marital institution. It's hierarchical and not equal balance of shared authority but the Husband having full and total authority over his wife as well as the household.

Kingju:
What does the word assistance mean to you? If you're in an organization and i brought an assistant to help you, shea you and the assistant would be of the same status? You don see where assistant and oga get same status? Why do ogas have assistant? Abi na English dey confuse you?

That aside sef, shea after the sin, God sha made the man the head? Why the long English when it is the current standing rule? Abi did God established another new rule recently to cancel the Garden of Eden rule?

Kingju:
There's nothing like tradition there, the Biblical God is a God of order, He's Words are clear and concise in the Bible. The man is the ruler, as simple as ABC. When God came into the Garden of Eden, who did he ask the first question to? Who did he assign all the work to? If you give birth to kids in the house, the first child takes responsibility of his younger one especially when you step out, abi you go call the last child give am responsibility? Make una stop all this una pattern of trying to twist the Holy Bible to fit you people's agenda. Btw, who even talks of feminism in 2025?

Kingju:
As long as Feminism doesn't affect a woman to think that she's equal to a man then no ish, coz Holy Bible said the Man is the head and leader

Kingju:
God said Let's make a helper for the man, you no read that part?

GreatAchiever1:
Have you even read what came about that "curse" in Gen 3:16. If man and woman are equal, then why do they have different roles with woman created to be helper for a man given that man was not created for woman but woman for man.
Then answer this question pre fall, if Adam never had authority over Eve as you claimed pre-fall.
1. Why was Adam created before Eve?
2. Why did Adam have a protective role over Eve in the garden.
3. Why did Adam had a teaching role to Eve in the garden.
4. Why did Adam name Eve if Eve didn't belong to him to rule and have authority over her?
5. Why did God went to Adam first after both he and Eve sinned even though Eve sinned first.
6. Why did God rebuke Adam for listening to Eve.

Man having authority over woman was entirely the plan of God before the fall. The hierarchy has always been God->Man->Woman->Children before and after the fall.

The concept of a husband's authority and a wife's submission was not introduced as a consequence of the fall, as some like you want to interpret Genesis 3:16. Instead, this hierarchical relationship was part of God's original created order but became distorted by the fall. Like all aspects of creation, the relationship between husband and wife is now vulnerable to corruption due to sin. However, the hierarchy between the sexes originates from creation, not the fall, and is intended to be embraced as part of God's good design, not rejected.

Kingju:
As long as Feminism doesn't affect a woman to think that she's equal to a man then no ish, coz Holy Bible said the Man is the head and leader

budaatum:
I am a book reader who has a brain and a mind, and care not for convictions if the book you says supports them don't.

If you respected personal convictions, you might not gave said the following "Most of the aspects of Nigerian marriage culture that are taught and embraced in Churches do not align with Biblical principles", which shows you have no respect for false personal convictions, and which I admire in you.

budaatum:
The "overly religious women" you mention are ignorant stupid women who would likely "accept their suffering, believing that they are doing the will of God" until their pig of a husband batters them to death.

But hey. If you want to stoop to pigs level, knock yourself out please.

budaatum:
If you are talking cause, you would not be talking Bible, since Bible is not cause but later programming.

I don't know or care if God is in favour of feminism. What I do know is if not for the female, men would still be apes at best. The story where Eve used her brain to free Adam from ignorant naked slavery proves this point, as does educated Mary educating her son Jesus so he is not today known as the saviour of wood.

GreatAchiever1:
Have you even read what came about that "curse" in Gen 3:16. If man and woman are equal, then why do they have different roles with woman created to be helper for a man given that man was not created for woman but woman for man.
Then answer this question pre fall, if Adam never had authority over Eve as you claimed pre-fall.
1. Why was Adam created before Eve?
2. Why did Adam have a protective role over Eve in the garden.
3. Why did Adam had a teaching role to Eve in the garden.
4. Why did Adam name Eve if Eve didn't belong to him to rule and have authority over her?
5. Why did God went to Adam first after both he and Eve sinned even though Eve sinned first.
6. Why did God rebuke Adam for listening to Eve.

Man having authority over woman was entirely the plan of God before the fall. The hierarchy has always been God->Man->Woman->Children before and after the fall.

The concept of a husband's authority and a wife's submission was not introduced as a consequence of the fall, as some like you want to interpret Genesis 3:16. Instead, this hierarchical relationship was part of God's original created order but became distorted by the fall. Like all aspects of creation, the relationship between husband and wife is now vulnerable to corruption due to sin. However, the hierarchy between the sexes originates from creation, not the fall, and is intended to be embraced as part of God's good design, not rejected.

budaatum:
That's what a man will write to program women into submission. Smart women know men come from between their thighs and must suck breast to develop a brain or they will surely die.

One quote from one book does not prove anything to those who can use their own heart and soul and mind and brain in their own head to seek for knowledge and understanding.

budaatum:
Those who read only one book die of ignorance! So I will suggest you expand your reading.

The only reason the Bible puts authority in men over women is because pigs wrote it to deceive women who actually do have authority over men.

Think of it like reprogramming, or the introduction of an alternative reality, since it is initially written that "So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them".

But I guess we haven't yet evolved to being able to critically read what we read, and just read into it what we've been told to believe before we actually read it ourselves, or how else would a person with eyes claim Adam created from mud is in God's image.

budaatum:
Are you saying there are biblical verses in support of feminism? If so, please share.

Personally, if educated woman Mary had not educated her son Jesus, he would have spent his life nailing wood. And if woman Eve had not used her senses to test for herself if knowledge killed, Adam would have remained a naked ignorant slave in Eden.