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superlightning:
again, I have never downplayed Soyinka's Nobel prize. save yourself the insecurity my brother.

You are the insecured one. Achebe wrote good books...he was a good storyteller but he was not a creative artist. Period!

Nobel is looking for innovators...those who break the barriers of human knowledge in literature. Soyinka did that!

Ill ask you again, name one work of classic that Achebe created. Just one!

Abeg let your hero rest, stop ridiculing him on internet. You all should have told Reno to regard Achebe as untouchable, you did not do that and allowed him to desecrate his honors on social media. Let the man rest.

superlightning:
the Nobel club themselves aren't denying their Eurocentrism, its their prize after all.

The award is not given posthumously. There will never be a Nobel Prize for Achebe.

Every part of the world accepts Nobel Prize as a measure of excellence, except Achebe people who see it as irrelevant. Very funny.

superlightning:
my brother, its NOT about who is brave or who is a coward (if that's what you mean).

its about approach. Achebe was forward and assertive while Soyinka was cunning and persuasive.

You don't have to make wrong assumptions.

Nobel prize is about "creativity", not attributes.

Soyinka is not just the first African to win the prize, he is also the first black in the world to win it.

Many scholars around the world have written and compared Yoruba culture and civilization to Greek. So it should be quite expected that someone like Soyinka who is adept at demistifying myths through his works would appeal to Judges looking for classics and mastery of written arts in literature.

The superiority of Soyinka to Achebe is rooted in the superiority of Yoruba as a classic civilization. Soyinka was a modern mouthpiece to share it with the world.

What claassic did Achebe share? None! Thats why he remains a popular writer but not a master creator like Soyinka.

superlightning:
Nardine Gordimer, a NOBEL LAUREATE herself from south Africa, called Achebe the father of modern African "literature".

Achebe's works impacted NELSON MANDELA (a Nobel peace prize laureate), Maya Angelou, and other African greats.

let's put sentiments aside, Achebe did a job no one in his era would comfortably do - fight back racism against africa with the pen. he inspired a new generation of writers all over the world especially among Africans.

Soyinka is sincerely great. his works are charming and 'non-aggressive' towards europe. and he deserves a Nobel prize for it.

I knew it would come to this eventually. Soyinka was soft, Achebe was brave.

Is Ngozi soft for her Eurocentric appeal, and is it the softness that advances her internationally?

superlightning:
you keep citing the Nobel prize as though it is the ultimate prize. it isnt. the prize (amongst other literature prizes) is not what makes the literature, rather it is the literature that makes the prize.

Africans, Asians, Americans, Arabs can also start their own mouthwatering legacy prize like the swede named Alfred Nobel did for Europe. Its a good and honorable thing, but it doesn't necessarily determine what should be literature and what shouldn't.

How many times has Achebe's works been a contender on the Nobel Award list? Answer that.

kayfra:
Nobel prizes are not based on popularity. It's not a popularity contest. Literary work is very subjective and you have the most subjective experts agreeing that Soyinka's work deserves the award and Achebe's not so deserving in spite of the popularity of his great work.

Let it end there. The two friends didn't butt heads while Achebe was alive.

Reno Omkri loves to wind them up. He knows what makes them tick. Everytime he writes nonsense on tweeter they jump on it.

superlightning:
I have never ever downplayed Soyinka's Nobel prize. His works are one of the G.O.A.T just as that of achebe. What am saying is that his works on African literature is EUROCENTRIC. pls get my point.

Is the alphabet Achebe wrote the texts of his books in not Eurocentric? Did he write his works in Ibocentric alphabets, or Latin styled alphabets?

Get a grip and stop opening thread on issues you cannot win.

superlightning:
1. when I said "Eurocentric", I didn't mean "non-european". They both mean different things.

2. both Achebe and Soyinka are embodiments of literature. there is no genre of literature that is better than the other.

3. in terms of popularity and reach, its Achebe. remember, he is often called "father of modern African LITERATURE", because of "things fall apart" and "criticism on Joseph Conrad's narrative about Africa"

for instance, the link posted below tries to explain what an embodiment of "LITERATURE" is. you don't have to be everything before you are being honored as the "father of modern African LITERATURE"

https://face2faceafrica.com/article/celebrating-life-literary-giant-chinua-achebe-works

https://www.google.com/url?q=https://qz.com/africa/1480548/chinua-achebes-things-fall-apart-at-60-and-african-english/&sa=U&ved=0ahUKEwj-0MGjqqDiAhXQbVAKHdyoCsU4ChCpAgglKAAwCQ&usg=AOvVaw1IVFtx8Vgk7womsp3c0h-u

as I stated earlier, Achebe and Soyinka are both embodiments of literature.

True but literature is a description for genre of works in written arts, which include published books, poems, creative works, and can range from simple composition to a more noble range having superior merit to become classic.

Unlike Achebe's, a panel of reputable Judges with exposure in the field reviewed works from all over the globe and gave Soyinka the trophy for the most superior in the art of written works. With the award he beat scholars even of European descent. Its not a competition between Soyinka and Achebe.....its between Soyinka and the world, and he won it!

Now you are bitter that Yoruba won award for superiority in literature around the globe.

How many times has Achebe's work been nominated for Nobel Literature Prize?

superlightning:
my dear brother, the Nobel prize, despite its prestige, is a Eurocentric prize, that is why literati like Leo Tolstoy, Ernest Hemingway, Chinua achebe, etc whose works didn't blend with eurocentrism were ignored.

Secondly, between Achebe and Soyinka, non outshines the other in terms of works, but in terms of popularity, it is Achebe. Even Soyinka himself was quoted saying a literature enthuasist ran to him in excitement, when asked which of his works he has read, the man said "Things fall Apart".

till date, chinua Achebe's triology (especially "things fall apart"is often ranked as one of the best reads in the world.

NB: Nobel prize is not the best or highest prize on earth. speak with facts and not emotion.

If Achebe, not Soyinka, had won the prize your conclusions about the Nobel Prize will be different.

Many of you praise Ngozi Okonjo Iweala for her Eurocentric ideals and recognition around the world. Do you not?

When it is Ibo, Eurocentric is good, when it is others, Eurocentric is irrelevant.

Its the same mindset that make your brothers create parallel trade unions when leadership of mainstream organizations is occupied by non-Ibos. You have a problem taking orders from non-Ibos....but complain that you are barred from leadership. It shouldnt be too difficult to understand the root reason for your exclusion in affairs.

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Here it is...

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helinues:
Are Ndigbo's afraid of Ipobs??

Very much. FG is the one restraining ipob, otherwise every Ibo man, woman and child woupd by now be conscripted, willingly or unwillingly, and carry an ipob ID. Mainstream Ibo fear ipob.

oilPUSSY:
Being successful is a normalcy to my people especially on individual basis . I am not seeing it as a big deal... Some of us that brag about it do that to spite those who have been spreading the propaganda that they are the most educated and enlightened tribe in Nigeria even when WAEC, JAMB, lifestyle ETC are showing how they are competing with NE and NW..
Should I start discussing about number of Igbos that have won election in diaspora ?
It's a topic for another day.. All thanks to social media for exposing these lies mgbatti mgbatti people have sold for decades which they didn't succeed anyways . So when you see them showing their envy towards Igbos, it's understandable. You envy and struggle to catch up with people that are above you. Have you seen them envying @boki ?
Tell me where ngbatimgbatiii are better than Igbos ?
Is about our numerical strength ?


As for that issue of presidency, personally I am less interested in the presidency. Nigeria and Nigerians can keep decaying for all I care ..
Igbos should preserve their genetic talents and innovations for Igbo nation which is inevitable.
Nigeria and Nigerians dont deserve it...

You are a victim of social media scam if you jubilate when a Tobichuckwu score 6.9 on a 4.0 scale. Focus on that!

You all have been f00led!
It is not possible on a 4.0 GPA scale to make a 6.9. Not possible my people.

This scam report is suggesting a student in Nigeria can score 150% on a academic grade scale of 100%. Is that possible in Nigeria? If its not here how is it possible anywhere else?

Alhaji Ned Nwoko recently gifted his new wife, Mrs Fatima Nwoko (nee Daniels) a Mercedes G Wagon Brabus.

MorufuAtanda:
The Yorubas jubilated the day Abacha died, it was like Christmas before December, the Yoruba media wrote and demonized everybody associated with that regime. It's still baffles me till today how we Yoruba hated and demonized Abacha and his regime but support a buhari who was the engine of that same evil regime.

Is there any tribe more hypocritical than the Yoruba race?

The wealthiest Yorubas are not in Buhari's camp, but the wealthiest Ibos - Orji Uzor Kalu, Arthur Eze - contributed money for the re-election of Buhari. They are funding an evil regime.

No, he should not. There are certain arrangements existing before your marriage to her, any non-obligatory relationship and commitments should be clarified with her before, not after marriage, and possibly ceased....but obligatory relationships, like allowance to mother should continue; no need to disclose amount and her authority or approval is not needed. As a courtesy it could be mentioned so she knows. "Darling, I have two wives, my mother and yourself. Neither of you will ever go hungry as long God continue to bless our means".

A good woman will appreciate the honesty . If she probes for the amount or question your commitment....thats a yellow flag! You can interprete the color the way it pleases you.....beauty afterall, is in the eye of beholder.

Warship:
Repeat this post in public after your masters deny the Igbos the presidency in 2023, 2027, 2031 and watch yourself being lynched by a mob of angry Igbos.


The best way to kill IPOB is to give Igbos their desire which are:

1) True Federalism/Restructuring/Weak Center.
2) Igbo Presidency/International Seaports & Airports.

Anything outside these things, means you are not serious.

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I believe Atiku had tresspased the treason rule many times but was overlooked. Beside, declaring to sell our national asset and use his administration to enrich his friends was nothing but a threat to security of the nation.

First, Atiku was not on the side of MKO. He in fact remained on same side with Shehu Yaradua, not Abiola. Atiku was a candidate in the primary and after his defeat he opposed Abiola, the winner of primary.

Second, Ekwueme was not in the Democracy Coalition called NADECO, which was the beacon and navigator that forced out military. Atiku was not in NADECO either.

Back door to grazing corridor for herdsmen.

Fear is a very strong tool that can change human behavior and blur our logic. It is a disease that eats away at reasoning and makes man insensitive. There are several reasons for this. One is that logic is slow; fear is fast. In situations of danger, real or imagined, we ought to be fast: First run or kill, then think. Historically, tribal demagogues have always weaponized fear and used it to manipulate and intimidate communities.

IPOB and Nnamdi Kanu clearly understand this. They have, thus, mastered the skill of using fear to circumvent logic across Igbo land. They have hijacked the higher-brain capacity for critical thinking and reason of many Igbos. IPOB’s onslaught of sub-rational manipulation using fear, dangerously wrapped with tribal sentiments has impaired the judgment we need as Igbos to navigate multicultural Nigeria.

In every media campaign of misinformation and outright lies, therefore, IPOB craftily works on triggering the emotions of Igbos. If they are not warning us that the Yorubas will betray us, they are raising a false alarm on the onslaught of Usman dan Fodio army from the north. The real danger of succumbing to IPOB’s fear mongering is that after a while, the immersion in our tribal loyalty makes the activities of every other tribe not just alien but close to incomprehensible.

Per Les Brown, fear does not have any special power unless you empower it by submitting to it. Unfortunately, for years, Igbos submitted to IPOB’s fear mongering ideology. Igbos allowed a bunch of lazy men in IPOB to operate as tribal leaders who arrogated to themselves the title of “Supreme Leader”. Hoodwinked, many Igbos stopped thinking. We pick signals from IPOB’s internet warriors. Slowly, we winnow our acquaintances to those who will reinforce our worldview. So, we all became vulnerable.

The intellectual elites in Igbo land, including Ohaneze Ndigbo rather than being a key rational bloc resisting this manipulation of the enigmatic Biafran Spirit, surrendered their minds to fear. They succumbed to the manipulation of tribalism by frauds in IPOB.

It is shameful that we allowed IPOB to use our tribal vulnerability to manipulate us. By irrationally “ordering” Ndigbo to “sit-at-home” as they wish, the lazy men behind IPOB have succeeded in using fear to block our logic. The same Igbos who will sheepishly “sit-at-home, will turn around and lament when the same mediocre in IPOB decrees that there will be no election in Igbo land.

IPOB understands that fear is a static that prevents us from hearing ourselves. Because fear is not a good teacher, the lessons of fear are quickly forgotten. So, even though IPOB failed woefully in the Anambra election boycott, they deployed the same strategy and told us to boycott the 2019 presidential elections.

We turned around and blamed Buhari for “setting him free.” We forgot that we had accused the same Buhari of killing Nnamdi Kanu a couple of months back. Then, like a confused chicken, Nnamdi Kanu quickly reversed gear and ordered us to vote for Atiku claiming that “terms have been met, signed, sealed and delivered”. Like zombies, some of us sheepishly hailed him. Shameful.

What should Igbos do to restore reason? How do we stop IPOB’s partisan tribalism from poisoning our politics and derailing our unhindered progress in Nigeria?
The first thing we must do is; stop beating a drum with an axe like IPOB and Nnamdi Kanu.

IPOB’s political strategy based on fear should be seen by all Igbos as a lengthened shadow of ignorance that has consistently presented illusions as realities. It leads to anger. The anger, in turn, leads to hate; with hate in our hearts, we make a political miscalculation. Then we fear political retribution and the vicious cycle goes on.

As Igbos, we should convince ourselves that there is something out there in Nigeria that is more important than fear. The fear of living together with dozens of other ethnic groups in Nigeria will not go away. The fear of being cheated by other tribes in the Nigerian political and economic realms will not go away.

However, as warriors, Igbos should embrace the code of necessity, which dictates that the battle must be fought anew every day and bridges built across the Nigerian political landscape.

To succeed, we should start living our dreams and stop leaving the fear used by IPOB to envelop our reasoning. For example, Igbos who approached the Lagos State governorship election under the atmosphere of fear and the misleading assumption that Tinubu and APC will swallow them failed. On the other hand, Igbos, motivated by the need to form an alliance with a candidate that openly sought their support, succeeded.

Finally, a child who is afraid of the dark could be forgiven, but, when a man becomes afraid of light, then, there is a real tragedy of life. Fear, as packaged and delivered by IPOP on our collective ethnic sensitivity, is a deadly thing. It is sinister that has warped our judgment and frozen our reflexes. Worse, it's contagious.

To keep excelling, Ndigbo must move against IPOB’s imposition of fear on all of us with the weapons of faith and love. With love, our best efforts at economic, social, political and educational endeavors across the Nigerian landscape will be rewarded with a bountiful harvest.

Ndigbo should not succumb to the politics of fear by the naked men in IPOB who are offering us clothes. To gain strength, courage, and confidence, we must do the things which IPOB out of fear has made us believe we cannot do.

Together, we can.

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My first time seeing this.

Olu317:
@ MetaPhysical, I love this touch you introduced because you are hitting it exactly where civiization all begun. Though I see one or two contentious words but I give it you.And pointing at the direction who Yoruba ancestors were. The Chosen ones( eni ayan) were and are the identity or the name God gave unto the Yoruba ancestors who developed the universe with their ritual language. Anyway, I don't blame some quarters who thought,some people moved out of Ife without them being an Ifa initiates . Ife oodaye/owodaiye remain Yoruba's.





God bless you Sir



Olu

Thank you my brother. The list is vast, i found there are even cognates in french and spanish. I left those out.

Which ones are contentious? If you have a better fit please share lets review and update.

3million naira for whattt

This country is fvckd up. 3million naira



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8uocOttaHY

DabuIIIT:
Now you know,huh!? Whether their are Fulani in igbos forests of not, you yorubas brought this upon us all.
In fact,the armed fulanis are in every jungle in the south...

Keep on talking about igbos day and night.


Shebi una darling Buhari dey aso rock,una Neva Chee chum chin..

DabullIT, these herdsmen have been carrying ak47 and terrorizing communities since Obasanjo was President. So shut up!

raker300:
And all they do is talk about igbos all day here.

The same thing they mentioned here are on the ground in Igboland. Who is doing the study in your forests to locate and pinpoint these terrorists?