₦airaland Forum

ReysonDrabek:
I dont understand how your insecurities are relevant to my comments. Did i claim dan fodio created sufi islam or that it was exclusive to him? Didnt i make it glaringly clear that it was this creed that dominates/dominated west africa? There is no such thing as babalawo in islam, anyone who claims to be that is committing shirk and is the gravest sin in islam. Would hardly describe someone like that as a muslim.

ReysonDrabek:
"Sufi" was the word i was looking for not "salaf". These are the adherents of the original creed of islam brought by Usman Dan Fodio, the same creed found in most west african countries like mali and senegal. Better known as "yan darika". As you know these are huge divide between sufis and "izalas" who are purer sunnis.

You should also know that among sunnnis, the name "abubakar" is less prevalent among sufis and more prevalent among the izalas. I said less common, not completely absent. Sufis prefer the usage of the names of prophets. Among sects in islam various groups have certain tendencies as far as names are concerned.

johnie:
Thank you so much!

johnie:
Wow!

Thanks.

I found your contribution on as as name toning particularly enlightening.

Name toning explains why a lot of names end with vowels

e.g. Abibu (Habeeb), Moshoodi, (Masoud), Halimatu (Halimat), Samueli(Samuel), Dafidi (David), Jakobu (Jacob/James) etc.

The toning of the Muslim names also explains what has now become known as the H-factor among some Yorubas.

I suppose those who attended Arsbic schools before going to western schools and their subsequent pupils are likely to exhibit the H-factor.

The H-factor is when people add an 'h' before English words where they shouldn't. If you have heard Falz speak as the bad guy, you will 'hunderstand' this.

Your contribution on name breakdown was also helpful:

divine cause (amu t'Orunwa)
individual personality (oriki)
circumstance in delivery (abiso)
family pedigree (ebi).
alias name

Now, I understand something I have tried to find a solid explanation for for a king time - why names like

Haruna Ishola,
Batile Alake,
Kollington Ayinla,
Wasiu Ayinde Barrister,
Sikiru Ayinde Barrister,
Abass Akande Obesere
Salawa Abeni,
Wasiu Alabi Pasuma,
Sule Alao Malaika,
Sefiu Alao

all sound so melodious.

However, I think this applies mainly to Muslims.

If you drew a list of Christian's from the same setting (e.g. juju musicians who are/were mainly christians), you would find that this rule will not hold true.

These Chrirtians have oriki names but didn't/don't use them. Even their Christian names or stylized or completely dropped. Instead, they'd use titles such as Emperor, King, Commander, Sir, etc.

It was this style of using titles that later Fuji musicians like the barristers, pasuma, obesere, malaika picked up.

Traditionally, like you rightly pointed out, people are given a series of names but there is a set that sticks as they grow up.

Too bad we are losing a lot of this culture.




Your contribution is very enlightening. It however still begs the question.

Why is it that some names are common in a section of the country but not in others, even though they are from the same religion practised in all those sections?

PAGAN9JA:
May I ask you where did you get the bolded information from?

johnie:
Thanks for your input.

My question really is that some names people bear in some regions are not borne in others.

E.g.

Masoud is a common name in Egypt. You would find it in Yoruba as Moshood.

I am yet to come across a northerner bearing the name.

Same goes for Rachid (Rasheed), Saeed (Saheed), Majeed (Mojid), , Wasiu.

If you anyone knows any prominent northerner bearing these names, list them here:

Rachid
Saeed
Waleed
Masoud
Wasiu


Similarly, if anyone knows any prominent Yoruba bearing the following names (which are common in North Africa), list them here

Abdullahi
Abubakar
Musa

Note that I said northerner. Abubakar and Abdurahman are names common to northerners and middle belters but not Yorubas.

hammerFC:
UWAZURUIKE AND HIS HUSBAND ALMUSTAPHA



THIS IS ASARI BROTHER AND FRIEND.



ASARI WAS THE MOLE BETRAYING KANU AND IPOB.

hammerFC:
BOTH FULANI, YORUBA AND ASARI ARE A DISGRACE.


NNAMDI KANU REMAINS MY HERO.

macof:
The name Ilé-Ifè was not brought by Odudua
The land from inception was called ife.. "ile" was added to the name like its typical to Yoruba cities
Eg. Oyo-ilé, Èkó-ilé, Imesi-ilé
This pattern is done using "ode" as well eg."òde-itsekiri", Ìjẹ̀bú-òde

hammerFC:
AFONJA, ARE U THE ONE REMOTING ASARI?

NOTE, IGBO ARE NOT CRYING OVER ASARI RANT.

WEN HE THREATENED YORUBA, U SAW THE WAY U LOT CRIED?

DAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN US.

MetaPhysical:
forget what the Ijaw did with British, thats not the issue. Focus on what Ijaw did to you!

Igbo hinterland was under the ownership of Royal Niger Company....a trading company! This means Ijaw territory was already a PROTECTORATE while you were still a cartel owned by RNC, which later became UAC.

hammerFC:
THAT WAS IN THE 15TH CENTURY.

THE AREA WAS IGBO DOMINATED WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE COAST WHICH THE IGBO AVOIDED.

THIS LED TO IJAW AND OTHER RIVERINE NORMAD CAPITALISING UPON ITS AVAILABILITY TO SETTLE.

SO WAT HE SAID WAS A HISTORY AND ONE THE IGBOS OUGHT TO LEARN AND KNOW.

AS FOR IJAW BEING MASTER AND IGBO SLAVE, I THINK THAT IS AKIN TO THE IJAW NATIONAL CAP BEING THE WHITE SLAVE MASTER HAT.

IJAW WERE SLAVES DOING THE BIDDING OF THE WHITE AND CATCHING MORE SLAVES FOR THE WHITES TO SURVIVE WHICH HAPPENED TO BE THE IGBOS.

ARE THE IJAWS TO BLAME FOR THAT HISTORY, I DONT THINK SO AND NEITHER ARE THE EFIK.

THE BRITISH THAT TOOK EVERYBODY SLAVE AND SET US UPON EACH OTHER ARE TO BLAME.

AFTERALL, THEIR COASTAL TERRITORY WAS UNDER COLONIAL ADMINISTRATION WEN IGBO INLAND TERRITORY WAS STILL FREE.

hammerFC:
ASARI DID NOT TAKE A SWIPE AT IGBOS.


HE ONLY REMINDED US OF THE PART THEY PLAYED IN CAPTURING THE INLAND IGBOS FOR THE WHITE SLAVE MASTERS.


THE COASTAL TRIBES OF IJAW AND EFIK WERE USED BY WHITES TO CAPTURE INLAND IGBOS DAT WERE TAKEN TO AMERICA DURING THE TRANSATLANTIC SLAVE TRADE.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1sZ2CSAxyI

hammerFC:
THE STORY OF JAJA OF OPOBO IS A VERY FAMOUS ONE.


HOWEVER, THERE WAS NOTHING LIKE IJAW THEN, JUST COASTAL NORMADS AND THE FIRST TO BE ENSLAVED BY THE WHITES DIRECTLY, BEFORE BEING GROOMED TO HELP DEM CAPTURE MORE SLAVES INLAND.


RIGHT THERE ON THEIR LAND 12 YEAR OLD JAJA AN IGBO, BECAME THEIR KING AND FOUNDER OF IJAW NATION.


ASARI HIMSELF HAS IGBO BLOOD, NEVER A FULL BLOODED IJAW MAN.

PFRB:
King Jaja of Opobo is a fulani man eh ?

Odingo1:
Igbos have never been a slave to Bini kingdom despite their exploits up to Lagos to talk of Ijaw. How many places in Igboland show evidence of Ijaw control.

The man is just making mouth abeg.In Lagos there is clear evidence of Bini Empire lordship and in Ilorin there is clear evidence of emirate stool ruling over it till date.

veeceesynergy:
Dats d major reason d crime rate in Saudi is extremely low. Until we make a law permiting CAPITAL PUNISHMENT for corruption, kidnapping, armed robbery, Nigeria wont get any better.

PAGAN9JA:
There is some truth in what the Ooni says and I see where he is getting at.

However, the truth will not have much impact on the current tribal structures.


What The Ooni is trying to articulate is that the Igbo and Yoruba are from a distant common ancestry. An ancestry way older than Oduduwa or Nri. Both tribes belong to the YEAI Group of Volta-Niger tribes.


However this division happened 1000s of years ago. Its not a division but a natural evolutionary process of diversion of tribes.

Just like how we diverged from chimpanzees and we both share a common ancestor in a now extinct species of Great ape-like ancestors. Yet we dont really intermarry with Chimps do we ? This evolution dates way back when compared to evolution of human tribes. The Chimpanzee-human evolution has crossed the barrier of separate species which will produce sterile offspring if ever there was interbreeding.

Therefore in these terms an Igbo is much closer to a Yoruba and an Edo then say to a Hausa or Arab or Chinese.

In the same manner. A Yoruba is much closer to Igala , Itsekiri than to Igbo. and diverse Yoruba clans are the closest in that they are modern evolved culture with minimal differences and a more concrete form.


This is not interbreeding but diversionary evolution.


Therefore while the Ooni does have a point, it is of no relevance today except to understand where intertribal co-operation and relationship stands in the modern world.

The two cultures and genetic strains have diverged to such a point and to different lifestyles and conditions in that they have developed completely different cultures, language, spirituality and identity with very faint traces of their original ancestral similar culture left in their physique. E.g., faint similarities in some traditional religious references or lingusitc terms and other practices.

They have also slowly evolved different phenotype as well. flat head/ round head.


Thus the Ooni's real point which he is not able to articulate is that in terms of intertribal relationships, we must be conscious where we stand in politics.

A Yoruba must stand first with an Itsekiri and then with an Igbo and then with any other tribe.

He must understand his concentric circle of intertribal relations and where his first allegiance lies. First with his blood people, then his first cousins, then his second cousins, then the nation and then the rest of the world.


@macof what do you have to say about this.

Gandollar:
What else is Sharia if not fetish for blood and massacre?

Mopolchi:
We are winning this...PDP...Power to the People!