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Herdsmen:
Guy na fear dey fear me..
You get..
Your juju Marine sepertine ..no reach.

Being clean in your talk...and expecting same consideration is your business..
Abi you dey threatene my freedom of speech..
Tell mods to do the needful if you if say I cross your boundary..

But to use nonsense threatened..... E no work.

Everybody get where he belong..
So you fit try..

Dude keep quiet! Just keep quiet. Nobody know you for online, stop flexing and challenging me like that. You go try one day with someone with temper and enter one chance. Power pass power. Nothing dey your hand. I go turn am to water in your hand and command you to follow am flow like fish. Abi you don craze sef?

Herdsmen:
Olboy swear n see for yourself..

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Na so una dey make mouth online. Small time people go see you outside begin pity you, wondering who did you like this...not knowing you self destructed. Anyway...no worry. Carry go but just be mindful how you talk to me. I am clean in my talk, I expect same consideration.

If America makes the mistake and issues visa to Atiku they will open a very stinky can of worms. What I'm learning is that there are actually many persons around the world that were either government officials or highly visible private citizens and are equally banned from entering US under one or multiple offenses classified as AML, CTF, PEP and FATF. Many of these were not investigated in Congress like Atiku was and so their case was not prominent but nonetheless were investigated by FBI and entered into records. Some are dead. The ones alive are watching to see what would happen in case of Atiku. Since it's a global agreement, it's beyond the US President to work around it without creating a precedence that lawyers would jump on and exploit for their clients in similar circumstance. Trump is already facing fire on many fronts and I am not sure he would rock the boat any more than necessary now that opposition is in control of House. Moreover, about 80days to go to election, they might just play wait & see. If Atiku wins election he becomes Head of Government. The Nigerian sovereignty cannot be barred from coming to US, that's the seat of UN. Therefore he can travel to US under clause and privilege of Head of Sovereignty. His own recognition as Atiku Abubakar will continue to disqualify him.

rhektor:
You've actually succeeded in creating more confusion than explanation here sir. Your write-up here did not in any way explain the saving process of Èṣù in Yoruba spiritual belief system it only try to draw a similarity between some Abrahamic religion which are even distinct in the aspect of one believing in trinity and the other two did not

You are not going to get me to talk more than I am willing to do on this topic of ESU.


ESU is not a bad force. ESU is a cleansing, we all need ESU.


We love food and acknowledge it as a necessity to survival and growth, but how many people see shit equally as a necessity for balance, survival, wellness and even growth? We desire the smell and aroma of cooked food but detest that of shit. The two are paired opposite and interwoven, can't do one without other and expect to remain alive. Sorry to use this as example.


The human must be taken through the fire of life and burnt. The burning fire is a cleansing that transforms the mortal to an immortal. We die first so we can live for ever. The death is made possible through acts of sacrifice and self-restraints. But restraint against what? Ok, so sons and daughters of Adam are innately slaves of sensory and appetite. When engrossed in their innate nature the god within is clouded and remains locked in, never rising to the surface, and so the individual is never evolved beyond basic capacities of living. In contrast, an individual who practices restraints and sacrifice will soon master the basic instincts and suppress it sufficiently that he can at will call forth the god within to manifest. The principle of Omoluabi teaches this.



So as the individual masters self, the malevolent and benevolent forces are bent one way or the other to him/her. The malevolent cleanses, followed by the rewarding benevolent. If the individual fights against this cleansing force the reward that must follow is delayed, and until he learns and succumbs to the cleansing he will never be rewarded. Some people die in their struggle against cleansing. They do not appreciate the importance of the fire that burns them and to accept it as their fate, allow its term to run through so they can acquire knowledge and growth. Now, the custodian of this cleansing and redemption is who ESU is. We need both the burning fire and its cleansing as a stepping stone to discover the divine self.


The relationship between the God's authority, mankind and the divinity of ESU is best depicted in a crypted message hidden in the myth of Oduduwa and creation. I will be very very brief on this one and not say too much. I thank God Almighty for creating me amongst a people called Yoruba. I am truly thankful and give grace and gratitude to God. Yoruba philosophies and manuscripts of nature are perfect and permanent for mankind.



You remember that I wrote this in my last post?

The knowledge is
1) an unknown hidden creative force depicted by Eiye (bird)
2) a known but hidden self depicted by inner consciousness
3) a known and visible material depicted via sensory organs

Beyond this knowledge there is also a mystery and secret.

MYTH

Oduduwa descended the chain from heaven to the water below and brought with him...
1) a cockerel
2) a snail shell containing sand
3) a palm kernel

I shouldn't have to explain the connection between the two positions to you if you are truly Yoruba.

Also, below is what Wikipedia wrote on etymology of Oduduwa and you can see the two knowledge above repeated here as well from an independent understanding.

Etymology

Oduduwa is the power of the womb, that brings forth into existence
Oduduwa represents omnipotence, the ability to affect and reconstruct the physical reality at will.
Oduduwa - odu da uwa - odu to da iwa - the principle that created the physical reality



If you are still not clear on ESU, I am sorry, this is the last I can contribute publicly on it.

Herdsmen:
Atiku Obi

Official nightmare of zombies and buharideens..


Na second dem dey use to study this man Atiku .. and na from different angles..

Yes Olodo na still dullard..

Atikulating with pride..

Op Lagoon dey close to you.. you can still do the needful , why we successfully retire jubril to Sudan .

Thanks

If I take that Lagoon swear for you ehn, e go catch you. My ancestry came out of that Lagoon, so be careful and watch your tongue. Talk politics and leave other matters out.

Na which one be akeweje of Lagos again o? Afi akeweje na!

May his soul rest in peace.

rhektor:
I still find it difficult to accept this your explanation of Èṣù. If the Yorùbá has this in his oríkì "a báni wá ọ̀ràn bá ò rí dá" The one who get you troubles even when you don't know how to /the one who get you into trouble when there's seems to be no trouble. Then we can infer that Yorùbá concept of Èṣù is not of a saviour but and evil doer. I don't know where you got your concept of èṣù as a saviour from but I'm sure it is not right. Nothing depicts Èṣù as a saviour in his oríkì. Laaroye ọkùnrin ogún, belekun sunkún keru o bá elekun, this line shows that èṣù escalates matters not that he reduce it. Secondly, to claim that the Hebrew do not have a concept of evil is just too vague. Did you actually read the Bible and how it depict the Jewish nation? If yes you would have noticed that Satan was mentioned in the old testament and in the new so how come they do not have the concept of what was very obvious in their history? You in fact flawed your logic by writing this "can good exist without evil" you further stated just like Job in the old testament sated that can we receive good without evil? You claim because God permit evil then the idea that the devil is not the doer of evil. How much has the devil paid you to venerate him? Mr olu please review your comment above and present it the way it should be

The concept of paradox, in theory and substance, is native to Yoruba cosmology. Our philosophy also contain touch-points that take reference from duality in nature, whether in living organisms or non-living matters. If you notice in Yoruba art ESU is symbolised with number three. The 'three" is however distributed into different applications of utility. Example is the three markings of ESU on Yoruba crowns, another utility is "orita meta" (the three crossroads), just to mention a few.

The knowledge is
1) an unknown hidden creative force depicted by Eiye (bird)
2) a known but hidden self depicted by inner consciousness
3) a known and visible material depicted via sensory organs

Beyond this knowledge there is also a mystery and secret.

The self activates an impulse
The impulse results in an action that generates an opposite reaction
The reaction produces a result.

The result is the experiencing of ESU as a malevolent or benevolent force. The force of salvation. I am skirting around the topic and being careful not to say too much and invite wrong responses and misunderstanding from readers.

The ritual of trinity in Christianity is same as the ritual of three in Islam and is also the same understanding in Qabalah in Judaism and Sufism in Islam. They are all coincided with the three in ESU.

gmercy713:
Don't know why we love developing other's economy class leaving ours in a bad state.
The same next level lads that wanted him to visit USA are still seeking a way for him not to be able to visit the same country.
Something is wrong with our political class and citizens aren't going to be able to do anything to their oppressors.

Nigeria must learn from this. Particularly our leaders must learn from it.

If you are a patriotic citizen I expect you to learn from this and use it as yardstick to hold other leaders and PEPs in this country accountable, regardless if they are PDP or APC. Stop commenting like a political saboteur.

FINANCIAL ACTION TASK FORCE

The FATF Recommendations are recognised as the global anti-money laundering (AML) and counter-terrorist financing (CFT) standard. 1. A politically exposed person (PEP) is defined by the Financial Action Task Force (FATF) as an individual who is or has been entrusted with a prominent public function.

Go here for more...
http://www.fatf-gafi.org/media/fatf/documents/recommendations/Guidance-PEP-Rec12-22.pdf

In regard to Atiku's visa standing, Alhaji is not on same status as is an ordinary citizen, he is in a different political class and treated in accordance with that status. See below for more explanation on how he is viewed, particularly in US and how this hinders his visa application. This will shed light on reason for his denial.


PEP- POLITICALLY EXPOSED PERSON

In financial regulation, "politically exposed person" (PEP) is a term describing someone who has been entrusted with a prominent public function. A PEP generally presents a higher risk for potential involvement in bribery and corruption by virtue of their position and the influence that they may hold. The terms politically exposed person and senior foreign political figure are often used interchangeably, particularly in international forums. Foreign official is a term for individuals deemed as government persons under the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act or FCPA, and although definitions are similar to PEP, there are quite a few differences and should not be used interchangeably. The term PEP is typically used referring to customers in the financial services industry, while 'foreign official' refers to the risks of third party relationships in all industries.

While there is no global definition of a PEP, most countries have based their definition on the 2003 Financial Action Task Force on Money Laundering (FATF) standard, as for example the Swiss financial market regulator in 2011, which quoted it as "the international standard"[1] or the Australian government in 2015.[2] FATF is an international inter-governmental body, founded in 1989 on the initiative of the G7 and hosted by the OECD, to set standards and promote implementing measures against money laundering, financing of terrorism and financing of proliferation of weapons of mass destruction to preserve the integrity of the global financial system.[3]:2

In February 2012, the FATF's latest definition of politically exposed persons (PEP), revised from 2003, is as follows:[3]:123

Foreign PEPs: individuals who are or have been entrusted with prominent public functions by a foreign country, for example Heads of state or Heads of government, senior politicians, senior government, judicial or military officials, senior executives of state owned corporations, important political party officials.
Domestic PEPs: individuals who are or have been entrusted domestically with prominent public functions, for example Heads of State or of government, senior politicians, senior government, judicial or military officials, senior executives of state owned corporations, important political party officials. (Not all countries subscribe to the concept of domestic PEPs with respect to regulatory requirements/application of due diligence. For example, US law, specifically Section 312 of the USA Patriot Act and its implementing regulations provide for enhanced due diligence for SFPFs (Senior Foreign Political Figure) only, defined as: "a current or former senior official in the executive, legislative, administrative, military, or judicial branches of a 'foreign' government...a senior official of a major 'foreign' political party; and a senior executive of a 'foreign' government-owned commercial enterprise.)
Persons who are or have been entrusted with a prominent function by a state owned enterprise or an international organisation refers to members of senior management, i.e. directors, deputy directors and members of the board or equivalent functions.
Requirements for a PEP apply to family members or close associates, any individual publicly known, or known by the financial institution to be a close personal or professional associate.[3]:18 "The FATF definition is not intended to include middle-ranking or more junior individuals."[3]:121

A forerunner definition was by the 1997 OECD Anti-Bribery Convention aimed at reducing corruption in developing countries, which came into force February 1999; it used the term 'foreign official'.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politically_exposed_person

Buterflyle0:
Saved!

I will remind you of this post as you shed bucket loads of tears in 2019

You should be "beeleo". You are stinging PDP left and right.

It's true an applicant's visa status is confidential, however, an applicant can direct the US Consulate to make his/her status and denial public.

Atiku Abubakar should direct the US Consulate to publish reason for his denial, if he is truly clean and trustworthy. I bet he cannot because he does not want it known in public that he was banned for being a co-conspirator in illegal activity in US.

This is a dare...Atiku should authorize US Consulate to publish their reason for his denial. If he authorizes them they will do so.

PDP has 198,000 members compared to APC's 73,000...yet APC is winning elections at ratio of 5:1 since 2015.

Shame on PDP and its 198,000 membership!

Can someone whisper to Saraki that Trader Money is a susbsidy. It has nothing to do with influencing vote. If the recipients were first asked and selected based on party loyalty, then we can say APC is buying PDP supporters to their side. Thats not the case here! This program is transparent and the beneficiaries are selected based on a poverty means test, not a party loyalty test.

PDP PETITIONS US AGAINST BUHARI/APC.

https://www.vanguardngr.com/2018/10/us-govt-considering-pdps-petition-against-buhari-apc-youth-leader/


Where was Shehu Sanni when his party asked a foreign country to supervise our President?

We are at end of November. Is Alhaji in US already?

Here is American median income over a series of years. You will notice a waveform of up and down. This is the truth about economy and other dependent social index metrics like employment, price inflation and GDP. The economy of any society must not remain consistently in ascent or flat or descending. Any nation with a consistent trend in its economy is either falsifying its reports or the base is shored up with a high volume of illegitimate money. Nigeria is no exception. Our economy will naturally fluctuate up and down and when it does prices will follow it, employment will follow it, gdp will do same.

There is nothing new in PDP cries about whether people are better off now than in 2015 or whether their pocket is full or half full or whether we had job loss or not. A true economically savvy team would look at behavior and trending pattern of our socio-economic factors over last 15years to see if the naturally expected flow, up and down, is there or missing. If it's there then we are performing normally and the energy should be spent on recovering rathern than mis-informing people that the downward trend is the fault of an administration.

Again, shame on PDP! Their administration did not have the natural flow because they operated an illegitimately buoyant economy that subsisted on illegitimate money. APC is not going to do that. We are for the people, not for our pockets!


See US trend that depict the natural flow. Also, follow this link to World Bank site and select different countries at random and look at their 15year trend, you should see a waveform of up and down. Any that is missing it would probably have some other illegality supporting its economy like illicit drug money, corruption and stolen treasury, terrorism and mercenaries. https://data.worldbank.org/country

7. ISSUES: For Nigerians, in 2019, the issues that have to be addressed are :

a) Is the economy better or worse?
b) Are more people richer or poorer than they were in 2015?
c) Are there more people suffering from hunger now than in 2015?
d) Have there been more job losses now than in 2015?
e) Are our people safer now than they were in 2015?
f) Are our military and other security agencies better equipped or motivated to tackle the Boko Haram insurgency and other security challenges than in 2015?
g) Is the country more united now than it was in 2015?
h) Is the infrastructure in the country better than it was in 2015?
I) Is there less corruption in the country than in 2015?; Is the fight against been fair to all or a tool deployed against political opponents?
j) Are people deriving the benefits of the Rule of Law and personal liberty as enshrined in the constitution now than in 2015?

These are not issues for development or for social progress. I am dissapointed with PDP. Atiku released a 168 pages document he called policy for new Nigeria, and this is all we get? Shame on PDP.

(i) In general.-Except as provided in clause (ii), any alien convicted of, or who admits having committed, or who admits committing acts which constitute the essential elements of-

(I) a crime involving moral turpitude (other than a purely political offense) or an attempt or conspiracy to commit such a crime, or

(II) a violation of (or a conspiracy or attempt to violate) any law or regulation of a State, the United States, or a foreign country relating to a controlled substance (as defined in section 102 of the Controlled Substances Act (21 U.S.C. 802)), is inadmissible.

(ii) Exception.-Clause (i)(I) shall not apply to an alien who committed only one crime if-

(I) the crime was committed when the alien was under 18 years of age, and the crime was committed (and the alien released from any confinement to a prison or correctional institution imposed for the crime) more than 5 years before the date of application for a visa or other documentation and the date of application for admission to the United States, or

(II) the maximum penalty possible for the crime of which the alien was convicted (or which the alien admits having committed or of which the acts that the alien admits having committed constituted the essential elements) did not exceed imprisonment for one year and, if the alien was convicted of such crime, the alien was not sentenced to a term of imprisonment in excess of 6 months (regardless of the extent to which the sentence was ultimately executed).

(B) Multiple criminal convictions.-Any alien convicted of 2 or more offenses (other than purely political offenses), regardless of whether the conviction was in a single trial or whether the offenses arose from a single scheme of misconduct and regardless of whether the offenses involved moral turpitude, for which the aggregate sentences to confinement were 5 years or more is inadmissible.

(C) CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE TRAFFICKERS- Any alien who the consular officer or the Attorney General knows or has reason to believe--

(i) is or has been an illicit trafficker in any controlled substance or in any listed chemical (as defined in section 102 of the Controlled Substances Act (21 U.S.C. 802)), or is or has been a knowing aider, abettor, assister, conspirator, or colluder with others in the illicit trafficking in any such controlled or listed substance or chemical, or endeavored to do so; or

(ii) is the spouse, son, or daughter of an alien inadmissible under clause (i), has, within the previous 5 years, obtained any financial or other benefit from the illicit activity of that alien, and knew or reasonably should have known that the financial or other benefit was the product of such illicit activity, is inadmissaible.

(D) Prostitution and commercialized vice.-Any alien who-

(i) is coming to the United States solely, principally, or incidentally to engage in prostitution, or has engaged in prostitution within 10 years of the date of application for a visa, admission, or adjustment of status,

(ii) directly or indirectly procures or attempts to procure, or (within 10 years of the date of application for a visa, admission, or adjustment of status) procured or attempted to procure or to import, prostitutes or persons for the purpose of prostitution, or receives or (within such 10- year period) received, in whole or in part, the proceeds of prostitution, or

(iii) is coming to the United States to engage in any other unlawful commercialized vice, whether or not related to prostitution, is inadmissible.

(E) Certain aliens involved in serious criminal activity who have asserted immunity from prosecution.-Any alien-

(i) who has committed in the United States at any time a serious criminal offense (as defined in section 101(h)),

(ii) for whom immunity from criminal jurisdiction was exercised with respect to that offense,

(iii) who as a consequence of the offense and exercise of immunity has departed from the United States, and

(iv) who has not subsequently submitted fully to the jurisdiction of the court in the United States having jurisdiction with respect to that offense, is inadmissible.

(F) Waiver authorized.-For provision authorizing waiver of certain subparagraphs of this paragraph, see subsection (h).

(G) FOREIGN GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS WHO HAVE COMMITTED PARTICULARLY SEVERE VIOLATIONS OF RELIGIOUS FREEDOM- Any alien who, while serving as a foreign government official, was responsible for or directly carried out, at any time, particularly severe violations of religious freedom, as defined in section 3 of the International Religious Freedom Act of 1998 (22 U.S.C. 6402), is inadmissible.

(H) SIGNIFICANT TRAFFICKERS IN PERSONS-

(i) IN GENERAL- Any alien who commits or conspires to commit human trafficking offenses in the United States or outside the United States, or who the consular officer, the Secretary of Homeland Security, the Secretary of State, or the Attorney General knows or has reason to believe is or has been a knowing aider, abettor, assister, conspirator, or colluder with such a trafficker in severe forms of trafficking in persons, as defined in the section 103 of such Act, is inadmissible.

(ii) BENEFICIARIES OF TRAFFICKING- Except as provided in clause (iii), any alien who the consular officer or the Attorney General knows or has reason to believe is the spouse, son, or daughter of an alien inadmissible under clause (i), has, within the previous 5 years, obtained any financial or other benefit from the illicit activity of that alien, and knew or reasonably should have known that the financial or other benefit was the product of such illicit activity, is inadmissible.

(iii) EXCEPTION FOR CERTAIN SONS AND DAUGHTERS- Clause (ii) shall not apply to a son or daughter who was a child at the time he or she received the benefit described in such clause.

(I) MONEY LAUNDERING-

Any alien--

(i) who a consular officer or the Attorney General knows, or has reason to believe, has engaged, is engaging, or seeks to enter the United States to engage, in an offense which is described in section 1956 or 1957 of title 18, United States Code (relating to laundering of monetary instruments); or

(ii) who a consular officer or the Attorney General knows is, or has been, a knowing aider, abettor, assister, conspirator, or colluder with others in an offense which is described in such section; is inadmissible.

Waivers of Ineligibility


If you are ineligible for a visa based on one or more of the laws listed in Section 212(a) of the Immigration and Nationality Act, you may be able to apply for a waiver. The visa category that you are applying for will determine whether a waiver of ineligibility is available. The consular officer interviewing you will tell you if you may apply for a waiver and will provide detailed instructions for how to apply.

Waivers of Ineligibility are contained in the following sections of law in the Immigration and Nationality Act:

Visa Denials

U.S. law generally requires visa applicants to be interviewed by a consular officer at a U.S. Embassy or Consulate. After relevant information is reviewed, the application is approved or denied, based on standards established in U.S. law.

While the vast majority of visa applications are approved, U.S. law sets out many standards under which a visa application may be denied. An application may be denied because the consular officer does not have all of the information required to determine if the applicant is eligible to receive a visa, because the applicant does not qualify for the visa category for which he or she applied, or because the information reviewed indicates the applicant falls within the scope of one of the inadmissibility or ineligibility grounds of the law. An applicant’s current and/or past actions, such as drug or criminal activities, as examples, may make the applicant ineligible for a visa.


If denied a visa, in most cases the applicant is notified of the section of law which applies. Visa applicants are also advised by the consular officer if they may apply for a waiver of their ineligibility. Several of the most common reasons for visa ineligibilities are explained below. For more information, review the visa ineligibilities in the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA).

absoluteSuccess:
Thanks for your insights and constant interest in Yoruba history, may God continue to guide you sir. With due respect, I think you are oblivious of the meaning of the phrase "alagada ogun", let me share the meaning with you.

AlaGada ogun, means 'one wielding a battle dagger'. Dagger in ancient Yoruba is known as "agada", according to the dictionary of the Yoruba, edited by Bishop Ajayi Crowther in the 19th century. Evidently, the term has faded off usage if you are not familiar with it. Dagger used to be called agada, while knife is called obe, and sword, ida, blade, abe, while cutlass is ada in Yoruba respectively.

How do I know about agada? Well, a little troublesome boy was member of my peer group when I was growing up, his name is Ojo, he is an Ebira boy. There was an elderly man opposite our house found of using the panegyric oriki to tease him. So, when I came across agada in the dictionary, I could relate it to Ojo, my childhood peer. His parents were such a wonderful people, especially, iya-ojo (OyinOjo) to us as children.

You might have heard of the word "awon omo gunbe" before? You'll find gunbe flashed in "ikirun agunbe onile obi". Perhaps in the ancient time, as common with the journeying northerners or other wayfarers, going about with dagger is an ancient culture of self-defense practiced by the Yorubas of old as well. This also reminds one of the sicarii from the hebrew revolt against the Romans.

Ojo Iberu

Ojo was a Yoruba icon that wielded battle dagger in the foundation era. He became a hero/villain (aseburuku-serere) as one may put it. His memorial was tucked in the oriki-orile Awori, hence we are called "omo agbo dere". There is a story behind this, I will talk about it in the book i'll produce next year, God willing. Agbodere is the "agbo" that went away to the bush as "are". Ere (boa constrictor) is the totem of the Danhome and many other tribes in Nigeria. They are families flung over the plains.

The veracity of this story is such that, when you continue to track it, it will take you down to the foundation of Danhome, @Olu, I believe you did have some first hand knowledge of them, the word e-gun in Yoruba antiquity is political, hence it was meant to taunt the founding fathers who splinted from the ancient Yoruba stock to form another colony of their own. The expansionist Yoruba labelled them "infidel" or "e e gun". Gun is the word for stab, crush, smitten or comeliness.

From this is the word E'gun, as opposed to Ogun, meaning "comely" or "worthy". Alada is Egun's national language, a-la-da in Yoruba is a splinter or "matchet bearer". Then again, their totem is the boa constrictor, and they do have a sacred house for it called Dan-home. if I'm correct, alada gbe is also known as gbekon gbe, and their oriki is revealing, "wanganvi, pekonu, aloje vi, aloje mapeko" wanganvi means progeny of the warlord. "alada" is akin to "agunmenu", where "agunmen" is akin to "agunbe". The amazon weird matchets during the Yoruba civil war.

The name Ojo is one that the Yoruba brought from their wellspring, (oruko amutorunwa) 'ojo-kure, alagada ogun', meaning "Ojo of Kure, the brandisher of battle dagger". Hope you see that this definition finds expression in the oriki? However, the appellation to his name are pointers to the same direction of Yoruba roots: kure (Qurayza) and he is also called Ojo Iberu, which I claimed to be Yoruba for hebrew.

Alagada Ogun

However, my inquisition to your oriki is that, if "alagada ogun" line exists in your oriki, and also has LUUSI present in it, then Iberu is a true cognate with "iberus", and that's yet another possible place the ancients' scholars want us to see. This is because Ojo is said to be from iberu, which is akin to Iberus, which is Greek for LUSITANIA, (the land of LUSI), which is today Spain. This means that the Yoruba forebears were familiar with the Mediterranean coasts before their migration, thereby alluding to such remote places in oriki.

By this token, LUSI is a name from a very different epoch than you might want it to be, its like you want to attach something older to something younger, such as making "baba" (Lusi) an "omo" for the glory of the moment. That's okay, but maybe the word is "oruko amutorunwa", names that the Yoruba brought from their wellspring, used as mnemonic in place names. Please don't degrade the name as it might be our common heritage in your care. Some words look quite recent but could be as old as inception, if not older.

Attestation

Well then, "agbedegbede oyinbo" is an attestation to the understanding of the ancient scholars, who were aware that the place they were talking about is beyond the shores of Africa or of the realm of the black race, but of the Mediterraneans. Lusitania is said to be from Lusus, said to be identical with Lysa, which is also akin to Ilisa, a place name in Yoruba. Lisa is a chieftancy title in Yoruba (Lisa bara ogo), but let us restrict ourselves to place-names, as that's when history is invoked.

The rule is, you must not stretch the word beyond the inherent syllables, otherwise you crash into another maze of words. Lysa invokes Ilisa, which is akin to Ilu-Isa, Ilu-Osa or Ile-Sha: all the variants have something to do with the ocean, "Ijesha obokun remi". Ilisan is another one, Ilu-Isan Ocean-town, similar to "Phoenician". All shares connotative meaning, with linguistic bearing pointing to the sea.

Yoruba's Hebrew Mnemonic

Remi is "to cross the sea or river or water", which is what "hebrew" or "iberus" mean etymologically: to cross the river. By this token, Ijesha equally means i-je-sa, journeying on the lagoon, seafaring: ije-bu, journeying on deep sea: ijebu-jesha, journeying on deep sea and the lagoon. Semantically speaking, these two words were combined because they mean the same thing, just as you have it in ikoko-ibaba, i-ko-ko is the same as i-ba-ba, where oko is oba, that is, the husband and father. "Koro" is the word, but it changed to "koko".

finally, the Yoruba ancestors were seafarers, they see life experience from mariners perspective: "igboke-gbodo wa" meaning "our activities in life". But the literal meaning of that phrase is, "our journeying through the hills and the rivers". They use their predominant experience as reality of life when that phrase was coined.

Same word, different places

Hebrew as a word derived from the same source as iberus, which is Greek for the inhabitants of the iberia peninsula. Whats interesting about this is the fact that the word iberus equally came from iba (river) and the word is a true cognate with the term "Hebrew", meaning people "from the other side of the river". Both variants iberus/hebrew derived from the same source, Ur. Yoruba have affinity to Greek tongue than English, hence iberus is closer in transcription to iberu than hebrew.

Now, there were two countries, one got her old name by migrating from a source beyond river Euphrates, while the other got her name from similar attribute as the first, due to similar topography in her terrain, beyond river Eber. Iberus now settles as ebro, and the people were called basque, just as hebrew came to be so called because they look up to Eber (crossing river Euphrates) respectively. Iber is the root word from Ur that means 'river', which inform the similarity of the names.

In Yoruba, Abata is the word for swamp. Also, there were various places known as Iba, and a family known to trace their source to Eba, who also reference their origin as owonrin, meaning migrants. The Yoruba "migrant Eba" is a cognate with the hebrew "migrant Eber" from Ur/Orun. Both have migrant status to their Eber/Eba appellations. Likewise, river plays significant role in their names, as the oriki of the Eba family (through Isolo) says, "omo olomi-ni-busun, omo osun f'odo r'ori, omo oniporogun l'ode Orun" its all river-business.

Like the word macabre, which comes from Maccabees, Iberu, comes from Ojo-iberu as an appellation at the foundation era, the word has also been reassigned to mean "panic attack" (iberu-b'ojo, Iba eru, where eru is fear) in Yoruba, meanwhile, its history is not lost as there were elsewhere where the other variants of "iberu" survive in pristine lexis and structure. Ija'ya or Ifoya are the true words for fear. The quest was to downplay Ojo as a coward historically, and that affected the semantic value of the word attached to Ojo.

Ojo is from the Ibadan tribe of the Yoruba, so it said "ibadan nile Oluyo le, nibi ole gbe njare oniun" (Ibadan: Iba/Eba and Dan, a man of Eba from the tribe of Dan), another way of saying this is Iba Oluyo le. He was banished from Yorubaland at inception by Oluyo as a rascal, and was vindicated by those who says "njare oniun". There is something peculiar between Ibadan and Danhome. The mythical version of this piece is to be found in Olowu (oniun) and Olubadan altercation caused by Osun. I use the oriki approach instead.

Interrelationship of terminologies

Agada-ogun is the dagger designed for war. Agada is like back-spelling of "a dagger". I also think the word "itage" is a modification of the word "stage": this is because "itage" up till this day connects only to "ere ori itage", meaning "stage-play". Nothing else to my knowledge is associated to "itage" in Yoruba. To 'tage' is different, it means flirt with someone else, and because that suffix is available, we never suspected that itage is a loan word or a modification of stage.

Certain words in many cultures has common meaning and common origin, taken to places by people who separated from one another, while some are borrowed from one culture to the other through contact. It takes great insight to find such terms and gazette them in their rightful place. When such happens, it is a "proof of contact" that might be beyond the knowledge of the students of the recent.

@Olu, I think you said LUUSI had a sword that is traditional to your household? What about it?

That's Alada.

@Metaphysical, baba. This is your area of specialization, enjoy this.

@Olu/obalufon111, make peace.

AS,
Nice to see you again bro. I could be wrong but I think this thread is the longest we have sustained discussion of origin without creating a new and parallel thread to sweep contributors away, granted more than half the pages are important but unrelated directly to topic of origin.


On interpretation and word knowledge let me say this, I believe if we all think and interprete the knowledge in same way then there will be no dynamism and need to learn and understand further beyond limits. So I appreciate that each of us relate our knowledge via a different flavor or color. No knowledge is lost. The best approach is the one you have taken, which is to give expression to the inner voice and logic and reasoning so you can take readers to a new height. As always, you are fantastic, thank you!

In my own understanding Yoruba word knowledge is few but adaptations, mutations, positioning, attributing, and so on expanded the total library to a continuum that even today as we speak, new terms are evolving.


What I have done is first visualize the ancestors in their sorrounding nature and environment. So when they see a leaf and call it EWE, it is not isolated from their being. It is not an abstract. By calling leaf EWE they expressed an emotion that is significant with the experience of vision, touch, smell, sound and taste. All EWEs are green. So they associated all colors in green to EWE and gave many different attributes of EWE.

So for example when expressing a visual object in green EWE will be used as connotation or reference. Similarly when describing a touch that has same texture as EWE, it would serve as reference point. Same for smell, taste and sound.


The second thing I have done is accept that Yoruba letters have spatial dimensional value. They also possess esoteric spiritual value.
Dimensionally they serve as geo-space reference. Spiritually they serve as energy-benders.

For instance A is attribute for everything geo-spatially of a higher realm above earth and beyond vision, that's one extremity. G is geo-spatially those with manifest and rooted or planted into ground, this is another extremity. Every other letter derives from one of these two extremes and is shaped depending on whether it is placed between A and G, or beyond G.

Inbetween these two etremities are attributes of personality and emotions of continuity or settlement and expansion, expressed as a phenomenon of existential space or in metaphysical realm. They are found in B, D, E, F.

Beyond G are attributes of self-evolution or lessons learnt and self-redemption, whether in physical or metaphysical realm. Examples are letters K, L, M, O, and so on.


I wish time would permit to expand but we will talk some more.

God bless you sir!

Olu317:
@Obalufon,

Èsù and Eshua,Yeshua(Jesus- Greek—English—version)basically mean the same personality .Unfortunately, the method use in veneration are different. How?

Èsù:-saviour of mankind ( concept of ancient Aku-Nago-Yoruba people etc)

Eshua/Yeshua:- savior of mankind (salvation to humanity),which is concept of Christianity

Unfortunately, non chalant approach and careful knowledge finding to the meaning of Èsù( evil one) on the part of the blunder by the earliest Missionaries, who categorically claimed Èsù of Yoruba as evil and the problem of humanity created many havoc to true meaning of certain Yoruba names. In the same way professor Wole Soyinka blundered on the meaning of his surname in his book, "The Man Died" ,when he intrepreted his surname,Soyinka to be "surrounded by wizards".

This is far from being the case. Names like Soyinka, Sonekan, Sonuga etc do not derive from "Oso" wizard but rather they derive from Orisaoko, the Yoruba god of Agriculture. If an immortal Soyinka can blunder, how much some of our ancestors do through generation in making mistake in some words and their meaning. And today Christians alike,muslims and free thinker uses Èsù as ‘ evil one' .

Funny enough, the ancient Hebrew never believed in Evil from man or something but by creation of God. Isn't this evealing Yoruba's concept of the way they see the good and bad( ìbì and ìrè) in the world ? Striking balance.

Plainly ,the Ancient Hebrew did not know anything called evil as being from man or something because God created light and darkness,“I [God] form the light and create darkness, I make peace and I create evil, I am the LORD who does all of these " (Isaiah 45:7I).
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In the Bible God is seen as a God of light as well as darkness "And the people stood at a distance and Moses approached the heavy darkness where God was. " (Exodus 20:21). The same way Eledumare reign in light and darkness.

Infact The ancient Hebrew concept have nothing like Evil in their doctrine. In the same manner Yoruba had nothing like Evil from a person or something but sees everything as from God,which is evident in the aged saying, ti'bi ti'rè lá dà ìlè Àayè(good and bad). So it bigh time time,people's mindset on Èsu be changed because Eledumare is the reason for good and bad.Although in everyway, God want us to have IWA as the ingredient to make it to ajulè Orún.

The point is ,Can good exist without the bad?
Quite impossible, how could you judge something to be good if you cannot compare it to something bad? The same is true for all other concepts.The concept of good and bad is but the ancient Hebrews believed that God allow everything to be.

So, for those of us who hear, believe half way and doubt should not be moved at al because the origin of Yoruba ancestors started from the Middle East,with evidence of their footprint in land of Sumer,which part of it witnessed a migration of people who called that area with its heat intensity, ‘Or', known in Yoruba land as ,‘Orú'-heat.

Thus,through their migration out of the land of Or(ur) to the land of Ai- A place where Abram was called out to become a living being i.e dead to sin and became a living soul( ‘Ivri's biblical account) This is the place known in Yoruba's IFA Corpus, as Yoruba's Orun-Aiyè- a place where Orunmila migrated out to become a living and chosen descendants of God).

Cc: absoluteSuccess, metaPhysical

Cheers

Hello brother! Long time no see...

I like this post and I will share indepth contribution on this input later, first let me use this short availability to respond to an earlier post from AS.

God bless you bro!

This will development will be a good outcome for Igbo if Israel will authenticate you as one of their descents and hopefuilly work towards rewriting your history to that effect. You dont need to worry about Biafra anymore...just focus on becoming Israelis. Take a cue from the Falashas of Ethiopia.

Good news, Congrats!

OP,
Ibori is a felon. When you campaign for office you try as much to minimize risk. Atiku himself is a risk but he cant escape the attacks that will come. Beside, Ibori is not a politician. There were some people that hit gold mine when new states were created, they had no pedigree genetically and were political subclass. Ibori was one of such...an accidental executive.

Where is Femi Fani Kayode on the list? Is he no longer PDP?

Why is Peter Odili listed twice, 66 and 146?

Oshigun:
Why are you guys so fascinated with Yoruba politics? Is it because it is the most interesting and advanced in Nigeria, with the most fascinating players, while yours is dull with not much to write home about it? It is like the envious man living in a shack and always looking over the fence to jealously drool over his neighbours mansion. Don't blame you sha. There is nothing to discuss about your politics and totally colourless/dull political leaders.

Tinubu know how to catch them. When Tinubu get ready to do defeat PDP in a state he will first throw out a curveball for them to chase. By the time they realize what is going on PDP is out and APC is in. Watch, around January next year he will throw them a ball to chase so he can plant Buhari firmly. It never fails.

AntiMahdi:
do you now see how stupid you sound

Tinubu called Obas stupid three years ago but As at two months ago every Oba domain has been APCfied and lined up behind same Tinubu. Or are you talking about a different Tinubu ni?

domdom!

She will be at Bourdillon to greet Asiwaju.

“You are not part of the useless Obas in Yorubaland who will sell out, we know them and it is not yet time to mention names. In Yorubaland today, you are the best monarch and that is not contestable. The good Obas’ in Yorubaland, who are forthright, firm and stand by the truth are not up to five, they are just three. Oba Awujale, Oba Akiolu and another,” Tinubu said when given the podium at special prayer session held at the Ijebu-Ode Central Mosque to mark the 80th birthday of the Awujale of Ijebuland, Oba Sikiru Kayode Adetona.

Several traditional institutions in the region however have begun to meet on Tinubu’s comment describing it as an aberration on the sacred Yourba tradition. Ooni of Ife, Oba Okunade Sijuwade, while addressing a group of foremost traditional rulers in Osun State lampooned the APC national leader over his statement.

He said it was the traditional rulers in the South West that held their subjects together, giving room for people like him (Tinubu) to actualise his political ambition. The traditional ruler said he had to express his protest over the statement credited to Tinubu on behalf of the majority of Yoruba rulers in Nigeria.

According to Sijuwade, Tinubu had forgotten that “when our country was upside down, it was the traditional rulers in this country that saved the situation. If we left the country as politicians did, there would have been no state for the leader of APC to rule when he came back.

This is how you know when enemies self-destruct before they reach your gate.

Ooni Sijuwade died three years ago.

When things like this happen family will announce that they need a period of reclusion to grieve. Nairalanders, abeg, let this woman and her family grieve. Stay off their matter. Make noise about Jubrin from Sudan or go back to Buhari doesn't have cerrtificate if you need something to do but leave this widow alone to mourn.

May the soul of her husband, and all those who were lost along with him, rest in peace.