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Culture › Re: The Arab Origin Of The Yorubas by MetaPhysical: 9:04pm On Jun 19, 2018
To Olaochi and Hati,

The discussion on Yoruba origin, its language, its relationship to Arab or Jew or Egyptian, is far older than any of us. None of us was there and we can only rely on submissions made using historical tractions via arts, oral records and as well new and modern tools for approximating events. There are two camps here on this issue, the side that supports Yoruba is aborigene and the other which claims Yoruba is migrant. The migration camp is where I belong, and I know it's where Olu belongs, Babaramota is a recent convert to this. None of us doubt or deny that people were living on this land before the migrants. In fact we acknowledge that there are two civilizations merged into one and now known as YORUBA. Yoruba is an identity for the migrants, whereas Ugbo is an identity for the aborigenes that pre-existed on the land before Yoruba arrival. There were also contention in the past as to the nativity of the migrants and the question of whether they were origins of Ile-Ife, from where they initially migrated out, and then returned home at a later time in human memory....or if they were origins of AfroAsia and settled a unknown geolocation now known as Yorubaland.

Old Testament says origin of man was Eden and after expulsion they moved East. Historians placed this East in Nineveh. How could the Yoruba ancestors have known of a place called Nineveh and claim it as their homeland? Impossible! But they claimed a place know as IleIfe as not only their homeland, but as the origin of mankind. There is congruence in oral and Biblical accounts, as well in the two holy lands. Now, consider the distance apart of the two places, in an age when there were no phones, television, radio, maps....but yet they successfully nailed the origin and genesis accounts in the Bible.

In any case, the issue of language classification is a wash. The grouping is made on assumptions, it is an approximation based on information available to the person that mapped the languages in the 1800s. If Hausa lived in the forest belt it would also have been classified as a Niger/Congo. Go and look in Hausa language (minus the donations from Arabic) and Igbo language, there are just as many similarities as you will find between Igbo and Yoruba. Did the language mapper not know this? We are at a time when almost every citizen of a nation have a degree as basic qualification, yet there will be multitudes without a single shred of enlightenement in their spirit. So let's caution ourselves about waving the banner of scholarship everytime there is discussion on mundane issues that posession of scholarship will not make a dint of difference to advance. If Igbo language was located in the North it would have been classified as a Nilotic. I agree with baba, the mappers had no knowledge of the tongues they were indexing beyond the need to help their missionary interests and ease the work of teaching religion.


Just for thoughts read the below and see that these are also scholars and experts in same field of professional expertise as the scholars and experts on your side of the argument. grin
Nairaland General › Re: Why Is Gtb Going This Far? by MetaPhysical: 1:53am On Jun 12, 2018
Uchihaitaci:
Hello all,

I got this general email sent out by GTbank and it makes me wonder

1. If this is false why bother sending this out to all your customers?

2. Will this not draw more attention to the law suite which in this same email GTBank claimed they dont normally like commenting on? It like they are contradicting the,mselves by sending this out

3. If someone made false claims that the court ordered you to pay if you know its not true then why bother?

I am not taking sides here just asking questions anyone fee free to share your opinion



[b]RE: False Reporting of Court Proceedings Concerning GTBank

Lagos Nigeria – June 11, 2018

The attention of Guaranty Trust Bank Plc (“the Bank”) has been drawn to false, mischievous and malicious statements circulating in the news and social media in respect of a purported directive by the Supreme Court of Nigeria to the Bank to make payments to one of its debtor Customers.

The Bank’s Customers and the General Public are hereby kindly urged to disregard these false statements as nothing could be further from the truth. There was no directive or Order issued by the Supreme Court of Nigeria to the Bank to make any payment to any of its debtor Customers.

The Bank as a highly responsible corporate citizen will in accordance with its culture and tradition refrain from making comments about on-going litigation matters and will continue to focus on using legal means to recover its bad debts. It must be emphasised that the Bank remains undeterred in its recovery drive against recalcitrant debtors.

We again reiterate that there is no iota of truth in the falsehood being peddled by desperate and mischievous elements and the General Public should disregard same in its entirety.

The Bank remains committed to providing best-in-class customer experience to all its valued Customers.

We thank you for your continued support and patronage.

Yours faithfully,

For: Guaranty Trust Bank Pl[/b]c

cc lalasticlala cc mynd44 cc fynestboi cc Dominique cc seun
In a corporate environment its called good business judgement. Banking and investment is a risk. So you have to continously assure your customer that there is no problem.
Nairaland General › Re: 3rd Mainland Suicide Full Details by MetaPhysical: 1:44am On Jun 12, 2018
May her soul rest in peace
Politics › Re: Ochereome Nnanna: "Yorubas Are Sophisticated Morons"- Vanguard Editorial Chairma by MetaPhysical: 12:52am On Jun 10, 2018
e7ejinima:
His conclusion is the desire of every Nigerian. I don't see what you find wrong in that

Read it again pls

"A leader who panders to the political fancies of the hawks of his home region is not what Nigeria, a multinational entity, needs. What we need is a leader who will unite us by giving every section of Nigeria a sense of belonging and equal partnership."
It is impractical in a democratic setting to ignore your kind. We are practicing an American social order. American is multi-racial country, Whites are the mainstream in all spheres of the democracy, they dictate, by default, what other races must do....even on things that are naturally in disharmony with their ethnic nature. Thats as fundamental as it gets! No leader can do those things you wish for in your post. They remain IDEALS....we can wish them day and night, 365days a year, from now till kingdom come....as long we practice democracy, they are impracticable. The most you can get is a partnership. This is why alliance makes sense. But Igbos dont like to ally with other big groups...they call it slaving, but they start shouting that slaves are not including them in affairs of the nation.
Politics › Re: Ochereome Nnanna: "Yorubas Are Sophisticated Morons"- Vanguard Editorial Chairma by MetaPhysical: 12:42am On Jun 10, 2018
omenka:
Wow! This MKO stuff really cut these guys deeper than I thought!

Coming from one of theirs who could pass for an educated and enlightened man, I am really taken aback by this overt display of unbridled hate and jealousy.

What a shame! embarassed
It's wrong to say he could pass, he is indeed educated and enlightened. Do you not know that this guy is a policy leader on SE socio-political agendas? If there is a gathering of inputs on how to progress SE and Igbo, Nnanna's input will feature. So don't say he could pass for educated and enlightened, such qualifiers are for uneducated but successful spare parts traders whose money speak for them in lieu of enlightenement.


There are naturalized Americans who have had their citizenship revoked and lost legal recognition as Americans and deported after the fact, simply for speaking of America and its leadership the way communists would speak of America. In the application for citizenship one is asked to disclose if they ever were a sympathizer of a communist agenda in the past, now or will be in the future.


I am sure Nnanna has investments in Yorubaland. I see no reason why he could not be declared a non-entity in Yorubaland. The guy is a member of an agenda circle that sees Yorubas and Yorubaland as enemy. We should treat him as one, period! Evict him and everything he owns from Yorubaland.
Politics › Re: Lovely Photo Of Dolapo Osinbajo Making Head Tie For Aisha Buhari by MetaPhysical: 12:02am On Jun 10, 2018
This cannot be inside Aso Villa. Beside, for security reasons, outside the grounds of Aso Villa, the First and Second Ladies should not be at same location. It's okay when they are in the security tight grounds of the Villa.

I still want to know where this was. Even the First maiguard sleeps in something more plush than this.
Politics › Re: Bill To Compel Companies To Hire ‘indigenes’ Passed By Akwa Ibom Assembly by MetaPhysical: 10:25pm On Jun 09, 2018
obonujoker:
Very good... Buh this can't happen in Lagos because clowns from Osun, Oyo, Ekiti etc will come and be claiming Lagosians, instead of going back to their states of origin....
Actually it needs to happen. It's job protection and can be for state or region. In which case Yoruba can do a regional job protection for their indigenes. It's a good lead and I like what Akwa Ibom has done.
Politics › Re: FFK Mistakes Parody Fayemi Accout, Attacks Fayemi Based On Fake Tweet by MetaPhysical: 10:19pm On Jun 09, 2018
deantimes:
Fake account

Here's Fayemi verified account

I'm surprised FFK could fall for this without first verifying the tweet.

Lalasticlala, mynd44 I call your attention to this.
Regardless, what is Fayemi coming back to do?

Same goes for Ajimobi trying to go to Senate. To do what?

Our politicians have no future and no vision. Can they take a leave and go on world adventure and learn cultures and customs of foreign lands and then bring back to help grow society, instead of jumping from senate to government house, back to senate, back to government house....?

Tinubu recently campaigned in Lagos that people should learn to let-go of office after doing two terms or 10yrs. Bring in fresh ideas and give others room to contibute. He got a overwhelming support and true to the statement when it was time to elect party Excos the old hands stayed away and allowed new brands in. This is why Lagos leads and others follow.
Culture › Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by MetaPhysical: 6:53pm On Jun 09, 2018
Moorish:
Your people spawned an amazing civilization that all Africans can and SHOULD be proud of

Its highly reminiscent of Rome to me

I have always been proud of Benin from time immemorial

I also am partly Edo, I mean I was born in Edo lands and grew up around your folk.. So it will be sacriledge for me to be enemy of the land of my birth

The arguement is because our fathers never wrote down their histories

We were an oral history people

Lost in translation

I also plan on stealing some cool ideas from the ancient Edo Kingdom cheesy cheesy

Some gems you Edos have forgotten about

Thats how you build civilization

If I succeed you will all hear and see the things I speak of
I disagree with this. Documentation of events and history come through many medias. Art is one of them. The ancient arts are themselves records of history. Equally, our written history were not manufactured out of thin air, a writer took narration of the events from an oral chronicler. Do you disagree? So our oral history form the genesis of what is now written about us. Let us stop dismissing the power of oral history but we embrace people like Olfert Dapper and call him an authority, even though he has never in his life stepped foot on our soil and cannot vouch for the nonsense he wrote.

On the Yoruba backing off, I stand with Baba ramota. Personally I feel it's an embarassment that it has to come down to this back and forth but I sincerely agree that a lesson needs to be taught here. Even if I was not a Yoruba, watching what Edo has done in past on internet to ridicule Yoruba history, I will back the determination of Yorubas on this thread to humiliate Edo in return.
Culture › Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by MetaPhysical: 1:23am On Jun 09, 2018
^^^

Kindly read what you wrote up there. Do you not see you are self-patronizing?

Every parent desire for their children to outdo them. At what point does a son of the noble stop being an appendage to his aristocrat father, and make name for himself?

Ile Ife has spun so many independent nations around the globe and each of them has name recognition devoid of attachment. Why couldn't Edo in all the years of service and loyalty you have dedicated to worshipping your foreign Oba, make a name for yourself devoid of Bini Kingdom?

Give it a thought before you reply.
Culture › Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by MetaPhysical: 10:39pm On Jun 03, 2018
davidnazee:
make you enjoy this one.. Just got it from my research..

"Eastern Yorubaland also felt the impact of its powerful eastern neighbor, Benin. When Benin invaded Ekiti between 1818-1823, the aim was to quell provincial revolt and regain control over the region’s economy. Indeed by reasserting control over the trade routes, which linked it with Yorubaland, Benin strengthened the position of its long distance traders, the Ekhengbo (from Ekhen Egbo) (ekhen, traders; egbo, forest). Akure and Benin traditions agree that the invasion of Akure was precipitated by a commercial dispute following an attack on a Benin tobacco trader, Ogonto, who was accused of violating an Akure law. Even though the information is scanty, it is possible to situate the Benin invasion at this time and the economic dispute at its root, within the context of the rise in the supply of slaves by the wars in Yorubaland and Hausaland. Benin traders would have desired to tap into the northern Yoruba slave fields as well as send foreign goods into the interior. They would have also wanted alternative markets, even if temporary, to counterbalance the disruptive effect of the Nupe political crisis on Benin’s trade with the Niger. Consequently, Benin soldiers, under Ologbosere Imaran and Ezemo Erebo, carried out punitive expeditions, which left so much destruction that the fear of Benin lingered on till the early years of colonial occupation. Several Ekiti, Akoko and Owo towns were sacked and in them were created Benin colonies under the Balekale (consuls).
With the victory, Benin reasserted its control over trade in Ekiti, Owo and Akoko, and Benin enclaves in Owo, Akure, Ikere and Ado-Ekiti became the nexus of trade between Benin and Yorubaland. Both Akure and Idanre traditions agree that owing to Benin commercial activities, a nineteenth century ruler, Deji Gbogi and an influential woman, Olokoju both of Akure founded Alade village/market (near Idanre) as a meeting point for Ekiti, Idanre, Ondo, Owo, Ijebu, Benin and Ijesa traders. Imported items such as guns, salt and metal implements from Benin were sold as far as Ilesa, Ekiti and Ilorin. This earned the Ekhengbo the distinction of being called the “first long-distance traders in Ekiti.” Although the Akure king’s list seems to put Igbogi in an earlier century, the reference to the importation of guns would put his reign in the mid-nineteenth century. Most significant was that commercial metal products point to the position of Akure as a regional market.

Immigrants into Ekiti also included traders, soldiers, administrators and their dependants from Benin. These colonists set up farm in the forest straddling the Akure-Idanre border and occupied what is now called the Ọgbọn Ado (Edo quarter) of Ado-Ekiti. Similarly slaves captured by the Benin from some Ado villages and some refugees were settled at Ikere where they established Ogotun, Afao, Are, Iluomoba and Agbado quarters, all named after their previous towns."
David,
Any article that you post must include link to the source. Your stories are not credible.
Culture › Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by MetaPhysical: 7:27pm On Jun 03, 2018
BabaRamota1980:
I ask for name of Ekaladheran's deranged popsy's name, not for SARS. grin grin.

Whats name of your ogiso whose chiefs bleeped his queen? grin grin
I think his name was Ewedo. Correct?
Culture › Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by MetaPhysical: 7:21pm On Jun 03, 2018
davidnazee:
I will assume that you and your fellows here are representing the Yoruba race and as such I feel sorry for Yoruba people. A people so cowardly and deluded with no pride trying to distort history just to feel good.
Other tribes read the same documents we read and also knows African history.. they will be laughing at you yorubas at your desperate attempt to change what’s documented down. If you like tell your children to write in exams that Portuguese got to Lagos before Benin, Na failure and repeat go be their portion lol.

As I said earlier, your future generations will come to read history as it was documented, “Great Benin conquered and rule vast parts of Yoruba lands”.. History and documents awaits them.
Do you mind naming the wars of conquest so we can check it up and be educated?

Every war has a name. What are names of some of these wars, if you are truthful?
Culture › Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by MetaPhysical: 7:16pm On Jun 03, 2018
samuk:
So you agreed that Lagos was a Benin colony and protectorate with a throne, just as Nigeria later became British colony and protectorate.
Read my last comment.
Culture › Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by MetaPhysical: 7:14pm On Jun 03, 2018
Obalufon:
Benin was on a trading expedition to Ghana as i read they were attacked by the aworis for stepping foot on their soil the discoloration was halted they turned back to benin after getting to Benin they narrated the story to oba benin , oba sent his son ado a renown warrior with his elite soldier to attack Lagos as reprisal for the insult on him when the aworis cited ado they knew he was a prince and ife from his regalia they offer to make ado the king of lagos being a lineage of oduduwa ..ado could spaek yoruba fluently
Aworis dont fight. Do you know what is unique about Yorubas? Every war we fought we know the principals and the given name of the war. If we cant find in archives name of a war or names of the principals then that war did not happen.

There is no record of a war featuring Awori principals. They occupy western part of Ogun all the way to Dahomey and down to Badagry creeks. Yet it was Egba that fought Dahomey over Awori territory. The Aworis themselves did not fight. Their covenant is priesthood, so they abstain from war.

Benin presence in Lagos is for defense. In the war of Agidingbi, the first Kosoko vs Beecroft war, the Aworis vacated their palaces and left town. In the second war of Ahoyaya, they left town again. After war they returned. Thats what Benin signed up for, to defend Lagos in contract for trade benefits on the coast.

King of Lagos domain covers only Lagos Island.

Ikoyi, Lekki, VI, Atlantic City, Apapa, Ijora, Iganmu, all of Mainland....all belong to the Aworis.

In terms of land ownership, the land the palace is built on is the only one Oba of Lagos can claim to his pedigree. He has no other land anywhere.

Yoruba scholars intimidated oral authorities to yield to them the custody and rights of historical accounts and reviews. Unfortunately, except for few, they failed in their task to shield the history from tainted injections from more conservative historians competing to displace our superiority.
Culture › Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by MetaPhysical: 6:41pm On Jun 03, 2018
Hey babaramota, im looking something up in the library. whats name of that ogiso whose queen gave pussy to chiefs to change what oracle said?
Culture › Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by MetaPhysical: 6:29pm On Jun 03, 2018
samuk:
You are all over the place and unable to make up your mind. You manufacture your version of history on the go.

You said European didn't get to Africa till 1500, when I pointed you to the fact that they were already in Benin by 1485, you are now saying they got to Lagos before Benin, how would you know that if you didn't even know when Europeans first arrived Africa. When European got to Lagos, Lagos was under and part of Benin Kingdom, itsekiri was part of Benin Kingdom with Benin city as capital.
Benin did not settle in Lagos untill 1600s. Lagos was never part of Benin. Benin had a throne in Lagos to protect against invasions from Dahomey.

Benin did not fight the owners of Lagos, they were invited to secure their farms and lands against invasions from Dahomey. If the original invitation to Oyo had been honored Oyo would be the throne, not Benin.
Culture › Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by MetaPhysical: 6:18pm On Jun 03, 2018
BabaRamota1980:
Reallyhuh You schooled in North and see Yoruba converting to Hausa and fulani? grin

But the prince of fulani prostrated and greet king of Yoruba in Oyo. Abi you no know? Would you like to see Prince Sanusi prostrating to greet Alaafin?

grin grin.

Edo and fabricated lies is like rice and chicken stew. Great combination!
Dont ask, show him.

Here is picture of Yorubas converting to Fulani. This was witnessed by an Edo, Steveosaz who was a student in the North.

Shikena!

Culture › Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by MetaPhysical: 6:09pm On Jun 03, 2018
Obalufon:
Lagos was in contact with Portuguese by Prince Henry the Navigator before benin , Portuguese heard of benin from the itskeiris i doubt if João Afonso de Aveiromade made it to benin
Very true!

Portuguese had trading posts in Wydah and Aworis were already exchanging trades with them through the Badagry creeks.
Culture › Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by MetaPhysical: 3:58am On Jun 02, 2018
davidnazee:
The only truth is Oduduwa is an Edo son.. his real name is Ekhaladeran..
Edo people conquered and ruled parts of Yoruba lands and people..
The British freed Yorubas from Edo’s rule (Yoruba was too weak to resist)
Any other stories you will give is false and an attempt by you to feel good with yourselves but I will never allow that. I’m here to torture you with the truth.
As told by your neighbors, the Ijaws....


Lord Nama-Oru and his people made their way from Upper Egypt first to the Lake Chad region and then to the Bussa (Buassa) and Nupe regions on the middle Niger. It was here that they made a temporary home (The Borgu Kingdom). Other key actors who have been remembered as ancestors include Prince ADUMU (ADIMU, a.k.a. Oduduwa) eldest son to Lord NAMA-ORU and his close companion and Priest ASARA. While Nama-Oru died at Bussa and Asara remained permanently at Bussa, Prince Adumu led a group of explorers to explore the southern forest lands down to the Lower Niger, and eventually choose the Ife region as a place to establish a permanent kingdom. But already established in the land, in scattered communities were the Kwa (Ugbo, Ooyelagbo) who had arrived somewhat earlier within the same timeframe from an earlier settlement between the Niger/Benue confluence. While some of these earlier settlers welcomed the newly arrived and supported the foundation of a city-state, others opposed it. Thus the stage was set for the legendary war that gave birth to the first City State in the southern savannah region of West Africa.
The City-state of Otu-Ife, later to be known as Ile-Ife was founded through the warfare of two opposing factions. The opposing factions were not strictly ORU PEOPLE verses the KWA (OOYELAGBO), but ORU and OOYELAGBO people fighting against other OOYELAGBO people. Tradition maintains that the immediate cause of the war was to oppose the new kingdom, but also to overthrow some form of misrule or maladministration of the previous form of governance.

The establishment of the new city was opposed by certain sections of the OOYELAGBO communities led by the chief OBATLA priest remembered as ORELUERE, who argued that since it was they who arrived first, the king of the new city must be from amongst them. This led to a war told in the ancestral traditions as the “war between ODUDUWA & OBATALA” In reality it was a conflict between two theocratic systems of government. On the one hand we had the new form of centralised Government based on a theocratic monarchy focused on the SUPREME MOTHER GODDESS (WOYINGI in Oru language & ODUDUWA in Ooyelagbo language)[iii]. The Ooyelagbo form of traditional chief’s council opposed this with the head chief being focused on the GODHEAD (OBATALA).

With the help of the dissatisfied or marginalised sections of the OOYELAGBO communities, led by Oba-Meri, and combined with ORU people living in the nearby regions; the leaders of the ORU-KUMONI people headed by Prince ADUMU[iv] went to war and defeated the opposing factions of Ooyelagbo. He then established his centralised city-state government. Prince Adumu was also a priest of the SUPREME MOTHER GODDESS LODGE (known in ORU-Kumoni language as Woyingi, and in Ooyelagbo language as Oduduwa) and at the same time, a high initiate of the ancient ADUMU (ADUM, ATUM) spiritual Initiation lodge of Ancient Egypt (Kemet).

Before the final setting up of the new government (administrative dynasty) Prince Adumu invited the leaders of the formerly hostile Ooyelagbo communities and his own allies (the Oru-Kumoni and Ooyelagbo alliance) to a constitutional conference. It was agreed to form a theocratic confederacy where all the communities living in the area would swear allegiance to Prince Adumu, but have control over their own internal affairs. At that conference Prince Adumu was declared the ‘ALA – AFIN’ i.e. LORD OF THE FORTRESS (ALA-lord or chief, AFIN-fortress), ‘ADUMU – ALA’ i.e. ADUMU THE LORD, and King of Otu-Ife, henceforth to be addressed as “ALA-AFIN ADUMU-ALA”[v] modified to OLOFIN in present Yoruba language. He was also addressed as the alias ‘ODUDUWA’, as it was the term in the Ooyelagbo language for the Mother Goddess of which he was a priest, even though his actual name and title was ADUMU-ALA[vi]

Even though through superior warfare tactics King Adumu (The Opu-Suo) had established his city-state, he could not subdue all the opposing sections of the Ooyelagbo communities who continued to trouble the new city from the surrounding forests. At this early stage, even while unification was yet complete, some of the ORU warlords and their companions left Ife to establish themselves at the source of the great river (Niger), after accomplishing their task of setting up the City state with King Adumu-Ala as the first dynastic king. These included groups led by the following leaders who were said to have been princes of King Adumu; Prince Ijo (The Kala-Suo) alias Idekoseroake or Etekuro)) who led a migration to the present Benin region and finally central Niger Delta: Prince Nana who led a migration to the present Ghana region: Prince Igodo (Godo, The Ogi-Suo) who led a second group to the present Benin region, and established a centralised government to become the first ruler or OGISO: Prince Ogbogbodiri (a.ka. Lufon I) who first established at Old Oyo (Oyokoro).
Culture › Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by MetaPhysical: 2:36am On Jun 02, 2018
Moneywomen17:
edo boys never u forget how ogedengbe was killing ur chiefs sacking ur town floging ur kings and taking ur women, Yoruba king rule over u and displace ur ogiamen, Yoruba priest are ur priest. Bini was conquered by Yoruba from the time of oranmiyan till the time they break free from western region. Edo are slave to not only their Yoruba master but ur igala master also flog bini too what a shame small edo abi u want me to post screen shot of Yoruba ruling u and igala sacking ur lands? Well u will have to wait am done on this thread for now we go see adios my boy.
grin
Culture › Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by MetaPhysical: 2:32am On Jun 02, 2018
Moneywomen17:
Africa story is authored by the European which leaves a lot of controversy because most of it then is left to oral story and oral story’s it has different version and many people saying conflicting info. Benin will never accept our claim and we will never accept theirs which is the truth and since we can’t go back in time it leaves it uncertain for both parties with each other just sticking to their beliefs. Now ife history says oduduwa came from east of Ife which is oke-ora and we know of no mondiana or whatever u call it then so I accept that but I feel the linking of Islam to oduduwa is recent not historical and that’s why it’s rejected. All we are doing here is well at first is arguing with logic and since guys like davidnaze are not down with that this has just turn into a slug fest. Everything about oduduwa is in ife and none in edo that’s certain and nothing can erase that.
I don't know why baba ramota even brought this in here. Look at the bold. I will be more than happy to discuss with you on a different thread, not here. There is a thread opened by blkmum200 and is called Where is Oduduwa really from? There is another one opened by 2prexios and is called Origin of the name Yoruba. Pick either ne and we can discuss at length. I have some hard to deny truths and insights to share with you.
Culture › Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by MetaPhysical: 1:23am On Jun 02, 2018
Moneywomen17:
u mean igala use bini for suya
Let them deny it. I will bring a more damning report. grin Do you notice where Edo threw their young girls at Igala warriors to be defiled. its like bribery to pacify the galas against war.

They got this far because of our silence in past.
Culture › Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by MetaPhysical: 1:21am On Jun 02, 2018
Baba ramota thank you much for that analysis. I enjoyed it.

You correctly picked holes and gaps in the story that Edo struggle to explain. Can you imagine a king ordering execution of his only son and heir? ABOMINATION! I love your analogy with the dumb house owner burning his family home in hope for more. Im surprised king never even asked for the son's corpse, his only son for that matter!

Such weird and twisted humans, with the dishonorable Queen in tow is what they want us to believe as the founders for our majestic thrones. Even their witchcraft is not potent enough to make this one believable. WE REJECT THE HOAX!

Good job my brother!
Culture › Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by MetaPhysical: 1:10am On Jun 02, 2018
Igala also had a war with the Binis defeating Binis and carried the mask, which hitherto Oba of Benin used to wear. It means in the spiritual realm that Attah Igala is wearing the head of Oba of Benin. It was called, Eju-beju ailo; one other thing alien to the Igala then which was among items carried from Oba’s palace was cocoa nut was not known to Igalas. They describe it as resembling palm kernel belonging to Oba of Benin.

After the defeat in the first war, which they (Binis) suffered in the hands of the Igalas, no stone was left unturnrd in the second war. Firstly, they let loosed their beautiful girlsn to go naked into the camp of the Igala soldiers in an attempt to defile them. Secondly they hired the service of the Portuguese mercenaries who fought on the side of the Binis. . The Igala soldiers who went to invade Bini retreated but could not come back home. They were afraid of returning because they did not abide by the instruction given them by their king. Then, they settled by the river banks near Idah (Iba-aji).

In 1515, from Portuguese missionary records, we know that the Igala fought fiercely and gallantly in war that made the Oba of Benin to request the aid of the Portugal mercenaries to support the war with ammunition to describe the strength and skill of Galla people in war.
Culture › Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by MetaPhysical: 6:56am On Jun 01, 2018
EdoNation:
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Remove Edo from that rubbish you typed there, Useless stinkhole called Ife cheesy
grin. You want to censor your ancestors. Becareful...they might show their displeasure to you fiercely. Let the truth stand as is. Do not make your ancestors angry.
Culture › Re: Booker T. Washington, Another Famous Aa Of Igbo Descent by MetaPhysical: 6:52am On Jun 01, 2018
DaRapture:
T. in his name stands for the name Tanifeani which is a pretty common Igbo name, he was given that name by his grandmother who passed down the history of his family to him, telling of how they were descendents of the Igbo tribe and much in the same way in how Alex Haley family remembered and passed down many words of their earliest African ancestor in America, "Kunta Kinte", the same was done within Booker Tanifeani Washington's family in relation to their Igbo ancestry.   wink By the way, over 60% of the AA population is believed to be of some significant portion of Igbo ancestry.

Some other well known AA of proven Igbo descent are:

Danny Glover

T.D. Jakes

Forest Whitaker

Meagan Good

The Jackson family


Famous historical boxer "Jack Johnson"

Famous historical musician " Paul Robeson"


just to name a few, for now.
You missed Martin Luther King Jnr and Barack Obama, as well Denzel Washington and Beyonce and her husband Jayzee. Heck, you even left out Michael Jackson and Bobby Brown.

Please redo list and add these people. MLK's middle name is Ifanyi.
Culture › Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by MetaPhysical: 6:39am On Jun 01, 2018
KingSango:
No shame in getting the pecking order straight. grin
I thought you have an indepth knowledge of the history of Yoruba politics and priesthood. Am i mistaken?

Just quick...if there is need to take a deep dive I suggest you open a new thread to share more rather than derail this one.


So ancient Yoruba culture and civilization has always revolved around three conventions.

1 - The Sovereign Covenant.
Consisting of the Priest-King rulership.

2 - The Orisha worship
Consisting of the cosmic deities.

3 - Ifa Templar
Consisting of the ancient sacred manuscript and the Order of Imole.


3 is the ASE code of living on the material plane. Mankind is destined for a life of benevolence but the physical world we live in is primarily a malevolent sphere. It barricades success and progress. It cannot be removed, but its effects can be softened. Ifa guides the way around these barricades so one's path is not deviated from destiny. It applies at individual or group level. This is for SELF SALVATION.

2 is the ORI in alignment to consciousness. Cosmos is a gateway between physical and metaphysical. This is the esoteric plane where matter reconciles itself with spirit and become one with truth. The divinities, the ancestors and the witnessing angel. This alignment is demonstrated in conduct and character. This is OMOLUABI and applies in INTERACTION WITH OTHERS.

1 - is a Covenant Order or a Constitution for Organizing and evolving society. This applies as a CAUSE & EFFECT of living phenomenally. The King-Priest is custodian of philosophical ideals of society and its civilization. Knwoledge, Arts, Worship, Aesthetics, Law, War, Peace....all fall under the King-Priest.


Oyo, Benin, Sabe, Orangun, Popo, and so on were second-tier dynasties after the founding dynasty of Ife.

We do not have much of written record of Ife as an Empire because its Imperial power had set by the time European scribes made contact. In fact Oyo almost ended in similar conclusion as we can see that while other seats of power had been visited by scribes and their history recorded, many only heard of Oyo....until the entry of Landers Brothers into the interior.

Ife was the Holy City and also the capital of Yoruba. Edo Chiefs did not go to Oyo to request a Prince, they went to Ife. This acknowledges the position of Ife as a city of nation builders. Oranmiyan was unique in that the two Citadels of power and politics he founded became independent military capitals in Oyo and in Benin.

The history and greatness of Ife revealed itself in a different manner....through excavations!

The treasures underneath its soil revealed arts and ruins of ancient civilization.

So Ife is always at the top of the heirarchy before Oyo, which came later but outgrew its parent city, Ile Ife.

There should be no superiority contest between Oyo and Ife.

In our modern times Lagos has outgrown Oyo. So should we say Lagos is superior to Oyo because of its might? That will be abomination!

Lets respect history and not allow "superpower" mentality distort truth about our beginnings and their antiquities.
Politics › Re: What Will Happen If Buhari Orders Obasanjo's Arrest Over $16bn Power Probe? by MetaPhysical: 3:20am On May 24, 2018
PrecisionFx:
Buhari is a weakling.

If Abiola could be killed for winning and election n Yorubas did nothing.........I need not say more.
Where were you, you must be outside Nigeria to say Yoruba did nothing.

First, we were caught unprepared. Second, Abiola had alwayd been their paddy paddy in military and with Northerners. So it was not at first taken as a ethnic opposition until it became clear Abacha was after Yoruba leadership. Yoruba responded fiercely. Abacha went everywhere in Nigeria but dared not set foot anywhere in Yorubaland...not even Ilorin, fearing assassination.
Politics › Re: What Will Happen If Buhari Orders Obasanjo's Arrest Over $16bn Power Probe? by MetaPhysical: 3:13am On May 24, 2018
Obasanjobis no fool. Obasanjo has learnt his lessons from last imprisonment and put in place securities against a repeat.

If na you nko? You go let event repeat itself?
Culture › Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by MetaPhysical: 4:24pm On May 22, 2018
davidnazee:
So Anthony Enahoro was a Yoruba representative?
He was member of Action Group which was the Egbe Omo Oduduwa Reformed.
Health › Re: Husband Abandons His Sick Wife In Port-Harcourt (Photos) by MetaPhysical: 2:23am On May 22, 2018
madridguy:
When health challenges reach some stage bro, na only your family you go see especially in case of young couple.
Do you not know that this is a test of faith? We all shall be tested one way or another. You fanatics of religious islam are quick to utter mumbo jumbos that have no meaning. See how quick you were in saying Subhanallah...but to you as long you say these arabic words that have zero significance your faith is cemented. Worship without acts is meaningless.
I bet you if she plays lottery and win billions that guy will return to her quick quick.....for the money.

For your info Im muslim, a spiritual muslim!

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