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PeterKbaba: Odu to da iwa = Odu that gave birth/created good behavior (Righteousness)

Therefore if Odu is from God, we could say: The God the gave birth to Righteousness or The God of Righteousness

God = Righteousness

So, we are children of Oduduwa: We are Children of Righteousness!

Yoruba's believe so much in Revelation of the future through dreams which needs to be puzzled together, just like Joseph the dreamer

PeterK,

Anywhere you see the letter "d" in Yoruba language I want you to think of sovereingty. In ancient Yoruba arts sovereingty is symbolized by a triangle. There is a esoteric dimension to it and I will keep that information away from here.
Practically the triangular shape of our ADE or CROWN emerged out of a specific cult dedicated to this knowledge.

Every monarch in Europe who took its authority from Rome, as well the Vatican Pope as well as certain monarchs and priests of Far Eastern cultures are coronated with a triangular shaped hat, even if their head is later adorned in a crown or a titular hat. Similarly if you observe the white cap chiefs in Lagos, their official robes of office is very close in appearance to that of Ogboni and their hat, if fully extended will end up in a cone, just like an Oba's beaded crown....but the tip of the Chief's hat is always folded. This headgear, its roots belong to an ancient order.

So dont forget, the letter " D " in Yoruba is sovereing in meaning and triangular in shape or artform. Politicaly it symbolizes soacial order.

Yoruba had no written record of its letters but the fables, myths and praises and parables were saved in oral records and often played in drum beats and survived until we started writing them down but we wrote down were transcribed in latin scripts - foreign letters that mimick our sounds. Now everytime we attempt to decode a letter or word we go straight to attributes, instead of finding roots to help give meaning to the word.

Oduduwa contain two Ds, this gives it intensity or expansion. Picture it as a crown upon which sits another crown, this is not just a monarch but a King of Monarchs, in other words a totality.

Its like when you say Aro Kutukutu - dawn; or Osan Gangan - high noon.

The double consonants here represent a point of expansion beyond a field of reality or the continuity of a state in intensified form. In vector planes you can translate these into horizontal and vertical axis respectively.

The "wa" in Oduduwa is a dialect of the Sudan races, used commonly everywhere in WestAfrica.

Oduduwa is either Udud or Dudu.

Odu to da Iwa will not be correct because IWA itself is YWA which is where YWH came from.
You are correct that IWA is Righteousness.

Ive been coming in from time to time and reading. Prexios and tpia, please keep it easy.

You each have a different style, one is emotionally driven by air and the other by fire. You should have good combustion on the discussion but unfortunately thats not the case. Dont extinguish each other's drive. You are sharing what you know with audience, you are not competing with who is authority on the subject.

PeterKbaba: Solving the puzzle.

Oduduwa is not a name but a title.

Oduduwa= Odu to da iwa ( The Odu that gave birth/created righteousness )

The Odu talks more about the Yoruba's:

Our-His-Story/Creation//Songs of Praise/Way of worship/Priest-wood/Proverbs/Messages from God/Way of life etc.

The Yoruba's believe that as it was in the beginning, so shall it be in the end (Events re-occurs).

Therefore, Since we know this and we have details of causes/actions that brought about events that occurred in the past,

We can use the ODU (Our-Story) as an EQUATION in solving Future occurrence, Substituting Present events that are similar with our past events in the Odu's. This way, we can use the answers of the Odu to get the answer to the Future.

Oduduwa is the Title given to:
Our-His-Story of the Creation of the World(Beginning)
Our-His-Story in the Bible before the Flood ( Old Testament)
Our-His-Story in the middle east before we were driven out (Past)
Our new beginning at Ile-Ife (Present).

Remember the Bible says in Zephaniah 3:9/10 :

9: For then will I turn to the people a pure language, that they may all call upon the name of the LORD, to serve him with one consent.
10: From beyond the rivers of Ethiopia my suppliants, even the daughter (children) of my dispersed, shall bring mine offering.

The Yoruba Religion is built around Offering (Ram/Ebo) to God

Oduduwa is a title given to the Yoruba's by Olodumare/Eledumare/God.

THEREFORE: Oduduwa= Odu to da iwa ( The Odu that gave birth/created righteousness )

We are children of Oduduwa = Children Of The Righteous!
A Oduan= The Righteous!!!

How does Oduduwa translate to Righteousness?

Please clarify.

Fulaman198: Odumchi is a moderator friend. As Uweh mentioned, they have a right to open a thread for Igbo people/speakers only. Feel free to do the same for your ethnic group. Enjoy

I heard and understand. 'will note going forward.

Andre Uweh: In the culture section, you are allowed to write in any language outside English lang. Please check the rules once again.
Culture section is the only place indigenous languages are allowed to flourish. Deal with ok.

Thanks Andrew

Alaafin in Yoruba means The Lord of the Realm.

Yoruba philosophy is completely rooted in the belief of duality of nature creation. The GOD of Yoruba is ONE and indivisible but he sits on a throne shielded by 801 deities or gods.

Two hundred to the right, two hundred to the left of his Throne and four hundred and one that traverse repeatedly between that throne in heaven and the earth. They go up and down, these are the Irunmoles. Whether you address them as male or female is immaterial because Adam, the human prototype, was created like them originally...in male/female form.

We are already in discussion on this topic and many others relating to Yoruba origin. Look for the thread and read for more knowledge on the topic. If you need clarification ask me over there.

See ya!

Odumchi,

Im surprised to see a thread created by you strictly for Igbo speaking groups. Im shocked that such practise is allowed here at all. Can you imagine if I open a thread and strictly for those who speak Yoruba Eno and excluded all others from awareness of what we are discussing..or even more so if i invite arabic speakers only and we converse in here in arabic only. Think about the perception.

This is cultural section, we should welcome awareness, not hidden agenda and spite.
Please take your thread out of here, this is an unwelcome practice.

This is my second time complaining to you mods on such arrogance from Igbo members on this forum. Do not start here what will later become your regret. If this thread is not corrected and the practice not stopped i will take it above you to the mods. If they fail to act you will begin to see Arabic only threads on this forum.

I dont need to post link so dont ask me for one, you know what thread im talking about.

yemi prof: With deep sorrow in my heart, I write this you all at Nairaland.
A female friend of mine lost her Aunt on thursday but when I heard I just condoles with her but I wasn't so sad because I don't know her aunt.
Today, I realize with her Display pictures and Personal message that she is till mourning her, so I ping her to ask if she was @ home but I was shocked and almost weeping when she replied ”no because they are BURNING her today".
I feel this Cremation/burning of the dead that Gov. Fashola signed to law is rubbish, it is against out culture and life here in Nigeria, it saddening and more sorrowful to see your Loved one remains being burned. very sad. I'm not happy at all.

We are so enamored by Fashola's scholarship that we get afraid to criticize him in fear that his positions is at all times intelligent and anyone in opposition to Fashola is anti-intelligence. No one wants to be labeled illiterate so everyone nod to the decisions of the governor, good, bad and ugly.

We do not have scholars in Africa. If we did our rate of growth and development will be at par with our academic accomplishments and laurels, individually earned and or the collective combine. What we do is mimick! We copy and institute a mirror of Western culture and our effectiveness at doing this is what we regard as scholarship and intellectualism.

Africans love soccer and there are many stadiums built in this continent. We have been turning out engineers for over 50yrs. Name one stadium in Africa built from end to end by a Black African engineer or a party of them. None!

We love politics and as symbols of our thirst for power we erect huge palaces and monumental estates that we call Presidential Villa. Out of all these many villas in Africa name one built end to end by native ingenuity.

But we build many churches, mosques, fast food restaurants and now, as you said, we have copied and mimicked the art of body cremation. Pretty soon it will be upgraded out of the reach of poor people and once the elites of society start to subscribe it will become symbol of socialite and we will start the rat race to see who can have their relative burnt with the best accoutements that crematoriums can offer.

1st person conversation:
My Uncle's ash was sealed in a silver urn.

2nd person:
Oh really, have you seen the platinum urn sitting on Ayo's bookshelf? Its imported from Germany, they were going to use iroko wood from Agege to burn his Aunt but he intervened and ordered oak instead, from USA. I hear the platinum is encrusted too.



How soon after this do we have before the intelligent crew dump homose.xuality rights law on us and make it legal for Phillip and Jimoh to wear lip stick and wig in our society?


Baba GOD, please guide those who we look up to for social guidance, Amen.

I also want to throw a little known fact out here.

The English word "pant" may have its roots in French word "pantaloo", which perharps even traced back to Greek/Latin. Its Yoruba cognate is "bante".

Allright, so we keep moving on.

We started out with the objective to useletters, sounds and oral history to trace roots and origins. We have made tremendous progress and the inputs are challenging but very insightful and educative. Let's keep the tempo going.

Next stage for me is to explore the functional meanings and significance of the sounds in the term "owuro".

What is the function of "ro", and what is the function of "wu"?

[quote author=tpia@]Al means owner, and is a unit on its own.

Ol is short for Olu, which means sovereign, or could also be owner in a more powerful sense.

i dont know the meaning of afin, its actually a rather unusual word because it ends with a consonant- yoruba generally doesnt allow that.[/quote]That makes sense. Now, Olofin is unique to the Aworis. So is Odofin. Odofin in fact is one of the Idejo titular white cap chiefs of Lagos.

Afin is Realm. When taken in perspective of your explanation for sovereingty it sits well with the title of Alaafin of Oyo.

Aworis were at one time in abode at Ife. Could Alafin/Olofin have connection with Oranyan?

The challenge here for us is an understanding of why we use "al" in certain instance but "ol" in another.

Do the prefix mean something significant or are they just dialects in the sub cultures of the commonwealth and mean the same thing but sounded and written differently?

Alafin
Olofin
Odofin

Prexios, i was trying to back up your follow up to 9jacrip on Alafin and Olofin but i got banned and blocked repeatedly. The mods did not respond to my request for help so i went to Mukina2 for help. The post was unhidden and is at 1138 on Sept 28 above.

The summary of it is Alafin and Olofin are titles for divine kings. The "fin" in their name is where Infinity and finity derives from. Infinity/finity is combined to produce divinity, where the "di" means two...or the two powers of heaven and earth.

Alafin/Olofin stand for The Lord of the Realm in ephemereal sense (finity)

They both are second in command to the ethereal (infinity) Lord of the Realm, who commands the Throne (Arsh) - Ashe - in heaven.

MyJwell: complete trash

Please lets be respectful and have a counter argument to what we disagree with instead of just dismissing contributions. If this write up is trash, then give us something acceptable. We are learning.

Fulaman198: What exactly is being blocked and on which topic thread url?

Thanks, the problem has been resolved already.

prexios: Sorry for that, use word processor first then copy and paste to submit for the time being. Ithink amo4ce may have evolve from yemiton to therealisraelites.com. He is still involve with the campaign of calumny. May our gift not become grieve nor grave. Amen.

Lol, nice sense of humor!

Well, lets see, i recomposed following your suggestion lets see if it sticks.

prexios: Great dept of analysis there. more greaze to the right places. Meanwhile, Olofin may also be an adaptation of biblical priestly tribe, LEVI. The Awori for instance pride themselves as "omo Olofin ejigiri sise, ise lafi dale-ife". That evidently shows that the title partain to some kind of priestly king with missionary task involve in the founding of ife.

prexios: Odu'a was the same personality as olofin or alaafin as metaphisical rightly pointed out. But thanks to research, few decades ago, such identity crisis was an issue of the day. we do have a lot to do.

Right. I submitted a post two ays ago but spambot blocked me and my post and it was lost. I will try and recompose and post later.

9jacrip: Who is Olofin and who is Odu'a?
To my knowledge Odu'a is often referred to as Olofin, so your assertion lost me O!

Olofin
Alaafin

These two names are designates for divine powers or divine kings..

If you observe, "divine" itself is "di-vine", which also is "di-vin", just as in Yoruba "olofin" is "ol-ofin"; or in the case of "alaafin" we have "al-afin".

Al, El, Il, Ol, Ul, in Yoruba are bridges for Objective-Subjective entities.

We have here "vin" as cognate for "fin", in similar manner that "Nineveh" is viewed as "IleIfe". The "f" in one transposed to "v" in the other and vice versa.

[quote author=عبدالكريم]Man your breath is bulls%$t, and your wack a$$ stupid opinions. Them Kanuris will put your pagan wanna-be a$$ in a pinebox with your fake-a$$ idols, using them damn tubab terms "Chadic Sahelian ". Kanuri are children of Saif Dhu yazan and you're a tubaab toilet stool. P.s. we gon getchu and dem other sell out lil romans.


There were and are no indigenous blacks in the Middle East. Ive lived there for long. And I know the tribespeople there.
I can recite all their lineages with apt fluency.

The only blacks there are slave descendants from Zanzibar and Kenya in the East Coast of Trucail States and Oman.

THe rest are slaves from Sudan, etc., in Saudi Arabia.[/quote]Abdul Karim,
Salama. Clarify please when you say there were no indigenous blacks in mideast. MidEast is huge and as a geopolitical label it covers from Egypt on the west to as far east as Afghanistan.

prexios: i have been going throught the Bowen stuff that Physique shared, meantime, this is what i have as to Bowen on Yoruba

In adventures and missionary labours in several countries of interior of Africa, from 1849 to 1856 (vide the book Ife the holy city of the Yoruba: an annotated bibliography, by Stanley and Richard Olaniyan) Bowen noted that the sun had not been a reliious object among the people of west Africa "except at ifeh, where there was said to be large brazen(e.i. brass) images of these objects, and a brazen chain which fell down from heaven. Bowen was told that Ifeh, where men were created was on the sea.

There are so many angles, it's almost like there is no end to the revelations and discoveries.

This is just in English language, when you explore into records written in Portuguese, French, German, Spanish, Arabic, Dutch, Im sure there is far more information and chronicles on Ife and Yoruba than we can imagine to exist.

[quote author=tpia@]this "la" in obatala needs further study.

@ topic

does the "la" refer to deliverance, salvation, or divide?

eg igbala- deliverance vs la omi- divide or open[/quote]We have talked about different letters, their sounds and spark or force equivalent, we have not explored the letter T.

T, is a spark ignition for "cosmic authority".

Yoruba will say "ate" for a spread.

Atele Owo
Atele Ese

In AfroAsiatic myths Atala means a primordial settlement of earth. Where else do we see this occurrence? In the myth of creation of Ife where Oduduwa and Obatala were designated to create land from water.

In Islam (pay attention prexios, my first religios reference ), Allahu wa Ta ala. This is an attribute or homage to GOD the creator.

The "atala" in Obatala is the same as the "atala" of the Assyrian and the "ta ala" of the Islamic faith.

It is the same ATALA which the Phoenicians, the first people to map the earth, employed to call their work "Atlas", the ocean "Atlantic", from which derived myth of a civilization "Atlantis" buried under the sea.

^^^

Prexios,

I want to share a knowledge with you but it might be unecessary I suppose knowing that you are not a newbie to online forums and the intrigues but please pardon the redundancy anyway.

You have initiated and continously fed this thread so far now in its 11th page. Radoillo has nothing positive to contribute here, neither does Physics. We are engaged in an exercise which is beyond their comprehension. It takes somebody with a firm grip on Yoruba sounds, letters, oral history, myths and culture to get a hint and appreciate what is going on here. These people want to contain this work within the framework of language study, what we have here is far above and beyond what linguists can understand.

Radoillo opened with "you all want to hear the truth?"; and he pretty much wrapped his truth up in language assimilation, ignoring arts, rites, sound, cults, manuscripts and myths.

Its like dipping hand in a treasure chest and pulling out a dead toad and thereby condemning the whole vault to destruction.

They see a dead toad, thats how far their insight can carry. The contributors on this thread see treasures worth cleaning up and salvaging for future use.

You have my encouragement and support to continue on this quest. Trust me, we have not even scratched the surface yet, there are far more materials uncovered than what has so far been shared. When we get to looking at common sounds and letters between Hausa and Yoruba I will disclose, with proofs, that Yoruba did not borrow words from Hausa.

There is a belief because of proximity and the fact that Islam flowed North to South, that the Arabic sounds in Yoruba were loan words from Hausa. Im here to burst that long held belief.

I will advise you do not entangle yourself with Radoillo or Physics. Give them one or two responses and end it. It is not difficult to ignore unproductive posts.

We must move on...

prexios: i have to say that's some sort of esoteric artistry.

I will keep the opposites at heart and the natural elements of fire and element you talk of, are fire and stone, you ask me to keep this at the back of my mind. that's quite an instruction, i will keep it someplace safe. And i know definitely that there are opposites.

But sharing valuable insight will not take you out of threshold. i consider your view as my "apologetic" since you are my alter ego. Your presentation is my presentation. our exchange point come to an intersection.

Lol.

Chiamaka01: As a christian, i beg to differ. Weren't all humans together before God confused their language?
If you don't want to look at it from a biblical perspective, all humans irrespective of race or skin colour belong to the same specie. If you are familiar with geography, you will discover that all humans live together before the oceans starting creating large divides btwn landmasses.

This knowlege is a constant, Yoruba philosophy ackwoledges the universality of mankind.

We are discussing variables on this thread. Yoruba has a signature brand which no other ethnic group in sub-sahara posesses. It's a differentiator and is valuable economically, politically, culturally and ecologically. Where did this brand come from? This is our pursuit.

You might counter and say every other ethnic group can make the same claim. True. Then they should open their own thread to explore that interest. This one is specific to Yoruba, not the entire humanity.

PhysicsQED: Based on other information in his book, I'm sure Bowen would have agreed with you (regarding the statement about cultural rites), were he alive - although of course he probably would have opted for the (much simpler) explanation of saying that these resemblances and functional contacts were brought about by a few Semitic adventurers, rather than suggesting that the Yoruba migrated en masse from somewhere outside of Africa. But of course I am not really convinced by his arguments, and not in any way endorsing his arguments. I'm only pointing out that, in the course of his analysis of actual and supposed linguistic correspondences, Bowen inadvertently reveals something about this linguistic correspondence game - if one wants to, one can even find correspondences (in spelling, meaning and sense) with words used by groups as far off as Scandinavia, India and the Americas. This makes it obvious that this word correspondence approach probably isn't the most useful one to take to find "evidence" of the alleged non-African roots of the Yoruba culture or language. Constructing a convincing narrative where Semitic & Mediterranean word correspondences are proof of Middle Eastern or other non-African origins seems more difficult once one considers that one can find the same word correspondences with much further away and (more obviously) culturally distant linguistic groups - if one has the knowledge and time to do so.

Physics,

Thank you for introducing it into record but the purpose of this thread is completely different from what you have pointed out in Bowen's book.

Bowen is talking about literal meanings. In other words, if I use the Yoruba word "bimo" (childbirth) in a statement, it can be expected to be the cognate of "bibi" in Fulani, or "bin" in Semitic tongues. Bowen has taken a linguist approach to explain it. He concludes that the words carry the same sense, which is a cognitive response and therefore conceptual. His narrations, comparisons and conclusions left out the functional aspect of the letter-combinations and their spiritual applications in the native culture.

Some of his word are comparisons are as far-off from their mark as Dierk Lange's attempt in matching Oyo kings with Assyrian Kings.

For example, in one of his comparisons he tells us "ehin" in Yoruba is "back" in English. That's inaccurate.

English has back, behind, past, aft to express events which in relationship to "time" and "space" is swept away. It is also used anatomically for parts of body that in relationship to the "vision" cannot be eyeballed.

Yoruba has ehin and ikoja to express relativity of "time" and "space" to real time opportunity and application. Ehin is used exclusively in anatomical reference.

In his interpretation of "ehin", it corresponds correctly with "behind" and incorrectly with "back". This is a technical error and I wonder if it had a religious bias since Bowen was doing missionary work and could perharps here had intended to lay a standard for a more sinister intent in Biblical contexts when converted or interpreted into Yoruba language. Similar to how Esu was standardized as attributes for negative virtues in character.

Another example to highlight that the direction and intent here on this discussion thread is totally different from Bowen's and, by extension, your stance on language correspondence is his comparison and interpretation of Yoruba "eiye" to mean English "bird".

I don't know how much I can stress this that English language is dimensionally abstract, it is applied conceptually to everything. What I mean by this is that English language gives to its speakers and natives an interface or a portal through which their humanity can observe, analyze, utilize and record everything outside the self.

On the other hand, Yoruba language is dimensionally concrete. It is functional and real. Yoruba gives its natives and speakers the embodiment to feel, see, hear, smell and taste nature within their humanity. There is no separation between self and nature, we are one with nature. The thought of observing, analyzing, utilizing and recording nature is foreign to us. We only need to study the self and we understand nature.

What we are doing here is examining the contexts of Yoruba letters, the words, sounds, and because we are speaking English not Yoruba, it is difficult to fully express the intended meaning in the spirit of the words. Our reference to Greek and Latin cognates seem to work in closing the gap in attenuation so that Yoruba words can be expressed in writtenbEnglish for better understanding. A very good example of that is Agboniregun and Aboregene/Aborigene or Owuro and Aurora. Afterall English itself evolved out of Roman, which came out of Greek/Latin. So we went to the root!

If our exercise here is merely to find correspondence in words, West Africa is sufficient for us to get a full list. The objective is different from that.

I do want to go back and share knowledge on the eiye/bird mis-application.

Eiye in Yoruba should be equivalent of Eye in English, and not bird as Bowen concluded.

Physics and Radoilo,

Before reading the suggested book, in response I would like to say that these correspomdences are far too close in spelling, meaning and sense to be dismissedbas "accidental". These are evidences of functional contacts in an ancient past not attributable to trade or religious adventure of Europeans on African coast.

Gelede is a cult in Yorubaland, but it also a theatrical play. If you screenwrite the drama andstory of Gelede and its counterpart Efe and you put on stage it could be mistaken for a borrowed Greek theater play. I point tobthis to illustrate that its not just words and sounds and letters but even in cultural rites.

I will readvand respond onbthe book and more on whatvyou said later.

If given the root word to be Ibri, and the conceptualization and signature-product is expected to be pure Yoruba reasoning, we would get Ibiri as the root word to Hebrew.what would be our interpretation? If that IBRI is as old as we thought, then we will employ old Yoruba to interpret it.

'ibi' -somewhere by 'iri' -Eri the river.

As such, we would have almost the same conclusions as the West. IBIRI could means IBIERI, or IBI'RI. that is, "somewhere by the river." Even in Yoruba, our ancient ancestors were navigators on the sea or rivers, hence we have markers such as MATO-RI, ITO-RI, WAR-RI,IWO-RI, ISHEKI-RI OTO AWO-RI, SHIBI-RI- all pointing to seafaring.

Prexios,

Would you like us to explore the root of Hebrew from its Biblical occurrence?

The Bible opens with the Hebrew word "BERE". In KJV this was translated to mean "IN THE BEGINNING".

Now, you say that Hebrew is derivative from "IBRI".

I want you to examine the root letters in both words, in other words, strip their vowels and leave just the two remaining consonants, B-R.

Lets step away from this root for a moment, we will come back to it. You are forcing me to dance too close to the threshold here.

Science says matters are divided into "living" and "non-living" things. Thats because science is yet to acknowledge the primal essence of creation - duality, paired and opposite.

Everything is alive and animated. All matter posess the flash of God. Everything must be two, only GOD can be ONE!

Only things that are dead are those which cannot be transformed to change state. There is nothing created by GOD which has been decreed to stay unchanged. Look to the sky, look to the sea, look on earth and look beneath earth, every matter is ordained to follow a orbit and a cycle of its own creation nature. Therefore science seeks to mislead when it teaches that all matter are either living or non living.

So what is matter?

Matter is anything which posesses in its integral form the privilege to exist within the full spectrum of the orbit assigned to it in creation.
Therefore, it doesnt matter how fierce a lion is its fierceness has an envelope and a signature. To tame a lion and subdue it you must first recognize its signature, but you cannot use its signature to bring it under control you must use a OPPOSITE of its signature to control it.

You dont use fire to tame fire, you use wind to tame fire. Similarly you use earth to tame water. This is the law of paired opposites.

Hyena has a bite jaw pressure per pound inch greater than any beast, yet people tame and domesticate it. There are certain things you can do with dog tongue and no dog will ever bark at you again.

So how do these things work?

We must go into the alchemy of "fire" and "stone". Im not going to talk about that but suffice to say that FIRE is the transformer or change agent and STONE is the transformed or change. I want you to always hold this thought in the back of your mind.

Lets go back to the roots of B and R.

B is nothing by itself but when animated to produce a spark or fire it goes into orbit. Whatever it touches multiplies.

R is also nothing alone, only GOD can exist alone and encompass all. Everyother thing must have a pairing. So it enters into orbit.
Whatever orbiting R touches is self-willed.

BR therefore will take the flavor of an intended or purposeful expansion.


In Yoruba,

Aburo - sibling (one's kins)
Abere - needle (pointer or guide to join more than one)
Ibere - beginning (self-start or creativity)
Ibere - question (self-inquiry or quest)
Obirin - female gender (self-split)


From Bible, each one of the following coincides with a purposeful era or regime of one entity pioneering an expansion.

Abram
Eber
Deborah
Hebrew


The BR in Hebrew has a far deeper and occultic meaning than what it appears to represent in literal value. One is expansion, the other is contraction.

Science will express this as a neutral effect, one cancels the other out! Again, thats because science is limited in its understanding of nature of creation.

Music will express it as a harmony, a beautiful union.

In esoteric arts its called a state of bliss, the point at which ying and yang lose material consciousness and is able to master and tame the beast within. This is the point where if you sit stirring into the flame of a burning candle you become the flame yourself and you are immune to the sensation of the flame touching on your skin.

This is the miracle of Abraham when he was thrown into fire by Nimrod but God shielded him and he came out whole, unburnt.

Ive stepped beyond my threshold, i need to retract my steps and stay a safe distance from these stuffs.

prexios: I am also very sorry for all the frictions that holding back may have cause us all. Its uneasy sharing, it is a quiet tribulation but we have to do it anyway, we all hold our ideas dear, we labour and toil for it and we have plans or purpose for it. What shall we do, a lot of greater ideas are out there too, and a lot of much more greatness went with a lot of people to their graves, they do not want to "waste" it, at the end it amount to nothing for anyone.

i love my ideas, but i will love to share it and borrow other peoples memories, so that the story can outlive us all and be part of the future. my favourite idea is, creativity without productivity is stupidity in the making. I don't want to end up being a stupid man with load of ideas, i want to share it with others and borrow from others too, to i can be indepted to the tune of peoples indebtedness to my own toils too. there we go again, English. whatever.

Cast your bread upon the waters, after many days you shall see it.

By sharing, we learn to add more to our collections and understand our positions better. we come into this world with nothing, everything we know we have learnt from people before us who were gracious and generous with us too. their intellectual resource is everywhere in proverbs, knowledge and so forth, and such adds to what makes us tick.that's the good life and daily discovery that makes us feel good as seekers.

Biobaku was however a scholar without bias, he felt that if another scholar were to come up with a new finding, much of what earlier scholars had written may have to be modified or abandon altogether. That means he was not really confident of his conclusion of Yoruba not being JEW or ETRUSCAN(i.e. Atalas or Atlantis) or EGYPTIAN, but he believed like us that Yoruba migrated from another land.

I know you may have to deal with the "JEWISH CONCEPTION" and it may be a great stumbling block for any "Muslim-Yoruba-Historian". Even Dr. Biobaku could not fare better in a way because he declared that Yoruba were "neither Jews nor Etruscan" he get the predecessors point of view, but religious emotion is always an abstract interference that the scholar himself may not be very privy of.

how did i handle the stumbling block? I don't often claim Yoruba are JEWS, that's the identity of a section of the ancient Israel, but the Yoruba were Hebrew, or descents of ancient Israel. The Yoruba are not the lost tribe of Israel to me, but migrant from ancient Israel. More so, I always read meaning to some words of Christ, one of them is this:"The stone which the builders rejected has become the head of the corner" I don't know how apparent that is, but i know that Blacks were once rejected by the rest of the world and today, a man of African descent is the present leader of the "free world" as those folks often love to put it.

What is the import of that to the Yoruba history? Tony Spike said Luwo have affinity to the Yoruba.

Actually, i did not start with this materials that i have shared all along, i was trying to check when Babel happened in the bible year 2000, then i have to read Genesis and i saw Ethiopia. i was surprised, so the bible mention a place in Africa? i thought its all about Israel. i got hooked. i used to see bible as one confusing book that i don't understand, not to talk of Christians who after preaching to me would ask me, are you ready to accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and personal saviour? that question always irritate me so much, i wonder, what do you want to do with my acceptance?

I think I prefer Jehovah witness approach, back in time as a little truant boy, they were telling me of paradise after all my neigbour shun them, i pity them and listen, because I love to do exactly what my neigbours hates just to hear what they will say, they never know if they should call me a bad boy or a good boy, but that i play pranks was well known and I often listen to them Jehovah Witness somehow.

that makes me find the Bible compatible with reality when i read a particular edition of awake titled "must you fear the apocalypse?" and from that springboard, and the search for "babel" which i want to use in my music composition, i found correlations in bible and Yoruba traditions. then my convictions was helped by reading all of the book of Isaiah and other books of the bible with that frame of mind.

I think this is about the second or third time you attributed my views to religious bias. Everyone of my contribution so far has been from a spiritual standpoint. I have stayed clear of introducing letters, sounds and terms that Arabic share with Yoruba, and even if i do so it still cannot be religious because Arabic is not exclusive to Islam. My rejection of Israel as Yoruba root has nothing to do with my faith. Israel is not Canaan. Children of Israel are occupiers in Canaan. Is it possible that a sub-segment of Yoruba may be Israelites? Yes that is indeed true and I gave voice to that numerously, but to call the spearhead, the crown of Yoruba race a Israelite, I dispute that.
Yoruba Nation is a commonwealth of peoples and at the top of that is a unique race. What we are looking for here is to find home for that Alpha race.

I saw the following in Nigerian news and wanted to share. Here they say "ceramics" came from Greek's "keramos". Well, compare it with Yoruba's "amo". They all took derivation from the original, Biblical "Adamo".

Ceramics, derived from the Greek expression, keramos, which means ‘potter’s clay’, was originally used to refer to the art of making pots. However, its scope has broadened to include the science of manufacturing articles prepared from malleable clays that are made rigid by firing. They are nonmetallic, inorganic materials (mainly compounds of oxygen, and compounds of carbon, nitrogen, boron, and silicon).