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Badgers14:
Agreed!! That was very harsh.

Personally I think they are making it difficult for michillins to prove himself, one was requesting a video of him working? What else do they need, a stool sample?

I don't recall anyone ever been pushed like this, the only thing people say is open your thread to showcase your work.

I have asked someone that I do five doors and send to his location using an escrow. I don't know what else una want me to do biko. My business is young but that's not a reason for people to make it too difficult for me to get clients

n3xt:
I’m here to help you bro. Believe, you’ll run into big issues if you don’t get your pricing right.

Take a chill and try to understand the dynamics of this work.

At what point did you realize the pricing is poor?

Did I ever negotiate your offers?

Am I not the one telling you your prices are too low? I think I did that about two or three times before I decided to make commitment for the project because I know your pricing are too low and I expect you to do your due dilligence.

Hmm!

I’m dropping mic on this one too!

if you haven't made a mistake at pricing,then kudos. I made a mistake and I realized that and told you that I can't do it again. Good thing is that I realized earlier before you committed funds saving us some trouble. You should know that if I was a fraud, I would have accepted your offer and ran but I am not one so I told you that I can't do it again.

I'm sorry for the inconveniences caused

n3xt:
Baba just chill out. It’s your birthday!

If only you know what the above cost me, you’ll understand scrutinizing a service provider is beyond lip service.

I had to convince my client on why the people who we engaged to work on site can’t go ahead with plan.

I had to discuss with another welder to take up the project at a higher cost.

I had to adjust the project schedule to allow for the new change. We were meant to have a welder working on site but we ended up giving the job to someone working offsite.

The effect is beyond imagination.

I'm sorry for the inconveniences caused you. You could have still given me the job at my own cost and I will still do it at your site and within same timing.

Once again, I'm so sorry for the inconveniences caused by that

n3xt:
I have nothing against michlins but I think he needs to take a chill and understand that people are smart.

so I asked that I review my quotes upwards,does that qualify me as fraud?

I will gladly turn down a job if the pricing is poor instead of going into it and stopping half way because of paucity of funds

What has no sex relationship got to do with her childlessness. I don't subscribe to any religion and stuff but you haven't been able to prove that her celibate lifestyle caused her not to conceive

dongc:
Wait a sec... are you not same guy here on spyders thread below...telling me that my door to my kobo kobo house is cheap and dated while I and oga kopell were pointing out that laser machines and newer technology in your line work would improve prices and that over spending and overkill doesn't mean quality....

so you are also selling cheap doors now �...this life self ehh.

So I am not the only one who wants functionality...if it is cheap why not...

https://www.nairaland.com/5178606/making-owerri-royal-manor/30#93210686

your doors are outdated in terms of design and I stand by my statement. The future of my work is wrought. I know some day, wrought will be old design but until then.....

JustCryptos:
This was done for 35k? When?

I can make this door for you but there will be a bit of increase in price

May she come back in one piece.

omanzo02:
Don't let others perception get to you or discourage you, you know yourself better, whether a scammer or not...... there's nothing wrong making product at cheaper rate below others expectation...... One businessman want make 100% profit while another may decide to make 10%, it just business strategy.

talking about business strategy, the reason some artisans don't make it as big as businessmen is because they're greedy with pricing. A businessman will sell an item with less than #20 but will be selling huge quantity of same. At the end of the day,he will smile to the bank. An artisan will sell with above 70% profit today and for the next two weeks,he will have to depend on his previous sales to survive. Main reason many people avoid iron doors is because they're ridiculously expensive. Price it well and you will sell it in far greater quantity.

n3xt:
You’re blessed!

Grow through what you go through
Whatever challenge you’re going through right now should teach you how to serve your customer better.

The major difference between me and you is that you don’t have convincing evidence. And that’s fine. We start somewhere.

All the doors I’ve shared aren’t on my client’s project. I do them as DIY so that I can be showing you every details as you’re requesting for them.

Don’t run away from the things that’ll shape you in life. And don’t be sissy!

what further explanation and evidence do you want. I uploaded picture of what I'm working on currently and someone compared it with a finished work and said he understands why my doors are cheap. I will still show you guys the photos when it's a complete job. I believe we have an ongoing discussion, let's make it a deal and if I don't do something beyond your expectations, call me out here and drag me the way you want

n3xt:
Some years back, I saw a N2,000,000 door (close to pic 1 below) at Swiss Trade, VGC Lagos. I approached the local carpenters at the sawmill in Ijebu Ode/Itokin road to make a similar door for me at a very ridiculously cheap price.

A lot of people felt like it’s impossible or the materials used for the door are inferior. Of course, I got my hinges, locks and handles from quality hardware store I didn’t take a gamble on that.

Interestingly the door is still as good as a new one in my kitchen.

Did people agree with me? No!

Is the door serving it’s intended purpose in the house? Yes!

Did I pay N2,000,000 to get almost the same door? No!

Was it the same finish? Absolutely not but it’s good enough for the intended purpose.

I know there are people who can produce good doors half the price. The challenge is they don’t carry tag.
So I believe it’s possible BUT you need to know what you’re bargaining for and the areas of compromise.

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Sorry I won’t be able to tell you how much I made the door but if you search you’ll find. It’s on one of my thread.

Ridiculously cheap at Ijebu Ode Sawmill.

I like the way you are objective with your enquires and opinions. Just because I said I make doors at #18,000 doesn't mean that they are not durable and with standard.

Some people believe that it must be expensive to be good but I can't stop them

mrsteel:
My brother seems u are new to this thread?
Can u stop wasting your time on those two empty things? Do not let what they say move u oo. They are full of mouth! Continue marketing your work, those that will patronise will do so. Don't waste your time trying to convince engunmoaji & brabus(next), they have nothing to offer u. If u were here when this thread started, u would know those two! If u like, continue wasting your time on them, na u sabi.

Those that patronize vendors here don't make noise about it!

I'm new here. I describe my work because I know who will patronise me is at the background figuring out the difference between different doors and why their cost varies. The questions they ask helps me explain those things.

I think calling them empty heads is a bit of an over reach. It's the internet and everyone is entitled to their opinion.

What I hate however is Egunmogaji calling me a scammer without proof. It's a faceless forum if not,he will have to prove it to me how I am a scammer or provide whom I have scammed before. Libel is still a crime everywhere in the world

n3xt:
Nice!

Me I don’t like prints.

and that's what I talk about. I will give you options and allow you to make your choice. I make doors with 18k doesn't mean that I can't make doors with 100k and above. It's all about the choice of the customer and his spending power.

soonest:
Please enjoy your day and be merry.
I don't know why it seems people are being unnecessarily hard on you. You make 18k doors, I never saw where you said you can make 50k doors for 18k. O gini di?
Meanwhile happy birthday

thanks bro

n3xt:
Thumbs up for Antirust.

this is sample of the door I described. All these printed designs doesn't come as 14guage pan rather they come as 18guage. Anywhere you see those printed designs, they are simply 18 guage but that's not what your welder will tell you

Life can take a U turn in a twinkle of an eye.


Where are his friends and colleagues. Anyway they don't owe him anything

gbadexy:
Happy birthday @ michilin.
Discerning minds appreciate those providing different perspective to issues and enlightening people to make better informed decisions.
I pray things work out better for you here. I'm following you keenly and wish to business with you.
I understand where you're coming from and I can relate. The best we could do for a determined person trying to legitimately better there lot is to encourage them.
I'm aware many could afford to pay double for my products without flinching but they patronise and refer families, friends and acquaintances out of the need to show support.
Meanwhile here is a link to the internal painting of the screeded and painting thread of a prominent member of this thread.
He was given an outrageous quote for the screeding and I offered to do it for almost half and some Godsent members gave support.

https://www.nairaland.com/4783553/wall-screeding-ready-mix-putty

thanks much for the encouragement. Enjoy your day

EgunMogaji2:
It's nothing personal but I hardly engage vendors from here. As off today I need at least 50 doors in the next few months, that work will go to people in my community. I just don't see the economics in shipping doors all over the country.

The only reason I'm taking your time is just to show that there's a difference between N18K doors and N40K doors. Those of us buying doors at N40K and even more have a reason.

Are N18K doors good enough to use? Of course, but don't try to make it as if you're selling N40K doors at N18K. I have an issue with that.

On that note, I'll yield the floor on these subject.

if you have 40,000 you wish to spend on a single door, here's how you can get it.

1.5mm 3by1½

14 guage plain pan

16mm pan for frame

1.5mm ¾ square pipe

Foreign hinges and bolt

Anti rust will come first before normal painting

I don't see your local welder doing the bolded at all


Give me a chance to make at least one sample for you. If I fail to impress you, take your business elsewhere. If I impress you, let me do the rest at the place of your choosing.

n3xt:
Don’t be angry with us.

Here if you offer us something at a ridiculously cheap price, we will ask you “How much for the original one?”

It’s left for you to convince us beyond reasonable doubt that you’re right and we are wrong.

That might require you sending a sample down to Ibadan for us to dissect

That’s who we are over here! We are not mean

if doors are extremely expensive at your end, it's not my fault that the welders are making a kill.

EgunMogaji2:
I will always challenge your prices when you don't specify exactly what you are selling and try to pass it off as that your prices are better.

You are making inferior products and trying to pass it off as being equal to those costing more. You don't use stronger pressed top and side frames.

Just simply advertise that you make low cost doors. Those doors are available all over Nigeria, you're offering nothing special.

How many of those doors have you sold on here? Personally, I think you're a fraud at best but maybe just an ordinary scammer.

ok sir. But my offer still stands. Let me make five of these doors for you using an escrow

n3xt:
No pun intended bro.

Don’t take it too serious. We are all trying to help you here.

You don’t want to run into issues here bro.

I have been here trying to prove my integrity for months, I have had deals on Nairaland with no single report of crime which anyone can confirm. All these times that I sold phones, not one single person called me out as a scammer. Why should I start now.

You guys should remember that I'm still a human being and I have emotions. On a day I just want to celebrate and have fun, someone came for me again. Why can't he let today pass and come back tomorrow

n3xt:
The locks for that door should be about 18k now if not more.

I know cheap doors but this is custom-built. I bought the locks by myself.

I understand your points very clearly sir and the implication of the 18k price tag but what I feel is 18k is a good deal for whatever quality of door michlins produces.

To be fair, michlins, the price is too low to expect anything quality. I always use thick gauge in all my project which cost more than light pipes.

You need to consider most of these factors too.

the locks in the attached photo I saw when I was with my boss. Someone bought a door and brought those keys. I have always made it clear that the choice of materials depends on what the customer wants. The quotation I sent to you two days ago, I gave you two options which is then left for you to choose from.

You also confirmed that you asked your welder why he will sell a door for 40k when the most expensive materials costs about 5k. Nnewi is a relatively cheap town and that affects the prices of goods and services here

EgunMogaji2:
I have no issues with you Sir and we can't all be the same. I am sure that your business model works for you. It won't work for me.

Good luck Sir.

PS: I don't negotiate on my services and sales and it has cost me some sales I'm sure. But my business model is to have one fixed price and some of my customers appreciate that. I cater to a specific demographics.

here's me telling you about the difference about materials so saying that I'm just admitting such is a complete lie. You either have short memory or deliberately have mischief plans

EgunMogaji2:
Of course it's not the same, that's the point. The doors that we pay N40K for a vastly superior to your N18K doors, that's what I intend to show to people looking to build. We have low budget doors here too in town. I don't want people to go crazy looking for N40K doors at N18K.

This thread wasn't about advertising in the beginning but it's now gone to the Dogs. It's my intention to make sure that new members are not flimflammed about prices. This is the first time that you're admitting that you have various levels of materials and doors.

I remember telling you specifically that there are different materials used in my line of work. I also remember one guy asking me what guage I used and I clearly stated it was 18 guage. If you want me to use 14 guage material for you, you pay for it and I do it. Here's the materials that I use in working which can be modified for your own custom needs.

3by1½ pipe

6" frame

18mm pan.

Upon your request, I can increase or decrease the quality of the materials. I'm glad that some people already confirmed that doors go for around 17k at their location. Someone even said he got 17k offer from another welder. It's not a must that it will be expensive to be of high quality

n3xt:
Pls don’t forget our cake o

my address hasn't changed. Come collect yours

n3xt:
Ok that’s fine.

Always take as many “as built” pictures of your work. It helps a lot.

If I post any image here, I have over 20 other pictures from different angles stored in different storage locations and I also tag them for easy reference.

thanks for the advice. Like I said, I have learnt a great deal since I came across this thread and I'm glad for all the advice.

Enjoy your Sunday

n3xt:
By now, you should have gotten used to carrying pics of your work/project with you all the time. Save them in cloud storage if your phone don't have enough storage.

It’s a very important thing to do in this age.

I have pictures of my work in my phone. He asked for me to position the doors at a different angle. And I don't have such

n3xt:
35k

Me I no too dey like designs.

materials used here are

½" square rod for the attached design.

3by1½ pipe

2by1 pipe for the interior design

9" frame.

I can't tell the guage of the pan used from a picture but I believe it will not be less than 16 guage

All these attachments makes the door more expensive.

Biko how is the the same with the picture I posted earlier. If you want something customized as that, I will make it for you too at my own price.

EgunMogaji2:
Oga, as requested just show pictures of yours as positioned. I’ll do the needful.

Thanks.

it's Sunday, I'm at home not at work. Can I do that tomorrow?