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Abdulgaffar22:
Since any false representation of God is tantamount to IDOLATRY, then it is of great importance that there should be no any iota of confusion regarding the identity of God. However, this is not the case in Christianity. Unlike Qur'an, Bible is not consistent with the identity of God. If it says Jesus is God in one place, then it will say Jesus is not God in another place.


John1:1 declare:" In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." Here we see that THE WORD = GOD

In John 1:14, it states "The Word became flesh, and made His dwelling among us." Here we see again that JESUS = THE WORD. Simple logic declares that if A=B and B=C then A=C.


Therefore, since JESUS = THE WORD and THE WORD = GOD, then JESUS = GOD . This is just one out of many biblical evidence used by Trinitarian Christians to prove that Jesus is God.


Since we have seen how the book of John established that Jesus is God, let us now investigate whether the remaining part of the Bible support this claim or not.
1. Jesus was praying to the Father and he said; "And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the ONLY true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent (John 17:3)" . If Jesus himself was referring to another person (i:e the Father) as the "ONLY true God" , then how could Jesus be God ? If Jesus did not use the word "ONLY", then hopefully the Christians might still want to argue that Jesus is also God just like his Father. However, the word "ONLY" used by Jesus will continue to shatter the hope of those who want to believe that Jesus is God. This verse is the strongest evidence put forward by Jehovah witnesses to prove that Jesus is not God.


2. Similarly in John 20:17, Jesus was reported to have said “I am ascending to my Father and your Father, and to my God and your God”. If Jesus is God Almighty , then which God was he referring to when he said ; "my God and your God" ? Can God Almighty have another God?


3. Also Luke 6:12 says "He (Jesus) went out to the mountain side to pray, and continued all night in prayer to God" . If Jesus is God, who was he praying to? Was he praying to himself ?


4. Similarly, in John 14:28, Jesus said: “My Father is GREATER THAN I”. If Jesus is God, why is he having someone greater than him? Can anybody be greater than God?


5. Again in Mark 10:18, Jesus said to one man who called him good teacher as follows: “why do you call me good? No one is good, but one, that is God”. If Jesus is God, why did he reject being called “good” and then submit that all goodness belongs only to God?


6. Furthermore, in John 14:1, Jesus said “let not your heart be troubled: you believe in God, believe also in me”. Remember Jesus did NOT say: "you believe in Father, believe also in me". He said : "you believe in God, believe also in me”. Therefore, if Jesus is God, why did he clearly distinguish himself from God?

7. Again, in Matthew 24:36, Jesus said; “But of that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the son, but ONLY THE FATHER”. If Jesus is God, why did he confess his lack of knowledge about the Day of Judgment and then submit that the knowledge of that day belongs only to the Father? Can God be lacking anything as regard to knowledge?

8. Finally in John 5:30, Jesus was reported to have said: " I can of my own self do nothing". If Jesus is God, is it possible for All- powerful and independent God to utter this kind of statement?

As you can see, there is no way we can reconcile John 1:1,14 (which teaches that Jesus is God ) with other verses of the Bible that dispute this claim. Despite the fact that Trinitarian Christians and Jehovah witnesses are using the same Bible; yet they differ in their belief regarding the identity of God. The former believe that Jesus is God while the latter believe that Jesus is not God. Have you now seen that the main cause of this discrepancy is the Bible itself. This is the reason why Jehovah witnesses were forced to change the translation of John 1:1 to " In the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was a god" . They change the clause "and the word was God" in all other versions of the Bible to "and the word was a god" in their NWT Bible. Therefore, by refering to Jesus as a lesser "god", they managed to run away from the problem of calling Jesus God.


However, as they managed to run away from the problem of accepting Jesus as God , they were unable to run away from the problem of accepting him as "master worker of all creation" . In other words , like other Christian denominations, the Jehovah witnesses also believe that God created everything THROUGH Jesus Christ . They believe that God did not create anything EXCEPT Jesus. That is to say: God created Jesus, then it was Jesus that created all other things including the heavens and the earth. So according to their claim, Jesus is the immediate Creator of all things. That God created everything through (or by )Jesus Christ is no where to be found in the Gospel of Matthew, Mark and Luke. It is only found in the books written by Paul and John;


Yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, THROUGH WHOM ALL THINGS CAME and through whom we live.( 1st Corinthians 8:6).


For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; ALL THINGS HAVE BEEN CREATED THROUGH him and for him ( Colossians 1:16).


THROUGH him ALL THINGS WERE MADE ; without him nothing was made that has been made (John 1:3)


But is it really true that God assigned the creation of heavens and earth to Jesus christ ? Let see what God Almighty say about this matter ;


"This is what the LORD says, your Redeemer and the one who formed you in the womb: 'I am the LORD, who has made everything, who ALONE stretched out the heavens, who spread out the earth BY MYSELF (WHO WAS WITH ME ?) (Isaiah 44:24 KJV, NWT)


"MY OWN HAND laid the foundations of the earth, and MY RIGHT HAND spread out the heavens; when I summon them, they all stand up together. (Isaiah 48:13)".

It is I who made the earth and created mankind on it. MY OWN HANDS stretched out the heavens; I marshaled their starry hosts (Isaiah 45:12)


"For My HAND made all these things, Thus all these things came into being," declares the LORD ( Isaiah 66:2)

As you can see from above, Paul and John proclaimed that God delegated the creation of all things to Jesus Christ. But God Almighty declare that He created all things ALL ALONE, BY HIMSELF, BY HIS OWN HANDS AND NOBODY WAS WITH HIM. What better words do we want God to use before we can believe that He created the heavens and the earth without the assistance of anybody ?

If a man hires a contractor as his agent to build a house, could the man say that he built the house “ALL ALONE” and "BY HIS OWN HANDS" without lying? So could God Almighty have lied about creating the heavens and the earth by His own hands while He actually used another distinct person as His agent to actually do the creation for Him?


Besides, who want to know or care that one true God exist if not for His act of creation? The only reason why we label all the idols as " false gods" is because they did not create anything and that is the reason they do not deserve our worship. Therefore, it is quite true that all the worship and glorification we give to God originate from the fact of being the Creator of all things . In other words, the STRONGEST REASON why God deserve our worship, praises and glory is because He was the one that created us and all other things that exist (See Psalm 95:6, 96:4-5, 139:14, Revelation 4:11, 14:7). Does it now make sense to believe that God assigned the creation of all things to another person given that it is through that very act of creation He deserve our worship and through it we acknowledge His existence ?
Hence, if Jehovah witnesses and other Christians rely heavily on the words of Paul and John or any other person and therefore insist that God assigned the creation of all things to Jesus Christ, then Jesus deserve their worship because the reasonable response of the creature is to worship their Creator. Yet, only God deserve to be worship. This is exactly the reason why God would never delegate the creation of things to any other person other than Himself as He clearly stated above: "BY MYSELF( Isaiah 44:24)".
In fact, the question at the end of Isaiah 44:24 quoted above - "WHO WAS WITH ME ?" present in some versions of the Bible (including NWT Bible of Jehovah's witnesses) is an indisputable evidence that God did not employ the service of anybody during the creation of the heavens and the earth ! But sadly enough, the Christians still prefer those fallible words of men (which they believe to be inspired by God) to those infallible words of God that came DIRECTLY from God's mouth. Is this not the high time for the Christians to question their belief that the whole of the Bible is an inspired word of God? Here we can see how Paul and John contradict God Almighty on the answer to the question "who is the actual Creator of all things?"; a very important question that demands a straightforward answer!


The only way to resolve this contradiction is when we assume that Jesus is God. But as we have already established above, there are many verses of Bible that will never support this assumption.

Consequently, if Jehovah witnesses manage to escape the problem of accepting Jesus as God, there is no way they can escape the problem of accepting him as master worker of all creation. The only solution to this problem is to expunge all those fallible words of men from the Bible while allowing the DIRECT words from God's mouth to stay. But then, what are we to say about the authenticity of the Bible ?


Have you now agreed with me that the problem of "Who is God ? and who is the creator ?" is yet to be resolved in the world of Christianity . This is a FOUNDATIONAL problem that can never be overlooked. As we all know, any beautiful mansion that is erected on a very weak foundation is bound to collapse! This problem alone, if properly understood, is enough for any sincere seeker of truth to have preference for Islam over Christianity.
Unlike Bible, Qur'an is consistent regarding the identity of God ; it is consistent in establishing that God is God and He is the creator of all things, and that Jesus is neither God nor the Creator but one of the mighty prophets of God who was born miraculously by virgin Mary.

There are some Christians who want to argue that Allah is not God. I will only advice these Christians to get a Bible translated in Arabic language. They will discover that there is no other name the authors used for God except Allah ( the same spelling with that of Qur'an). Since God is the originator and creator of all languages, there is nothing wrong if God use Allah for himself in Quran given that Qur'an was revealed in Arabic language and there is no any other name that Arabs used for God other than Allah. What these Christians suppose to do is to investigate whether the description and identity given to Allah in Qur'an actually tally with that of God Almighty. Reading those verses of Qur'an quoted below are enough to convince you that description and identity of the speaker (Allah) tally perfectly with that of God Almighty, the God of Israel.


“O children of Israel! Remember My special favor which I bestowed upon you, and fulfill your covenant with Me as I fulfill My covenant with you, and fear none but Me. And believe in what I have sent down ( i:e this Qur’an) confirming that which is with you, and be not the first to reject it, nor sell My verses for a small price; and fear Me, and Me alone (Qur’an 2:40-41)”.


I made them not to witness the creation of the heavens and the earth and not (even) their own creation, nor was I to take the misleaders as helpers (Qur'an 18:51)


And that was Our proof which We gave to Abraham against his people. We raise whom We will in degrees. Certainly your Lord is All-Wise, All-Knowing. And We bestowed upon him Isaac and Jacob, each of them We guided. And before him We guided Noah, and among his progeny David, Solomon, Job, Joseph, Moses and Aaron. Thus do We reward the good doers. And Zachariah, and John and Jesus and Elias, all in the ranks of the righteous. And Ishmael and Elisha, and Jonah and Lot; each one of them We preferred above the nations (Qur'an 6:83-86).


O My servants who believe! Certainly, My earth is spacious. Therefore worship Me and Me alone. Every soul shall have a taste of death. Then to Us you shall be brought back (Qur’an 29:56-57).


When My servants ask you concerning Me, I am indeed close to them. I listen to the prayer of every suppliant when he called on Me. Therefore, let them also obey Me and believe in Me, so that they may be walked in the right way (Qur’an 2:186).


We did not send before you (O Muhammad-pbuh) any messenger but We inspired him that there is no God beside Me; therefore worship Me (Qur’an 21:25)


As you can see, all the personal pronouns in all the verses of Qur'an cited above can never be referred CONTEXTUALLY to any other person except God.

Parydelegate:
Seyi Makinde is working....no more brown roofs in ibadan

FiftyFifty:
See another one again and yet these people will call themselves educated. Same Bible that won the most contradictory book of all time award? Lol.

Aemmyjah:
See this one
Came to ruin everything by saying Christ is a mystery
Bwahahahahaha
What will you understand or benefit from someone cloaking as a mystery?

Is MaxInDHouse your Papa that you should wait for his contribution?

CondemnBattery:
No retreat, no surrender!!!

I love these Israelis.

No amount of blackmail or sympathy from terrorists sympathizers will deter them from delivering their so called imaginary 70 virgins to them.

Spit on all HARAM and associates.

FiftyFifty:
Tell this to the crusaders...

Emusan:
Can you even listen to yourself?

It's obvious that you don't know what you're doing here.

Okwyjesus:
Those YORUBAs that injure people that came to vote in Lagos last election what did they give them?

Am just asking?

Janosky:

The ONLY reason that Sand2022 & Sparrow insulted me is because I have espoused the biblical injunction of Hebrews 13:7,17 Which reflects & corresponds to Paul's experience of conversion & commencement of ministry.


Paul was converted & taught by his leaders in the faith.
This is Bible Truth without Maggi & spices.
Acts 9:3-9,19-20= Hebrews 13:7,17.



Acts 9: 3 -9,19-20 when Jesus Christ converted Paul, was Paul led & guided by the leaders of his faith ?

Paul's experience @ Acts 9:3-9,19-20 PROVEN in his writing of Hebrew 13:7,17 is NOT intelligent to FAITHLESS MISCREANTS.

Saidfx:
Please let's read with an open and unbiased mind


1. He is not the God

2. He is not a part of the Trinity. (Islam utterly and unequivocally rejects the doctrine of the Trinity.)

3. He is a prophet

4. He is one of the most important prophets

5. He came to warn about the overly legalistic understanding of the religion by the Jews

6. He is the Word of the God (the relevant verses: "O Mary! Allah giveth thee glad tidings of a Word from Him" and "We breathed into her (body) Our Spirit

7. He is born of Virgin Mary, who is considered the most holy woman among the mankind.

8. He was a carpenter or handyman

8b. He performed miracles (speaking as an infant, making a clay bird come alive, healing the blind and the lepers, etc.)

9. He was betrayed by one of his disciples

10. He was sentenced to death for his alleged crimes

11. He was not crucified in actuality. It was made to appear that he was crucified.

11b. He did not die (in the usual sense). Thus, he did not atone for our sins.

11c. There are also alternative exegeses of the related verses in the Quran about Jesus’ death, for they are open to different interpretations.

12. He was raised up to a heavenly realm

12b. He was not resurrected, because he did not die. However, he was raised up

13. He is still alive in some sense in that heavenly realm

14. He was/is the (promised) messiah

14b. He did not consider himself divine in the commonly understood sense, nor did his disciples.

14c. Early Christian theology (when Christianity movement is headed by James) and Islamic theology are more in common. Islam rejects the Pauline affirmations.

15. He will return back from the heavenly realm to ours at the end times

16. There will a fierce competition between the believers and the non-believers. In this struggle, non-believers, headed by the anti-Christ (Masih ad-Dajjal), will make significant headway initially. However, Mahdi, supported and strengthened by Jesus, will defeat the non-believers in this struggle.

17. Having been on the same side in the above struggle, Muslims and Christians will unite and have friendly relations. Good times will follow briefly on Earth before the end.

18. Jesus will correct the errors in current Christian understandings of him or his nature. Christianity will become similar to Islam. Both will unite in the sentence "There is no God but The God"

19. Jesus will die naturally (in his second coming), just like any other prophet of the God.

Thank you

MaxInDHouse:
Christ came because of SINNERS and he was never ashamed of them ever trusting in them that they can make the needed changes with God's help, that's why critics of his time labelled Jesus "Friend of sinners" Luke 7:34
So if anyone is ashamed of sinners he or she doesn't worth being a Christian!

Kobojunkie:
What prophets? Prophets were called directly by God in the Old Law of Moses. In the New Covenant, however, Jesus is the only Prophet sent from God. All others are Jesus Christ's servants/followers. So, any man who claims to be a prophet of God is a liar and a deceiver.

Jennyclay:
It’s a good deal.

I know this rice, it’s nice but it has some little stones/sand in it. If you want to prepare it, first of all parboil the rice, then you wash and filter it properly (like 6 times).

make sure the starch and stones are out totally. Excessive eating of rice mixed with stone could result to appendix issues, that’s why I don’t like these local rice .

Redhot111:
mugu. To every action there should be an equal and opposite reaction.

Redhot111:
Empty talks. You don't need permission to go after your brother's killers. After all the killers didn't get permission to kill ur monarch

AntiChristian:
Holy spirit liar!

MrPresident1:
Isaac is the father of the children of the Book - He has 12 sons
Ishmael is the father of the people of the Quran - He has 12 sons

Both Ishmael and Isaac are blessed. None of them is cursed

AntiChristian:
Show us where spirit told Muhammad to do such?

Holy spirit liars!

AntiChristian:
At least make you answer my question first! The Holy Spirit in you no get sense shi shi!

Sand2022:
Are you sure you read before you reply or you reply before reading? How is all these gaffe reply to this comment? Let me give you another try.





Poor. Total lack of understanding. Try again. Don't stress me. Go back and reread the point.



How does this affect the point I made?



If this is the best you can give, then it is better you go back to 'learn to read and write" brochure because you obviously don't understand sentences or you are deliberately pretending not to know.

Sometimes I deliberately ignore most of the rubbish you reply. But so that you don't think you said something, I chose to reply to this one. Guy you de far!

AntiChristian:
In Judges 15:14-16

As he approached Lehi, the Philistines came toward him shouting. The Spirit of the Lord came powerfully upon him. The ropes on his arms became like charred flax, and the bindings dropped from his hands. Finding a fresh jawbone of a donkey, he grabbed it and struck down a thousand men.

Then Samson said,

“With a donkey’s jawbone
I have made donkeys of them.
With a donkey’s jawbone
I have killed a thousand men.”

Background
Samson's girlfriend was given to his companion as wife. So he was vexed. He burnt the grains of the Philistines because of this. The Philistines who happens to be the ruling class came to request that Samson be capture and delivered to them from his people. He then allow his people to catch him and deliver him to the Philistine. As he was being delivered, the holy spirit came upon him, he broke loose and killed a thousand of them! Then Samson composed the above poem!

Sirtee15, it can't get more confusing regarding this your Holy Spirit!

Why is it that Samson is always killing whenever the holy Spirit enters him?
Why does the Holy spirit keep entering him if he doesn't want him to kill?

Emusan:
They are the one who will make dubious claims they will be the same people telling you to look for the evidence that support their claims. Very pathetic set of people!

Since Oga intelligent officer was exposed of those videos, you notice he couldn't talk again about the fraud of 607BC, he was so happy seeing @mightysparrow changing the subject matter with him

MaxInDHouse:
Just hold onto your own way jàre!

Courz:
During Rutherford's time, they used to teach that the door for more 144,000 members has closed. This was the reason why they came up with the Great Crowd teaching. To show how fraudulent the doctrine was, more and more JWs were becoming part of the 144,000 which will actually by now surpass that number. I don't think JWs truly sit down and think about their doctrines very well. When you lie, you don't think properly.

When they waited for Abraham and Co to appear and they didn't come, Rutherford quickly parked into the Beth Sarim Mansion. To be honest, that false prophecy was a hoax and a way for Rutherford to have a Mansion to himself. It was all a lie.

Watchtower is a laughing stock to be honest!