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chris365: exactly. you are ignorant of the fact. let's keep it that way since you are unwilling to learn.

I'm not being ignorant. Nigeria has never demonstrated whether it can develop quality and better performing weapons. That's not ignorance.

chris365: Because you are ignorant of that fact.

Purchasing weapons can be difficult during a war between powerful regional powers like Nigeria and South Africa. Defence industries will have to play a huge role in stuff like upgrading and maintains. A war of that scale would mean world powers will take sides like during the Biafran war. To stop both countries from fighting weapon sanctions can be applied starving both nations. This is where superior SA defence industry will became a game changer. South Africa can have proper fighting MBT between 3 to 7 years,well Nigeria...........................

chris365: So because we don't export means we don't manufacture in large quantity? I still doubt that you are a soldier.

The are a lot of reason why Nigeria doesn't export from producing weapons under license to producing weapons that are inferior to others in their class example being MRAPs. Producing is not important large or small,what's important is development of new systems and further developing old systems. 1. New designs 2. Quality 3.Politics 4.Fully Indigenous systems: This is the reason why South Africa has never managed to sell the Rooivalk.

GH^KWAME:
Really?hmmmmm.... Anyway, who do you think murdered the former intel chief of Rwanda in the SA. Hotel?

Yes. The Rwandan president Paul Kagame is responsible his opponents are getting murdered all over the continent or world from Nigeria,Uganda and South Africa.

agaugust: DICON manufactures tens of thousands of assault rifles, GPMG machine guns, bullet proof vests, Rocket Propelled Grenade Launchers, ammunitions/ordnance, and many hundreds of 81mm Mortar artillery and many hundreds of Amoured personnel Carriers especially STEYR 4K-7FA, they also up-armour and up-gun hundreds of Pinzgauer vehicles.

NIGERDOCK up-guns hundreds of nigerian navy gun boats including our stealth combat catamarans.

nigeria has grown bigger than most nigerians even know, so i dont blame a south african for being ignorant.



South African defence industry built only 12 units of Rooivalk helicopters with ZERO export numbers in 25 years, and you exported only 102 units of G6 artillery in 25 years. so how big is your large scale ? like China ?

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Weapons that were manufactured or designed during the Bush war weren't designed for sells but better performance. The Rooivalk gave birth to South Africa's aviation industry,SA manufactures many parts for planes across the world including the A400M and Typhoon fighter jet................How many MRAPS and Mine detecting vehicles were exported to western nations?..........To sell weapons like helicopters a country needs a political and military muscle,where competition is high. Nigeria is yet to develop an aviation industry.

agaugust: Nigeria too has many defence industries, DICON, AFIT, BADEH AEROSPACE, PROFORCE, NIGERDOCK, and several others

DENEL and ARMCOR themselves dont carry weapons and go to fight war or do they ? manufacturing companies are not soldiers. Lol !!!

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If needed SA engineers will man new weapons. They did so during the late phase of the boarder war in 88-89 with Ratel ZT3,when most soldiers never fired the Ingwe missile. South African companies are currently doing a lot of mine clearing in countries like Angola and the DRC.

agaugust: Aircraft electronic warfare too has developed , and Nigeria has the best in Africa with our ATR-42 Surveyor ruling the oceans of Africa from the air.

I wont repeat my post on the new ECM, ESM, and ECCM onboard nigerian air force ATR-42, just came back from Scotland with ELINT upgrade and NATO latest standard....like a mini AWACS, but south africa has NOTHING to challenge our ATR-42 mighty Surveyor in electronic warfare.

http://beegeagle./2013/12/03/nigerian-air-force-alenia-atr-42-500-mpa-surveyor-naf-931-now-a-more-advanced-special-mission-aircraft-undergoes-elint-upgrade-world-exclusive-photo/

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Nigeria has no ELINT or EW plane. The ATR-42MP which it operates is a maritime surveillance or patrol aircraft. NO MINI AWAC!!!! EW kit doesn't mean it is a EW or ELINT plane. That equipment is for surveillance and patrol,it can't kind be used to guide your fighters during a dog fight. South Africa has the two EW and ELINT air systems (helicopters and plane) Here's perfect description of that plane. .en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATR_42 Now here's the profile of Nigeria's air force no mention of a EW or ELINT plane here.en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigerian_Air_Force South Africa has this capability---»en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_African_Air_Force. Besides project saucepan is on,new maritime patrol planes will be bought.

chris365: Guy please just shut up already. Who told you Nigerian military does not service it's weapons andaterials? You are not in a Rambo movie you know!

Thats the problem we have with you south Africans. You are so ignorant and still believe only SA can do it all. Really myopic

You must have missed last year's Nigerian army day when army the army displayed it's artillery, tanks, APC's that were serviced by the army on home soil. (those equipments were deemed un serviceable before then)

The navy is expanding the dock yard to accommodate bigger ships. They have built ships. What makes you think they can't service and maintain them.

The airforce last year serviced about 10 (can't remember) alfa jets, F-7N1 and transport plane (C130) locally by air force engineers.

We also manufacture our light weapons, APC(igirigi and perforce), drones, bombs and grenades.

Stop being under the illusions that only SA has the capacity to maintain it's weapons.

I trully hope you pot belly generals and soldiers are not as dumb as you. Smh

Who helped Nigeria service her Alpha jets and C-130 planes?. I'm not saying Nigeria can't do a thing what I'm saying is WHAT NIGERIA DOES IN TERMS WEAPONS MANUFACTURE AND MAINTAINS SOUTH AFRICA DOES IT BETTER AND BIGGER.

agaugust: listen dumbo, all the missiles and guided bombs manufactured in south africa, can you fire them without imported European weapon platforms ?

fool

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agaugust: what i know well is the nightmare for you on page 806.... https://www.nairaland.com/415620/strongest-military-africa/806

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That page demonstrated your lack of knowledge about weapons. I mean where in history was a air to air missile tried against a surface target in the sea without modifications.

agaugust: Nigerian stealth warships Type 056 is still being built and the full weapons are not yet known or disclosed, last month i posted here big news from south african defenseweb and beegeagle that nigeria has changed our stealth warships radars from Chinese to British.

the final selection of weapons on board the nigerian stealth warships are still being worked out, and is classified information until concluded.

for now NNS ARADU Otomat missiles 180km range will sink any warship Valour or Squalor of south african navy.

http://beegeagle./2013/11/21/kelvin-hughes-tactical-navigation-and-situational-awareness-radars-selected-for-the-nigerian-navys-incoming-1800-ton-p18n-stealth-offshore-patrol-vessels-enlarged-derivative-of-the-type-056-corvet/

A corvette vessel is small and doesn't carry game charging weapons. Changing your Chinese radar is only normal cause China too relies on Europe for warship parts like engines and radar. And firing the Otomat missile will or never will guarantee a hit on the valour frigate cause it has many layers of protection from: stealth,EW jammers,modern radar,decoys,helicopter,modern SAM systems up to 16 or 32 umkhonto on each Frigate plus a close in weapon system which can put a wall of shells in front of any missile if detected and shred it into pieces..........................Besides a single old vessel can't or will never try to fight a modern stealth frigate escorted by a evasive diesel submarine.

agaugust: south african defence industry is only more advanced than nigeria in missiles, howitzer artillery, drones, and MRAPs.

nigerian defence industry has become more advanced than south africa in sea warfare because nigeria is building the first stealth warship built in africa now, along with our biggest naval ship building/dockyard in all africa.

for small arms, light armoured vehicles, spy equipment, we are almost equal as at now.

for advanced heavy weapons, both countries are importers NOT producers

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Actually you're wrong let state more what South Africa defence industry can do and Nigeria's enable to do 1. Missiles 2. UAV 3. UCAV 4. Smart bombs 5. MRAPS 6. Maintains 7. Repair: DCD marine facility in Cape town is the largest ship repair yard in Africa 8.Advanced 155mm and 105mm howitzer shells 9. Mine detecting vehicles 10. Overhaul aircraft maintains and development.............Transferred technology doesn't mean your industry is advanced. You can't develop systems on your own,which would mean you're advanced................Spy equipment? Nigeria has no single Electronic warfare or electronic intelligence dedicated aircraft developed or fitted in Nigeria. South Africa companies install EW kits for the most advanced air forces in the world.......................South Africa imports because it would be costly to develop new systems like fighter jets from nothing. To show we are capable any weapon foreign system is fitted with South African made weapons,avionics and EW kits from the valour frigates to the Gripen multi-role fighter jets. I can't say the Badger cause it will be built in SA.........Development takes time and is costly but if needed South Africa has shown that it can develop anything from fighters to tanks. We can't say the same with Nigeria.

agaugust: if a 3 feet short dwarf beats up a 6 feet tall man, the giant is a fool. simple.

Your analogy is childish. The hungry giant here doesn't have hands to fight two fast moving dwarfs. NO animal can fight with an empty stomach.

agaugust: i wont repeat page 806 posts. your Umkhonto missile has a very limited altitude of only 10km and CANNOT harm any nigerian F-7 jet or Alpha jet flying at 12km altitude. weapons fight based on their technical limitations not based on the wideness your basket mouth

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Flying at a altitude of 12km to target a stealth warship? Which has more than 50 decoys and other advanced EW kit?. Without any modern targeting pod like the lighting pod in SAAF's Gripens. Your F7 jet is a complete joke for a country like Nigeria to fly it as its main air superiority fighter.

agaugust: VBL and Cobra APC carries 20mm cannon, grenade launchers and fitted anti-armour weapons.

Mamba carries only a 12.7mm machine gun.

nigeria has over 500 Cobras and VBLs.

BTR-3U of nigeria is a modern world class IFV produced in year 2001

Ratel of south africa is an out-dated IFV to be replaced by Badger in year 2015, your Ratel was produced in year 1974

as at today, nigerian army has more modern heavy weapons than south african army.

google main heavy weapons of both countries and check their production dates, its unfortunate many nigerians dont even know we have a more modern army than south africa.

in the whole of Africa from Cape Town to Cairo, only Nigerian army has the combination of Cobra/VBL/BTR-3U modern armoured vehicles.

even mighty Egypt and strong Algeria DO NOT have that modern armoured vehicles combination of Nigeria, they only have more numbers of older and less advanced armoured vehicles.

people just have a wrong idea that everything south african is more advanced than other african country's equipment. i proved that wrong.


photos of Cobra APC....na who wan test mighty naija !

You're a fool to compare how vehicles are better than the other by what weapon systems they're mounting on their roof tops. Everything from the 20mm(different models are available),grenade launchers(Y3 grenade launcher) and ATGM(would be the Igwe missile in SA) can be mounted on the Mamba. Countries or armies choose that. Your BTR-3U is just a further development of existing technology,which South Africa has always been exposed to. Nigeria purchases old weapons that are further developed from the F7 jets,BTR-3Us to the type 90 AA guns ..... The South African army already has 5 prototypes of the Badger infantry vehicle.

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firstly, south african G7 artillery is NOT yet in service, it is in development process by DENEL until further notice. FACT !!

now read this, and dont ever make me repeat. this post in future, i hate unnecessary repetition, so open your blocked brain before you read.


[size=16pt]Hidden Truth About Nigerian Army Weapons....Unpublished Modernizations And Upgrades[/size]



beegeagle says:
April 7, 2013 at 4:17 pm


Deliveries of the Palmaria artillery, as was the case with Scorpion light tanks, modernised T55s and Vickers Eagle tanks continued until the early 2000 .

first time that I saw this Palmaria at October 1st Parade on TV, nigerian army said it could fire projectiles to a rocket-assisted 50km range.



You might not realise this but our Ministry Of Defense were involved in a £53 million tank and artillery deal with the UK around the 2003-2005 epoch. That artillery haul included the 48 units of Bofors FH-77B variant, after Shagari had ordered the initial 24 units of FH 77A .

It is clear that the outstanding performance of the weapon during the Indo-Pak Kargil War of 1999 probably engendered that leap of faith.


So depending on the time of delivery, some of these systems are more contemporary/current/modernized than others.


Take the Scorpion light tanks, a vehicle which was built to replace the world-famous Saladin AFV. The initial deliveries of Scorpion light tanks had 76mm main guns. The more recent deliveries post-1999 had 90mm guns.

it was also in the early 2000s that Messrs Marshpearl of Ireland came and upgrade 36 units of the fleet of 150 Scorpion light tanks in an in-country upgrade programme right at home in nigeria which also saw the upgrade of 14 units of T-55 tanks which belonged to the initial batch of 50 tanks. But 79 more units of T-55 entered service post-1999 and those are more modern variants.
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Even without these fifty units of Palmaria, Nigerian Army still retain a 2:1 edge in gunnery over the totality of ECOWAS+Chad+Cameroon.


http://beegeagle./2013/04/06/world-exclusive-oto-melara-palmaria-155mm-self-propelled-artillery-of-the-nigerian-army/


year 2000 modernized NATO standard nigerian palmaria artillery is equal to south african G6 Rhino artillery

https://www.creativecrash.com/system/photos/000/322/176/322176/big/Pal_1.jpg?1379627691


year 2005 latest version Swedish standard nigerian Bofors F-77 B artillery is the best artillery gun in the whole world, its details and sophistication is in the weblink and video below, anyone who still asks how nigerian artillery finds enemy targets, is a complete mad man who needs spiritual help


http://www.army-guide.com/eng/product2820.html


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaK1jFg8JBE


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Sorry but the fact is: The SANDF has already received the AMLAGC(G7 prototype). You want me to post pictures of it with the SANDF again!!!........NATO standards doesn't mean your palmaria is any close to the G6: We can compare its 1.Firing Range 2.Range 3. Performance in combat 4. How fit it is to the African environment(can it carry food and water for long distances without stopping to get supplies).....Don't even talk about T-55 tanks cause SA uses them for training and destroyed a lot in combat.....Your Bofors FH-77 can barely/match take on the G5 MK3 not bringing up the G5-2000.

agaugust: Ordinary Seleka 1965 vintage firepower intimidated south african army to leave CAR and never return again.

Your navy should have refused to leave Ivory Coast and wait for a visit by NNS ARADU's Otomat anti-ship missile with 180km super long range

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Your NNS Arandu would've been sunk by a torpedo.

homerac7: mr doofus, did Cuba produce the weapons they used in pounding you at your own backyard? Keep hating, olodo

Cuba and the soviet union lost a lot of equipment in Angola. Comparing the weapons used in Angola South African made weapons were superior to Russian made. SA is the cause why Russia started to develop its own HMD systems. How long did it take Nigeria to defeat Biafra? Which had a small army of 30 000 compared to Nigerian troops which numbered in their hundred thousands. Infect Biafra inflicted heavy loses on Nigeria..................Cuba and Angola received military aid from Russia.

homerac7: You SA guys amaze me with how you labour so hard to promote yourselves as eediots. It is funny how you never see anything good about Nigeria, yet you want your country to be respected. the latest being someone saying that in case of eventuality, SA will divert resources into war efforts and Nigeria won't be able to procure loans, isn't that a doltish thing to think or say ? The most resent resemblance of such situation with a foreign country was in 2003 just before the release of World Court judgement on Bakassi, when tension was high, Nigerian president requested for initial 50bn naita from National Assembly to start with which was speedily granted and told to forward a projection for subsequent requirements. Internal sources confirmed that ambassadors flooded Aso Rock that night along with arms manufacturers and dealers from their countries hoping to cut deals, also were lending bodies agents ! Guys, we know Nigeria is presently under-representing in most facets, but it can very fatal error to continue to reason about her as you SA guys have done so far. I sincerely hope that your government and military strategists don't reason like you guys.

Every country has its place. South Africa is above Nigeria. SA's defence industry has for long produced weapons with performance in mind first not towards international sells. That's why many weapons that were used in Angola are still being used today and highly effect example being the Husky vehicle. What I'm trying to tell you is that whether Nigeria purchases more advanced weapons without a defence industry to back your military in terms of servicing,maintains,further development of systems and repair. Your country will never be compared militarily to SA.

GH^KWAME:
That thing dey pain me pass ehn! I always feel humiliated for the Congolose people each time their info minister complains about Rwanda invading their territory on BBC! *looks at map between Congo and DRC again, shakes head*

My Africa brother maybe you read what happened towards the end of Mobuto sese seko's dictator in the DRC. It is not about size.

agaugust: our Bofors FH-77 has the same range and sophistication as your G6 artillery, and our Palmaria is a match for your G6 in most aspects.

Nigeria has 5 times more firepower support from our other 500 artillery guns. We go just roast your army like barbecue. Lol !!!

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The Bofors can match the G6? 1. It is not self propelled meaning its "shoot and scoot" tactics are limited. It crew is not protected against shrapnel in a counter battery situation by the G6. 2. It relies on gun tractors to pull it around the battlefield which can be easily located 3. Its targeting will be limited due to lack of drones,multi role fighter jets and advanced artillery observation systems............The SANDF has the G7 105mm howitzer+the G4 in its reserves. This guns are way advanced than any Nigerian light artillery. That palmaria has a range of 25km plus its mobility would limited in Desert or bush African environment. It will need tons of trucks in order for it to keep up with motorised infantry and tanks. OUTCLASSED.............Mechanised SANDF troops always fight under the watchful eye of the Rooivalk. And constant reccon and bombing by the Hawks and Gripens

agaugust: If south africa buys more weapons with your usual bank loans, what do you think nigeria will buy ? potatoes and eggs ?

Nigeria won't buy anything. Remember it is 2014 training A-Darter missiles might be getting delivered to the SAAF as we speak. TOTAL AIR SUPERIORITY OVER NIGERIA.

Henry120: You have to take into account cost of MRAPs in relation to the budgets of these countries. How about the fact that MRAP's are diesel intensive and are not cost effective to run.

Ofcourse the leopard ACB cannot handle RPG fire, but it provides considerable protection and speed at least 1/7 the cost of traditional MRAP's.

"People" are saying it is a Bazooka like rocket. South Africa develops or has developed light armoured vehicles which are cheap. Besides poor countries can negotiate with countries like SA to sell them ex-SADF vehicles. Even the Buffel can be effective in GPMG protection. Even with MRAPS ambushes are ambushes like one who was close to Colonel Ndala said:"It is called ambush because you're less if not prepared against it".

agaugust: old and second hand equipment like Cobra, VBL, BTR-3U, ATR-42 Surveyor, PL-9C missiles, Bofors Artillery, Sandcat MRAP, Stealth warships Type 056, Shaldag super gun boats, spy satellites, spy balloons, Mi-35 Hind....Lol !!!

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Mamba is better than the Cobra and the VBL. The Ratel is better than the BTR-3U in the African environment,it can even carry water for long "trips". The MI-35 hind is not any close to the super hind(Not operated by the SANDF) and Rooivalk. Bofors 48 vs G5 75 the same class but which army can find targets?.....Nigeria has no stealth vessel the small corvette vessels currently being built won't have larger space to fit deadly weapons. And won't measured up against the valour frigatse.

agaugust: did Kabila have only 3 men as escorts too ?

if so, then all Congolese are fools. no wonder tiny Rwanda is oppressing them . Lol !!!

No,neither did Mamadou. Some of his men were rushed to hospital with the "technicals" in his convoy,before the video was taken. His vehicle singled out: strike by rocket followed by automatic weapons. People who spoke to his bodyguard say the claim the rocket came from the right and the attackers wore old FARDC uniforms. The people who assassinated him had some good intel.

agaugust: South African artillery is all obsolete excluding the G6...only 46 units. Lol !!!

The G6 is the G5 on a OMC chassis. The G5 is not obsolete cause Denel constantly develops it. The G7 is obsolete? It is Better than all Nigerian howitzers.

agaugust: Uganda threatens to attack South Sudan coup plotter/rebels unless they agree to cease fire and peace talks in Ethiopia.

Na waah o, Africa dey change, even Uganda now dey get mouth threaten another person because them buy SU-30 Jets. power sweet o !

me too fit buy one SU-30 jet and begin ask all the fine girls to come line up in front of my house...oops my new year resolution in church !

okay i wont do it.

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My African brother Ugandan troops are rumoured to protecting Juba. While some military journalists claim those planes bombed targets in South Sudan. The "white army" would beg for mercy if Kenyan attack helos would be deployed.

agaugust: does Congo DRC president drive around in light skinned vehicles ?

african leaders just can be so selfish.

with all their diamonds, the second richest country in africa cannot buy one single MRAP for their hero to move around safely.

even madam Odua has 2 armoured cars worth =N= 240 million to cruise around in abuja (no be me talk am o !)

may we not be used as cannon fodder by our african leaders. i weep for my continent, black man na waah o !

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Yes, Kabila drove to Goma about two or one month ago in a light toyota land cruiser. LOL it even got stuck at along the way,many Rwandan journalists made fun for the situation which was captured on camera. Photos of the stuck vehicle in pool dirty water+mud were spread on Twitter...........The car was hit by a rocket,even a MRAP wouldn't have survived. I don't think he would've accepted to drive around in a MRAP by way,Mamadou Ndala was always with his men exposed to the dangers they were exposed to too.

agaugust: ....because your Army Labour Union was afraid to die, they just want monthly salary . Lol !!!

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SANDU backs the army regardless of the mission. Currently most of their leadership is silenced and can't talk nor comment anything about SANDF missions.

agaugust: listen dude, artillery gun barrel life span is not counted by months, it is counted by number of shells fired. many modern guns can fire 2,000 artillery shells before the barrel wears out for replacement.

Nigeria has 48 modern Bofors and 49 modern Palmaria, about 100 modern artillery guns, plus about 560 older guns, we have about 660 artillery guns.

South Africa has 75 modern G5 and 46 modern G6, but that is all, you have about 120 artillery guns.

In an artillery exchange of fire, Nigeria has 5 times the firepower of South Africa, and artillery battle is all about firepower, out-gun your enemy.

Nigeria will fire so much that South Africa will run, because we can do shower shells on you like say na rain dey fall o !

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It depends on what range you're firing those shells. Firing at maximum range will cause any howitzer to require constant maintains(barrels changes and stuff). 120mm are classified as artillery not an infantry weapon,and you didn't add that the SA artillery. The SANDF also has the G7 105mm prototype in unknown numbers. ........1. Regarding your artillery the only threat would be the Bofors. The Palmaria can't exchange shells with the G6,which beats the Palmaria in a wider range. 2. Is target fixation which army has better targeting systems. Nigeria doesn't have an answer to the Vulture drone,the only drones Nigeria have need airstrips which in Africa are hard to defend. Also Nigeria doesn't an answer to the Ratel EAOs. 3. Air power or superiority in Libya we saw images of destroyed palmaria howitzers. Without any advanced jet to keep any fighters away from your positions your army will be fried. 4.Constant supplies of advanced shells like Denel's V-LAP round....................Nigerian artillery is obsolete excluding the bofors.

agaugust: Ranking is based on equipment, manpower, war history/battlefield experience/combat records, and economy/finance.

Ethiopia is better than South Africa in all those points except economy/finance, but they have a big defence budget to focus on army and air force because they have no navy. South African navy had to borrow money from a bank to buy submarines, your navy alone is eating up your defence budget really bad.

that is where Ethiopia saves money and spends on its huge army with thousands of anti-tank guided missiles.

South Africa wont last long fighting Ethiopia, they will wipe out your armoured vehicles and surround your tiny army within some days.

the weak point of South African military is that your tiny, inexperienced, fat, over-paid, illiterate, and cowardly army that has never won any war

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1. Equipment what equipment will Ethiopia field that SA won't have an answer to?...Our engineers from the defence industry can be sent the front lines? 2. Manpower needs vehicles and helicopters to move soldiers around the battlefield. How well are Ethiopian vehicles and helicopter serviced. 3. Combat experienced of Ethiopia? Tiny nation of Eritrea always proved to be too much for them. 4. Defence budget: If your soldiers are not paid morale will be low and ill discipline will find it place ..........If any country threatened to invade SA. Seen war is inevitable the SA government will channel funds to the SANDF. 1.A Massive recruitment will begin 2. Defence projects will deliver weapons quick as funds will be available. 3. Offensive weapons for the Gripens and Frigates will be delivered from torpedoes to cruise missiles 4. Within a month or 2 of declaring a war against SA,SANDF vehicles(MRAPS,armoured fighting vehicles and IFV) will number around 5000.........From the reserves equipment like G4 155mm howitzer will be back in service........South African can stop any army in sub-Saharan Africa and keep it busy for 6 months. To bring game changing weapons like the G7 howitzer to battlefield in numbers.....If that failed illegal chemical weapons and cluster munitions will be used.

agaugust: You should have waited there and let NNS Thunder strike your soweto warship.

The only powerful navy in ECOWAS is nigeria's and that is what south africa was truly afraid of in Ivory Coast.

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Retaliation would've leaved the Nigeria navy without much needed vessels. Cause we clearly don't know whether that ship was escorted by a submarine or what. In open sea the Nigerian navy can't defeated the South Africans'. They clearly can't fight evasive submarines plus stealth frigates. Speaking about navies I think it is safe to say the South African navy or the SANDF is in a defensive position. If threats are ever made against SA the frigates would be armed with cruise missiles and the gun will be replaced. For the past decade or so the SANDF has purchasing weapons that seem defensive.