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ehie: i WONDER WHAT John the Baptist would have called your Daddy,or wasnt John the Baptist a man of God,eating locusts and honey,living in the desert,Jesus had no assest that i know of,no horse,no house,no silk robes,what he had he made sure his discples and the crowd following him ate,if he ate bread,they ate bread.

Was John the baptist crucified on the cross or did he die for our sins ? Was Jesus in the bush eating locust and wild honey ?
Christ said if you believe in HIM you will do exceedingly greater things than HE did ? Peter and other disciples were busy preaching to the Jews but Paul the Apostle said he was inspired by God to preach to EVEN the gentiles !
Each man with his own revelation but it must never contradict the word of God.If it does,then it's not from God !
God bless us !

duni04: I really don't understand why anyone would stand up in defence of these 'Pastors'. Does it surprise you that the same person preaching this kind of message about sowing in dollars is also the same person cruising in a Gulf stream Private jet? These pastors are using the name of the church and the name of God to coax people into surrendering their hard earned money. The definition of Fraud is collecting money under false pretence.

No ! I dnt see any false pretence regarding collecting money here !All i see is a pastor telling us how it is SCRIPTURALLY using the things we can see,feel and understand to bring out the word on the surface ! By the special grace of God,i am a bible student ! Not unto the letter but the spirit behind the spoken word ! I hav disagreed with the man of God on one occasion but that does not made me to stop listening to him. He can't be a perfect bein neither am i one.And even the ground i disagreed with him was becos i am yet to see that particular stand where it is written in the bible.Who knows he might even be right on that one !
The only time i will say to a man of God that he is wrong is when i dnt find his actions in the holy bible as supported by the new covenant !

May God help us and bless us all !

rusher14: Ok. Please tell me how God judges. Is it with pestilence or through man (jail sentence, say) or at the gates of heaven or hell when we all are no more?

My friend,it is not in the nature of God to wish anyman hell for God is love ! But the bible made us understand also that he is Jealous and a consuming fire ! Nevertheless,if he does not love rogues,ritualists,thieves,HE wouldn't had died for us ! The thing is that he hates the sin 'we'live in.Heaven is real and hell is also real.
If you murdered someone and got turned in by the police,and the court passes a death sentence on you,will the heavens say to your spirit welcome my son for killing some one ?You will equally be judged in the great beyond.You can be judged either wrongly or rightly here on earth and that does not mean you will not be judged by God-''For it is appointed unto man to die once and after that,JUDGEMENT !
God bless us

Maxymilliano: Bros, hard as o try to reason with you on what you quoted above, does the church reject whatever money sowed into its kitty? Pastor Adeboye can say anything but is the church scrutinizing and turning down money from such illicit sources or is it not the same money they go ahead to re-invest and tell us God is good?

What kind of scrutiny do you want again having said that any ill gotten wealth will not be accepted before God ? That does not mean that the church will mount a block around offering baskets asking people where they get their money before they drop it.God is God ! He said all things belongs to him and if you bring the stolen one,it will be put into use without the sower geting anything in return.When you sow ill gotten wealth,to u,it profit's nothing but to the church of God,positive things will still be going on with or without your ill gotten wealth.
No man can bribe God !The principles of sowing and reaping is for believers and not for un-believers !
I tell people around me who are yet to get born again that there is no short cut to heaven neither is there short cut to receiving heavenly rewards or benefits.All gainful Godly instruction are for the children of God and there are instruction also meant for disobedient children.
God bless us

rusher14: Yes, if you are in Lagos, PH or Abuja. Look at the crowd in agenebode, oturkpo, or even damaturu.
How is Jesu oyingbo, rev dr. King and sign fireman different from these MOG's.

Even if all these people you typed their names are heading to hell,should you go with them ? The answer is No. If Jesus of Oyingbo is claiming to be Christ,am not suprised cos it is scriptural.If Rev.King claims to be a prophet that he is not,the bible says on the last days,there shall be so many of them but never asked me to insult or abuse them when i see them. For fireman,i dnt know his offence.
All am saying is we should stop hating,abusing and cursing !

PalmTree: What if HE expressed disappointment in us for being so gullible that we were constantly falling for con men despite all the teachings that was available in the bible? You wouldn't want GOD to be disappointed now, would you?

I love this write up !
He said we should guard our heart diligently ! If am ignorant concerning the word of God,i may think that am right when i see Godly issues on threads like this one.The knowledge of the word helps you to discern the truth and true men of God.And the holy spirit helps to stay clear from them and also,does not and will never encourage you to hate,curse,fight or contradict the word of God becos you discovered some CONE traits in some one or his word.When ever you see yourself doing that,then it can be d spirit leading you.God will not kill you becos you gave your tithe to ''GOD''assuming though and it's bein put into greedy use-NO.You only obeyed the word of God and not the man of God. Allow God deal with him there above. But if you dnt give still,you will still make heaven if you are a born again christian !
God bless us

o9999: We are CHRISTians which means CHRIST LIKE,

Put in this contest, what would CHRIST HAVE DONE?
I tought that Christ preached that we should give to those who have no capacity to give back and given with a good mind (not expecting repayment)? if i am already sowing seed in anticipation for something else, does it still follow this principle?

Christ had it all, BUT POSSESSED NOTHING!!!!!!!
let us remember that in alll our lives, doings, thinking etc.

For those of us that always stick to - talk not about men of God, Let God judge them himselve, THey are God's annoited so you should live them alone etc.
IS that WHOLELY what the bible and CHRIST tought us Was David not God's annointed? yet he was judged, caution etc by a man, The disciples /apostles in the new testament, did we not record of corrections / admonitions they received? or is it recorded that they waited for judgement day for God?

Forget not that the person may just not know what he/she is doing, but your word of correction MAY (i repeat, may) just help save/correct the person.

Finally, i pray tell, whose words do you hang on to? WORD of GOD or Word of MEN of GOD
For he said, before you were born, i knew you by name, i know the number of hair on your body.

If he (GOD) can look after the wild animals, plants etc, He will give u WHAT U NEED!!

Remember the guy that was born blind? when the apostles asked - whose sin it was, Jesus replied, nobody, it s for the will/ power of God to be shown.
Now if that man was of this generation, he will be made to feel he hasnt given God enough, thats why his blindness is not cured. Is that christianity?

The bible is a complete book but i have just learnt that christianity shouldn't be about theological debate or explanation.Let every man hear the word and grow in the word with the help of the holy spirit.The word of God can not change but the preaching pattern and understanding may differ as the spirit leads ! When christ said that if i believe in him i will do the works that he did and do EVEN GREATER WORKS ! I here people say today that they don't believe in miracles yet they claim they are christians. SALVATION and the things of the spirit appeals to one as he sees it. Saul the Sanhedrin thot he was fighting for God untill Christ appeared to him and he discovered that he has bein fighting against God all along.
Let's work out our own salvation -Let people see your christ in YOU and not in your(their) MAN OF GOD !
God bless us

rusher14: That can only happen if they are indeed MOGs. I have serious doubts about that.

We don't know yet ! God knows.They did not come themselves men of the people BUT OF GOD ! Let God be the judge !

PalmTree: What if the reverse is the case

Then we will thank God that we all made it atlast.

[quote author=A-ZeD]Going by your explanation, then you should not call our politicians greedy afterall you don't know if they are called by "God".[/quote]I never said that when you observe the greed of someone you can't say the person is greedy. Ofcourse you can cos it's an observation.But you might be wrong you know ! That's by the way,all am saying is we should not abuse them by using some obscene words which will not be tolerated by these politicians or even be accepted by God.There are things you say even if you are right,that would will be used against you. Do it subly and above all,pray for them if you think they are violating the word of God.
My style,if you do something i know can't be traced to the scriptures directly or indirectly,i try to correct you using the scripture but if it's scritural but not yet clear to me,i decide to keep mute and pray for myself and the party or parties involved regarding that issue.
Dnt HATE,CURSE OR ABUSE !For if we do without genuine repentance and asking for forgiveness there after,we will face a consequence that we won't like for sure.
God bless us

[quote author=A-ZeD]All this don't talk anyhow about men of God... Can someone please tell me who a man of God is? Is it one who does the will of God or one who gives himself a title(Rev, Pastor)?[/quote]A man of God is like a Shepherd who tends the flocks.He or she dedicates time just to hear from God and pleases God as well.Having heard from God,he also act as a teacher or preacher of the word.
''So Christ himself gave the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the pastors and teachers, 12 to equip his people for works of service, so that the body of Christ may be built up 13 until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God and become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ. Ephesians 4:11-13
So it is not wrong to call one a pastor.A 'PASTOR' does the will of God and does not live in sin.But can stil mistakenly fall into sin becos he is human but does not live in sin !
PLS DNT ABUSE OR CURSE THEM NO MATTER WHAT ! I am not a pastor but if you curse or abuse me,u will face the wrath of God unless you ask for forgiveness and repent !

rusher14: Yes so the church might be rich but the congregation poverty stricken.

I DNT UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU MEAN BY POVERTY STRICKEN !
I attend these churches of God and i see people there both the regenerated and non regenerated most come in flashy cars still we call them poverty stricken ! Well,no one is saying owning a car or other properties will take one to heaven.But what i know and believe is that it is still very posible to be rich and still make heaven and if i fall or grow in love with my wealth or riches,then am doomed here on earth and in the life after.
Stop hating what is genuine.Just ask God to help u understand spiritual things !

PortHarcourtBoy: In China, warehouses are used for manufacturing.......

In Naija, warehouses are used as churches.......

Yes it is good to advance the kingdom of God !

Maxymilliano: To the posters calling some of us ignorant for reading the post with carnal minds, how do you guys feel each time the church is mentioned in corruption cases? May be the import of this type of message is yet to be dawn on you, 2 churches in Delta State was mentioned recently by EFCC to be beneficiaries of corrupt tendencies and financial malpractices perpetrated by the former MD of Bank PHB.

Another church in Oregun area of Lagos sometimes ago play host to officials of NDLEA when an arrested drug trafficker claimed to have sowed part of the proceeds he made from drug trafficking to the church. This two scenarios will continue to be witnessed in the Christendom if this type of message by Adeboye is allowed to go unchallenged.

This was not his first message.If you care to follow his message you will understand that drug traffickers and other people who's wealth are ill gotten dnt give in Redeem.Reason is becos he will always tell you dat if you are not born again and contribute to the work of God,you do that in vain,for nothing.He does not encourage even liars to give.He will tell you that if you gossip at all and give in anything other than ur life to God is a mere waste of resources and time.
Pls talk but dnt insult or abuse if you are a true christian !

What happens when we get to heaven and find the men of God we hate and abuse there even willing to welcome us just like Jesus will do to some of us here ?
The main point should be working out your own salvation !
If you must contribute to a thread,don't curse people please.
There are agents of satan here on this site,do not allow them draw you to their father the devil.
For the un-repentant on this site,pls accept Jesus today and seek the presence of the holy spirit in ur life.
STOP CURSING AND USING ABUSIVE WORDS !
None of us here can help God.
Mind you with all the hate words used and stil ongoing against the Roman Catholic Church from centuries back till date regarding how they worship mary and the use of non biblical doctrines and others,did it make any change ?That is how it is .It's only God that can change things expecially spiritual things.
Be careful friends !

brokoto: how many times will you post this thing? it is when people dispute whatever your revered MOG saya you'll now come here and tell us that it is a spiritual message that carnal minds cant understand. my own take in this matter is simple, if you want wealth you should work hard and work smart whether you believe in God or not. your reason for serving God should not be to gain material benefits, it should out of love and the desire to make paradise. give out your own free will whatever is most comfortable for you not out of compulsion, threat, promises or because you want money doubling. . .

Knowing the truth is what i seek my friend ! I only want us to see that it isn't out of place scripturally to sow and reap. If you choose to work hard and smart to earn a living and praise yourself for your hard and smart work leaving God out of it,it's left for you. But i have chosen to work,pray,pray and sow as if i have got no need of the seed i sow,all to the glory of God.
''The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.''1 Corinthians 2:14

It is difficult for canal minds to understand spiritual things for it takes a fool to please God !
See the story of GOD,Abraham and Isaac on the Journey to Mount Moriah !

rusher14: You may feel disheartened but this is the information age plus this act of people expecting rewards for little effort as preached by the modern day MOG borders on criminality and should be a regarded as a burning issue.
Of course some might differ but we need to discuss this and so front page it is on NL.

It's good to discuss it but shouldn't do it in a negative sense.The devil wan't s us to be divided every now and then regarding the things of God.But if what some of these preachers say and do are in line with scriptures,let's not abuse them.Even if they err,let's not curse them or fight them for the battle is of the lord.Remember they are humans and not CHRIST.When we contribute to issues,let's do it scripturally. I know the bible never asked us to sin just becos some body may or a man of God erred! Guard your heart jealously and also control your tongues for it habours life and death !

dabriggs: Let me even ask. Howmany of the early christians gave because they wanted "Double Portion of Blessing"? They gave and out of love, never expecting returns.
How many of the Appostles taught that sowing seeds in dollars or denari or gold coins or silver coins will give you blessings in denari and gold coins?

However I am waiting for people to justify his principle, even quoting from the scriptures and interpreting it to suit their notions.

These are kingdom messages.It will for sure be difficult to understand when you look at it carnally or trying to use the earthly wisdom.There are people who stay in church all their life or have a good relationship with God but scarcely receive financial blessings from God.
The kingdom is tied to principles and it takes the grace of God to identify those kingdom principles.Another grace to hear or be among men of God who teach this kingdom principles and a greater grace to adhere to those kingdom principles.
PST.Adeboye who has always maintained a biblical stands on issues all along has now tried to bring the word of God to the levels that even a lay man will understand and adhere to with the help of the power of the holy spirit and will have no reason to be tied down financially.

Hear instruction and be wise, and do not neglect it.-Proverbs 8:33.

For some of us here,we may see it as scam,some will see it as the word of God and will tap into it and you see them moving up the FINANCIAL LADDER while their SALVATION is still not threatened. -Luke 6:38''give, and it will be given to you. Good measure, pressed down, shaken together, running over, will be put into your lap. For with the measure you use it will be measured back to you'' He used this scripture in teaching financial upliftment.He has also used this scripture to teach love.In the area of finance,he is saying that what you give is what you get.
(1 Corinthians 9:11If we have sown spiritual seed among you, is it too much if we reap material benefits from you?)This was the exact saying of apostle paul to the corinthians regarding men of God receiving from the church members or people who listen to their messages.But i know ofcourse if pastors start to speak this way people might say they are being greedy and scamers.
But regarding whether it is proper to teach seed sowing so as to receive from God,let's see the following scriptures:

''The point is this: whoever sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and whoever sows bountifully will also reap bountifully.-2 Corinthians 9:6
''Do not be deceived: God is not mocked, for whatever one sows, that will he also reap.-Galatians 6:7
''In the morning sow your seed, and at evening withhold not your hand, for you do not know which will prosper, this or that, or whether both alike will be good-Ecclessiastes 11:6
''And Isaac sowed in that land and reaped in the same year a hundredfold. The Lord blessed him,Gen.26:12
''One gives freely, yet grows all the richer; another withholds what he should give, and only suffers want. Whoever brings blessing will be enriched, and one who waters will himself be watered.-Proverbs 11:24-25
''While the earth remains, seed time and harvest, cold and heat, summer and winter, day and night, shall not cease.-Gen 8:22
''He who supplies seed to the sower and bread for food will supply and multiply your seed for sowing and increase the harvest of your righteousness.-2CORINTHIANS 9:10
''They sow fields and plant vineyards and get a fruitful yield.-Psalm 107:37
''Truly, truly, I say to you, unless a grain of wheat falls into the earth and dies, it remains alone; but if it dies, it bears much fruit. .-John 12:24
Well going by the above,i think there is nothing wrong bringing out all that matters in the holy scriptures regarding wealth building. Pst.Adeboye only came down for all to understand so as not to deprive anyone from receiving that which God has made available for his children.I have read about Pst Adeboye saying that if you are an unbeliever and tithe or sow seeds or even bring offerings unto God,you are wasting your time according to the scriptures.
Having said all these,i think there is absolutely nothing wrong teaching seed sowing in any way you like.Just give and you will receive.If you give SHEKELS,you will receive SHEKELS.If you give NAIRA you will receive NAIRA.If you give DOLLARS,u will receive DOLLARS.If you give EURO,you will receive EURO.If you give pounds,you will receive POUNDS.If you DON'T give,you WILL NOT receive.If you give and dnt believe you will receive,you will not receive.If you dnt give at all,you will not receive at all.
BUT NOTE;YOU CAN RECEIVE FROM DEVIL BUT YOU DNT HAVE TO GIVE TO GOD or MAN to receive from the devil.
God bless us.

rusher14: So it's best to justify the acts of charlatans wit dubious businessmen?
You do also realize that they contribute in their own little ways to the minuscule GDP of this failure of a nation?
I fear the problem with Nigerians nay the black race is the reluctance to think and a lack of contentment.
We as a people can do better than this but we need to conciously make an effort to escape this quagmire.
The way is to educate ourselves, the Bible is a template but there are many manuals for success: books on computer programming, flower decoration, medicine and the likes.
A re-education and knowing that the Lord is kinder than your earthly father and he would never ask you to give Him before providing for you.
He would expect charity from you cause there are less fortunate people than you (see Deuteronomy 14 vs 22-29) that is the tithe not something you pay as tax to an individual who in turn tells makes you pay premium charges for facilities you provided money to contrive.
Nigerians wake up. THINK.
Devotees of other religions prosper as well and the reason is simple; they work hard and so succes is guaranteed. What cannnot be guaranteed is the measure of success. Here I preach prosperity to be good health and contentment.
THINK MY PEOPLE!!!

These are kingdom messages.It will for sure be difficult to understand when you look at it carnally or trying to use the earthly wisdom.There are people who stay in church all their life or have a good relationship with God but scarcely receive financial blessings from God.
The kingdom is tied to principles and it takes the grace of God to identify those kingdom principles.Another grace to hear or be among men of God who teach this kingdom principles and a greater grace to adhere to those kingdom principles.
PST.Adeboye who has always maintained a biblical stands on issues all along has now tried to bring the word of God to the levels that even a lay man will understand and adhere to with the help of the power of the holy spirit and will have no reason to be tied down financially.

Hear instruction and be wise, and do not neglect it.-Proverbs 8:33.

For some of us here,we may see it as scam,some will see it as the word of God and will tap into it and you see them moving up the FINANCIAL LADDER while their SALVATION is still not threatened. -Luke 6:38''give, and it will be given to you. Good measure, pressed down, shaken together, running over, will be put into your lap. For with the measure you use it will be measured back to you'' He used this scripture in teaching financial upliftment.He has also used this scripture to teach love.In the area of finance,he is saying that what you give is what you get.
(1 Corinthians 9:11If we have sown spiritual seed among you, is it too much if we reap material benefits from you?)This was the exact saying of apostle paul to the corinthians regarding men of God receiving from the church members or people who listen to their messages.But i know ofcourse if pastors start to speak this way people might say they are being greedy and scamers.
But regarding whether it is proper to teach seed sowing so as to receive from God,let's see the following scriptures:

''The point is this: whoever sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and whoever sows bountifully will also reap bountifully.-2 Corinthians 9:6
''Do not be deceived: God is not mocked, for whatever one sows, that will he also reap.-Galatians 6:7
''In the morning sow your seed, and at evening withhold not your hand, for you do not know which will prosper, this or that, or whether both alike will be good-Ecclessiastes 11:6
''And Isaac sowed in that land and reaped in the same year a hundredfold. The Lord blessed him,Gen.26:12
''One gives freely, yet grows all the richer; another withholds what he should give, and only suffers want. Whoever brings blessing will be enriched, and one who waters will himself be watered.-Proverbs 11:24-25
''While the earth remains, seed time and harvest, cold and heat, summer and winter, day and night, shall not cease.-Gen 8:22
''He who supplies seed to the sower and bread for food will supply and multiply your seed for sowing and increase the harvest of your righteousness.-2CORINTHIANS 9:10
''They sow fields and plant vineyards and get a fruitful yield.-Psalm 107:37
''Truly, truly, I say to you, unless a grain of wheat falls into the earth and dies, it remains alone; but if it dies, it bears much fruit. .-John 12:24
Well going by the above,i think there is nothing wrong bringing out all that matters in the holy scriptures regarding wealth building. Pst.Adeboye only came down for all to understand so as not to deprive anyone from receiving that which God has made available for his children.I have read about Pst Adeboye saying that if you are an unbeliever and tithe or sow seeds or even bring offerings unto God,you are wasting your time according to the scriptures.
Having said all these,i think there is absolutely nothing wrong teaching seed sowing in any way you like.Just give and you will receive.If you give SHEKELS,you will receive SHEKELS.If you give NAIRA you will receive NAIRA.If you give DOLLARS,u will receive DOLLARS.If you give EURO,you will receive EURO.If you give pounds,you will receive POUNDS.If you DON'T give,you WILL NOT receive.If you give and dnt believe you will receive,you will not receive.If you dnt give at all,you will not receive at all.
BUT NOTE;YOU CAN RECEIVE FROM DEVIL BUT YOU DNT HAVE TO GIVE TO GOD or MAN to receive from the devil.
God bless us.

Autotrader1: I am not a regular contributor on Nairaland but am always amazed how people read things absolutely out of context. For those who don't know, open heavens is a daily devotional with 365 entries. I think it's a little irresponsible to take one entry out of that 365 and use that to pronounce judgement on this man. Secondly, the op convinently left out the bible passage and Key point of this devotional.

I see Nigerians always like to come accross as knowledgable but am always surprised to see that we can't read a simple piece and put it into context. I will expect a resonable person to first go back and read the full text of this piece, try to understand where the man is coming from, then disagree with him. Did it occur to any of you hauling insults at this man that he was talking about sowing and reaping and I did't see anywhere in the piece where it says you should sow to a church.

And one last question, is it just me...I noticed that negative news/post about christianity makes it very fast to the frontpage on Nairaland?

I have noticed that as well.And the devil is happy.But no reason to fight. Becos the word of God isn't ours but God.He will change them for good.

Autotrader1: I am not a regular contributor on Nairaland but am always amazed how people read things absolutely out of context. For those who don't know, open heavens is a daily devotional with 365 entries. I think it's a little irresponsible to take one entry out of that 365 and use that to pronounce judgement on this man. Secondly, the op convinently left out the bible passage and Key point of this devotional.

I see Nigerians always like to come accross as knowledgable but am always surprised to see that we can't read a simple piece and put it into context. I will expect a resonable person to first go back and read the full text of this piece, try to understand where the man is coming from, then disagree with him. Did it occur to any of you hauling insults at this man that he was talking about sowing and reaping and I did't see anywhere in the piece where it says you should sow to a church.

And one last question, is it just me...I noticed that negative news/post about christianity makes it very fast to the frontpage on Nairaland?

These are kingdom messages.It will for sure be difficult to understand when you look at it carnally or trying to use the earthly wisdom.There are people who stay in church all their life or have a good relationship with God but scarcely receive financial blessings from God.
The kingdom is tied to principles and it takes the grace of God to identify those kingdom principles.Another grace to hear or be among men of God who teach this kingdom principles and a greater grace to adhere to those kingdom principles.
PST.Adeboye who has always maintained a biblical stands on issues all along has now tried to bring the word of God to the levels that even a lay man will understand and adhere to with the help of the power of the holy spirit and will have no reason to be tied down financially.

Hear instruction and be wise, and do not neglect it.-Proverbs 8:33.

For some of us here,we may see it as scam,some will see it as the word of God and will tap into it and you see them moving up the FINANCIAL LADDER while their SALVATION is still not threatened. -Luke 6:38''give, and it will be given to you. Good measure, pressed down, shaken together, running over, will be put into your lap. For with the measure you use it will be measured back to you'' He used this scripture in teaching financial upliftment.He has also used this scripture to teach love.In the area of finance,he is saying that what you give is what you get.
(1 Corinthians 9:11If we have sown spiritual seed among you, is it too much if we reap material benefits from you?)This was the exact saying of apostle paul to the corinthians regarding men of God receiving from the church members or people who listen to their messages.But i know ofcourse if pastors start to speak this way people might say they are being greedy and scamers.
But regarding whether it is proper to teach seed sowing so as to receive from God,let's see the following scriptures:

''The point is this: whoever sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and whoever sows bountifully will also reap bountifully.-2 Corinthians 9:6
''Do not be deceived: God is not mocked, for whatever one sows, that will he also reap.-Galatians 6:7
''In the morning sow your seed, and at evening withhold not your hand, for you do not know which will prosper, this or that, or whether both alike will be good-Ecclessiastes 11:6
''And Isaac sowed in that land and reaped in the same year a hundredfold. The Lord blessed him,Gen.26:12
''One gives freely, yet grows all the richer; another withholds what he should give, and only suffers want. Whoever brings blessing will be enriched, and one who waters will himself be watered.-Proverbs 11:24-25
''While the earth remains, seed time and harvest, cold and heat, summer and winter, day and night, shall not cease.-Gen 8:22
''He who supplies seed to the sower and bread for food will supply and multiply your seed for sowing and increase the harvest of your righteousness.-2CORINTHIANS 9:10
''They sow fields and plant vineyards and get a fruitful yield.-Psalm 107:37
''Truly, truly, I say to you, unless a grain of wheat falls into the earth and dies, it remains alone; but if it dies, it bears much fruit. .-John 12:24
Well going by the above,i think there is nothing wrong bringing out all that matters in the holy scriptures regarding wealth building. Pst.Adeboye only came down for all to understand so as not to deprive anyone from receiving that which God has made available for his children.I have read about Pst Adeboye saying that if you are an unbeliever and tithe or sow seeds or even bring offerings unto God,you are wasting your time according to the scriptures.
Having said all these,i think there is absolutely nothing wrong teaching seed sowing in any way you like.Just give and you will receive.If you give SHEKELS,you will receive SHEKELS.If you give NAIRA you will receive NAIRA.If you give DOLLARS,u will receive DOLLARS.If you give EURO,you will receive EURO.If you give pounds,you will receive POUNDS.If you DON'T give,you WILL NOT receive.If you give and dnt believe you will receive,you will not receive.If you dnt give at all,you will not receive at all.
BUT NOTE;YOU CAN RECEIVE FROM DEVIL BUT YOU DNT HAVE TO GIVE TO GOD or MAN to receive from the devil.
God bless us.

greateros: i will answer this thieving, scammer from the scriptures:

1 Tim 6:5-9
5 Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.

6 But godliness with contentment is great gain.

7 For we brought nothing into this world, and it is certain we can carry nothing out.

8 And having food and raiment let us be therewith content.

9 But they that will be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and hurtful lusts, which drown men in destruction and perdition.

10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.

11 But thou, O man of God, flee these things; and follow after righteousness, godliness, faith, love, patience, meekness.

YOU CANT HELP BUT WONDER WHY THE SO-CALLED FLOCKS DONT GO INTO THE SCRIPTURE AND READ ALL THE TRUTHS THERE-IN!


these pastorprenures will surely bring an end to Christianity!

These are kingdom messages.It will for sure be difficult to understand when you look at it carnally or trying to use the earthly wisdom.There are people who stay in church all their life or have a good relationship with God but scarcely receive financial blessings from God.
The kingdom is tied to principles and it takes the grace of God to identify those kingdom principles.Another grace to hear or be among men of God who teach this kingdom principles and a greater grace to adhere to those kingdom principles.
PST.Adeboye who has always maintained a biblical stands on issues all along has now tried to bring the word of God to the levels that even a lay man will understand and adhere to with the help of the power of the holy spirit and will have no reason to be tied down financially.

Hear instruction and be wise, and do not neglect it.-Proverbs 8:33.

For some of us here,we may see it as scam,some will see it as the word of God and will tap into it and you see them moving up the FINANCIAL LADDER while their SALVATION is still not threatened. -Luke 6:38''give, and it will be given to you. Good measure, pressed down, shaken together, running over, will be put into your lap. For with the measure you use it will be measured back to you'' He used this scripture in teaching financial upliftment.He has also used this scripture to teach love.In the area of finance,he is saying that what you give is what you get.
(1 Corinthians 9:11If we have sown spiritual seed among you, is it too much if we reap material benefits from you?)This was the exact saying of apostle paul to the corinthians regarding men of God receiving from the church members or people who listen to their messages.But i know ofcourse if pastors start to speak this way people might say they are being greedy and scamers.
But regarding whether it is proper to teach seed sowing so as to receive from God,let's see the following scriptures:

''The point is this: whoever sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and whoever sows bountifully will also reap bountifully.-2 Corinthians 9:6
''Do not be deceived: God is not mocked, for whatever one sows, that will he also reap.-Galatians 6:7
''In the morning sow your seed, and at evening withhold not your hand, for you do not know which will prosper, this or that, or whether both alike will be good-Ecclessiastes 11:6
''And Isaac sowed in that land and reaped in the same year a hundredfold. The Lord blessed him,Gen.26:12
''One gives freely, yet grows all the richer; another withholds what he should give, and only suffers want. Whoever brings blessing will be enriched, and one who waters will himself be watered.-Proverbs 11:24-25
''While the earth remains, seed time and harvest, cold and heat, summer and winter, day and night, shall not cease.-Gen 8:22
''He who supplies seed to the sower and bread for food will supply and multiply your seed for sowing and increase the harvest of your righteousness.-2CORINTHIANS 9:10
''They sow fields and plant vineyards and get a fruitful yield.-Psalm 107:37
''Truly, truly, I say to you, unless a grain of wheat falls into the earth and dies, it remains alone; but if it dies, it bears much fruit. .-John 12:24
Well going by the above,i think there is nothing wrong bringing out all that matters in the holy scriptures regarding wealth building. Pst.Adeboye only came down for all to understand so as not to deprive anyone from receiving that which God has made available for his children.I have read about Pst Adeboye saying that if you are an unbeliever and tithe or sow seeds or even bring offerings unto God,you are wasting your time according to the scriptures.
Having said all these,i think there is absolutely nothing wrong teaching seed sowing in any way you like.Just give and you will receive.If you give SHEKELS,you will receive SHEKELS.If you give NAIRA you will receive NAIRA.If you give DOLLARS,u will receive DOLLARS.If you give EURO,you will receive EURO.If you give pounds,you will receive POUNDS.If you DON'T give,you WILL NOT receive.If you give and dnt believe you will receive,you will not receive.If you dnt give at all,you will not receive at all.
BUT NOTE;YOU CAN RECEIVE FROM DEVIL BUT YOU DNT HAVE TO GIVE TO GOD or MAN to receive from the devil.
God bless us.

Aqva: Giving is good no doubt but please give to those who need it. the less privileged are everywhere but we prefer to give to the pastor.As far as i know give with your heart even though u might never receive. The joy of giving is when u see others happy. Giving and expecting to receive is a waste of time.

When ever you give and dnt expect to receive from God,you can't receive anything.

PalmTree: Lmao!!!
Let's go scriptural, somewhere in the book of malachi God promised to bless us if we bring our TITHES and OFFERINGS and I agree. But pastors are not contented with that so we should sow seeds again? If there is any on going project in the church, members should sow, if pastor wan buy jet, members should sow again? So what will the members eat. The scriptures also say that God loves a cheerful giver, I'm sure after the tithe and offering most members can't give cheerfully anymore.
You knw larry izamoje who donated 10k and got blessed? How are you sure that he got blessed because of the donation? Ok, I know bukky adekeye who also donated 20k because she wanted to fund her building project and got nothing! Explain.

These are kingdom messages.It will for sure be difficult to understand when you look at it carnally or trying to use the earthly wisdom.There are people who stay in church all their life or have a good relationship with God but scarcely receive financial blessings from God.
The kingdom is tied to principles and it takes the grace of God to identify those kingdom principles.Another grace to hear or be among men of God who teach this kingdom principles and a greater grace to adhere to those kingdom principles.
PST.Adeboye who has always maintained a biblical stands on issues all along has now tried to bring the word of God to the levels that even a lay man will understand and adhere to with the help of the power of the holy spirit and will have no reason to be tied down financially.

Hear instruction and be wise, and do not neglect it.-Proverbs 8:33.

For some of us here,we may see it as scam,some will see it as the word of God and will tap into it and you see them moving up the FINANCIAL LADDER while their SALVATION is still not threatened. -Luke 6:38''give, and it will be given to you. Good measure, pressed down, shaken together, running over, will be put into your lap. For with the measure you use it will be measured back to you'' He used this scripture in teaching financial upliftment.He has also used this scripture to teach love.In the area of finance,he is saying that what you give is what you get.
(1 Corinthians 9:11If we have sown spiritual seed among you, is it too much if we reap material benefits from you?)This was the exact saying of apostle paul to the corinthians regarding men of God receiving from the church members or people who listen to their messages.But i know ofcourse if pastors start to speak this way people might say they are being greedy and scamers.
But regarding whether it is proper to teach seed sowing so as to receive from God,let's see the following scriptures:

''The point is this: whoever sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and whoever sows bountifully will also reap bountifully.-2 Corinthians 9:6
''Do not be deceived: God is not mocked, for whatever one sows, that will he also reap.-Galatians 6:7
''In the morning sow your seed, and at evening withhold not your hand, for you do not know which will prosper, this or that, or whether both alike will be good-Ecclessiastes 11:6
''And Isaac sowed in that land and reaped in the same year a hundredfold. The Lord blessed him,Gen.26:12
''One gives freely, yet grows all the richer; another withholds what he should give, and only suffers want. Whoever brings blessing will be enriched, and one who waters will himself be watered.-Proverbs 11:24-25
''While the earth remains, seed time and harvest, cold and heat, summer and winter, day and night, shall not cease.-Gen 8:22
''He who supplies seed to the sower and bread for food will supply and multiply your seed for sowing and increase the harvest of your righteousness.-2CORINTHIANS 9:10
''They sow fields and plant vineyards and get a fruitful yield.-Psalm 107:37
''Truly, truly, I say to you, unless a grain of wheat falls into the earth and dies, it remains alone; but if it dies, it bears much fruit. .-John 12:24
Well going by the above,i think there is nothing wrong bringing out all that matters in the holy scriptures regarding wealth building. Pst.Adeboye only came down for all to understand so as not to deprive anyone from receiving that which God has made available for his children.I have read about Pst Adeboye saying that if you are an unbeliever and tithe or sow seeds or even bring offerings unto God,you are wasting your time according to the scriptures.
Having said all these,i think there is absolutely nothing wrong teaching seed sowing in any way you like.Just give and you will receive.If you give SHEKELS,you will receive SHEKELS.If you give NAIRA you will receive NAIRA.If you give DOLLARS,u will receive DOLLARS.If you give EURO,you will receive EURO.If you give pounds,you will receive POUNDS.If you DON'T give,you WILL NOT receive.If you give and dnt believe you will receive,you will not receive.If you dnt give at all,you will not receive at all.
BUT NOTE;YOU CAN RECEIVE FROM DEVIL BUT YOU DNT HAVE TO GIVE TO GOD or MAN to receive from the devil.
God bless us.

These are kingdom messages.It will for sure be difficult to understand when you look at it carnally or trying to use the earthly wisdom.There are people who stay in church all their life or have a good relationship with God but scarcely receive financial blessings from God.
The kingdom is tied to principles and it takes the grace of God to identify those kingdom principles.Another grace to hear or be among men of God who teach this kingdom principles and a greater grace to adhere to those kingdom principles.
PST.Adeboye who has always maintained a biblical stands on issues all along has now tried to bring the word of God to the levels that even a lay man will understand and adhere to with the help of the power of the holy spirit and will have no reason to be tied down financially.

Hear instruction and be wise, and do not neglect it.-Proverbs 8:33.

For some of us here,we may see it as scam,some will see it as the word of God and will tap into it and you see them moving up the FINANCIAL LADDER while their SALVATION is still not threatened. -Luke 6:38''give, and it will be given to you. Good measure, pressed down, shaken together, running over, will be put into your lap. For with the measure you use it will be measured back to you'' He used this scripture in teaching financial upliftment.He has also used this scripture to teach love.In the area of finance,he is saying that what you give is what you get.
(1 Corinthians 9:11If we have sown spiritual seed among you, is it too much if we reap material benefits from you?)This was the exact saying of apostle paul to the corinthians regarding men of God receiving from the church members or people who listen to their messages.But i know ofcourse if pastors start to speak this way people might say they are being greedy and scamers.
But regarding whether it is proper to teach seed sowing so as to receive from God,let's see the following scriptures:

''The point is this: whoever sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and whoever sows bountifully will also reap bountifully.-2 Corinthians 9:6
''Do not be deceived: God is not mocked, for whatever one sows, that will he also reap.-Galatians 6:7
''In the morning sow your seed, and at evening withhold not your hand, for you do not know which will prosper, this or that, or whether both alike will be good-Ecclessiastes 11:6
''And Isaac sowed in that land and reaped in the same year a hundredfold. The Lord blessed him,Gen.26:12
''One gives freely, yet grows all the richer; another withholds what he should give, and only suffers want. Whoever brings blessing will be enriched, and one who waters will himself be watered.-Proverbs 11:24-25
''While the earth remains, seed time and harvest, cold and heat, summer and winter, day and night, shall not cease.-Gen 8:22
''He who supplies seed to the sower and bread for food will supply and multiply your seed for sowing and increase the harvest of your righteousness.-2CORINTHIANS 9:10
''They sow fields and plant vineyards and get a fruitful yield.-Psalm 107:37
''Truly, truly, I say to you, unless a grain of wheat falls into the earth and dies, it remains alone; but if it dies, it bears much fruit. .-John 12:24
Well going by the above,i think there is nothing wrong bringing out all that matters in the holy scriptures regarding wealth building. Pst.Adeboye only came down for all to understand so as not to deprive anyone from receiving that which God has made available for his children.I have read about Pst Adeboye saying that if you are an unbeliever and tithe or sow seeds or even bring offerings unto God,you are wasting your time according to the scriptures.
Having said all these,i think there is absolutely nothing wrong teaching seed sowing in any way you like.Just give and you will receive.If you give SHEKELS,you will receive SHEKELS.If you give NAIRA you will receive NAIRA.If you give DOLLARS,u will receive DOLLARS.If you give EURO,you will receive EURO.If you give pounds,you will receive POUNDS.If you DON'T give,you WILL NOT receive.If you give and dnt believe you will receive,you will not receive.If you dnt give at all,you will not receive at all.
BUT NOTE;YOU CAN RECEIVE FROM DEVIL BUT YOU DNT HAVE TO GIVE TO GOD or MAN to receive from the devil.
God bless us.

tip999: sweetlemon wrote :
"Abeg I no get time for una again.
But pls I take God beg all of you. Stop rendering us deaf with your loud trumpets every 10 minutes. E don do abeg. We ve all heard that your pastor is a giver. So abeg, let our ears have some peace and quiet ooooooooo!"
read this “When Jesus spoke about giving in secret, he was speaking about your own individual wealth .The money this man ,prophet t.b Joshua gives are contributed by the organization , it is not just him alone. those who support him needs to know where the money goes to.It will encouraged many to contribute to help the poor. God blessed you prophet t.b Joshua, you are a shining light to this generation.” Good is good , what is good is good.

If you give them go say na congregation money ,if u no give them go say congregation give you and you no give them back !
Humans,funny set of beings!

ehie: geez where do u get these unbalanced people,if u note the pastor never makes a fool of himself like that,he simply goads them on.

In the presence of God there is Joy and liberty !.2 Corinthians 3:17
Remember the David kind of dance,the wife Michal mocked him.You remember also the consequences of her mockery ? And she remained barrened till her that just because she mocked the one who was dancing before God.-2nd Samuel 6:20-23.
So long as what you are doing does not contradict the word of God,then no man has got the power to condemn you.Even if they do,it will hold no water. But i tell you,if you work outside the word of God,you stand to be condemned except you repent !

nappyboy560: Wat da hell....wat a shame....by possessing a private jet does dat mean he evangelizes morethan evrybdy....I bliv in d olden days d most xpensive means of transpoortation was a chariot,cart or horse...bt even dat Jesus Christ nva used any of dese..he only rode a donkey or ass whch was during d truimphant entry...he nva possess dat donkey he jst borrowed it..nw can a servant outshine his masterwhether dy lyk it or not possessing a priv8 jet is nt jst wrong.is absolutely wrong....

Not supporting what is going on and neither am i against it either cos am yet to see what's wrong with owning a private jet and still remain in God's good book !
Regarding whether a servant can outshine his master,Jesus said that anyone who believes in HIM, will DO exceedingly greater things than HE did ! ''I tell you the truth, anyone who has faith in me will do what I have been doing. He will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father''John 14:12
The question i want to ask is:
Does earthly riches belong to God?
If yes,can HE(GOD)give it to some people ?
If yes,who are entitled to this wealth ?
Men of God,Christian or muslim congregation,pagans,idol worshipers or to all alike.
Or may be all should have it BUT the men of God !
Let's concentrate on our own relationship with God or better change church if we find our men of God loosing it and can not pray for them.
Let's not judge them with abuses and curses !

Drive for yourself and others !

looknlaff: . STFU mister man. You winners aren't poor by faith or in real sense? I have friends who worship in your church that are broke asses.My bro-in-law is a diligent worker in your church who lost his only vehicle to accident 5yrs ago & has been patronising Okada since then without the church whom he devotes much of his time to, showing any form of sympathy. I sympathise with people like you who have remained brainwashed & hypnotized & without knowing it metamorphosed into african zombies. Wake up & smell the coffee. Mtcheeww.

Bein a worker in the church does not make your brother in-law a christian ! He may be working and still be a child of the devil.And he may be a child of God who works in the vine yard of God but do not heed to the principles of God regarding wealth acquisition.
Let's focus Jesus and leave the rest for HIM to do !
Bein wealthy does not guaranty heaven and neither is bin poor ! What guarantees our salvation is the grace of God via the holly spirit that teaches us all things as born again !
Bein regenerated !

azimibraun: Even ritualist killers back in the days in the east coast of naija sponsored more ppl than u can imagine to various skools around d world.. When we meet God only then can I say a Man is good/clean..italian drug dealers and Mob Dons financed schorlaship also ddnt dey? Yet dey sell drugs 2 d same folks whose kit and kin they sponsor.. I dnt trust anybody.. Dats what the world hs tot me.

Anything you do people must complain,hate,gossip or even kill you.The best is not to do what u like or what they like BUT WHAT GOD LIKES ! Anything that contradicts the word of God or that can't be traced to the bible either directly or indirectly is satanic.But if it conforms with the word of God,it is the truth and Godly ! All men of God should continue in what so ever they do that conforms with the word of God !
People will ALWAYS HATE !
Remember they also accused Jesus wrongly and to HIS face !
May God help us.

omenka: You r absolutely right. That man Oritsejafor is a total disgrace!!!!
I remember back in '07 when I was serving in Warri, and had to atend a service at his church because we were to make a presentation. The level of materialism demontrated in that church was absolutely apalling! He made a call to bless people by laying hands on them and categorised the blessings!!
There was a call for those with 50k, 20k, 10k, 5k, 1k, and 500 naira! For eash category, alot of pple trooped out. Couldn't believe the level of desecration of the body of our Lord Jesus Christ.
He is indeed a merciful God..
Also witnessed thesame in Shepherd House in Abuja early this year... Trust me, I refused to drop a dime. Would rather give that to the beggers I come across evryday going to work. No 'man of god' is going to con me out of a cent ever again.

It takes fools to please God !