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Dauchman: Simply means promised in marriage or the period of engagement. Remember at this point she cld hav run away or refuse to marry him. Dude do some research. But again to ease things for u, anoda lite read.Thanks bro.From our findings so far we have been able to see what betrothal and courtship means. Betrothal is an engagement and courtship precedes engagement i.e a period before engagement. Remember this is what the link u uploaded says. You can go through it again for us to be very sure. Now if the bible says MARY WAS betrothed to Joseph which means engagement,are we now to say they were in courtship ? Remember ur link says Bethrothal means engagement which could still mean that you have paid the bride price or the parents or the bride herself have decided to give herself to u as a wife. According to the Jewish tradition which involves Mary and Joseph,When a woman is bethrothed or espoused to a man,the woman remains with her parents waiting for for the Groom to come back very ready in all aspect to pick her up.(This is the kind of relationship we have with Christ.He is married to us but has gone to prepare a place for us.He will be back to pick the bride.Atleast my bible tells me so.)Apostle talked about bethrothal to the Corinthians 2nd Corinthians 11:2.Mary was engaged to Joseph and was left behind to go prepare for the marriage proper. So my friend,atleast we have established the fact that it was not courtship that they were doing even before she conceived Christ. They were in an espousal relationship and not courtship. So Mary never courted Joseph as some of us here ignorantly puts it.Read Mathew 1:19 where the bible called Joseph the husband of Mary who was only waiting for the joinin day ! Please let's take it easy why i show you what Chris Ojigbani want's those who care to see and understand ! |
striktlymi: @mko I believe firmly that there is no hard and fast rule about getting married. Irrespective of how one decide to go about finding his or her life partner, I believe that the element of desperation should not be part of it. Courtship for me I believe is necessary because not everyone is as he or she seems. The world we live in is a dangerous place and we need to exercise some form of discretion in choosing a life partner. I know that it is still possible to make a mistake after taking the much needed precaution but the risk of making the mistake is mitigated when we thread with caution. I believe that before one should get married, it is important to get to know the man or woman and the families too. This takes time. The example a fellow nairalander gave of someone who got married under an hour is a bit too much cause I wonder how the marriage was organized and if the families and/or friends were involved.No one should see a lady today and be married to the person today.It's just not possible. There are ways to go about it which is what Ogjigbani was trying to put forward. Please see below : If you dnt know where you are going to,ask for God's direction After you have been directed to ur would be life partner or to WHERE you will find her,and you see who you LIKE, You will find out that the person will be a 'christian'becos God is directing you, Ask yourself a question concerning your future life with that person you hav seen and liked, If you experience calmness of the heart havin asked urself that question, Please note that the calmness or disturbance in heart is a sure possible ways God speaks to even a baby christian, Havin considered all the above to be on the positive side,go ahead and propose to the person. Because you have been directed by God does not mean the person can not object to ur marriage proposal, This is where you start to work to make her accept you but not as in the case of Courtship where you go into relationship to study,learn or for compatibility check. If the would be life partner accepts you,inform your parents and she would do same then you guys can start to plan for marriager and not courtship but in a situation where she refuses to accept you,move on with life and apply same principle yuou will see you will get married easily. I tell you my brother,the devil does not want us to get married hence courtship which most certainly leads to pre-marital sex and God's wrath towards us the chosen. The coming of the lord will be like the days of Noah men will be getting married and giving out their daughters in marriage.The devil does not still like this one hence his strategic and devlish delays through courtship and others ! Remain blessed bro. |
OilSubsidy: @ m.k.o2005, Why do you think you need to convince anybody that it is necessary to court or not? Haven't you heard the saying different strokes for different folks? Are you Ojigbani or him brother/manager? mtcheeewwwIt's just our different views on the subject.We have got the right to do whatever we want. Am not forcing God's view or standard on anyone but i know for sure some will learn something out of this. |
[quote author=maureen44][/quote]You are right ! You can't know any one enough to be married to that person. Seek God's direction and u will make the best of decision in life ! |
mrperfect: But is better to know at all than not knowing.He who thinks he knows,knows nothing actually. It's better you dnt know before marriage than the very thot that you know and start to see something different in marriage proper.Courtship is anti God ! |
Shadydamsel: t] I personally don't fink dat it is all wat some pastor dat should be taken serious. Beware guyz just do what U think its right, I mean how can u no d person u're dating better if dere is no courtship or will U just pick a person and marry like datPastor Chris Ojigbani never gave his opinion on the matter but what God want's through what his words says . You can believe the WORD or the world ! |
Sagamite: And this is the person counseling people on relationships?You can go the way of the world -COURTSHIP. But for a child of God who want's to please God,shun courtship and seek the face of God for direction and you will be led ! |
meggieblac: And if i find out we are not compatible during marriage?No two person can be compatible. People changes with time. You might be in agreement in courtship but once you get married,things beging to happen negatively.You wonder why couple file in for divorce even after their 10yrs of courtship ? They thot they were compatible in courtship and got married and latter found out that either some one was deceiving some one all along or some one has changed. The secrete is understanding and tolerance in marriage wether u got married to ur enemy or friend. Not courtship |
abuayman: [color=#006600][/color]It's difficult to let go of an old believe or knowledge ! |
dozymars: How do u know they didnt court? were the days of meeting eachother before marriage stated?You asked me the question how i know they never courted and you went on to answer the question that Isaac was a covenant child that was why he did not court.Yes that was what the servant did as a wise man. We all have to be wise and ask God for direction which HE will definitely do for us.No need for courtship.No body in the bible courted at least it was not mentioned. |
salaksmana: So if I see a lady today, I can marry her tomorrow? Kai kai kaiNo brother.You ask God to direct you to a lady for marriage.Trust you will find cos God answers prayers of HIS children.When you see what u like,for sure she will be a christian.If u tell urself that u want to settle down with her,u will see cos u won't be troubled in ur heart.Propose to her.When she accepts,you can go ahead with ur marriage plans. All other learning,compatibility check,understanding and the rest will be in marriage. |
striktlymi: @mko I believe firmly that there is no hard and fast rule about getting married. Irrespective of how one decide to go about finding his or her life partner, I believe that the element of desperation should not be part of it. Courtship for me I believe is necessary because not everyone is as he or she seems. The world we live in is a dangerous place and we need to exercise some form of discretion in choosing a life partner. I know that it is still possible to make a mistake after taking the much needed precaution but the risk of making the mistake is mitigated when we thread with caution. I believe that before one should get married, it is important to get to know the man or woman and the families too. This takes time. The example a fellow nairalander gave of someone who got married under an hour is a bit too much cause I wonder how the marriage was organized and if the families and/or friends were involved.My friend,i am much relaxed now with u. Becos we have come to a common ground. Now from ur post,we dnt want to make mistake ! So we need to study to ensure mistake is drastically reduced right ? So we COURT to study so as to know what we are 'buying ' to an extent. So i can now define courtship to be a period we get to study each other to know if things will work . Now bro.This is what Chris is saying and what other men of God aren't telling us: That the world is full of deceit. That people change per time per time. That when we court and eventually get married,that it in most cases leads to dissapointment. That courtship brings about the saying:After using me,u want to dump me. That courtship most ultimately lead to sex before marriage(I know most people may not agree here on NL) That courtship means u do not have trust in God but in what u can do on ur own. That courtship leads to heart break. That courtship leads to betrayal. That it is not biblical That courtship delays marriage That no matter how long u court someone,You will not get to know that person Courtship leads to marrying someone out of pity And so many other things that i will put forward here by 2morow cos i have to round up with what am doing in the office. Thanks bro. Will be back on this morow. |
dozymars: Okay Mr M.K.O I think you need to know what courtship is. from the dictionary Courtship is traditionally the wooing of a female by a male, includes activities such as dating (dinner and a movie, a picnic, or general "hanging out"You said in ur opinion, if we don't get the general knowledge(Wikipedia and dictionary )of courtship,we won't do well on this subject. Getting to know the parents of ur would be life partner isn't courtship ESPECIALLY in the context it's bin used by all in the world at large. I want to take us on a lecture but we must first establish a fact before we move on. And the fact is what is courtship ? Not ur opinion or waht u think but dictionary meaning PLS. |
Lero15: u dont av to take evritin ur pastor says 100%...courtship is not a sin or frm any pit of hell as long as u dont engage in immoral acts.i WILL BY THE Grace of God show you why i say you can't court and not contradict the word of God ! |
striktlymi: Guy make your research before you comment as I did mine. Courtship can mean a whole lot of things including the definition I gave. Courtship can mean:Since courtship means a whole lot of things ur def and mine inclusive. Now pls let's start with Why do we court before MARRIAGE ? |
striktlymi: Guy make your research before you comment as I did mine. Courtship can mean a whole lot of things including the definition I gave. Courtship can mean: |
Dauchman: I now understand ur afinity to agree wit the pastor. Apparently you do not even knw the meaning of courtship. Well this is a lite read for youThat is to say we actually court before engagement right ? It still same thing when you answer the question why we court. We are saying samething here brother. So pls from ur link,tell me what u understand courtship to BE ? |
Dauchman: Dude you lie, wasn't it d same mary that was bethroted to Joseph. I hope u realize dey knew each oda not canaly b4 Mary gave birth to Jesus. You seem to misconstrue courtship as being sex b4 marriage. My parents courted b4 dey got married and after 65yrs dey r still rocking. Stop throwing your ignorance around.What does the word betrothed means ? Check and revert to me pls.The bible recorded that Mary was espoused(bethroted) to Joseph. Was that courtship ? Pls let's take it a step at a time. So others can learn. |
striktlymi: @poster I don't quite agree with the view of the 'good' pastor. I don't think that it would be wise for anyone to get married without one form of courtship or the other. As much as I agree that because of the dynamism of human beings and our natural instinct to adapt with the changing world, it is absolutely impossible to know everything there is to know about an individual; it is still self deceit to believe that we can actually get married without courtship. For starters and in the context in which we are looking at it, courtship simply means to attempt to gain the love or affection of someone, especially when we are considering marriage. In the days of our fathers, this attempt is done by the families involved. You will agree with me that it would be practically impossible for a man to get married in those days without the consent of both families. Courting in those days are left in the hands of our parents. That was when the community was small and everyone knew each other. But presently, because of globalization, expansion, modernization and the rest, we are no longer talking about a homogeneous community where everyone is acquainted with the other. As such the job of the parents has become cumbersome, hence the need for the individuals to help out with the job of courting i.e trying to gain the affection or love of the other. Those days it was sufficient to get the affection or love of the girls family but now it is required that we seek to win both the affection of the lady and the family as well. I think I am talking too much. The bottom line is, I believe that if courtship means to attempt to win the love or affection of another then even the 'good' pastor courted before he got married because he either sought the love and affection of the girl or the girl's family. Q.E.D.Courtship does not mean to attempt to win the love of the other person. Check ur dictionary and revert so we see if courtship truely means a period u get to know each other to see if things will work ! Please revert for us to discuss. Thanks |
Anyigala: Women use sex to get love, men use love to get sex. When you eliminate sex in courtship, you get realness. The Pastor is not totally correct in some of his assessments.Another point bro.Courtship ultimately leads to sex before marriage. Now the big question is why do we court ? I want us to start from there please. |
dozymars: Anybody can come up with any theory stating his own believes and surely surely he or she will have followers.Dozymars,u said we should not follow any man made theory.Now tell us,where in the 'Godly theory'we were instructed or admonished to court like u just quoted? Can u sight any example of courtship in the bible ? Courtship is what is man made and not the other way round. Now this is just one poit from Ojigbani: Ask for God's direction.If HE direct's you,you don't need to court. |
Mad Cow: Google his darn crusade testimonies jor... Thats the only way for you to understand how his mind works..Absolutely the God's way of doing things. Courtship whether 2days or two yrs isn't biblical and not for Christians. This subject should only be for believers and those who want to learn !Courtship is DEVILISH ! |
jayplect: Agreed! they were divinely created union but wat of isaac and Rebekah. Did they court? Were they also divinely created?Pls if u are a christian,study ur bible very well . Isaac never courted rebekah at all ! |
ayo ade: If courtship didn't work for some people that does not make it a bad idea. I have not listened to the man but, Ofcourse, you cannot meet someone today and marry her tommorrow.Courtship never worked for anyman. What worked for the people that courted and the people that never courted could just be one thing ! On this subject,i will like to discuss or engage Christians and not un believers. After all,marriage isn't for un believers ! |
OilSubsidy: Hey! What is courtship? A kind of ship used in court? If so i don't think it's necessary.Any how you look at courtship,it is not for Christians period ! |
andyzoga: I think he should give us examples in d Bible because I know Mary was in courtship with Joseph when she conceived.Very very big lie. Mary never courted Joseph even for a second. Pastor Chris Ojigbani Knows exactly what he is saying and how i wish i have time now i would have by the grace of God enlighten most of us here on the issue of Courtship. It is in deed from the pit of hell. God is not and can never be in support of it. |
jp philips: that guy said a simple fact that can be deduced from all these rumors, everybody is not as brain dead as you.If they wanted to kill the debtor,he would have bin long dead before the Aluu community even know it. If he was a debtor and they want to get their money back from him,why would dey want to kill him ? If they kill him cos he was owing,how will they now get the money back. I think it was only a threat but believe me,their are threats that are LIVE threatening !Though all this rumors and assumptions could all be truth or lies. But let's not expect anything positive from this same River state police chiefs just like the parents of this dead guys pointed out becos the 'police' is an accomplice in this one.Guy,u might not agree with me cos from all ur write ups,u are happy the 4 guys were killed but we all are saying we have to talk now so that next time,when a thief is caught he might just be lynched and be handed over to the authorities in charge or when a cultist is been caught,he might as well be handed over to the school authorities or other security bodies in charge like the anti cult ! We have seen cultists in schools,they don't kill them when they are identified,they could either be suspended,rusticated or something ! Justice for these ones will deter pple from involving in jungle justice ! If this type of justice continues,who knows it might be you JP Phillips we would be fighting for like these young guilty or innocent lads ! Shalom |
skerries: Yes we have heard about Aluu death,but nobody said anything about Mubi anymore why folks ?I feel for those who lost their lives in the Mubi Massacre.They were shot and also axed to death. But if you ask me,if the 4 Uniport were given option to choose between bin killed like the Aluu 4 or the Mubi Massacre,they would had opted for the Mubi Massacre style ! |
freecocoa: You are wrong mister, the NPF is capable of anything, its been confirmed by many people that the police indeed came there, that one even hit the boys with his gun saying " you go thief abi" and then left, didn't you read the statement by the policemen there on that day? Their excuse is that they didn't have sufficient bullet.I couldn't sleep last night just havin the thot of what those guys might have gone through before their death ! |
jp philips: Stop saying what you don't know, an eye witness had this accountGuy you are writing trash ! Listen to the video again before you conclude. No body said these guys were cultists. Pls dnt judge them wrongly. If you think what they did to them is right,then keep ur opinion to yourself let's move on with life. |
dopeJemi: no smoke wivawt firePeople can mistakenly kill people. So pray you don't get involved ! |
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, along with other forms of activity, such as meeting online (also known as virtual dating), chatting on-line, sending text messages or picture messages, conversing over the phone, writing each other letters, and sending each other flowers, songs, and gifts. Courting usually involves getting to know the family (especially the parents) of the one you are courting. Most of the time courting will be done somewhere public, to lower the chances of anything going on between the couple. Some couples who court do not even kiss until marriage.