₦airaland Forum

MacDaddy01: I should have known that you are a useless slave that wants to be a slave. When faced with the truth about your religion, yo ignore it and continue preaching.


Jesus was racist to the Canaanite woman. If a british doctor told you that he only heals the lost sheep of Britain when your child for treatment, would you accept such?

You only receive what you deserve.Except HIS grace comes upon you ! HE was compassionate to the lost Canaanite woman who realized that Jesus is lord . Even as you are today,the grace is there for you all you need is to be wise and tap into this grace if not,you won't receive anything ! But if you do,you will get even more than the Canaanite woman !

MacDaddy01: The christ you follow killed himself. Suicide by assisted crucifixion. Jesus could have escaped the betrayal but wanted to be martyred like a terrorist.

Furthermore, Jesus was racist to the canaanite woman

He died for you and i ! It profits you nothing to say all these things to HIM.But because HE is merciful,HE said father forgive them for they know not what they do. I believe HE can still forgive you brother.
Good brother,so you even read the bible ? That's good but learn to study so the holy spirit can minister unto you.
The canaanite idol worshiping woman like some very micro minute few of us here on NL trying to seek recognition,be wise like her who recognized the Deity of our LORD jesus Christ and be given the MEAT(BLESSINGS) of the chosen(Those who believe in Jesus) -Jesus loves you and still interested in ur soul-Shalom

[quote author=PAGAN 9JA]^^^^^christians like to lie to spread their religion. it is integral part of their beliefs. this is evident from his sensless post. lol @ jesus created everything in this world. before jesus there was nothing at all. only blank canvas. the ancient civilizations, soicieties , etc., of our ancestors are just myths and fairytales. [/quote]I dnt intend to quote scriptures to you but know it that HE made you ! Everything that was created was for HIM,by HIM and through HIM !You may say another senseless one right !Hmmm ! You will sure come back to ur maker ! Shalom

Ptolomeus: I can not stop laughing ...
You are in your right mind?
That's the biggest nonsense I've heard in my life!

You should be in Guiness
Shalom ...

It makes no sense to you and it just can't until the day it start's making sense to you that's the day you will tell any one you come in contact with that Jesus Christ is lord.-Shalom

Tisa: I can't help but wonder how nigeria n nigerians will be if we had held on to the religions of our ancestors rather than the two imported religions that has given way to the prevalence or everything bad in our societies.

I know we will want to say things like "God forbid" but truly most of the evils happening today would not be happening if people know they will receive instant judgment from the likes of Sango, Ayelala, Ogun, Amadioha etc. Imagine a pastor violating an 11yrs old girl in the name of deliverance or the common wasting of lives in the name of money rituals. I know in Yoruba land that if someone was killed unlawfully by another person, the family of the dead can summon the spirit of the dead relative to go torment n kill those that committed such evil against it hence hearing of people being killed in those days was rare but these days the family of the dead will "leave it to God to Judge".

I think all this looting by our politicians, robbing of innocent motorists by latsma or is it lastma, ritual killings, religious robbery etc are all common cos the perpetrators know they can ask GOD for forgiveness b4 they die and will be forgiven hence d dead person died in vain.

What do u guys think? I think we shd retrace our steps cos it seems these two imported religions doesn't suit us.

Please I want us to debate this as matured people. Make ur case with good points and don't let's resort to abusing ourselves. We need to move forward as a people. Since I was a todler people ve been hoping nigeria will get better, praying and fasting and now as old as I am we are still praying and fasting, that's 2 generations o. It shd n MUST stop!

Thanks.

The creator says ''I WILL FORGIVE THEM IF THEY GENUINELY COME BACK TO ME'' I no think say that one concern any body !

item1: If its all about the quality, how come i can't find any of these your quality schools in the list of good schools in the world.

Keep searching you will soon find them. At least sooner than any of the other non Church owned !

[quote author=gees_02]That is a very big lie, there are scholarship schemes available to d less privileged, and also, a university for the poor is not possible, the money to run it won't fall from heaven, and for ur info the proceeds are used for evangelism, and also spent on thru poor. Uu don't expect a church to blow it's horn every time a donation is made to an orphanage. And for those who would scream about rich pastors, mind uu, they have their own businesses, and because uu serve God doesn't mean uu should be wretched. If I were hoping to be a billionaire I would go to a pastor who is one !!![/quote]People don't like to hear that you have got some savings as a man who identified with God !

puzzler: Churches having varieties of vissions?what den is true religion? didnt d bible itself define it in james 1 vrs 27 "this is d religion dat God accepts as pure and faultless; to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world"
As a result,;Any religion dat has any other objectives other than to take care of orphans and widows(the poor) is categorically a FALSE RELIGION ..
so mr joe pls dont mislead people.

In as much as it's a fact that James cleared the air concerning what true religion is and not all these things some of us think is religion,we came to earth to affect our world positively ! Quality education been provided is also part of it as affordable 'low quality' education is also included.
God will help us all !

jhydebaba: If the poor are "forced" to contribute their hard earned monies into the construction and onward financing of these "business centres" and you are here asking me about Joe's views on the visions.
If the visions are for standard, fine, the church should borrow money from banks and run the school appropriately not asking members to contribute physically, financially even spiritually towards it.
The latter is what pained me the most and I feel the spirit of capitalism right there in the church.

They did borrowed and gave members the opportunity to invest in the 'work of God' !
It could be that Members are happy that the decaying or already decayed educational system in Nigeria is alive once more and they are part of the revival vision period.But we all are here crying for the happi contributors !Or did any of these members came to complain to you that their kids are at home and not in any school studying ? The vision if you ask me could be to make more money for the church for it to have a strong financial base.It could be to make money for the pastors,it could be just to compete favorably internationally,it could be to take money from the rich who stole our money either through politics or...,it could as well be to revive the already dead educational system in the country.
Please note ''It takes a fool to please God'' What ever your mind can't carry,leave it for those who's mind CAN !

chucky234: I always ask myself same question all the time,if the early missionaries who made it possible for Nigerians to embrace education were as greedy as the present generation I wonder what would have happened to many of us born in the 70s.
Its a disturbing trend that need serious attention from the congregation,but their urge for miracles will not give the time to realise that they have been deceived by their pastors.
I dont make monetary contributions in church simply because a pastor says the lord will bless me in a thousand fold,bible told us that many shall come in sheep clothing and will do things in such a way that will convince the people that they are of the lord.
These churches in their quest to extort members preach nothing else than prosperity,they no longer preach about salvation or winning souls for Christ which is suppose to be our primary assignment on earth.

It is well brother ! You can do something about it.They have faced their own calling.Let's face ours ! Salvation message.
The truth is that you can't take away prosperity message from salvation and vise versa !

[quote author=Okija_juju][size=13pt]Brethren and Sistren, Please open your biblbes with me to the book of MATTHEW 12: 13 [b] And Jesus went into the temple of God, and cast out all them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves, "It is written," he said to them, "'My house will be called a house of prayer,' but you are making it a 'den of robbers.'"


What we are witnessing today is that the house of God has graduated from being a house of prayers to becoming an avenue to defraud people. When they want to build these churches, they collect offerings from the congregation both rich & poor for many years and so it can be said that the they contributed to build that church.. Iya Ileke Idi that sells Pure Water at Obalende contributed to that school, Baba Bluetooth the fisherman at Makoko contributed to that school. And for them to see that school completed, and then watch the kids of only the Rich, Wealthy and well to do attend the schools their money built, I think is very very bad! Its sort of the same way that a Pastor would fly in a Gulfstream Jet with the monies he collect from his poor congregation who sometimes trek to church, give their offering and trek back home..

Anybody who dosent see this as wrong, all I can say is may you never be poor.. May you never be in the position to contribute to something and never be able to enjoy it.. Here is a price check of Private University tuitions.. (Church Unis);

1. BOWEN University owned and operated by a Baptist Convention, charges ₦650,000 as tuition fees per session.

2. COVENANT University established by Bishop Oyedepo of Winners Chapel ₦640,000 as tuition fees per session.

3. BENSON IDAHOSA University charges ₦500,000 as tuition fees per session.

4. BABCOCK University established by The Seventh Day Adventist, charges ₦450,000 as tuition fees per session.

5. REDEEMERS University owned by The Redeemed Christian Church of God , charges ₦450,000 as tuition fees per session.

6. AJAYI CROWTHER University established by The Supra diocesan board of the church of Nigeria (Anglican Communion), charges ₦350,000per session.

7. MADONNA University a Catholic University charges ₦350,000 as tuition fees per session.

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I wonder how many civil servants can afford these fees?! In a country where minimum wage of 18,000 naira is still hard for the government to pay?! And the government is still the highest employerof labour in this same country. I wonder how many Farmers can afford these fees?! I wonder how many Artisans can afford these fees?! Go into our villages, even those where you need a canoe to access, you will see Redeemed church there, you will see Wunners Chapel and all these other churches, those villagers also contributed in their own small way to these schools and the sad part is that while they keep praying for God to better their lot so they can afford to send their kids to these schools which their monies have built, the pastor is enjoying the proceeds from their investments..

Now I understand that University education is expensive.. Infact, I am a stong proponent for Universities to be autonomous and allowed to charge as much as is necessary for them to run, however, I also believe in Merit scholarship, partial scholarships and stuffs like that.. The churches dont even offer any sort of scholarship scheme for the less privileged members.. And the amazing part is that the members themselves see nothing wrong in this o!! But the day the government increases a state university tuition fee from 50 thousand to 75 thousand, see them rioting and carrying placards..

P.S: The two cheapest private schools on that list are Anglican and Catholic universities..
[/size][/quote]There is no cheapest there ! They can't be cheap.Cheap ones can't make this list

jhydebaba: I "dislike" churches because of this single fact. How can the poor contribute their hard earned money to cater for the rich (oh! Maybe that part of the bible that said that we will collect from the poor and give to the rich is being fulfilled here).
There was a time a young boy who is a worker (usher) in one of these churches was trying to gain admission into university, I asked him that since you are working for the church without getting paid, the church must be able to give you university education at least for a stipend. You know what? the boy made no sense out of what I have said and believed that he must kill himself since he can't get admission. A lot of cases are like that.

*You work for the church for free, you pay offering (special and non-special), you pay tithe diligently etc and still the church can't offer anything in return. Please let's wake up and fight the spirit of capitalism in these churches in totality.

*Most people have been blindfolded by religion so it is do as I say without asking questions otherwise you end up in HELLFIRE.

Don't be deceived my brother.The devil is happy when you say things like this ! Churches are you and I if you are a christian.
Joe said 'what's the vision behind the school buildings !

[quote author=Okija_juju][size=13pt]Brethren and Sistren, Please open your biblbes with me to the book of MATTHEW 12: 13 [b] And Jesus went into the temple of God, and cast out all them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves, "It is written," he said to them, "'My house will be called a house of prayer,' but you are making it a 'den of robbers.'"


What we are witnessing today is that the house of God has graduated from being a house of prayers to becoming an avenue to defraud people. When they want to build these churches, they collect offerings from the congregation both rich & poor for many years and so it can be said that the they contributed to build that church.. Iya Ileke Idi that sells Pure Water at Obalende contributed to that school, Baba Bluetooth the fisherman at Makoko contributed to that school. And for them to see that school completed, and then watch the kids of only the Rich, Wealthy and well to do attend the schools their money built, I think is very very bad! Its sort of the same way that a Pastor would fly in a Gulfstream Jet with the monies he collect from his poor congregation who sometimes trek to church, give their offering and trek back home..

Anybody who dosent see this as wrong, all I can say is may you never be poor.. May you never be in the position to contribute to something and never be able to enjoy it.. Here is a price check of Private University tuitions.. (Church Unis);

1. BOWEN University owned and operated by a Baptist Convention, charges ₦650,000 as tuition fees per session.

2. COVENANT University established by Bishop Oyedepo of Winners Chapel ₦640,000 as tuition fees per session.

3. BENSON IDAHOSA University charges ₦500,000 as tuition fees per session.

4. BABCOCK University established by The Seventh Day Adventist, charges ₦450,000 as tuition fees per session.

5. REDEEMERS University owned by The Redeemed Christian Church of God , charges ₦450,000 as tuition fees per session.

6. AJAYI CROWTHER University established by The Supra diocesan board of the church of Nigeria (Anglican Communion), charges ₦350,000per session.

7. MADONNA University a Catholic University charges ₦350,000 as tuition fees per session.

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I wonder how many civil servants can afford these fees?! In a country where minimum wage of 18,000 naira is still hard for the government to pay?! And the government is still the highest employerof labour in this same country. I wonder how many Farmers can afford these fees?! I wonder how many Artisans can afford these fees?! Go into our villages, even those where you need a canoe to access, you will see Redeemed church there, you will see Wunners Chapel and all these other churches, those villagers also contributed in their own small way to these schools and the sad part is that while they keep praying for God to better their lot so they can afford to send their kids to these schools which their monies have built, the pastor is enjoying the proceeds from their investments..

Now I understand that University education is expensive.. Infact, I am a stong proponent for Universities to be autonomous and allowed to charge as much as is necessary for them to run, however, I also believe in Merit scholarship, partial scholarships and stuffs like that.. The churches dont even offer any sort of scholarship scheme for the less privileged members.. And the amazing part is that the members themselves see nothing wrong in this o!! But the day the government increases a state university tuition fee from 50 thousand to 75 thousand, see them rioting and carrying placards..
[/size][/quote]May be in time to come there will be schools owned by churches that will encourage or give scholarship to students if they don't do it now. But the schools they have now compete favorably internationally and for it to remain in business,they need to maintain standard;quality laboratories,libraries,teachers and lecturers including structures.They can't achieve all these with your 50k per session.People still pay the fees hence the operators of the schools still in business.
We pay as low as what ever we pay now in our federal and state schools just because government never remove SUBSIDY !The day government go stop all the grants and other support both financial and others,that's the day we will all know that education is not cheap.But God will help us.
But my proposal is churches should maintain with the standard they have in these schools,maintain their fees if not increase it cos there are people who can still afford it AND they should start up other low quality schools with less quality teachers and others so some of us who can't afford the high quality ones will send our children and wards there.Becos if you make a school free,the quality of teachers/lecturers you get there will be nothing to talk about !
So my brother,no one should criticize churches for high tuition fees because no be only their tuition fees high other

ijawkid: Joe it would be wrong if u take sides with these guys who milk there members dry to erect schools that the members after putting much effort to build d school cannot afford the fees after its completion.....

Its clear that these persons(the church members) are being used...

For once say ""NO" to the corruption that is prevalant in the churches today.....

Joe only said nothing but the TRUTH ! Are the schools built to step up moral decadence or built for the poor ? Not minding who's money it was built with,as at the time of fund raising,was there an announcement promising would be investors that there kids will be given admission into the schools for no cost ?If that was the case before building and now they don't keep to their promise,God will judge them for breach of agreement of deception

dan jalingo: sometimes i wonder what sence we try to make with some of the things we say. are jews christians?

My brother ask them ooo ! people always also think that once you fill that part deceptively provided as 'YOUR religion' -Christianity,that automatically makes you a christian. How wrong !They should go look at the live of Jesus and HIS teachings and also HIS disciples then come tell us that people killing people are Christians !They were never Christians,they are not Christians but the HOLY spirit can help them be true Christians !-Shalom

Martian: If you want to be a realistic, you will admit that both the preacher and the traditional man are snake oil salesmen using their position and their victims' ignorance and gullibily to carry out their atrocities. Your argument boils down to, "at least the christian preacher only rapes and doesn't kill".

The fact is there is no difference between the ancestral religions and the pathetic ones you people follow now. People like you are always quick to bring up the ignorant acts of the old beliefs, while ignoring the ridiculous antics of your cherished jews and their god in your bible; and the actions of christians in recorded history.
Christianity used to be more barbaric than it is today, just like the ancestral religions of different cultures, so pointing out human sacrificies and the likes as arguments against the old religions is asinine. Just like christianity evolved, the ancestral religions can also evolve. At the end of the day, christianity is bullsh#t, just like the ancestral beliefs are bullsh#t. So get off your high horse, and realise that yahweh is as "unique" as zeus and Amadioha.

I dnt feel like hurting any one of you atheists,but i'm meant to understand that ''all atheists are fools''Pls dnt take any offence that's what my own bible says.I'm not suppos to say it to you because it sounds insulting,BUT THAT'S THE WAY IT IS. I was once like you guys until the ALMIGHTY GOD saved me.Christianity never evolved at anytime.People claim to be following Christ,thinking they know HIM too well but dnt actually know HIM let alone following HIM. 'WHEN THE KNOWLEDGE OF A THING IS NOT KNOWN,ABUSE IS INEVITABLE' We are talking about Christianity and not some kind of LAWS,rituals or what have you.
All you atheists and those of you who does not believe in CHRIST-the MESSIAH,accept HIM today as ur lord and personal savior and you will be with HIM in paradise ! Not by ur works though but by HIS grace only will you be saved-
Don't mean to hurt any one but if it happened,forgive me i only said the truth -Shalom

Ptolomeus: I am sorry that your parents have been ignorant.
Surely, ignorant parents, are born ignorant people like you.
You talk about fetishes?
This is a fetish ...
You do not judge, or you will be judged!

My respects!

God said we shouldn't judge but he asked me to tell the truth at all times.HE said i should preach the good news to all inhabitants of the earth.And if telling the truth and preaching the good news entails me telling you that there is heaven and hell,that all who sin will go to hell but the father does not want us to go to hell becos it is a place reserved for the devil and his agents,i will continue to say it.
My brother,you are not a devil but dnt allow him to use u.U are GOD'S creature.And HE want's you to give ur life to christ and not to some stones and carvings.You think you will find anything in stones and wood carvings of WHAT EVER IMAGE? It's a trick of the devil just to make you not make heaven on the last day.
The above may not really make sense to you but i believe in what the holy spirit can do for you.-Shalom

[quote author=PAGAN 9JA]christianity is a toxin that is destabilizing Nigeria, the rest of Africa and the World. whta with all the tithing, fanaticism, scientific rejection, madness, cultural destruction, involvement in politics, man-worship, inferiority complex, etc. .


that garden of yours didnt exist. there is no proof if it did. just some jewish bedtime faiytale storie that is taken seriously by fools. atleast our "ignorant fathers" existed. .


what has christianity got to do with technology such as combs , mirrors etc., (which btw was invented in Pagan days, so YOU should stop using it. everything in this world started Pagan and has Pagan roots).
i agree about the clothes though. but who told you that our traditional clothes are raffia stop confusing with attire used during ritual. we have our own other separate cotton-stitched trad. clothes. however due to colonisation, we are forced to wear it on the outside but in our own country, we must wear trad. clothes.



shut up jew. your pleading to christians wont work. The Nigerian" people will soon be aware and/or arealready aware. they just need to come out in the open.[/quote]You guys mix it all up. Look at the man called Jesus.Look at HIS life style.Listen to his teachings and come back to tell me if you can accuse him personally of any negative thing associated with some sects,groups and people who claim they are following him.One man once said''i love JESUS but i hate HIS followers'' This man knows Jesus is the being to associate with but some people who claim they follow HIM go contrary to HIS life style because you can not love JESUS and hate those who follow him,they are same people. That's it.Look at the lives of the disciples and apostles of Jesus and come back here to tell me if u will accuse them of some of the ills u associate with the people YOU call Christians today. Any man who hates his fellow,isn't a christian,if you kill for any purpose,you are not a christian,if worship any other god other than The Almighty God,u are not a christian,an atheist,can't be a christian,a traditionalist who engages in those fetish/devilish rituals can't be called Christians.All those people who killed in the past in the name of winning souls for Christ weren't Christians.You see. If you want to be truthful to ur self,you now know who a christian is.But if you are still confused,pick up a history book if u are afraid of reading the HOLY IMPORTED BIBLE,go through the life of the MAN called CHRIST,come back and tell me who a christian should be because they must be like that man CHRIST.-Shalom

[quote author=PAGAN 9JA]christianity is a toxin that is destabilizing Nigeria, the rest of Africa and the World. whta with all the tithing, fanaticism, scientific rejection, madness, cultural destruction, involvement in politics, man-worship, inferiority complex, etc. .

You guys mix it all up. Look at the man called Jesus.Look at HIS life style.Listen to his teachings and come back to tell me if you can accuse him personally of any negative thing associated with some sects,groups and people who claim they are following him.One man once said''i love JESUS but i hate HIS followers'' This man knows Jesus is the being to associate with but some people who claim they follow HIM go contrary to HIS life style because you can not love JESUS and hate those who follow him,they are same people. That's it.Look at the lives of the disciples and apostles of Jesus and come back here to tell me if u will accuse them of some of the ills u associate with the people YOU call Christians today. Any man who hates his fellow,isn't a christian,if you kill for any purpose,you are not a christian,if worship any other god other than The Almighty God,u are not a christian,an atheist,can't be a christian,a traditionalist who engages in those fetish/devilish rituals can't be called Christians.All those people who killed in the past in the name of winning souls for Christ weren't Christians.You see. If you want to be truthful to ur self,you now know who a christian is.But if you are still confused,pick up a history book if u are afraid of reading the HOLY IMPORTED BIBLE,go through the life of the MAN called CHRIST,come back and tell me who a christian should be because they must be like that man CHRIST.
that garden of yours didnt exist. there is no proof if it did. just some jewish bedtime faiytale storie that is taken seriously by fools. atleast our "ignorant fathers" existed. .


what has christianity got to do with technology such as combs , mirrors etc., (which btw was invented in Pagan days, so YOU should stop using it. everything in this world started Pagan and has Pagan roots).
i agree about the clothes though. but who told you that our traditional clothes are raffia stop confusing with attire used during ritual. we have our own other separate cotton-stitched trad. clothes. however due to colonisation, we are forced to wear it on the outside but in our own country, we must wear trad. clothes.



shut up jew. your pleading to christians wont work. The Nigerian" people will soon be aware and/or arealready aware. they just need to come out in the open.[/quote]

[quote author=PAGAN 9JA]christianity is a toxin that is destabilizing Nigeria, the rest of Africa and the World. whta with all the tithing, fanaticism, scientific rejection, madness, cultural destruction, involvement in politics, man-worship, inferiority complex, etc. .

You guys mix it all up. Look at the man called Jesus.Look at HIS life style.Listen to his teachings and come back to tell me if you can accuse him personally of any negative thing associated with some sects,groups and people who claim they are following him.One man once said''i love JESUS but i hate HIS followers'' This man knows Jesus is the being to associate with but some people who claim they follow HIM go contrary to HIS life style because you can not love JESUS and hate those who follow him,they are same people. That's it.Look at the lives of the disciples and apostles of Jesus and come back here to tell me if u will accuse them of some of the ills u associate with the people YOU call Christians today. Any man who hates his fellow,isn't a christian,if you kill for any purpose,you are not a christian,if worship any other god other than The Almighty God,u are not a christian,an atheist,can't be a christian,a traditionalist who engages in those fetish/devilish rituals can't be called Christians.All those people who killed in the past in the name of winning souls for Christ weren't Christians.You see. If you want to be truthful to ur self,you now know who a christian is.But if you are still confused,pick up a history book if u are afraid of reading the HOLY IMPORTED BIBLE,go through the life of the MAN called CHRIST,come back and tell me who a christian should be because they must be like that man CHRIST.
that garden of yours didnt exist. there is no proof if it did. just some jewish bedtime faiytale storie that is taken seriously by fools. atleast our "ignorant fathers" existed. .


what has christianity got to do with technology such as combs , mirrors etc., (which btw was invented in Pagan days, so YOU should stop using it. everything in this world started Pagan and has Pagan roots).
i agree about the clothes though. but who told you that our traditional clothes are raffia stop confusing with attire used during ritual. we have our own other separate cotton-stitched trad. clothes. however due to colonisation, we are forced to wear it on the outside but in our own country, we must wear trad. clothes.



shut up jew. your pleading to christians wont work. The Nigerian" people will soon be aware and/or arealready aware. they just need to come out in the open.[/quote]

[quote author=PAGAN 9JA]christianity is a toxin that is destabilizing Nigeria, the rest of Africa and the World. whta with all the tithing, fanaticism, scientific rejection, madness, cultural destruction, involvement in politics, man-worship, inferiority complex, etc. .


that garden of yours didnt exist. there is no proof if it did. just some jewish bedtime faiytale storie that is taken seriously by fools. atleast our "ignorant fathers" existed. .


what has christianity got to do with technology such as combs , mirrors etc., (which btw was invented in Pagan days, so YOU should stop using it. everything in this world started Pagan and has Pagan roots).
i agree about the clothes though. but who told you that our traditional clothes are raffia stop confusing with attire used during ritual. we have our own other separate cotton-stitched trad. clothes. however due to colonisation, we are forced to wear it on the outside but in our own country, we must wear trad. clothes.



shut up jew. your pleading to christians wont work. The Nigerian" people will soon be aware and/or arealready aware. they just need to come out in the open.[/quote]Traditional clothes never in any way contradicted the word and ways of the ALMIGHTY GOD.But leave out the devilish/fetish aspect of worship to will in no doubt send you to hell ESPECIALLY now that you are aware and refuse to come to ur maker JESUS CHRIST !
He loves you and can still help you even in this ur current status-Shalom

[quote author=PAGAN 9JA]christianity is a toxin that is destabilizing Nigeria, the rest of Africa and the World. whta with all the tithing, fanaticism, scientific rejection, madness, cultural destruction, involvement in politics, man-worship, inferiority complex, etc. .


that garden of yours didnt exist. there is no proof if it did. just some jewish bedtime faiytale storie that is taken seriously by fools. atleast our "ignorant fathers" existed. .


what has christianity got to do with technology such as combs , mirrors etc., (which btw was invented in Pagan days, so YOU should stop using it. everything in this world started Pagan and has Pagan roots).
i agree about the clothes though. but who told you that our traditional clothes are raffia stop confusing with attire used during ritual. we have our own other separate cotton-stitched trad. clothes. however due to colonisation, we are forced to wear it on the outside but in our own country, we must wear trad. clothes.



shut up jew. your pleading to christians wont work. The Nigerian" people will soon be aware and/or arealready aware. they just need to come out in the open.[/quote]My brother,you are a blessed man. I can't fight for the all seeing GOD.HE knows there are infinitesimal numbers of people like you who thinks HE doesn't exist.But HE is not bothered.HE only want'ts you to choose life.If God will allow even people like you who should be worshiping HIM to contradict HIM this way,who are my to hold back people who want's to go astray.I will only teach what i know,preach to the people i see and leave the conversion for the HOLY SPIRIT.It's not in my power to bring any man to Christ.
God said there are good and evil here on earth but HIS advise is that we go for the good so we might have LIFE !
Shalom !

[quote author=PAGAN 9JA]who is questioning whos authority WE ARE JUST QUESTIONING YOUR MAN-GOD'S AUTHORITY, THATS ALL.



THE GODS DO NOT ENTERTAIN HUMAN MATERIAL FEELINGS. THEY ARE SPIRITUAL FORCES! STOP CONFUSING MAN with a [/b]GOD[/b]. and what gives you the right to brand our Gods devilish isnt it your God that provoked you to go and slaughter millions in the name of his religion first of all to begin with, the devil concept of "complete evil" DOENS NOT EXIST. the forces must be balanced.

and i have explained idolatory so there is no reason to brand a Spiritual Force as fetish. the idols merely are material representations of SPiritual Forces, to aid humans in the reverence of tthe Supernatural and for concentration.

and it would be better if you stop saying :Shalom: everytime. it sounds lame. [/quote]What are the spiritual forces like ? Do they moveor talk,do dey eat or drink,do they sometimes laugh or cry,do day have eyes that can actually see or ears that can hear,or are they carvings made by man or stone,who made them ? Ask ur self some of those questions and you will see that God Almighty who's son is Jesus Christ created all those things and allowed ur mother get married to ur father,allowed them to give birth to u,allowed you to have the life you have today.Even allowed you to start worshiping wood carvings and stones.HE is all merciful. You are HIS child.And HE want's the best for you.All these things you do now;contradicting the word of HE that created you are attributes of a prodigal son.I know you will come back to HIM.But please do it why there is still day.
Jesus loves you-Shalom

[quote author=PAGAN 9JA] christ is not a God. he is a man. an israeli man . WAKE UP! [/quote]Do u believe there is even GOD or god ? If you believe,what is ur god(s) like ? Please tell me i want to know

[quote author=PAGAN 9JA]so whatever wrongs you christians do in the name of rreligion, your jusstification is that he devil made you do it hmm . .

let me clarify with you. the christ you follow never directly killed anyone. but he used a very powerful weapon (later on, used by muhammad), that of brainwashing. he brainwashed and incited people to do the kilings for his beliefs and in his name. none of our Pagan religions would evergo on rampage to gain converts like your useless religion.

we traditionalist are not devilish. let me remind you that it is you people who comitted attrocitieies upon us, not us on you.[/quote]You are highly ignorant concerning the word of God.I was once like you until i started studying the word of GOD,meditating and with the help of the holy spirit,I am who i am today.A heaven bound saint !
You said the christ i follow 'never directly killed any one'I thank you for that.But since some of you claim that HE never even existed,when and where did you read that HE brain washed people(HIS followers ?)Christ never asked HIS followers to go on rampage to gain followers.Never. In fact HE he told them that when you go into the house of any one to preach the good news,if they refuse u entrance or failed to welcome you properly,dust ur shoes and leave quietly ! HE said if u are slapped on a cheek,turn the other side for the person to slap u a second time -Don't retaliate ! I doubt if any of ur Fetish traditional system will accept such. So tell me,how is ur creator JESUS Christ a wicked person ? Becos he asked you not to go fight any one !
Christ is ur lord and personal saviour ! He has prepared a place for you in HEAVEN. Please dnt be like the prodigal son cos ur Father Jesus loves you ! Shalom

OYINBOGOJU: Legend Fela has spoken about it 1 Millionth times....

One more way that proved Fela is a Prophet.

Religion is a crime against humanity

Yes i agree with you but sure not Christianity because Christianity isn't a religion but most people practice it as such hence the atrocities inherent in it's practice !
Christ came not to establish a religion but to reveal a life style !

musKeeto: Christianity is a religion... Love for your fellow man isn't.

Anyone can practice love despite his religion.
You don't need religion to have common sense, and a conscience ...

We are called to live a christ like life !
Religion seeks to follow rituals and set down dogmas !
Christ never came to establish a religion but to reveal a life style ! Surprisingly,most people see Christianity as a religion ! But actually,it's not.

Ptolomeus: Dear Brother:
You and I are following the same reasoning.
Christians judge others, but they forget their essence and their bible.
Christianity has doctina own, they quote the Bible but do not know, they imitate Jewish , Christian and traditionalist ceremonies ..
Orthodox Jews still today approve human sacrifcios!
Very good post, dear friend!

Are orthodox jews Christians ?You guys dnt know what Christianity is.Go through the teachings of our lord Jesus and come back to tell me that animal blood sacrifices can be practiced by Christians.

Who told you these people,group,cult,religious sects etc killing people were Christians ? The people who crucified our lord Jesus Christ were they also Christians ? The devil only made the people who claim to be followers of Christ and may be some of you also believe you are all Christians ! The Christ i follow never killed any one ! He never admonished or instructed HIS disciples to kill.And i follow HIS foot steps then i can confidently tell you that i'm a christian ! I'm not a fetish/devilish traditionalist or some kind of ignorant fools who said there is no God ! No offence man-Shalom

Ptolomeus: PLASTERMAN
Poorly educate sir:
I did not publish photos of drought. The hands are not chained drought ... You lied constantly, you disrespected me, as I wrote about education. You published something false, demonstrated that you are a coward. You have not had the guts or arguments to defend your religion. You've been a fool, because I proved that their religion has always been the most murderous, cruel and discriminating in all. Christians should be ashamed of liars and phonies like you in the ranks.
I repeat to you: your religion is to blame for the deplorable situation in Africa at all levels. You are a servant of the slavers, a mindless.

Formally asked the moderators to remove his false post, and I keep waiting for your apology, if you have at least some dignity.

BY CHRISTIAN INVESTMENT IN WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION.[/quote]Who told you these people,group,cult,religious sects etc killing people were Christians ? The people who crucified our lord Jesus Christ were they also Christians ? The devil only made the people who claim to be followers of Christ and may be some of you also believe you are all Christians ! The Christ i follow never killed any one ! He never admonished or instructed HIS disciples to kill.And i follow HIS foot steps then i can confidently tell you that i'm a christian ! I'm not a fetish/devilish traditionalist or some kind of ignorant fools who said there is no God ! No offence man-Shalom

[quote author=PAGAN 9JA]ahahahahahahahh NOW BLAME YOUR PROBLEMS ON US PAGANS! so where the witch burnings of europe done by Pagans or Pagan influence, 1000 years after the death of euopean tribes and Paganism was the spanish nd portugues inquisitions that tortured millions of people around the world, on the order of the pope, also influenced by us Pagans

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christian priests supervising torture victim under the law of Heretic Perversy[/quote]Who told you these people,group,cult,religious sects etc killing people were Christians ? The devil only made them and you also believe they were all Christians. The Christ i follow never killed any one ! He never admonished or instructed HIS disciples to kill.And i follow HIS foot steps then i can confidently tell you that i'm a christian ! I'm not a fetish/devilish traditionalist or some kind of ignorant fools who said there is no God ! No offence man-Shalom

Revolva: Truth talk jare don't mind all of them even the written text book they have read about history is partially correct .the westerners jave elements they put together in education to confuse us also - to also make us believe that there were slave trades existing before they came - haba lies --africa is lost in his own history

Who told you these people,group,cult,religious sects etc killing people were Christians ? The devil only made them and you also believe they were all Christians. The Christ i follow never killed any one ! He never admonished or instructed HIS disciples to kill.And i follow HIS foot steps then i can confidently tell you that i'm a christian ! I'm not a fetish/devilish traditionalist or some kind of ignorant fools who said there is no God ! No offence man-Shalom

Ptolomeus: Excellent remark!
Historically, killing in the name of "Christ the King" ...

Who told you these people,group,cult,religious sects etc killing people were Christians ? The devil only made them and you also believe they were all Christians. The Christ i follow never killed any one ! He never admonished or instructed HIS disciples to kill.And i follow HIS foot steps then i can confidently tell you that i'm a christian ! I'm not a fetish/devilish traditionalist or some kind of ignorant fools who said there is no God ! No offence man-Shalom