Christianity Etc › Re: Would You Be A Worse Person Without Your Religion? by mmsen: 9:32pm On Nov 24, 2017*. Modified: 11:12pm On Nov 24, 2017 |
DoctorAlien: Nope. I have only proven that as a Christian, my worldview is rational in that objective moral values exist, and they necessarily rest on the authority of God, the universal moral Arbiter. As a Christian, only Jehovah exists to prescribe moral values to me. It would make no sense to say that objective moral values exist, while still denying the existence of a universal moral Arbiter. Your worldview is not 'rational', nor is it objective if you need to keep qualifying your statements with 'as a Christian'. 2+2=4 whether you are an elephant, cow, donkey or Christian. That is objective. Your statements of opinion are not fact. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Would You Be A Worse Person Without Your Religion? by mmsen: 7:41pm On Nov 24, 2017 |
DoctorAlien: To a Christian like me, Allah and Vishnu/Verdes does not exist. Jehovah alone is God, and He alone is qualified to be the universal moral arbiter. You have just supported the argument that you were trying to counter. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Would You Be A Worse Person Without Your Religion? by mmsen: 7:35pm On Nov 24, 2017*. Modified: 11:11pm On Nov 24, 2017 |
DoctorAlien: The issue of slavery usually conjures up thoughts of the harsh “race-based” slavery that was common by Europeans toward those of African descent in the latter few centuries. However, slavery has a much longer history and needs to be addressed biblically.1
Some “white”2 Christians have used the Bible to convince themselves that owning slaves is okay and that slaves should obey their “earthly masters.” Regrettably and shamefully, “white” Christians have frequently taken verses of Scripture out of context to justify the most despicable acts. In some cases, it could be argued that these people were not really Christians; they were not really born again but were adhering to a form of Christianity for traditional or national reasons. Nevertheless, we have to concede that there are genuine “white” Christians who have believed the vilest calumnies about the nature of “black” people and have sought support for their disgraceful views from the pages of the Bible.
But what does the Bible really teach?
Greek and Hebrew Words for “Slave” The Hebrew and Greek words used for “slave” are also the same words used for “servant” and “bondservant,” as shown by the following table.
Greek and Hebrew Words for Slave In essence, there are two kinds of slavery described in the Bible: a servant or bondservant who was paid a wage, and the enslavement of an individual without pay. Which types of “slavery” did the Bible condemn?
A Brief History of Slavery It is important to note that neither slavery in New Testament times nor slavery under the Mosaic Covenant have anything to do with the sort of slavery where “black” people were bought and sold as property by “white” people in the well-known slave trade of the last few centuries. No “white” Christian should think that he or she could use any slightly positive comment about slavery in this chapter to justify the historic slave trade, which is still a major stain on the histories of both the United States and the UK.
The United States and the UK were not the only countries in history to delve into harsh slavery and so be stained.
The Code of Hammurabi discussed slavery soon after 2242 BC (the date assigned by Archbishop Ussher to the Tower of Babel incident). Ham’s son Mizraim founded Egypt (still called Mizraim in Hebrew). Egypt was the first well-documented nation in the Bible to have harsh slavery, which was imposed on Joseph, the son of Israel, in 1728 BC (according to Archbishop Ussher). Later, the Egyptians were slave masters to the rest of the Israelites until Moses, by the hand of God, freed them. The Israelites were again enslaved by Assyrian and Babylonian captors about 1,000 years later. “Black” Moors enslaved “whites” during their conquering of Spain and Portugal on the Iberian Peninsula in the eighth century AD for over 400 years. The Moors even took slaves as far north as Scandinavia. The Moorish and Middle Eastern slave market was quite extensive. Norse raiders of Scandinavia enslaved other European peoples and took them back as property beginning in the eighth century AD. Even in modern times, slavery is still alive, such as in the Sudan and Darfur. We find many other examples of harsh slavery from cultures throughout the world. At any rate, these few examples indicate that harsh slavery was/is a reality, and, in all cases, is an unacceptable act by biblical standards (as we will see).
The extreme kindness to be shown to slaves/servants commanded in the Bible among the Israelites was often prefaced by a reminder that they too were slaves at the hand of the Egyptians. In other words, they were to treat slaves/servants in a way that they wanted to be treated.
Slavery in the Bible But was slavery in the Bible the same as harsh slavery? For example, slaves and masters are addressed in Paul’s epistles. The term “slave” in Ephesians 6:5 is better translated “bondservant.” The Bible in no way gives full support to the practice of bondservants, who were certainly not paid the first century equivalent of the minimum wage. Nevertheless, they were paid something (Colossians 4:1) and were therefore in a state more akin to a lifetime employment contract rather than “racial” slavery. Moreover, Paul gives clear instructions that Christian “masters” are to treat such people with respect and as equals. Their employment position did not affect their standing in the Church.
Other passages in Leviticus show us the importance of treating “aliens” and foreigners well, and how, if they believe, they become part of the people of God (for example, Rahab and Ruth, to name but two). Also, the existence of slavery in Leviticus 25 underlines the importance of redemption, and enables the New Testament writers to point out that we are slaves to sin, but are redeemed by the blood of Jesus. Such slavery is a living allegory, and does not justify the race-based form of slavery practiced from about the 16th to 19th centuries.
As we already know, harsh slavery was common in the Middle East as far back as ancient Egypt. If God had simply ignored it, then there would have been no rules for the treatment of slaves/bondservants, and people could have treated them harshly with no rights. But the God-given rights and rules for their protection showed that God cared for them as well.
This is often misconstrued as an endorsement of harsh slavery, which it is not. God listed slave traders among the worst of sinners in 1 Timothy 1:10 (“kidnappers/men stealers/slave traders”). This is no new teaching, as Moses was not fond of forced slavery either:
He who kidnaps a man and sells him, or if he is found in his hand, shall surely be put to death. (Exodus 21:16) In fact, take note of the punishment of Egypt, when the Lord freed the Israelites (Exodus 3–15). God predicted this punishment well in advance:
Then He said to Abram: “Know certainly that your descendants will be strangers in a land that is not theirs, and will serve them, and they will afflict them four hundred years. And also the nation whom they serve I will judge; afterward they shall come out with great possessions.” (Genesis 15:13–14) Had God not protected slaves/bondservants by such commands, then many people surrounding them who did have harsh slavery would have loved to move in where there were no governing principles as to the treatment of slaves. It would have given a “green light” to slave owners from neighboring areas to come and settle there. But with the rules in place, it discouraged such slavery in their realm.
In fact, the laws and regulations over slavery are a sure sign that slavery isn’t good in the same way the Law came to expose and limit sin (Romans 5:13). One reverend explained it this way:
In giving laws to regulate slavery, God is not saying it is a good thing. In fact, by giving laws about it at all, He is plainly stating it is a bad thing. We don’t make laws to limit or regulate good things. After all, you won’t find laws that tell us it is wrong to be too healthy or that if water is too clean we have to add pollution to it. Therefore, the fact slavery is included in the regulations of the Old Testament at all assumes that it is a bad thing which needs regulation to prevent the damage from being too great.3 You can write all of the excuses that you wish but if the authors of the Bible had any real sense of morality, or basic human empathy, they would have expressed it in their beloved prose by prohibiting slavery not rationalizing or regulating it. When your religiously motivated politicians are against abortion do they ban it, or do they regulate it? How about birth control? Prostitution? |
Health › Re: India And Not Nigeria Is The Worlds Capital Of Open Defecation by mmsen: 4:00pm On Nov 24, 2017 |
AfriAskMen: You are the real dumbass here... Nigeria is 5th in terms of open defacation and the guy was complaining... you lack reading comprehension. Your mother's a dumbass. She should have swallowed. |
Health › Re: India And Not Nigeria Is The Worlds Capital Of Open Defecation by mmsen: 12:53pm On Nov 24, 2017*. Modified: 1:14pm On Nov 24, 2017 |
expensiveguyman: Dis country self, always appear among top 10 Nations in every negative news. But if it's a positive news ehh! it will be nowhere to be found. What a useless nation You dumbass. Did you even read the article or look at the list of nations? |
Health › Re: India And Not Nigeria Is The Worlds Capital Of Open Defecation by mmsen: 12:52pm On Nov 24, 2017 |
This has been known.
It's only because Nigerians are too stupid to ask question that they assume that every bad is exclusively Nigerian or that Nigeria is the worst for everything. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Would You Be A Worse Person Without Your Religion? by mmsen: 12:01pm On Nov 24, 2017 |
DoctorAlien: Did you know that some people willingly gave themselves to other people to be their slaves? While slavery was not God's plan, it happened that it came into existence. The same is true of polygamy. The fact that God is not in support of maltreatment is attested to by His laying down rules guiding how slaves should be treated with love and kindness.
Jephthah never did a human sacrifice with his daughter. She simply was devoted to the service of God all her life, and never married.
You liar, God killed Onan because he "masturbated" i.e. he slept with his brother's wife but spilled the seed on the ground. He refused to give his dead brother a child. Where did the Bible say that Onan was killed because of incest?
Yes, God commanded the annihilation of wicked people. People who sacrifice their children to idols surely deserve judgment. How can your god be all powerful when so many things happen which are not 'in his plan'? |
Christianity Etc › Re: Would You Be A Worse Person Without Your Religion? by mmsen: 11:39am On Nov 24, 2017 |
DoctorAlien: Prove that according to the Bible, all the things you listed above are fine.
When I present my arguments, I do so as a Christian, and not a religionist who maybe is trying to defend all of what is called religion. I argue for Christianity, and so you may do well not to mention Islam to me. Slaves, be obedient to those who are your masters according to the flesh, with fear and trembling, in the sincerity of your heart, as to Christ; not by way of eyeservice, as men-pleasers, but as slaves of Christ, doing the will of God from the heart. With good will render service, as to the Lord, and not to men, knowing that whatever good thing each one does, this he will receive back from the Lord, whether slave or free. Ephesians 6:5-8When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl’s owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment. (Exodus 21:7-11)You may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. Leviticus 25:44-46 If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her. (Deuteronomy 22:28-29)If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them: Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place; And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard. And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die. Deuteronomy 21:18-21He who withholds his rod hates his son, But he who loves him disciplines him diligently. (Proverbs 13:24) |
Christianity Etc › Re: Would You Be A Worse Person Without Your Religion? by mmsen: 11:01am On Nov 24, 2017*. Modified: 7:30pm On Nov 24, 2017 |
DoctorAlien: You don't get it do you?
The issue is not whether I can do good acts without God; it is that without God:
1. There is nobody or group of persons to reveal what is objectively good. Whenever a person or group of persons says that a thing is good, they would be merely expressing their own opinion, which is by no means superior to any contrary opinion another person or group of persons might have.
2. There would be no objective reason to do good acts, or to avoid bad acts(that is if such things as "good" acts and "bad" acts can exist without God.)
Thus, if I throw God out of the picture, it would make no sense for me to say that I am doing good acts, or that I am a good person, because then I would have become "righteous in my own sight." According to the Quran and the Bible slavery is fine. Domestic abuse is acceptable. Rape is acceptable. Child abuse is acceptable. Meanwhile birth control is a problem. Religion provides the most useless moral framework and that is why the most religious societies are also the most chaotic. |
Politics › Re: South-South & South-East Roads Worst In The Country — FG by mmsen: 10:58am On Nov 24, 2017 |
BeeBeeOoh: Africans lack maintenance culture, but as for APC, I no get strength to talk Get something chilled and wait for them, in no distant time they will be here Africans don't lack a maintenance culture, afterall many of the churches and mosques are well tended to. What many Africans lack is a sense of reason, order or priorities. Roads are essential. Rail is essential. Water is essential. Power is essential. Hospitals are essential. Churches, mosques and pilgrimages are not. |
Career › Re: Nigerian Retirees Vs European Retirees In Photos by mmsen: 4:15pm On Nov 22, 2017 |
How many children do each of those retirees have? How much are their respective governments having to spend on maintaining the younger population?
What does each society say about 'respecting elders'? Holding leaders to account? Self-respect and self-esteem?
Once you answer those questions you will see this happens.
And OP, I'm sure you are part of the problem. Most of you Nigerians are. |
Politics › Re: North Central Governors Endorse Buhari For 2019 by mmsen: 11:35am On Nov 22, 2017 |
The dumbest people on the planet. |
Culture › Re: Lady Makes Shorts With "Isi Agu": "This Is A Total Disrespect To Our Culture" by mmsen: 6:20pm On Nov 20, 2017 |
Forever bickering over nonsense.
The shorts look fine.
It isn't 'disrespect', disrespect would be using the print to make toilet paper. |
Islam › Re: Excellent Qualities Of Islam. by mmsen: 7:26pm On Nov 19, 2017 |
Laple0541: So, two young Saudi BLOGGERS are now a better reference on provision of reliable per capital income and poverty index of a country than the world bank? I REST MY CASE. No, you bozo. There are two articles from credible news outlets. How did you skip the links and jump to the reference of two bloggers? Your argument that there is no poverty in an Islamic society yet somehow posted a link admitting that is not true. You seem very good at missing the point. Maybe you should focus on rational thought instead of religious dogma. |
Culture › Re: Bini Are Original Owners Of Lagos, Not Yoruba – Layi Ajayi-Bembe by mmsen: 6:22pm On Nov 19, 2017*. Modified: 2:09pm On Nov 20, 2017 |
FisifunKododada: Yet Wyoming will not allow California to lay claim of its land. So why should a Nigerian tribe allow another tribe to claim its land?
Corruption is everywhere but its more devastating to a country that is already MOSTLY poor.
Chinese, Europeans and Americans are all rooted in their past. Its not an African issue alone and its definitely not the problem.
Every tribe in Nigeria knows the extent of their territory. Its only the trouble makers that enjoy yearning dust about land ownership. It is a problem when the past is rooted in a failure to document or to resolve issues without engaging outsiders. Until Africans learn that informal, undocumented systems of management lead to chaos and unaccountability we will keep talking about land disputes. This nonsense should have been left in the 20th century. Europeans and Americans have clear land deeds and titles which state who owns the land. For some reason many Africans seem to think that they are above pieces of paper, or records. This is the cause of much of the confusion on the continent and the reason for a lot of conflict. And this is why I often argue that Africans agitate for the wrong things. Public records and documentation are important. Religion is not. And yet one takes primacy in Africa and the other is ignored. |
Culture › Re: Bini Are Original Owners Of Lagos, Not Yoruba – Layi Ajayi-Bembe by mmsen: 4:44pm On Nov 19, 2017 |
FisifunKododada: Go to Wyoming in America and tell them the land belongs to California - see how they will throw you out forcefully without hesitation. Traditional land ownership is a world wide phenomenon. Africa's problems are caused by corruption and inept leadership. Wyoming is a different state and they have private land ownership. That's an odd comparison. Corruption is everywhere. Africans are too rooted to their nonsensical past to see the potential of their future. Traditional, undocumented land ownership is a recipe for chaos and unnecessary disputes. Make it clear who owns the land on paper - whether it is held on trust or by an individual. Land being held on say so is stupid. Especially within a sovereign country, which Nigeria is and which these tribes are not. |
Foreign Affairs › Re: Robert Mugabe On Hunger Strike; Refuses To Eat For 2 Days; Vows To Die by mmsen: 12:35pm On Nov 19, 2017 |
Let him die.
Likewise most of Africa's useless 'elders'. |
Culture › Re: Bini Are Original Owners Of Lagos, Not Yoruba – Layi Ajayi-Bembe by mmsen: 11:47am On Nov 19, 2017 |
All this 'traditional' land ownership is part of the reason as to why Africa has so many problems. |
Islam › Re: Excellent Qualities Of Islam. by mmsen: 8:14am On Nov 19, 2017 |
Laple0541: It's obvious you don't know what you are talking about and my subsequent response to your comments on this matter is dimmed a futile effort. 25% of Saudi population is not living below poverty. Check the cited reference.
http://english.alarabiya.net/en/business/economy/2013/11/03/Kingdom-has-tenth-lowest-poverty-rate-worldwide-says-World-Bank.html 1. Your argument was that there is NO poverty in an Islamic society. Even the link that you have posted claims that over 10% the population live in poverty. 2. Saudi Arabia has admitted that they have an issue with poverty as evidenced by their actions. Under King Abdullah, the Saudi government has spent billions to help the growing numbers of poor, estimated to be as much as a quarter of the native Saudi population. But critics complain that those programmes are inadequate, and that some royals seem more concerned with the country's image than with helping the needy. In 2011, for example, three Saudi video bloggers were jailed for two weeks after they made an online film about poverty in Saudi Arabia.https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jan/01/saudi-arabia-riyadh-poverty-inequality3. People have been sent to prison for trying to expose the widespread issue of poverty in Saudi Arabia. A nation that sends people to prison for exposing a problem is not likely to fully admit to the extent of the problem. “Two young Saudi bloggers were sent to jail for fifteen days after uploading a ten-minute documentary on poverty in Riyadh, the capital of one of the richest petro-states in the Gulf.”
In their video, they point out that “over the past 27 years Saudi Arabia has donated 56 billion euros to developing countries, while 22% the country's own citizens were reportedly living in relative poverty in 2009 (local media put the number at 30% in 2008).”
Unfortunately, the documentary cannot be viewed as the site has been terminated - the conservative Kingdom is well known for its ruthless censorship. About the authors, both bloggers were arrested and held for two weeks. There is still no exact record of their crime or why they were held for so long.https://www.albawaba.com/news/saudi-arabia-poverty-world-bank-531214 |
Islam › Re: Excellent Qualities Of Islam. by mmsen: 9:17pm On Nov 18, 2017 |
Laple0541: So there is poverty in Saudi Arabia if I may ask?....seems there is another definition for poverty in your dictionary. Go and read about other countries you made mention of (Indonesia, Yemen, Pakistan, Bangla) to know the system of government that operates there. All except Saudi is Democratic. Yes, about a quarter of the Saudi population live in poverty. |
Islam › Re: Excellent Qualities Of Islam. by mmsen: 11:35am On Nov 18, 2017 |
Laple0541: Did we really have autonomous islamic societies around us! Absolutely no, most people that portray themselves around us as muslims are not really muslims but are people who are looking for what to eat, if you see a real Islamic society, you will never see poverty there. Is Saudi Arabia not a 'real Islamic society'? How about Yemen? Indonesia? Pakistan? Bangladesh? Or are you claiming that real Muslims do not exist? If so why was the prophet not able to eradicate poverty when he was alive in the places in which he lived? Or in the territory that was subsequently captured by himself and his predecessors? |
Education › Re: Teacher From Sokoto State And His English On Facebook (Photos) by mmsen: 2:34am On Nov 18, 2017 |
quiverfull: The fundamental misjudgment we've made as a country is to assume everyone is cut out for the formal education. Some of these peeps up north will do well as semi skilled artisans. And the North needs not compete with the South by forcing their people to be educated; they should concentrate on their strength and focus on agriculture. Agriculture in the 21st century is dependent upon technology. They would need a basic education to use such. It appears that they aren't even getting that much. |
Islam › Re: Excellent Qualities Of Islam. by mmsen: 5:08pm On Nov 17, 2017 |
personal59: this is simply because people refuse to pay zakat and those who pay give it to the wrong people
all in all Almighty Allah will judge them all
they have forgotten all this hadith
Narrated Abu Huraira : Allah ' s Apostle said , " Whoever is made wealthy by Allah and does not pay the Zakat of his wealth, then on the Day of Resurrection his wealth will be made like a bald- headed poisonous male snake with two black spots over the eyes. The snake will encircle his neck and bite his cheeks and say , ' I am your wealth, I am your treasure .' " Then the Prophet recited the holy verses: -- ' Let not those who withhold . . . ' ( to the end of the verse ) . ( 3.180 ) . Sahih Bukhari - ( Book # 24, Hadith # 486)
Narrated Abu Huraira : Allah ' s Apostle said , " Anyone whom Allah has given wealth but he does not pay its Zakat, then , on the Day of Resurrection, his wealth will be presented to him in the shape of a bald- headed poisonous male snake with two poisonous glands in its mouth and it will encircle itself round his neck and bite him over his cheeks and say , " I am your wealth; I am your treasure. " Then the Prophet recited this Divine Verse: -- " And let not those who covetously withhold of that which Allah has bestowed upon them of His Bounty ." ( 3.180 ) Sahih Bukhari - ( Book # 60, Hadith # 88)
Narrated Abu Dhar : Once I went to him ( the Prophet ) and he said , " By Allah in Whose Hands my life is ( or probably said , ' By Allah , except Whom none has the right to be worshipped ) whoever had camels or cows or sheep and did not pay their Zakat , those animals will be brought on the Day of Resurrection far bigger and fatter than before and they will tread him under their hooves , and will butt him with their horns , and ( those animals will come in circle ) : When the last does its turn , the first will start again , and this punishment will go on till Allah has finished the judgments amongst the people ." Sahih Bukhari - ( Book # 24, Hadith # 539)
Abu Huraira reported Allah ' s Messenger ( way peace be upon him ) as saying : If any owner of gold or silver does not pay what is due on him , when the Day of Resurrection would come, plates of fire would be beaten out for him; these would then be heated in the fire of Hell and his sides, his forehead and his back would be cauterized with them . Whenever these cool down, ( the process is ) repeated during a day the extent of which would be fifty thousand years, until judgment is pronounced among servants , and he sees whether his path is to take him to Paradise or to Hell . It was said : Messenger of Allah, what about the camel ? He ( the Holy Prophet ) said : If any owner of the camel does not pay what is due on him , and of his due in that ( camel ) is ( also ) to milk it on the day when it comes down to water . When the Day of Resurrection comes a soft sandy plain would be set for him, as extensive as possible, ( he will find ) that not a single young one is missing , and they will trample him with their hoofs and bite him with their mouths. As often as the first of them passes him , the last of them would be made to return during a day the extent of which would be fifty thousand years, until judgment is pronounced among servants and he sees whether his path is to take him to Paradise or to Hell . It was ( again ) said : Messenger of Allah , what about cows ( cattle ) and sheep ? He said : It any owner of the cattle and sheep does not pay what is due on them , when the Day of Resurrection comes a soft sandy plain would be spread for them , he will find none of them missing , with twisted horns , without horns or with a broken horn, and they will gore him with their horns and trample him with their hoofs. As often as the first of them passes him the last of them would be made to return to him during a day the extent of which would be fifty thousand years, until judgment would be pronounced among the servants . And he would be shown his path- path leading him to Paradise or to Hell . It was said : Messenger of Allah , what about the horse ? Upon this he said : The horses are of three types. To one than ( these are ) a burden , and to another man ( these are ) a covering, and still to another man ( these are) a source of reward . The one for whom these are a burden is the person who rears them in order to show off , for vainglory and for opposing the Muslims; so they are a burden for him . The one for whom these are a covering is the person who rears them for the sake of Allah but does not forget the right of Allah concerning their backs and their necks, and so they are a covering for him . As for those which bring reward ( these refer to ) the person who rears them for the sake of Allah to be used for Muslims and he puts them in meadow and field . And whatever thing do these eat from that meadow and field would be recorded on his behalf as good deeds , as would also the amount of their dung and urine . And these would not break their halter and prance a course or two without having got recorded the amount of their hoof marks and their dung as a good deed on his behalf ( on behalf of their owner) . And their master does not bring them past a river from which they drink , though he did not intend to quench their thirst , but Allah would record for him the amount of what they drink on his behalf as deeds. It was said : Messenger of Allah , what about the asses? , Upon this he said : Nothing has been revealed to me in regard to the asses ( in particular ) except this one verse of a comprehensive nature : " He who does an atom ' s weight of good will see it , and he who does an atom' s weight of evil will see it " ( xcix. 7) Sahih Muslim - ( Book # 005 , Hadith #2161 ) You don't get it. Zakat and other forms of charity are only necessary in a unequal society. If Islam is so wonderful why have they not dealt with the cause of the inequality? |
Islam › Re: Excellent Qualities Of Islam. by mmsen: 2:39pm On Nov 17, 2017 |
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Islam › Re: Excellent Qualities Of Islam. by mmsen: 12:02pm On Nov 17, 2017*. Modified: 2:38pm On Nov 17, 2017 |
Charity is not particular to Islam.
And if Islam is so wonderful why have they not eradicated poverty from Islamic societies so that charity becomes unnecessary? |
Politics › Re: "Steal Public Money, Go To Jail" - President Buhari Tells Nigerians by mmsen: 10:29am On Nov 17, 2017 |
sholla20: I wish i have the chance to meet the president and ask him how many persons have been convicted since his administration came into power,all we hear is "recovered funds",abi na the money develop wings to fly on their own. Mtcheeeew Recovered funds and yet record borrowing. And no budget. |
Politics › Re: "Steal Public Money, Go To Jail" - President Buhari Tells Nigerians by mmsen: 10:27am On Nov 17, 2017 |
Is he going to jail his party leader? |
Christianity Etc › Re: What Is Religious Extremism? Difference Between Moderate And Extreme. by mmsen: 10:26am On Nov 17, 2017 |
Rashduct4luv: What is the Population of the Muslims in the world? About 2.18 Billion
how many are terrorists? less than 0.00663%
What is the population of the Muslims in Nigeria? Lets assume 80 Million
how many are terrorists? Less than 40,000
Have you tried to google Christian terrorist before? I know you wouldn't. But they Exist.
Do we have terrorist Atheist? of cos they exist!
Google up! You are ducking the issue. No one cares what Atheists do - they are not a block of people who base their actions on one book or one man. We've already established that xtianity is stupid. Why do you keep using another senseless creed to explain the actions of Muslims? From where do these Islamic fundamentalists draw their inspiration? How do they justify their actions? |
Christianity Etc › Re: What Is Religious Extremism? Difference Between Moderate And Extreme. by mmsen: 8:48am On Nov 17, 2017 |
Rashduct4luv: First and foremost, i can say you are not a good statistician! How can you judge Islam based on the north only when we have millions of Muslims in other parts? Do you mean not even one of the Millions of Muslims outside the north can blow himself up?
It does not Matter if i keep explaining to you, i know you stance wont change. You have a bad attitude towards Islam and only Allah is the changer of Hearts.
It is forbidden in Islam to commit suicide. If you want to really know more, type on google "Islamic ruling of suicide'' and you will see.
People spread false rumor and gullible people believe it without concrete evidence! It is forbidden for Muslims to commit suicide and yet from Asia, through to the Middle East and Africa Muslims have done so in the name of Jihad. Are you saying that all of these men and women have been misled? |
Christianity Etc › Re: What Is Religious Extremism? Difference Between Moderate And Extreme. by mmsen: 7:36am On Nov 17, 2017 |
Tozara: [color=#000050]Lol. The guy is right. Jihad doesn't always mean violence, neither is violence the bulk of it. The violence part is within the realm of the state, but of course, if you're living among infidels that have contempt for Islam and the way of life Allah has mandated, it's incumbent on you as Muslims to establish an Islamic State that follows Islamic teachings, and convert the infidels to Islam, or have them face the wrath of Allah for their evil and iniquitous ways.[/color] You claim that the point is wrong then support the very same argument with your comment. Can you see that? Re-read what you wrote please and you will come to see that you have agreed with the comment that you quoted. Islam and violence go hand in hand, you have just admitted so. |
Christianity Etc › Re: What Is Religious Extremism? Difference Between Moderate And Extreme. by mmsen: 9:30pm On Nov 16, 2017 |
mujahid777: Islam was NEVER spread with forced conversions like you are falsely trying to imply-thats a clear historical fact. Yes,many Muslim nations were conquered by Arabs who ,naturally,will bring their religion along;just the same way most present day xtain nations were conquered by European powers whose influence led to the influx of xtianity.It took centuries for those countries to become Muslim majority. Jihad,when in reference to war is called ghazwa.You're intent on trying to paint it evil by giving it the violence tag Two contradictory statements. Conquering people suggests violence and threats of violence. And you cannot justify the evil of Muslims by bringing up the evil done by xtians. Both are repugnant. |
Christianity Etc › Re: What Is Religious Extremism? Difference Between Moderate And Extreme. by mmsen: 7:54pm On Nov 16, 2017 |
mujahid777: There is Jihad al-nafs,the Jihad against our lower desires,and jihad al-Shaytaan,the Jihad against the insinuations of satans. Inevitably,all Muslims are constantly engaging in such a battle.The war aspect lies within the realms of the Islamic state;Obviously,it doesn't constitute it's bulk. Can you elucidate more on your last statement  Those 'jihads' are qualified by their appendices. 'Jihad' on its own usually refers to war. Without violently robbing the caravans destined for Mecca the early Muslims could not have sustained themselves. Without the wars of conquest Islam would not have spread to other parts of the Middle East, north Africa, south eastern Europe and central Asia. Without violence Islam would not have spread to northern Nigeria. Islam and violence are (at the very least) first cousins, if not fraternal twins. |