₦airaland Forum

rhymz:
For the pretenders and morally bankrupt supporters of the nepotistic Ex-general hypocritically shouting corruption and change, here is the true test of our Democratic ideal. While you lot are very comfortable choosing which acts amount to corruption, some other people won't be tricked into such gimmick with all that side distraction with Osibanjo and Buhari going to church.

This here is the true test of his integrity, the Nigerian electoral laws will not be bent or circumvented because the person involved is a man that has been evemerized into some mythological character with unimaginable supernatural god-like abilities that border on sentiments ascribed to a man who in real life is a product of subversion of due process and nepotistic considerations. He has for so long relied on such mediocrity to the point it has become his own truth and his gang of "political Evemerists" that are busy creating a myth out of a nonentity with a misplaced sense of entitlement and messianic fever. Nigerians won't let you get away with your mediocrity, it should be sounded to this group of mischievous political salesmen and evemerists trying to sell us a damaged product.

easy bro...you are compounding his problem.
#buharishowyourcertificate

dazdilijae:
Thank God 4 FOI bill now we can truly ask questions and expect answers

yes o. Especially the ones people don't want to answer,and yet wants it "to be sorted out one way or the other".

Rosarie:
first year of marriage has a lot of challenges but dose her words re deep cos as a wife na she suppose dey pray for y n again she hails from a stipud home but in all i blame u cos GOD will nvs ever lead u on a rong path.GOD DDID NOT GIVE A GO AHEAD N AM SURE U HAD PRE MARITAL SEX HE HATES SIN N WILL ALLOW U MAKE UR DESICIONS.MARRIAGE IS SUPPOSE TO B A BLISS

see condemnation!!!

LeslieChow:
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Come on, don't tell me you didn't under that analogy. He was simply trying to tell you how the old can work with the new to provide a perfect synergy. It has nothing to do with comparing Nigeria to a/his village.

If history (which is a detailed event of past/old occurrences) was not an important tool for futuristic evaluation, we wouldn't have any need for it. My 2 cents.

yes,people make analogy,but there are ones that doesn't fit.
we only have minimum age for this position in question. Just tell us what the candidate is capable of,not saying its because he is old.
My grand dad is older.

Aksonman:
A moving force in Igboland? Fr Mbaka? Go and have a chat with Chimaroke Nnamani.

my dear,tell them. We have precedents on Mbaka's political stance.
Most christians are not catholics,and most catholics don't mind his political talks. Tho he's respected as a priest.

Just to support GMB,someone above me compared NIGERIA to his VILLAGE. An imperfect analogy that was. Nigeria don suffer sha

eleven:
For me FFK and Fr Mbaka are in the same category as men who are not credible, no shame, without honour and integrity.

If you celebrate Fr Mbaka latest statement for Buhari and condemn FFK for the same fact that he was against Jonathan before, you are not different from both of them.

gbam gbammer gbammest!!! U just spoke my mind bro

ultimatetboy:
But the Transformation will be done by GMB!

depends on who wins in february,but know that the story cannot be told THEN without alluding to this present transformation agenda. That's the sad truth

Beamborla:
Change? If indeed it is a change, why now? I would see it as a change if no one would benefit from it

somebody must benefit from a change anytime

Beamborla:
So he used his affidavit on three different occasions and was endorsed by INEC. Why is it that there is no one persecuting INEC about this? If really the original must be submitted, why did they endorse him before and now they are screaming 'bring your result'? Mtcheeew! there is no truth is this country at all. And it breaks my heart to see that very few people can read between the lines. Is it not this same INEC that will conduct the election?

the change we preach so much about has finally come to INEC

Truth24:
If Buhari submitted his certificates in d last 3 elections he contested, why is his certificates now with d military.... Smh for APC and dier dull brains...
#Gej till Buhari finish his secondary school

good question.

proffemi:
If you had read my initial posts more carefully, you wouldn't need to ask this question. I did not realize my stance appeared ambiguous (my first sentence ended with "...the law is the law". For the avoidance of doubt, if Buhari does not meet the minimum requirement to contest for the office of president, I would not speak in favor of his eligibility because he would not be eligible.

How does that change the dynamics of our discussion?

ok. Thanks for the answer.
Now,the problem I told u that are more serious than corruption and needs immediate solution are the bedrock of our governmental policies. Example, our loosed and peculiar federalism,our federal character,our bogus govt bodies and functionaries,our idea of national resources,the quota system.
Then the admistration level which are also an offshoot of the first problem because that's where the policies are activated in line with the faulty policies.
Then the average mentality which is a result of how much we have imbibed the faulty system.
If one says he will fight corruption without these and many more sorted out first,the venture will either meet a brickwall or a subtle opposition.
Some of these issues were discussed in the last confab,we still wait for its implementation.

idumuose:
Olukolade isn't the army spokesman.

There is defence spokesman - Olukolade

There is army spokesman

thanks bro

I thought we would be hearing from Brig. General Chris Olukolade on this matter. Who is this new guy?

proffemi:
You keep saying we have a bigger problem than corruption. When I asked, you offered two answers which I thought I countered. You chose not to rebut, but here you are making the same assertion again.

A necessary prerequisite to solving a problem is to have proper grasp of its dimensions and characteristics. To be competent to elect a president, we need to know what that president needs to do (and hence the best man for the job).

May I ask you once again sir, what problem is it that is bigger than corruption? And I beg you in the name of God to either accept a good argument, or put forward a superior one.

hey bro, the last question I left for u is yet unanswered. And let me ask u again,"assuming GMB couldn't tender his school certificate,and it turns out that INEC is about making a decision to disqualify him,will you still speak in favour of his eligibility ?.
Cheers

Demdem:
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Crap. U Av no point neither is there any issue.
Those constitutionally empowered to verify have done their job and no objection, who then are u?
Buhari is on the side of the law and already done the right thing.

the best you can say about people asking questions is that we should await either the military spokesperson's comment on the matter or GMB's coming out clean. I will still remember that I asked question in the years to come.
Ur not heeding advice on invectives is a low point for u. Desist.

[quote author=Demdem post=29456195][/quote]the signs of civilization is tolerance in the main. No name calling/insult please. Except u want to gag us.
The people that are involved may keep quiet as u claim, this issue is still potent even after election date. So it may be more damaging later.
We want the best proof in that criteria,and that's the certificate.
He should do the right thing.

Demdem:

Ur link is very useless at best.
When army speaks, she speaks through his spokesperson. Nothing in ur link suggest such.
Try again.

. I know you will say this. The link quoted a source from which they got the info,which info you can't wish away,because that's what obtains normally. You may choose to wait for the army spokesperson,but until he comes up,we have a faulted claim.

The job in contest is a public office,thus Nigerians have a right to question any shady moves in the MAKING,any doubt created in this issue will be resolved in our favour. It behoves on GMB to answer our questions. We must keep asking questions.

Demdem:

Faulted by who?
Inec? Military? The executive? Judiciary?
By who exactly? Kindly substantiate this with verifiable links.

www.dailytimes.com.ng/article/army-denies-having-buharis-certificate
there is what we,as civilized as we are,should take with a pinch of salt, that is that ones employer or former employer is with his original certificate(even his photocopy) that all he will tender in a new job search is an affidavit.

Themandator:
Ask Buhari if he is going to get rid of quota system if he becomes the president.... There is no corruption that is worst than that.... A qualified person is denied access while another who is less qualified is granted access.....

Ask him if he is going to fight against this thing called federal character and allow only the best to occupy positions.

Nigerians condemn themselves to thinking about corruption in terms of mismanaged funds..... It goes beyond that.

If a man has to bribe his way to beat the quota system would he not recover the expended fund when he gets his way?

my dear. I can't be hoodwinked by the hype about corruption. Because we have a bigger problem than that.

Good move

nduchucks:
I'm sure it is obvious to you and other readers that your post above is very indicative of how dellusional you folks are. You are currently engaged in an exercise if futility with your stance. I'm afraid, your Goodluck will run out for retirement in Otuoke in a few weeks.

hahahaha!!! Please,just follow the argument from the beginning and there won't be any need for ur post above.
Feel free to bring a logical counter to the table. That's how we roll.

Demdem:

So far that section has been fulfilled by virtue of the sworn affidavit. Inec so far has gotten any objection to it. So I ask u, what do u know that Inec doesn't?

the sworn affidavit that has been faulted? We are advocating for strong institutions in this country that will help check improper actions, I also expect people who sincerely want change to break from the hitherto tradition of "anything goes". No longer! GMB as yet is not qualified constitutionally,just know that.
INEC operates on timetable,the deadline for candidate screening hasn't come,until then,INEC and every patriotic citizen has a duty to reject what is unconstitutional.
What I know that INEC doesn't know? Our government is truly the product of the average mentality of the populace. Let us task our government to follow the law.
Now who wants change?

Then the election will be won before 14th february.
Somebody should tell GMB to tender his certificate according to law,because INEC has a timetable.

[quote author=Demdem post=29450147][/quote].
Yes,no law has been breached SO FAR . But he must surely need to fulfil section 131(1) of the constitution before he contests. its that serious.
Tell him to act fast,because INEC has a timetable.

nduchucks:
Lets assume for a minute that a Perjury lawsuit is instituted against Buhari and he loses the case, what is the fine for Perjury? Nothing in the case would be enough to discredit Buhari more than GEJ has already been discredited, nothing in the case gives INEC or any other body the authorization to disqualify him from running for office, or from being removed after he wins.

So you people are simply crying over splilled milk. GEJ is a goner.

he is an ex convict then. Do u know wat that means? And GEJ won't pardon him.

Demdem:

If peeps do not pay for their incompetence, how will others learn? In my world, all forms of failure are frowned out.
If heads don't row within the military because some goons choose not to do their paid job, why should the CinC be excused?

hahahaha, sorry you have been deceived. Infact you are charging in Buhari's electric socket.
Please disconnect urself.
Yes,somebody must pay for this,and the person looking for employment shud bear his cross,that what employers do.

nduchucks:
I don't think an individual can bring a criminal case against anyone, only law enforcement bodies can do that.

A private individual can get a fiat from the AG's office after submitting the required documents and receipts. its called private prosecution.
HNY

Demdem:

In otherwords, u think the military has misplaced the Generals credentials in their disposal right?
This is surely another good reason to heap curses on the CinC under his watch the military can be so useless both at the Battle front and even in the office.
Let the litigations begin biko, it will keep the enemy busy.

we must always have somebody to blame, Nigerians and enemy mentality.

nduchucks:
That perjury case would be impossible to prove, if it ever gets to court. For obvious reasons, individuals cannot bring a criminal case of perjury against Buhari, and I don't see how any law enforcement authority will bring such a charge, in the current political climate.

This issue is a mere distraction from dealing with more important issues which should be addressed by both GEJ and Buhari. We, as a country will suffer for this irresponsible act of distraction.

My own theory is that Buhari's certificate has been lost by the authorities for quite some time. However, the certificate is not an issue because you don't get to rise to the position of a General, successfully pass through several millirary courses (some at the master's level), in Nigeria and abroad, if you do not have the qualifications reflected on the said certificate.

We should be holding Buhari's feet to the fire by demanding that he shares his vision for Nigeria with us in more details, instead of wasting time on this certificate saga. We already know that GEJ is a failure.

An individual can bring a suit against GMB on this issue,it has its procedures.
If u want us to forget this distraction, you might as well toil with constitutional criteria,and it doesn't speak well for the polity.
If he has the certificate required,he should tender it,that's the law.
Let's not make excuses for him, we experience this when looking for employment,unless you runz it,which is corruption

Demdem:

Point of correction. The Generals certificate isn't lost.

amen to that.

nduchucks:
Your points are well taken.

However, as a practical matter, there are no grounds for any legal proceedings against Buhari on the basis of this affidavit. Buhari has done nothing illegal and neither has INEC. Any related lawsuit will be summarily tossed out as frivolous. If you believe otherwise, let us know what the legal grounds for such a lawsuit would be.

This statement by Attorney General Lai Mohammed is quite instructive.

its perjury to lie on oath. If its true that the Military board secretary is not in possession of the said certificate,its perjury.
INEC's legal department and even the AG federation can maintain an action for perjury against him.
And if he ends up not presenting any school certificate as stipulated by section 131(1) of the CFRN,that a bigger issue,cos he is thereby not qualified.
I wish they find the said certificate,GEJ won't have it this easy.