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JUBILEE2000:
if Christ has fulfilled the law why keep it? It is hypocrisy for anyone to keep the part of the law that deals with finances alone and leave the rest. If u must pay tithe u must also stone the adulterer

what I mean is that people that pay tithe also keep the 10commandments,and other parts of the laws of moses. If we should stop paying tithe because its the law,then we might as well stop practicing all the dictates of that law,the commandments inclusive.
When Christ said he is the fulfillment of the law,I take it to mean that he came as was prophesied by the law n prophet as the messaih that will bring down Gods grace enabling us to keep the law without eye service,as people did before.
What do u think?

MarkMiwerds:
I wrote this article yesterday afternoon...

What Is Your Problem?
by Ronald W Robey

Do you tithe 10% of your income to your local Church? Have you “tithed” faithfully for several years and not seen the results that you expected? The Preacher promised you God would “rebuke the devourer” if you would just obey the command to tithe, and yet, you still experience many health problems? Your garden doesn't seem to flourish as well as it should?

Let me ask….

Would you consider not tithing 10% of your income to your Church? Believe it or not, those health problems may be directly connected to your tithing. Your vegetation not flourishing may be directly related to your tithing. Notice:

Deuteronomy 28:35 The LORD shall smite thee in the knees, and in the legs, with a sore botch that cannot be healed, from the sole of thy foot unto the top of thy head.

The above verse, and pretty much the whole chapter beginning at verse 14, is God’s pronouncement of the curses that He gave to the children of Israel for disobedience to His Law. Notice the above verse says the LORD would place a botch (skin cancer) in the knees and legs, even on the whole body because of disobedience to the Law that He handed down to Moses for the children of Israel. And not just botches, but madness, (insanity) blindness, and astonishment of the heart. (confusion)

You may say, “Yes, but I am not under the Law. I am under Grace. Those illnesses and curses cannot apply to me.”

Oh really? Have you considered the following verse?

Galatians 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

Stop and think for a moment. Is not the command to tithe a command in the Mosaic Law? Are you not attempting to keep that one command written in the Law?

But though you attempt to obey God's command to tithe, the fact is, you fail miserably... even when you give 10% of your money faithfully to your local pastor.

Notice the command concerning God's holy tithes. Read it carefully and prayerfully...

Leviticus 27:30 And all the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land, or of the fruit of the tree, is the LORD’S: it is holy unto the LORD.
Leviticus 27:31 And if a man will at all redeem ought of his tithes, he shall add thereto the fifth part thereof.
Leviticus 27:32 And concerning the tithe of the herd, or of the flock, even of whatsoever passeth under the rod, the tenth shall be holy unto the LORD.
Leviticus 27:33 He shall not search whether it be good or bad, neither shall he change it: and if he change it at all, then both it and the change thereof shall be holy; it shall not be redeemed.

The answer is obvious. It is indeed in the Mosaic Law. There is no command for tithes prior to the Mosaic Law being handed down to Moses. Nor is there a command to tithe after the destruction of the Jewish Temple in AD 70.

And the Word of God says if you wish to be under the Law, you must keep the whole Law. (see Gal. 3:10 above) Now realize this...

James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.


When you heard your pastor preach that Malachi 3:8-10 is God command for you to tithe, and you yielded to that message, you placed yourself in the jurisdiction of the Mosaic Law, its blessings, and it’s curses included.

Package deal.

Now, you might think. “But I am tithing, so I am not breaking the Law. Therefore, the curses associated with breaking the Law cannot be applied to my situation.” Again, you would be wrong… for the following two reasons.

1. Galatians 3:10 above says if you place yourself under the Law, you are a debtor to do the whole Law…. not just tithing. You must obey all the commandments contained in the ordinances of the Mosaic Law if you submit to any one of those commandments.

2. James 2:10 states that if we offend in one point of the Law, we are guilty of all the Law. Again, it is a package deal. Even if you were not required to keep the other commandments contained in the ordinances of the Mosaic Law, and the only command you were required to keep was the tithe command, you have still failed miserably.

God said His holy tithes were to be agricultural, not money. (see Leviticus 27:30-33 above) Because you choose to place yourself under the jurisdiction of the Mosaic Law, you break the Law when you attempt to tithe money instead of agricultural produce and livestock as the Law commands.

Further, God said His tithe was to go to the Levites, widows, orphans and strangers dwelling in Canaan, (see Numbers 18:21-28; Deuteronomy 14:28-29) not to pastors of Church's on Gentile soil.

As you can see, it is possible that your skin cancer, your bad knees, your many health problems, may well be a result of your tithing. You have placed yourself under the Law and may be reaping the consequences of disobedience to that Law.

Might be a good time to read Deuteronomy 28 in its entirety to see if any of the other curses might apply to your current situation.

Uh-huh.

Oh, doctors may be able to treat the skin cancer. They may be able to do knee replacement as well. They may even be able to treat many other illnesses you have contracted. But at what cost? Money that your household could have used, money that your neighbor could have used, gone to doctors and hospitals instead.

But we have the Great Physician named Jesus Christ who also has the answer in His Word.

Get out of the house of the Law. You don’t belong there. (Romans 7:1-4) You are married to the One who rose from the dead… act like it! Stop attempting to obey a Law that was never meant for you to obey.(Psalm 147:19-20 )

As long as you remain unfaithful to God, you will remain in His sore displeasure.

It’s either the Law, or it’s Grace. You must choose which you want to live under. But, you cannot have the best of both worlds. In the Law, there is no “best”. The Law brings death because man is unable to keep it in its entirety. Grace brings life and liberty to those to whom God has bestowed it upon.

In Malachi, the entire nation of Israel was under the curse because of the actions of the Priests. Deuteronomy 28 reveals that family and nation alike will be affected by disobedience to the Law.

The Law was never meant for us. Who has bewitched you into placing yourself in its jurisdiction. Make your way to the nearest exit as quickly as possible.

Walk in Grace.

what's ur opinion on the commandments,are they also the laws we shouldn't be under?
Jesus Christ instructed the young rich ruler to keep all the laws,which he replied that he has kept up from his youth.
He also said he hasn't come to abolish the law but to fulfil it.
Are the laws of Moses now a sin under the grace dispensation?

OP is an alarmist.
And they have been doing that since
We are just giving these politicians what they really want,playing their cards for them.
Even the source of this "privileged information" is suspicious.
People are just sending false information to highlight our differences and keep us paranoid.
Its somebody's business.

The reason for the calmness is obvious.
The north doesn't want to win the battle and lose the war.
I discovered that if the urge to riot and maim can be control as its done now,it could have always been controlled before and tomorrow.
Anyway,charlie hebdo was disrespectful in that cartoon,but its not licence to kill.

alaoeri:
Ain't a myopic view but rather a reasonable view which will usher in good regime that will be beneficial to all the masses.

GMB needs your vote,insist on him to comply with the laws and tender his certificates,that's what is reasonable. Ok?

Kenai:
Naah. The real clueless person is a man who served as both the Minister of Petroleum and PTF Chairman for a total of over 6 years, but could be so dumb as to not know that oil price is regulated by global demand-and-supply dynamics, and as such cannot be "stabilized" by a septuagenarian WASC-holder in Nigeria.

There you have it.

on point.

alaoeri:
APC.

no wonder the myopic view.

alaoeri:
TELL AGBAKOBA THAT CHANGE IS INEVITABLE
SAI BUHARI.

what is change in "your" dictionary?

Its better to break up/break someone's heart than to stay put on a non-performing relationship. Not all relationship works.

Charlie hebdo wasn't fair to the muslim faith,but it shouldn't be a cause for killing.
We are in the 21st century.
I wish the muslims in Northern Nigeria don't catch the wild fire.

Bro,you should know that the program has outlived its original purpose of creating solidarity amongst Nigerian youths in the post civil war era.
The main purpose why the present government still sustain the scheme is to "slow down "the multitude of young graduates exiting the school into the labour market,
This is done through
Payment for no work done
Idleness and less work
Government freebies in form of allowee
Even some of ur employers will tell you that there is nothing to do "in this ministry" but just come around ones in a week.

mutter:
When you go to your neighbors house to steal goods, you don`t complain about the quality of the fruits.
When you buy a tree at a very expensive price and plant it in your garden, you go wild if the fruits turn out rotten.

perfect. For those asking why marriage is diff

Prophet suleiman's prophecy comes to mind.
Some a secretly sick.

To the 22 defectors;

People who can't concede defeat,and yet claims to be democratic.
KEEP DEFECTING...

The fact is that the aggressive anti corruption campaign promised by GMB works best in a state of emergency setting,just like the military regime of 1984.
The modern anti corruption campaign is ideological, which will not be of immediate result as against the aggresive fight without strong democratc foundation.

However,for me,corruption can be reduced through policy restructuring in this country. How do u insist that all civil servants in a particular parastatal must have a minimum educational qualification(which is an anti corruption move) whereas the quota system which is part of our constitutional policy doesn't insist on that minimum requirement.
How can we also reduce the financial waste in governance when the constitution makes provision for ministerial positions to benefit all the states and also institutionalizes our bi cameral(duplicated) legislature.
If one takes into consideration the level of poverty in the north(and the consequent hopelessness n frustration and insurgence),the best ideological solution is a compulsory education. Its not of immediate result,but its a guaranteed step for tomorrow.
Let the best candidate emerge.

hasn't it been found since then?

The language of politics is sweet.

gratiaeo:
You are on a long tin.... If you want to know all this things from a coupist

well,I won't write him off so easily, he might have "change"d

imcam:
bigotry has eaten deep inside your life only God can heal u

if u have a good counter,let's here u.
That will make us think less of u as a bigot.

Me think this issue is very important.
1: I want to know the academic qualification of my to be president.
2: I want to know how much he has imbibed the democracy attitude of the voice of the people
3: I want to know how he will handle our constitutional provisions
4: I want to know if he benefited from the quota system,which is the precursor of Nigerian corruption
5: I want to know if oputa panel/buhari saga will be replicated in 2014
6: I want to assess his finesse in handling scathing publicity on his integrity n performance
7: I want to know how important academic qualifications are to him,considering the roth in our public service as regards those who get job n promotion without requisite credentials
8: I want to know how apc will be able to control or support him,when he becomes president,or will they hide their change slogan soon
9: I want to know if GMB will allow for strong institutions and grant them independent n respect
10: I want to know the real meaning of "apc change".
And many more.
We have a great issue here,what other issue based politics r we clamouring for?

Old ideas.
He wants to serve us manna everyday
With 5k allowance
Then equitable distribution of the national cake
Then fight corruption.
Am waiting for more old ideas.

Yes it is,
So has it been found?
I mean the certificate.

ndcide:
I'm most times not in the same page with you. but for this one, you are right. this is commendable.

could it be your moment of clarity ?

my thoughts too.
That awful moment when you go to fight ur enemy in alliance with an impulsive friend.

ApC is making this election a do or die affair.

The more reason why this man should tender his certificate. Politics without long term ideology.how long will u feed the citizens?
Some of us know how Rochas implemented his own in Imo state,leading to state bankruptcy.
Continuation of feeding-bottled federalism.
This is not change as preached

Obj spoke like how our religious leaders would have spoken.
That's patriotism.

Let's appreciate a Good work when we see one.
It will get better!

Eziachi:
Because most of you because of politics has lost your minds, reasoning as if you don't have a culture or were you come from. Everyone comes from somewhere.
As an Igbo man I had to speak up that old age is not a curse in Igboland or any village that brought you into this world. Rather the most respected person and in charge of things in your family, my family, your village, my village or towns are our respected eldest persons. We don't throw an obu-ofor away because he is old.
This has nothing to do with Buhari or Jonathan. Choose the one among them that can make good of your resources for you and your children irrespective of their age, height, tribe or religion.
And if you don't get that analogy, then you will never get it, because wisdom is not for everyone.

the last paragraph of ur explanation will just do.

Donmarrius:
Obiagelli,what the Army has,are the photocopies of Buhari's 'fake' Credentials,which he submitted to them during recruitment,not his 'non-existing' original "certificate".

Stop being petty in reasoning!.

He must be charged with perjury for lying in affidavit about his certificate..

don't be quick to buy this one,half truth is still a lie. We need a verifiable truth.
That's if this news is true though.

Very unfortunate that somebody this high in the society will be arguing like this.
Its also obvious that GMB has no Certificate,yet he wants to circumvent due process.
**runs out of thread in search of dem dem**

Brimmie:
He that by faith chooses God for his protector, shall find all in him that he needs or can desire. And those who have found the comfort of making the Lord their refuge, cannot but desire that others may do so. The spiritual life is protected by Divine grace from the temptations of Satan, which are as the snares of the fowler, and from the contagion of sin, which is a noisome pestilence. Great security is promised to believers in the midst of danger.
Wisdom shall keep them from being afraid without cause, and faith shall keep them from being unduly afraid. Whatever is done, our heavenly Father's will is done; and we have no reason to fear. God's people shall see, not only God's promises fulfilled, but his threatenings.

I've downloaded Fr. Mbaka's Video, and just yesterday, 7 people copied it from me and they've started sharing it among their Christian Folks.

Jonathan met our Oyel, from Oyel Boom to Oyel Doom!! We Need Change!

Stop ranting on Social Media, do your Part! Collect your PVC.. Spread the Gospel!!

#BuhariOsinbajo
#Change

yes,there is "oil doom" as u would say,but oil is a global commodity. How is the doom GEJ's doing?
Childish campaign gimmicks

Omotolu:
...the law stipulates minimum of secondary school certificate...

yes dear,and he finds it too hard to tender.