Empiree:
What most tafasir usually came up with was pre-Adamic creation were jinns. That, when Angels replied Allah that "are you going to place in Earth a people that would commit fasad?".

This means there existed some creation that angels were aware of before Adam(as). Most Tafsir said they were jinn but they are not necessarily correct. I read contrary option from Muslim and nonmuslim scientists few years ago. They concluded by saying "let's just leave it so as not to confuse people". They doubted it was jinns but humans. If they were Jinn, Jinn are still here lol

No doubt, there is a very strong possibility (which I am aligned with) concerning Pre-Adamic Man and his development into the "Perfect Adamic Man" of the present, due to the verses:
Q32:09... the trigger word for me is (sawaahu)
Q15:29... the trigger word for me is (sawaytuhu)

these mean to establish, to make even, perfect, uniform, etc...and this period that was used to achieve the perfection is known to Allah, but it is a clear pointer that a period was involved from Pre-Adamaic to Perfect Adamic, hence Allah's pointing to man's lack of gratitude or not using his sense of reason.

My main concern is the cannibal/vampire Pre-Adam, lol. What was their divine purpose on earth apart from eating each other up?!

Yeah, I also heard and read tafsirs concerning the angels' concerns as a reference to the "rebellious jinns" on earth then...

Empiree:
Walaikun salaam,

Maybe I missed this part. I have to watch again and review that part

This is in one of his English Videos.
The link is below and it is titled: "Humans Before Adam In The Quran"

https://m.facebook.com/SAIF-TV-English-106565441143885/videos/?ref=page_internal&mt_nav=0

Empiree:
This Alfa is good. Watch live

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=570377784346077&id=466503480576644

Salam Alaikum,

He is quite vast and I really enjoyed his level of deductive reasoning.
I am still on the fence regarding his saying that the former man before prophet Adam (A.S.) were cannibals and could neither hear, see or use their faculty of reasoning; and he supported that with ayah from surah Mulk Q67:23.
He said they used some other form of sensory perception, which is very possible...
In all, he laid out his reasons for his positions on a lot of issues and I did not feel he was swayed by unwarranted emotions; which is good.

Thank you for bringing his videos to light!

littleguy444:
Jazakumullahu khayr

Wa Iyyak. You are most welcome.

Excel70:

Jazakhumullahi khayran. How is an hosts done

You are most welcome.


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THE ROLE OF HISAR/HISAAR (PROTECTIVE CIRCLE) IN THE LIFE OF A MUSLIM.

How often can hisar be done?
Hisar can be done once in the morning only or also at night before bedtime.

How many types of hisar are there?
There are various kinds and combinations, depending on one's need.
They go from the simplest to the very advanced.

Which ones will be shown here?
The ones below should serve a very wide variety of one's daily needs, but in no way is it exhaustive or complex.

Any prerequisites before commencing?
One should preferably be in a state of wudu.
One should have preferably done istigfaar.
One should preferably face the qiblah.
One should have Iman and Yakin.


HISAR 1: This is the least complex of them all. 1x - to any odd number of times
Salawat Rasul
Bismillahir Rahmanir Rahim
Salawat Rasul
Blow your breath on your shahada finger (index finger) an odd number of times and then make a circle around yourself.
The circle should be wide enough for one when you imagine yourself lying flat on your back as well as when you stand upright.
If you are unable to do this for whatever reason with your index finger, then use your imagination to carry this step out.

HISAR 2: 1x - to any odd number of times
Salawat Rasul
Surah Fatiha
Ayatul Kursiy
Surah Kafiroon
Surah Iklas
Surah Falaq
Surah Nas
Salawat Rasul

HISAR 3: 1x - to any odd number of times
Salawat Rasul
Surah Fatiha
Ayatul Kursiy
Surah Fil
Surah Masad
Salawat Rasul

HISAR 4: 1x - to any odd number of times
Salawat Rasul
Surah Fatiha
Ayatul Kursiy
Surah Yasin
Salawat Rasul

The more complex one's situation is, then it's better to recite more number of times.
The blowing of breath on the shahada finger and the use of imagination are deployed in any of the hisar types.
You can do this for yourself only.
You can do this for yourself and anyone with you.
You can do this for yourself and anyone who is absent.
You can do this for kids/children before they go to school for the day or will be in a gathering.
If doing this for your compound, then you can also raise your right index finger up and do the whole circle as above and use your imagination to view yourself above your roof/compound and ensure the whole place is encircled.
You can do this for any of your rooms in the house.
You can do this for your immediate neighborhood...your imagination just has to be very focused.
You can do this for your goods/items.
You can do this for your store.
The possibilities are endless. You just decide what you need to be encircled.

May Allah accept our Ibadahs, Amin.

THE ROLE OF HISAR/HISAAR (PROTECTIVE CIRCLE) IN THE LIFE OF A MUSLIM.

Salam Alaikum and Jumma Mubarak to everyone.

What is hisar/hisaar?
Hisar simply put, is a protective circle or wall around a person, a group of people, or a place.
Think of this as a form of wireless fence.

What are some of the Islamic sources of the use of hisar/hisaar?
Pertaining to Surah Al Ahqaf - The dunes. Q46:29-32
Hazrat Abdullah Ibn Mas'ud narrated that RasulAllah (S.A.W.) asked his companions in Makkah who would accompany him to meet with the jinns?
Abdullah Ibn Mas'ud signified interest and he went along.
They got to a certain place and the Prophet (S.A.W.) drew a circle (other narrations say a line...) and asked Abdullah not to cross it, then he proceeded forward and began to recite the Quran.
I (Abdullah) saw that a number of "people" had gathered around him and they stood between me and him...
(Ibn Jarir, Baihaqi: Dalail An Nubuwwat).

Also,
The traditions that have been related from Hadrat Abdullah bin Masud, Hadrat Zubair, Hadrat Abdullah bin Abbas, Hasan Basri, Said bin Jubair, Zarr bin Hubaish, Mujahid, Ikrimah, and others in connection with the commentary of this verse concur that this incident of the first visit of the jinns, which has been mentioned in this verse, had occurred in the valley of Nakhlah.
The place where this incident took place was either Az-Zaimah or As Sayl ul Kabir, for both these places are situated in the valley of Nakhlah.

Hadrat Abdullah bin Masud has related another tradition, saying:
"Once the Holy Prophet asked his Companions in Makkah as to which of them would accompany him that night to meet the jinns. I became ready to go with him.
At a place in the upper quarters of Makkah, the Holy Prophet drew a line and told me not to cross it. Then he went forward and stood and began to recite the Qur'an. I saw that a number of the people had gathered around him and they stood between me and him".
On another occasion also during the night, Hadrat Abdullah bin Masud was with the Holy Prophet and he decided a case of the jinns at Hajun in Makkah.
Many years later Ibn Masud saw a group of the villagers at Kufa and said that the group of the jinns he had seen at Hajun closely resembled those people. (Ibn Jarir)...
From quranx.com/tafsirs/46.29

From The King of Jinns
Bushair Ibn Mahfooz states that once my daughter Fatima suddenly vanished from the roof of my house.
I got worried and went to the blessed presence of Sayyid Ghouse I Pak and requested assistance.
He told me to go to Karkh and during the night, sit at a place and form a fort (hisar) around myself and say Bismillah.
A group of Jinns will pass by you, their faces will be very strange, do not get scared...
The king of Jinns passed by on his horseback and there were other jinns surrounding him and I told him of my predicament and who sent me.
As soon as the king heard the name of Ghaus I Pak, he got down from the horse and sat on the ground. The other Jinns too sat outside the hisar...

What is the function of a hisar?
To shield one from:
The evil eye effects
Black magic
Witchcraft
Spiritual attacks
Jinns
Negative energies
Serpent and reptile bites,stings

Who benefits from using a hisar?
Everyone!
Raqis who perform Ruqyah
Hijama practitioners
Doctors
Nurses
Parents
Children
As long as you are on this earth, you can greatly benefit from using hisar.

What events necessitate the use of hisar?
Everyday living.
When going out.
Against being raped (this has become dangerously common). Especially for the Muslim sisters, and also brothers...
Against attacks of any kind.
To be invincible from enemies and walk away to safety.

What makes up a hisar?
Intention
Salawat Nabi (S.A.W)
Quran Surahs
Your unwavering power of imagination

littleguy444:
please can you elaborate about suratu fatiha healing mechanism

Salam Alaikum.

The healing mechanism of Suratul Fatiha is in huge part by virtue of the Ism Allah, Al Fattah - The opener, the reliever, the revealer, success, beginning, conquer, victory, triumph.
It is the KEY that opens the door to all goodness and makes possible what was once impossible or difficult.
Every issue/problem can be solved with this Surah.
It opens for mankind and at the same time a secure seal to the evil ones.
It is Rahma from Al Rahman to Al Insan.
This means that anyone who approaches this Surah - as any of the other surahs and Ism Allah - with strong Iman and Yakin would definitely meet with Ash Shafi, Al Latif, Al Wahhab, Al Ghaffur, Al Afuw, Al Wadud, or whatever Divine names being approached.
According to Rasul Allah (S.A.W.), this Surah is a gift from the divine presence of Allah which was never gifted to any nation before his.

The other part of the surah's universal healing mechanism is due to the non-occurrence of seven letters within it.
This is part of divine wisdom, because, it means that what Allah has made a gift and promise and forever open source for us; therefore has no "khatam"/seal...it is free flow from now till the end of days, InshaAllah.

I strongly believe this is what the Sahabi who treated the guy with the sting/bite understood well and keyed into it, hence his success!

Tessyy1701:


At bolded can You please give us name of some that You know?

Salam Alaikum.

InshaAllah.

Strengthening of the heart - pure rose, lavender, marjoram, orange, lemon.
Strengthening of the mind - bergamot, vetiver, black spruce, orange, lemon.
Strengthening of the main organs -

black spruce, lemon, lime, orange, grapefruit (kidney and urinary bladder).
pure rose, chamomile, lavender, geranium, rosemary, lime (liver and gallbladder).
frankincense, basil[efinrin], coriander, vetiver (pancreas).

Reduce forgetfulness - pure rose, bergamot, lavender, lemon, rosemary, black pepper, peppermint.
Reduce/eliminate depression - pure rose, bergamot, chamomile, tangerine, lavender, frankincense.
Increase concentration - peppermint, frankincense, cassia, rosemary, sandalwood.
Help with ease of bowel elimination - ginger, coriander, marjoram, peppermint.
Reduce/eliminate sinus issues - peppermint, eucalyptus, black spruce, tea tree, oregano.
And a host of other health benefits - I will mention only tea tree oil, frankincense, basil and citron (citrus medica) here because of their importance and efficacy in warding of malevolent jinns.

Excel70:

Jazakhumullahi khayran very comprehensive. You are full of knowleadge

You are most welcome.

Astagfirullah! All knowledge belong ONLY to Allah.

Excel70:

Jazakhumullahi khayran. What is your opinion on using alcoholic perfumes and soap for someone on spiritual path. I am a lover of perfume

Salam Alaikum.

The use of alcoholic perfumes and soap for someone on a spiritual path; to me, is not really ideal.

You will find some scholars who are not against using alcohol-based perfumes; because they say that the alcohol in it is not for consumption as such and it is just used to stabilize the perfume, etc.
No doubt, alcoholic perfumes can be very nice when smelled or sprayed on clothes, etc, but I strongly doubt that they aid in any way during spiritual exercises...at least not for me or those I know directly and indirectly.
A lot - if not all of them - load chemicals/toxins into the body with prolonged usage and this could cause serious health-related issues.
Alcohol will also "disfigure" the original chemical composition of perfumes, so you aren't really getting all the value for your money as such.

Both alcoholic and non-alcoholic perfumes attract and repel at the same time.... non- alcoholic perfumes attract Malaikas and believing Jinns and repel evil jinns and negative entities.

In addition, you will be getting immense health benefits when you use non-alcoholic perfumes. Benefits such as:
Strengthening of the heart.
Strengthening of the mind.
Strengthening of the main organs.
Reduce forgetfulness.
Reduce/eliminate depression.
Increase concentration.
Help with ease of bowel elimination.
Reduce/eliminate sinus issues.
And a host of other health benefits!

As for soaps, the same applies...using pure and non-alcoholic ingredients is the best way.

If you are very much attached to your alcoholic perfumes, then may I suggest that you use them as you please but not for spiritual purposes? And if you have already used them earlier in the day and now want to begin a spiritual practice, then do take a shower and then apply your non-alcoholic perfume before commencing with your prayers.

Hkana:


Sent

Yes, seen and replied.

Excel70:

Jazakhumullahi khayran for this. I will appreciate more uses of Surah Yasin in our daily life's and challenges

I believe this thread has quite some specifics of Surah Yasin usage sprinkled across pages.

There are so many ways to approach it for daily life and challenges. Your situation may be different from the next person's.

One use is to constantly recite it (especially in Tahajjud) as a means of seeking closeness to Allah.

Salam Alaikum and Jumma Mubarak.

THE ELEMENTAL HURUFS OF SURAH YA-SIN.

This is actually a reply and a visual to corroborate the nature of Surah Yasin, as expounded by Sheikh Empiree, Ikupakuti, and a host of others.
Also, a brother asked what it meant that the surah Yasin is fiery; or something to that effect.

When a surah is said to be fiery, then what it means is that it has a majority of its hurufs predominantly under the fire element and may also be dispersed in other elements that draw on heat and dryness.

I chose this surah to visualize because of the controversy around it on this thread and others, as so much has been said for and against it, and then to show the truth about what Sheikh Empiree narrated based on his experiences.
Than Surah Yasin is:
Sturdy
Drying
Recitation of 313x, then a big ram can be sacrificed to remedy its effects.
Recitation of 1111x, then a cow can be sacrified to remedy its effects.

Taking only the fiery hurufs as an example, there are a total of 1126 counts from verse 1-83.

1126 X 313 = 352,438.00
1126 X 1111 = 1,250,986.00

Between the two is a difference of 898,548.00. That is a huge difference!
What this is showing is that what remedy is needed at level 313 CANNOT be the same at level 1111.

Taking the whole hurufs of the surah:

3006 X 313 = 940,878.00
3006 X 1111 = 3,339,666.00

Between the two is a difference of 2,398,788.00. This geometric progression is astronomical and it keeps being so with more recitations.

Also, within the Air hurufs of this surah are the major cluster of "dark letters" - also found in other elementals of Surah Yasin - which are not part of Surah Fatiha, hence Fatiha's universal healing mechanism for any kind of ailment.

As Ikupakuti mentioned in past posts, the letters are powered by their associated heavenly numbers. This means that each letter has a spirit/soul behind it. It is never static as some people would want you to believe. That is why 313 is an activation number and increasing the count will also increase its power/efficacy.

When Sheikh Empiree Mentioned that his Sheikh uses it as his "career dua", this is it! It is a reliable "work-horse" anytime, anyday, anywhere.
It is my hope and prayer that this will strengthen our resolve not to treat the Surah Yasin shabbily and to love it, memorise it and utilize it in our daily lives, Amin.

LadunaI:
Eid Mubarak!

Eid Mubarak and may Allah accept all your duas, and everyone's too. Amin.

Firefox01:
Welcome back Movado! I hope you still remember me

Ramadan/ Jumma Mubarak, Firefox01 !!!

Thank you, and I hope you are doing well, InshaAllah?

Alhamdulillah, I still remember you. (S.O.), abi?

Hkana:
Assalamu alaikum @movado19
Can I send you a PM?

Wa Alaikum Salam and Ramadan Mubarak, Hkana.

I am terribly sorry for just replying to you since last year.
I haven't been on NL for some time now.

Yes, please do send me a PM, InshaAllah.

littleguy444:
perhaps sheikh ladunal is not around.
@sheikh empiree, movado19, bakar1, emekaraj and all other shuyukhs in the house, please you guys should do justice to this.

Wa Alaikum Salam,
Ruh - This is a special light/ energy and it comes directly from Allah and it is the animator of the whole human body. It is what enables you to move, feel, and so on. It has its own requirements for sustenance.
Body - It is the gross material you can feel, touch, and see. This is your body, mine, and everyone else's too. It is the vehicle for the ruh to experience this plane of existence. It has its own requirements for sustenance.
Nafs - This is what makes up one's unique psychology. It is popularly known as the ego or ego-self. It comprises - but not limited to - your thoughts, actions, freewill, mentality, emotions, temperaments, consciousness, etc. This is what enables one to be judged for their stay here on earth. It carries the responsibility of exercising free will, except for those who are mentally challenged, in a coma, or little children. It can be influenced internally by qareen, jinns, angels, etc and externally by people, things, events, etc
There are different grades/types of nafs and the minimum qualification for a nafs to enter Jannah is for it to be a NAFS AL MUTMAINNAH Q 89:27-30.

LyfeJennings:


So for me, when I think of how Big Allah/God is,
The narrative and concept of Allah/God is way bigger than the human comprehension. U know reading all this things about God makes me understand THERE IS NOTHING GOD IS NOT CAPABLE OF.
Wharever notion or concept we have about Allah, He is way, way more than that. We cannot ever fully "grasp" Him due to our mental limitations; and what we know of Him is simply because of the blessed light of knowledge He has willed to reflect in our hearts.
Vision cannot grasp Him but He grasps all vision...Q 6:103

Then I ask myself why God in His all knowing, in His magnanimity, in His Amazing decide to create Shaytan knowing very well he was going to rebel against Him.
Not the slightest alphabet of our thought go past him. Not the tiniest of creature take a breath without his knowledge, way before the breath is taken. U know?
Allah created Satan/Iblis with free will, just like man. This means that Allah in His infinite wisdom and mercy does not oppress or force anyone of us to do what is right. The freedom given to choose good/evil is attached with its consequences, however.
Any and all actions taken by jinn/man has its own reality that reverberates into eternity. What this means is that for every discrete time t,
THOUGHTS + ACTIONS + WORDS = CLEAR CONSEQUENCES (think Divine Real Time)
Except we make ISTIGFAR/TAWBA and as Allah sees fit in His wisdon, He dials back on these or completely erases such erros and replaces them with something better, all based of course on our sincere intentions.
This is the wisdom behind continous Istigfar and asking Allah to be our source of light, as we place all our affairs in His Amanah/ Trust.
The most dangerous thing to ever do is to think that we have got Allah "all figured out!" This is exactly what breeds over confidence and arrogance, hence the plight of Iblis.
Iblis made a huge blunder by confining Allah to his reasoning capabilities which was clearly flawed/not complete; as he did not think of Allah the way Allah deserved to be though of - he also did not reason out the divine reason for the creation of man...he in his arrogance could only see "mud" which to him was inferior to his "smokeless flame" - he felt his knowledge was complete based on his hears of worship and obedience, etc...
You see why we need to always renew our intentions in all that we do?

Going by the above it is safe to say There is absolutely no way and manner Shaytan could have rebelled against God without His knowledge. Way before Shaytan ever conceived the thought of going against God. It is absolutely impossible for God not to have that knowledge so then why did God go ahead and create Him.
Again, the concept of free will plays a huge part here. Jinns and Insan were created with free will to worship or not to worship Allah/ follow the Sirat Al Mustakym.
Of course, Allah is all knowing, all seeing, all hearing, etc. This means that His divine knowledge encompasses everything and He never misses a beat!
What you think of at this very monent has an end that is very clear to Allah.
What you do at this very moment has an end that is very clear to Allah.
What you say at this very moment has an end that is very clear to Allah.
In his infinite mercy, Allah has promised to only charge us on what we DO and SAY and not what we THINK! This means that we need to exercise caution and self control not to EXPRESS negativity that is impressed in our thoughts!
Iblis threw caution to the wind based off of anger, short-sightedness, arrogance and racism.

He knew way before He ever conceived the idea to create humans what we would be and how we would be. There is absolutely no way and manner we can escape Him except He chooses to just let go. I mean what exactly is the point of Human creation (Astagfirllah). I understand the verse which quotes He didn't create mankind and Jinns for any reasons other than to serve.
The purpose of Insan here on earth is to transform into a complete human (Insan Kamil) based on Allah's divine attributes that we all are composed of in varying degrees - some people with certain attributes more than what others may have, etc. Please note that there are a few attributes that Allah does not share with anything or anyone, such as
Iradat - Divine and absolute will over all.
Qudrat - Divine and absolute Power over all and everything.
Ilm - Divine and absolute knowledge over everything.
Kalam - Divine and absolute speech
Sama - Divine and absolute hearing
Basr - Divine and absolute seeing
Hayat - Divine and absolute living

Allah's zaat is not shared by anything or anyone. This is what makes Him Allah.

But If we all gather, humans, animals, Jinns and Angels to serve him in the most pious manner, more pious than the Holiest human. It doesn't add a single feather to His Throne (The Kursi). If all creatures both the unseen and the seen gather to also rebel against Him, in the most rebellious manner, more rebellious than Shaytan, it doesn't take a single strand away from Him.
Again, however much we may think or claim to "fully"understand Allah, this is nothing but a whimsical, fragmented and illogical conclusion.
We give way too much kudos to our mental gymnastics. There is a limit to what the mental faculty can comprehend and where it terminates is definitely where we call on Allah to lead us through with his divine light. Anything short of this is a person in the thick of darkness thrashing about and knocking everything down.

So what exactly is the point of our existence?
To be the best that you could possibly be based on your free will to:
think about
observe
express
apply
modify
ALL the attributes enclosed within the droplet (seed) from Allah's endles ocean. This droplet is what enables you to exist here and now. The full expression/cultivation of this seed results in the transformation of man into Insan Kamil. This is our ultimate goal.

Note, the grave is a place
Kiyamah is also a place
Hell is also a place
Same as Janah

The narrative of this journey to and in these places are nothing but the most horrifying thought.
Why did you use the term horriying?
Do you think it is not possible for one to attain bliss?
Remember, Allah says that "I am as my servant thinks Me to be" - lets have a very good opinion of Allah and know Him as He deserves to be known.
Allah also says his Mercy supersedes His Wrath, subhanallah! Let us be very hopeful of a good end but not fall into the mistake of Satan/Iblis.


PS: As much as the holier than thou folks might misinterprete this comment. I would like the knowledgeable ones to see this writer as seeker of knowledge and share your opinions both from the Holy Books and ur knowledge

Just focus on your goal which is to learn. Allah sees your heart and intentions. Have a good view/opinion of Allah, yourself and others.
May Allah guide us all to his straight path, Amin.

LyfeJennings:
This narrative of Allah is really thought provoking.
U know sometimes, when I think about Allah, I am more than convinced there is no evil. For a Being to be described in such manner, I sincerely feel there is no way He wouldn't know this very moment way before He ever wanted to think it Himself. *Astagfirllah*.
For that alone, He wouldn't see any need to create Shaytan cos He knew Shaytan was going to be rebellious.
I' mean these are my regular thoughts.
I'd loved the knowledgeable ones to share their opinion regarding my view.

PS: I'm only a seeker of knowledge. No insults please. Let's just have a great conversation and share knowledge

Could you kindly elaborate more on the bolded? It's not so clear to me as to make any contributions yet.Thank you.

Wa Alaikum Salam @ littleguy444,

If you eat late into the evening/night, them you may want to chage your eating pattern. Heavy food and eating in general could end by 7:30pm, since you mentioned that you go to bed around 10:00pm

You may perform ablution, make your intention and then recite the following continously untill you fall asleep.
Note: This should be after your daily bedtime adthkar.

Q 3:1 - ALIF LAM MIM and
Q 3:2 - ALLAHU LA ILLAHA ILLAHU AL HAYYUL QAYYUM

OR ONLY
Q:18:110

I pray this helps you, InshaAllah.

aumeehn:
you are not a muslim, stop deceiving yourself. You cant be a muslim at the same time be pompous and claim to be knowledgable to the point of saying you cant swallow whatever you are told, you even go as far as saying Rasulillah (SAW) wasnt sent to the whole universe. Look you lack knowledge of the deen and you are not ready to know, in islam doubting the message of Rasulillah (SAW) is tantamount to shrik! You call yourself a practising muslim and still having doubts! Auzubillah!! Look i am going to be blunt, if you die this way, wallahi jahannama straight. Better seek refuge against shaitan humble yourself and You will see how Allah will turn your life around. Go and watch a series called OMAR, you will see exactly how people like you were humbled. Since you know too much up to the point of saying you cant swallow whatever you are told! This is absurd wallahi. Stop calling yourself a muslim because you cant pick what you like and discard what you dont like. You are not a muslim but a confused entity EOD!

Salam Alaikum, aumeehn,

We do not say that anyone is a non Muslim after he/she has declared themselves as Muslim.
Lyfejennings emphatically declared himself a Muslim and not that he thought or felt he is a Muslim. So he knows without a doubt who and what he is.
It is most unbecoming to designate anyone to the abode of Jahannam simply because they do not fit into our mold of who/what a Muslim should be like, look like, act like or talk like.

We are all here to learn and what may be a piece of cake for you may very well be another person's mountain - Masha Allahu La Quwwata Illah Billah Q18:39

Lyfejennings pled with Shaikh Empiree to explain certain concepts to him - we all have those grey areas we would like to know more about...yours may be different from the next person's...
I believe it is everyone's fundamental right to ask questions in order to learn more; even though we may not always like the way/manner in which it was asked. Still, we are NOT to condemn ANYONE for that. Rather, we spread the fragrance of Islam through our ADAB - adab in speech and everything else.
Q 17:23
Q 17:28
Q 17:53
Q 20:44

@ aumeehn - Correct with much compassion.
@ Lyfejennings - Forgive with much grace.

Sissie:


It's spam bot and the post where too long.

Thank you for replying, Sissie.

Empiree:
He should reach out to Sissie or mukina. Also he needs to edit his texts. Probably anti spam bot senses foreign texts within.

Yes, I reached out to them twice but no feddback.

Rasram:
WHAT ARE THE ELEMENTAL SCIENCES (`uluum al-awwaliyya)?‎

by Shaykh Muhammad Shareef bin Farid

This is the second part of the article from @RASRAM.

Rasram:
WHAT ARE THE ELEMENTAL SCIENCES (`uluum al-awwaliyya)?‎

This is the second part of the article by @RASRAM. She is unable to post in NL at the moment.

PART 2 - WHAT ARE THE ELEMENTAL SCIENCES (`uluum al-awwaliyya)?‎
by Shaykh Muhammad Shareef bin Farid

One of the first works to be published into Arabic on a compendium of the elemental sciences was a work ‎entitled al-Maahir Fee `Ullum al-Awaa’il wa’l-Awaakhir by Imam Ali ibn Abu Ali ibn Muhammad al-Amidi ‎‎(551-631 A.H./1157-1233 C.E.) There has long been major dispute among the Muslim scholars regarding the ‎permissibility of learning these sciences, because segments are considered to be occult sciences (`ilm ‎khafiy) and other segments are considered as pure magic (sihr sareeh). ‎

It is for this reason Shaykh Abd’l-Qaadir Dan Tafa, may Allah be merciful to him indicated that he learned ‎these sciences after first fortifying himself with the sciences of the shari`a as well as the perfection of ‎character. This granted him the spiritual and moral yardstick to categorize these ambiguous sciences within ‎the shari`a criteria of obligatory (waajib), prohibited (haraam), highly recommended (mustahaab), ‎reprehensible (makruuh) and allowable (mubaah). Because some of these rational sciences are the basis of ‎modern technology and scientific theory, it is difficult to distinguish between it and pure magic. As the ‎atheist Arthur C. Clark keenly cited in his ‘third law’: “Any sufficiently advanced technology is ‎indistinguishable from magic.” ‎

Thus, any rational science used to manipulate nature for benefit or harm would naturally be considered by ‎laymen as a form of magic. There is an ancient saying: “Know magic, avoid magic” (`illamu ‘s-sihr fa ‎ajtanabuuhu); which indicates the necessity of a segment among the right acting scholars to learn and ‎comprehend the sources of the elemental sciences and how these are utilized in order to improve, benefit, ‎bring balance, defend, ward off and bring about cure. ‎

Shaykh Abd’l-Qaadir Dan Tafa himself said in his al-`Uhuud wa’l-Mawaathiq: “I have taken an oath and ‎covenant not to invite anyone among the people to what I have obtained from the sciences of letters, ‎geomancy and astronomy, even though I took these sciences from sound sources and repudiated the ‎fallacies in them. I have never instructed anyone in these in order not to lead them astray. On the contrary, ‎I have invited people to sound knowledge from the Qur’an, the Sunna, jurisprudence and spiritual ‎purification (tasawwuf). I have taken an oath and covenant not to utilize anything from the sciences of ‎natural magic, spells, incantations, charms, and the subjugation of jinn for either advantage or protection. ‎
On the contrary, I have abandoned these all together, even though I acquired and mastered the essentials ‎of these sciences. I have taken an oath and covenant in line with the above vow, not to implement anything ‎from the science of letters of the Divine Names, in a way which could cause harm to Muslims. However, ‎when these can bring benefit to me, I will utilize it in justifiable circumstances for procuring benefit and ‎protection. I have taken an oath and covenant not to search into the unseen by means of divination, ‎soothsaying, astrology, or any of the baseless occult sciences. Yet, independent of these sciences, I have ‎procured knowledge of the unseen by means of the true dream (ru’ya saadiq). For nothing has occurred in ‎these times except that I have seen it effortlessly in my dream before it actually occurred.”
..TO BE CONTINUED...

Rasram:
WHAT ARE THE ELEMENTAL SCIENCES (`uluum al-awwaliyya)?‎

This is the second part of the article by @RAZRAM. She is unable to post in NL at the moment.

PART 2 - WHAT ARE THE ELEMENTAL SCIENCES (`uluum al-awwaliyya)?‎
by Shaykh Muhammad Shareef bin Farid

One of the first works to be published into Arabic on a compendium of the elemental sciences was a work ‎entitled al-Maahir Fee `Ullum al-Awaa’il wa’l-Awaakhir by Imam Ali ibn Abu Ali ibn Muhammad al-Amidi ‎‎(551-631 A.H./1157-1233 C.E.) There has long been major dispute among the Muslim scholars regarding the ‎permissibility of learning these sciences, because segments are considered to be occult sciences (`ilm ‎khafiy) and other segments are considered as pure magic (sihr sareeh). ‎

It is for this reason Shaykh Abd’l-Qaadir Dan Tafa, may Allah be merciful to him indicated that he learned ‎these sciences after first fortifying himself with the sciences of the shari`a as well as the perfection of ‎character. This granted him the spiritual and moral yardstick to categorize these ambiguous sciences within ‎the shari`a criteria of obligatory (waajib), prohibited (haraam), highly recommended (mustahaab), ‎reprehensible (makruuh) and allowable (mubaah). Because some of these rational sciences are the basis of ‎modern technology and scientific theory, it is difficult to distinguish between it and pure magic. As the ‎atheist Arthur C. Clark keenly cited in his ‘third law’: “Any sufficiently advanced technology is ‎indistinguishable from magic.” ‎

Thus, any rational science used to manipulate nature for benefit or harm would naturally be considered by ‎laymen as a form of magic. There is an ancient saying: “Know magic, avoid magic” (`illamu ‘s-sihr fa ‎ajtanabuuhu); which indicates the necessity of a segment among the right acting scholars to learn and ‎comprehend the sources of the elemental sciences and how these are utilized in order to improve, benefit, ‎bring balance, defend, ward off and bring about cure. ‎

Shaykh Abd’l-Qaadir Dan Tafa himself said in his al-`Uhuud wa’l-Mawaathiq: “I have taken an oath and ‎covenant not to invite anyone among the people to what I have obtained from the sciences of letters, ‎geomancy and astronomy, even though I took these sciences from sound sources and repudiated the ‎fallacies in them. I have never instructed anyone in these in order not to lead them astray. On the contrary, ‎I have invited people to sound knowledge from the Qur’an, the Sunna, jurisprudence and spiritual ‎purification (tasawwuf). I have taken an oath and covenant not to utilize anything from the sciences of ‎natural magic, spells, incantations, charms, and the subjugation of jinn for either advantage or protection. ‎
On the contrary, I have abandoned these all together, even though I acquired and mastered the essentials ‎of these sciences. I have taken an oath and covenant in line with the above vow, not to implement anything ‎from the science of letters of the Divine Names, in a way which could cause harm to Muslims. However, ‎when these can bring benefit to me, I will utilize it in justifiable circumstances for procuring benefit and ‎protection. I have taken an oath and covenant not to search into the unseen by means of divination, ‎soothsaying, astrology, or any of the baseless occult sciences. Yet, independent of these sciences, I have ‎procured knowledge of the unseen by means of the true dream (ru’ya saadiq). For nothing has occurred in ‎these times except that I have seen it effortlessly in my dream before it actually occurred.” ‎

So, clearly Shaykh Dan Tafa was thoroughly acquainted with the positive and negative uses of the ‎elemental sciences. Because of the depth of his knowledge of the shari`a, and the perfection of his ‎character, Dan Tafa exhibited a fearless curiosity, intellectual initiative and courageous inquiry into the ‎limits of what is possible. What is ironic in this age is how conservative Muslim clerics decry even examining ‎the books of the elemental sciences, while they have allowed themselves, their societies and youth to be ‎manipulated socially by the pervasive computer online networking; whose impact upon the present social ‎upheavals in the Middle East in comparison with those of the past can not be anything other than ‘magical’. ‎
Never in the history of mankind have societies been overthrown with the speed and seamlessness with ‎which internet social networking has permitted western civilization to over throw adversarial societies in ‎the Middle East, Far East and Africa. I have witnessed modernist Muslim clerics on both sides of the ‎salafist/sufi divide describing the horrible events of the so-called ‘Arab spring’, as ‘a miracle’; eventhough ‎the events starting with Tunisia and ending with the horrors of Libya and now the slaughter taking place in ‎Syria; were planned, orchestrated and geometrically calculated by social engineers of the US Pentagon’s ‎Core of Engineers under the African Command stationed temporarily in Germany. ‎
When any outcome can be predetermined and engineered to astound and mystify an observer, one can ‎only describe such a process as ‘magical’.

Today, the pure manipulative magic of social engineering has ‎become the ‘miracle’ of the modern Muslim cleric; while the mastery of the elemental sciences (`uluum ‘l-‎awaa’il) is anathematized and marginalized as outside the bounds of Islam. It is important to note that ‎Shaykh Dan Tafa’s approach to the elemental sciences was the same approach which modern scientists ‎take when seeking to minutely understand creation and manipulate it for good or to ward off harm. ‎
Allah willing, as Shaykh Abd’l-Qaadir Dan Tafa, may Allah be merciful to him enumerates these diverse ‎sciences, I will stipulate their origin, the first to elucidate them, their advantages, disadvantages, their ‎judgment in the shari`a, the diverse opinions about them, the major books composed regarding them and ‎the individuals among the Fudiawa responsible for disseminating them to Shaykh Abd’l-Qaadir Dan Tafa, ‎may Allah be merciful to him. ‎
Shaykh Abd’l-Qaadir Dan Tafa, may Allah be merciful to him began by saying: “We garnered benefit from ‎the elemental sciences”. Here he uses the first-person plural pronoun to indicate himself and the Fudiawa ‎ethnicity in particular, but it can also apply to the scholars of the central Bilad’s-Sudan in general. This is ‎significant because it indicates that the study of the elemental sciences in the Bilad’s-Sudan was a pervasive ‎customary practice. ‎

The great African intellectual, Cheikh Anta Diop informs us in his Pre-colonial Black Africa that among the ‎reasons that Islamic metaphysics prevailed over traditional African beliefs was because both civilizations ‎embraced a metaphysical belief in the concept of two parallel worlds. That is to say, both civilizations held ‎the belief that in the world around us there is a world which can be seen and there is an unseen parallel ‎metaphysical world which cannot be seen or sensed but which impacts us continuously. ‎
Diop emphasized that the African sages (awliyya) of Islam possessed a far more technically advanced ‎means of accessing and manipulating the world of the unseen, than did the shamans among the traditional ‎African religions. In other words the African Muslim sages developed what would today be called ‘a killer ‎software’ regarding access to and manipulation of the metaphysical world. ‎

He said: “It goes without saying that this conception of a dual world is to be found, in various forms, in the ‎beliefs of Africans to such a point that they feel completely comfortable in Islam. Some of them do not ‎even feel they have changed their metaphysical horizon. That is what led Dan Fodio to criticize severely all ‎those who, though calling themselves Muslims, continue such practices as libations, offerings, divination, ‎the Kabbala, etc., and even writes verses from the Koran in the blood of sacrificial animals.” ‎
Diop continues: “Dan Fodio’s text, although rather recent, (nineteenth century) reflects a tendency already ‎imperative in the days of the Askias (fifteenth-seventeenth centuries). African religions, more or less ‎forgotten, were in the process of atrophying and being emptied of their spiritual content, their former deep ‎metaphysics. The jumble of empty forms they had left behind could not compete with Islam on the moral ‎and rational level. And it was on that latter level of rationality that the victory of Islam was most striking.” ‎
This is clear and can be corroborated by anthropological evidence. It was for this reason that many African ‎pagan spiritualist, oral historians, traditional medicine practitioners, and astronomers converted to Islam ‎bringing with them tens of thousands of years of cumulative knowledge of the elemental sciences. We ‎know the case in Mali around 1050 C.E. during a major drought that engulfed the kingdom. The ruler at the ‎time, Baramendana Keita summoned all of his Mande`, Soninke`, Peul, Sosso, Bambara, and Dogon oral ‎historians, shamans and astronomers, and demanded that they utilize the sciences granted them to cause it ‎to rain, to no avail. Then a learned Muslim merchant residing in his kingdom performed the ‘salaat’l-‎istisqaa’ (the prayer of rain) and within minutes of completing the prayer, the skies darkened and it rained ‎for months, according to al-Bakri’s account. ‎
This was indicative of the advanced metaphysical sciences which Islam introduced into Africa. When these ‎were combined with the indigenous elemental sciences of Africa, a profound synthesis occurred particularly ‎among the shaman caste, astronomers, and oral historians who accepted Islam among the Soninke`, ‎Mande`, Dogon, Habe`, Zaberma, Bambara, Wolof, Kanuri and Peul ethnicities. ‎

When we add this store of knowledge with the elemental sciences bequeathed inter-generationally among ‎those African ethnicities, particularly in Tinbuktu in the Sankore` quarter; who trace their origin back to the ‎Banu Isra’il and the Banu Ishma’il a picture emerges of an overwhelming metaphysical and philosophical ‎epistemology which gave birth to the Fudiawa store of knowledge. ‎
However, I will add, that there was a far more transcendent reason that African priests and initiates ‎willfully abandoned their traditions for the Islamic African traditions, and it had to do with the profound ‎crystalline gnosis of the Absolute Being and gnosis of the emergence of existence from the ocean of non-‎existence; which Islam clarified and systematized in a unified system which brought back together and ‎unlocked the mysteries of the scattered initiative traditions of Africa once unified on the banks of the Nile. ‎
Shaykh Abd’l-Qaadir Dan Tafa, may Allah be merciful to said that they learned these elemental sciences: ‎‎“…from many small books or from condensed texts.” ‎

The most important condensed or abridged works on the elemental sciences which reached the Bilad’s-‎Sudan and which I have seen in many of the private archives were those such as the Kitaab’l-Jifr al-Jaami` ‎wa’n-Nuur ‘l-Laami` falsely attributed to Ali ibn Abi Talib; the Madaakhil `Ilm’l-Jifr attributed to:
Imam Abu ‎Ishma’il Ja`far ‘s-Saadiq ibn Muhammad al-Baaqir; the an-Nufhat’l-Maskiyya Fee Sharh al-Arba`een al-‎Idrisiyya of Shaykh Shihaab’d-Deen Attiya as-Shahrawardi; the al-Kashif Li `Amaal’l-Jifr of Imam Ja`far ibn ‎Mansuur al-Yemeni; the as-Sirr’l-Madhruuf Fee `Ilm Bast’l-Huruuf of Shaykh Muhammad al-Khalwati; the ‎Qays’l-Anwaar wa Mujaami`’l-Asraar of Shaykh Abdallah al-Bustami; the Bahr’l-Wuquuf Fee `Ilm’l-Huruuf of ‎Shaykh Shihaab’d-Deen Abu’l-Abbas Ahmad ibn Ali al-Buni as well as his famous Shams’l-Ma`aarif’l-Kubra; ‎the al-Ishaaraat wa’t-Tanbeehaat of Imam Abu Ali ibn Sinna; the al-Firaasa of Imam Fakhr’d-Deen ar-Raazi; ‎the Bustaan’l-Fawaa’id wa’l-Manaafi` of Shaykh Muhammad ibn Muhammad al-Kaabiri; the al-Lawaami` ‎wa’l-Asraar Fee Manaafi`’l-Qur’an wa’l-Akhbaar of Shaykh Ibn Salaama ibn Isa al-Maghribi; the at-‎Tadhkira’l-Muheet of Imam as-Suwaydi; the al-Buruuj wa’l-Manaazil of Shaykh Hassan ibn Ahmad al-‎Hashimi and many others.
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In addition to these there were the condensed and abridged works of the elemental sciences produced by ‎the Fudiawa themselves which I will highlight throughout the progression of the poem, Allah willing. Shaykh ‎Abd’l-Qaadir Dan Tafa, may Allah be merciful to him, then explains the five ways in which the elemental ‎sciences and knowledge in general are acquired. ‎

The first way is: “By means of textual transmission…” The expression ‘naql’ (textual transmission) takes its ‎root from the verb ‘naqala’ (to transfer/transcribe) and refers to those sciences which are transcribed in ‎books and transmitted through textual evidence. ‎
Imam Abd’l-Karim ibn Abdallah al-Khadir said in his commentary upon the al-Lu’lu ‘l-Maknuun of Imam ‎Haafidh ibn Ahmad al-Hakami: “The expression ‘naql’ is knowledge narrated by means of an intermediary ‎‎(waasita)”; i.e. the medium of textual evidence. ‎
‎ What he means by that in this context is that he received direct transmission of the above cited texts as ‎well as others which I will mention, Allah willing by either reciting them himself to his teachers, listening to ‎someone else recite them to his teacher, or listening to the reading of the text directly from the teacher. ‎Then the teacher would elaborate on the obscure or problematic meanings of the texts. ‎

The second way is: “…or by what fell in my hands from books concerning these …” This means that he ‎came upon some of the texts on the elemental sciences himself and studied them on his own. This is ‎significant because it indicates that although it is obligatory for the common person (awaam) and the ‎student of knowledge intermediate (muta`alam mutawasit) between the common person and the scholar ‎‎(`aalim) to take knowledge from a teacher; once a person has been given the keys of knowledge ‎‎(mifaatih’l-`ilm) it is then permissible for him to peruse and study texts on his own. ‎
This, however, is conditioned by his constant reviewing what he learns from these texts with his teachers ‎and questioning them regarding their obscure and problematic passages. It should not be misunderstood ‎that he obtained his knowledge from books alone, but that once the keys of knowledge were granted him ‎by his teachers, then there was no harm in him studying texts that fell into his hand.
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The third way is: “…and from what had been collected from the texts…” This means that many of his own ‎teachers composed their own abridgements of the various elemental sciences such as medicine, ‎astronomy, physiognomy, cosmology, the science of letters and others; either in Arabic prose or verse; or ‎in Hausa or Fulfulde`. These works circulated among the Fudiawa and were further abridged, versified, ‎translated and commented upon. I will discuss some of these scholars as well as their works, Allah willing. ‎

The fourth way is: “…and from extensive perusal of these texts with comprehension…” In ‎this context, Shaykh Abd’l-Qaadir Dan Tafa infers by the phrase 'mutaaliaat' to mean repetition (takraar) and reiteration (tardeed). ‎
He corroborated this by using the expression ‘kathra’ (extensive). This is an indication that real ‎comprehension of any text or issue can only occur through repetitive reading or recitation. The expression ‎‎‘kathra’ (many/extensive) implies multiplication and its numerical amount is always more than ten. My ‎teachers in the Bilad’s-Sudan always ordered me to read a passage I desired to learn by heart at least 41 ‎times before closing or averting my eyes and attempting to recite it from memory. This is, of course after ‎having transcribed the passage with my own hand. ‎
Shaykh Abd’l-Qaadir Dan Tafa, may Allah be merciful to him qualified, the repetitive reading of texts with ‎the expression ‘bi’l-fahmi’ (with comprehension). Understanding (fahm) is the infinitive noun taken from ‎the verb ‘fahima’ (to understand) and it means to apprehend the meaning of a thing. Al-Amidi said: “It is the ‎excellence of intelligence in respect to its ability to swiftly apprehend subjects of inquiry that present ‎themselves to it.”
Thus, Shaykh Abd’l-Qaadir Dan Tafa, may Allah be merciful to him infers that his perusal of the texts of the ‎elemental sciences were repetitive but not tedious because it was accompanied with comprehension; ‎either with an understanding transmitted from his teachers, an understanding extracted from his own ‎critical thinking or through metaphysical intuition. ‎

The fifth way is: “…or through transmission from those who mastered them…” Again Shaykh Abd’l-Qaadir ‎Dan Tafa, may Allah be merciful to him uses the expression ‘naql’ (direct textual transmission). However in ‎this context he means his teachers would transmit to him directly from memory and orally what they had ‎mastered of the elemental sciences. The expression ‘dhawee’ (those who mastered) comes from the noun ‎‎‘dhuu’ meaning the possessor, owner, or master of a thing. Linguistically it is a prefixed noun which is ‎followed by the thing owned, possessed or mastered. ‎
Allah ta`ala says: “…and Pharoah the owner of massive pillars (dhu ‘l-awtaad).” He says: “…in order that the ‎one who possesses wealth (dhu si`at) can expend from his abundance.” He says: “Indeed the assault of your ‎Lord is severe. He is the One who originates and rejuvenates. He is the Forgiving the Loving, the Master of ‎the Glorious Throne (dhu’l-`arsh’l-majeed).”
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Thus, the one who masters a thing is the one who knows it intrinsically, is conversant in it, and can expound ‎on it from all of its comprehensible aspects. The masters of the elemental sciences are those who can ‎elucidate these sciences accurately and soundly without the help of transmitted text.
This is what Shaykh ‎Abd’l-Qaadir Dan Tafa, may Allah be merciful to him indicated in his poem.‎
What is certain is these elemental sciences are lawful sciences and prohibited arts which were inherited ‎from the religious communities prior to Islam; and they should never be confused for the sciences of ‎secrets (`uluum al-asraar).‎

END.

LadunaI:

OK.... Thanks for this article but what is relationship with the diagram?

From @RAZRAM:
“I posted the diagram to show the corresponding relationship between the sciences”.

Rasram:


I stopped searching for the knowledge at the extreme end when i discovered i can go against the rules in future and it isn't a small process oo even it has been developed to a software but only that person has it. And can only be released on oath i guess

Okay, thank you.