₦airaland Forum

Ihedinobi: If it is what we preach that you were representing then you were mistaken and haibe corrected you. We do not preach that you are condemned for being naturally disposed to sin. We preach that because you're naturally disposed to sin, you will most definitely sin and become worthy of condemnation unless you accept the covering of Jesus's atonement.

So why then are we 'naturally predisposed' to sin? Is it not because Adam ate the fruit? Meaning that our DNA became faulty because of Adam? Is that not a case of we being punished for something we didn't know of?

wirinet: If life defined by us is presumptuous, then how would you define life?

All the physical constants are the same throughout the universe. The mass of the electron, proton and neutron is constant, the charges of these particles are constant. the atomic weight of all the elements in the periodic table are constant. The speed light in a vacuum is constant, etc. in fact physics depends on constants. So why would the laws governing other parts of the universe be significantly different from ours.

Get this, life as defined by us is not presumptuous. What i'm saying is presumptuous is that we tend to say that since the basic building block of life here on earth is carbon then it must be so everywhere else in the universe. The problem with that is, we have not encountered extraterrestial life forms yet to make such conclusions. Whose to say we won't find aliens with say, titanium based building blocks? We cannot categorically state that for every and all life to exists everywhere and anywhere in the universe, it must be carbon based. Do you get it now?

N/B: I assume our definition of life is MR NIGER D?

haibe: "believe" is the key word, if he doesn't believe, then he can't accept it even if the truth is staring at him, same with you.

So why don't you believe in Allah first and then the truth of the Koran will be made manifest to you. When you can objectively answer this then we will discuss further. . .

@Billionaire, like i said you are very much entitled to your facts. Don't just expect us to indulge you. Lets wait for science to discover what you already know

@Wirinet, my Nitrogen example was just that, an example. Nevertheless, aren't you making an assumption based on our limited knowledge of the universe? It seems quite presumptuous to argue that life as defined by us and as exists on planet earth should be the basically the same everywhere else in the universe. How much do we know about the universe?

joel lala: To be frank, christainity is a form of religion..we all know that deep down our hearts.

Thank you. Pls tell it to your fellow brethren. This their claim is irksome.

If anything, it is Islam that can be argued to be both a religion and a way of life. . .

haibe: if you don't believe the bible, how will you believe bible truths? plaetton.

how do you expect him to believe when so called bible truths are being shown to be sometimes ridiculous? What is truth to you? Is something true because it pronounces itself true or is something true because it is based on established facts?

plaetton: What?

What am I reading again from this guy?

Let slowly try to absorb this.

So, man is already doomed to be a sinner because of his sinful nature( by this you mean his faulty DNA).
And because of this faulty DNA man will ultimately need a saviour, a repairman , so to speak, to renew the sinful DNA to salvation.
This is what you mean right?

And , of course, if man refuses to be saved or repaired, then god throws him into the furnace for eternity. Right?

Hhhmmm

Now, my question is whose fault was it in creating the Faulty DNA?
Was it the faulty DNA carrier(ADAM) or the maker(God)?

Man, religion gets more ridiculous everyday.

Bros i tire!
Born in not Born with
Sinful nature not Already sinful.

Gymnastics aplenty

Ihedinobi: "Born with (actually, the word is 'in') sin" = "convicted" to you? How so?

Whatever the semantics are, you guys preach that any man born of a woman is already sinful and unless he accepts jesus etc, he will be eternally doomed. No be so? The major point being that Adam's sin is already imprinted in our DNA and will send us to hell unless we repent.

I think from the answers given to my question that it is in fact not wise to dismiss the notion that life cannot exist in Mars because its conditions are not earth like. . .
Nevertheless, let us not jump the gun and start making wild assumptions. Only Billionaire has such leeway

Ihedinobi: My apologies. I read your op a bit too hastily. I see that you meant their offspring not themselves personally.

Now, educate me please, what innocent offspring are condemned for eternity for no sins of their own?

According to christian theology, we are born with sin already. Er. . . That sounds like innocent baby being already convicted to me o!

plaetton: Didn't you just say that Satan was cast down years after the first century?

Do you know when the first century was?

Can you give us an exact date in the first century when this momentous event occurred?

circa 1914

TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN

Is it possible that life can exist in far different way than we know of? Say, living organisms surviving on Nitrogen instead of Oxygen and CO2?
Why i ask is because we tend to assume that for something to be called life, it has to survive based on our own conditions of survival. . . Any answers here?

The threat of the consequences of not paying tithe is greater than that of tax.

The promised reward of paying tithe is greater than that of tax.

So you see. . . They are putting their money where their mouth is. Never mind the fraud and illegality involved

Billyonaire: Hell, is a lie, may be she knows.

You think so? A person that believes in virgin birth, man from dust? Ok, make we de wait. . .

Odunayo1119: @op...u need to think very well bfor u just type anything....if God can create Adam from dust,then why cant a virgin be pregnant? Its people like u dat make God repent in creating humans... How can u just underestimate the power of d living God? Its still a miracle that u are still alive sef

this post is incomplete! where is the threat of hell fire!!!?

HumbledbYGrace: We have a christian chat box, which caters for all kinds of discussions christians might wanna have. Then there is a non christian chatbox, and the satanic chatbox, don't you think those are enough?

Any kind of discussion can have a thread right? And it can have any name but not 'christian chatbox' tagged to it.

I thought the name of the thread was 'Religion section chatbox-general discussions', created presumably to act as a mixed zone for everybody. I didn't see anything like 'Christian chatbox' on the title.' Correct me if i'm wrong. . .

HumbledbYGrace: Links please

never mind. . .It was on this complaints thread but now it has been hidden so i can't find it again.

On the new chat thread created, i don't see how the reason/rhetoric question you posed to Alfa properly addressed why the new chat thread was locked. Its not like he asked for it to be stickied or so. . .we are free to create chat threads, no?

Logicboy03: Smh....so much for common sense

Its a classic confirmation bias. My religion is better than yours. . .

@OP, between Mike Tyson and incredible hulk who will knock each other out?

bolaino: bros, I respect u very much, and it's funny u didn't get my message, read it very well, the message wasn't for u, it was for ur opponent. And it sEems the guy thinks I'm on his side. U showed great intelligence in your posts on this thread, and I respect u more sire.

I was suprised too. The message was quite clear, the subtle references and all that. Anyway, your thread has been massively derailed
sorry ya?

Chibuebem: I checked out your links before, didn't see a shred of evidence.

i really can't help you then

You can deny God all you want too

This is the sort of arrogant ignorance that pisses me off. . .anyway...

I shoulda listened to ishilove. Battles aren't won by arguing.

You didn't make any sensible argument. Stop giving yourself undeserved credit.

I'll keep to the message sir.

oh pls. By all means

You'll keep to yours until reality dawns in your life.

Smh. . .

We'll still talk Mr troll, we're friends after all ( ) but we won't argue.

We definitely won't argue again.

Might as well call you a 'BASKARD' too

Yea man, i truly deserve it.

thehomer: What do you think the theory of evolution is about?

Probably magic hehehehe

St_Ichimaro.Gin:
I GUESS THE GENTLEMAN'S / FELLOW BROTHER GAME IS OVER WITH THAT CERTAIN SICK BUNCH OF PATHETIC CONSERVATIVE INSULTING ME!!

@Mr Troll,
Im not & cant be deceived/brainwashed by "manouvers" like conservative creatures get in the real world, hence their backwardness in life portrayed !!. You quote me, thinking i wont know u are same with the retarded handle supporting your claim. !! LOL.
.....(let me use this quote indirectly on the punk !!) . ..but let me not clearly imply you are him.

Answer the simple question:
-"why are xtian-dominant nations developed than islam-dominant nations" !!

...but OOPS, u couldnt . How will you when you bear the name 'Troll' like Conservative scumbags do ?

...Anyway, Ignorance & Backwardness are the DNAs of Conservatives, hence i wont bother reply you & ur moniker anymore since all you can offer are insults !!!

There's an adverse effect of taking amphetamines called Stereotype Behaviour. 'nuff said!

Chibuebem: I'm sorry, but I haven't gotten any evidence of evolution in all you just said. If the evidence is included in what you said above, please point it out clearly. You're saying I'm deluded for believing in God, for being a christian, yet you give me no valid reason not to continue with this God who has changed my life. If you can't give me your evidence of evolution, then all you've just said up there is for nothing.

Did you actually click on any of the links i posted up there? I posted 3 links. One from nairaland where the concept of evolution was soundly discussed by intelligent minds. In that thread you will see a lot of links to the evidence you are hiding from. As for Yahweh, i've not even gotten to that yet but it seems as if you are already sweating it
The other 2 links actually debunked that nonsense you put up there about a 6000yr old earth. Yes, i clicked your link and laughed my arse off at the pathetic attempts at pseudoscience your genesis friends tried to show.

Random: Just so you know, the Theory of Evolution is not a theory that goes to prove the existence or non existence of any god/gods. It only shows the process by which the entirety of matter on earth have come to be at this present time. . .
That it is called a theory and not a law does not in any way lessen its validity. Put simply a Scientific Law serves as a sort of Cause and Effect phenomena, if A goes left B must go right; that sort of thing while a Scientific Theory purports to show how and why B must go right when A goes left. A scientific theory is all encompassing and is a result of accumulated evidence, accurate predictions and established facts.

Of course, we don't have all the answers at the moment but no serious individual will look at all the evidence and still come to say that evolution is a myth. Only deluded individuals like you, Chibuebem who are scared of doing proper research will still close their eyes and say ignorant things like "the earth is 6000yrs old" "evolution is a myth" "you have blind faith in a theory which is not even a law" etc

You can deny it all you want but it still doesn't change the facts on ground, to wit: Evolution has proven that we evolved from the Hominids, the human population didn't arise from only 2 humans and that the earth is far more than 6000yrs old. Something your deluded brain has refused to accept. I always knew you were incapable of sustaining intelligent discourse for any lenght of time but i was hoping against hope that you would disappoint me for once. For this folly of mine, i think i'll have to call myself a BASKARD!!!

Mr Troll: COMPLAINT
MODs why was my previous complaint addressing @Uyi's lies against me hidden while the initial false accusation he made allowed to stand? Is there a rational explanation for this?

Are complaints meant to be handled or dismissed off hand?

Alfa Seltzer: Complaints.

My complaints here are hidden without explanations

My threads are locked without any reason given: https://www.nairaland.com/1454555/religion-section-chatbox-general-discussions

What is happening here? Is there an embargo on creating chat threads?

St_Ichimaro.Gin:
Now you are talking bro. I like your maturity !!!

...but 1 more thing bro, are Xtian nations developed than Islamic nations?

ok, which are more developed than the others?

This is becoming really annoying. . .
THERE ARE NO CHRISTIAN NATIONS except the Vatican. You can only say a nation is a christian nation when its laws are made solely with christian principles. On the other hand, there are islamic nations because their laws are made based on the principles of Islam. So if you want, you can rephrase it as . . . The Vatican and other Islamic nations which ones are more developed?

In your desperation to make Christianity look better than Islam, you have come up with some ridiculous statements and notions. You guys are pathetic!

Edit: Until you show how the religious affiliation of a particular country positively affects their developments, your thread remains foolish.
Don't think that the others are ignoring you because they have no answer. . .

Now lets see what you got. . .

Chibuebem:

Now here's my own evidence that you're delusional:

Real scientific findings bear witness to the message of the bible.

What nonsense is this? Real scientific findings? As opposed to what, the findings that don't correspond to your dogmatic positions?

Your scientists were not there millions of years ago. In fact there is no millions of years ago. The earth is quite young actually. There's no such thing as evolution, its bogus and unscientific, darwinian evolution(a change of KINDS, not species) cannot be observed as you claim it happens over millions of years There's a difference between evolution and adaptation.

this is quite sad. The earth is quite young? Say 6000 yrs old?
Pls check out this thread bros, this is becoming annoying. . www.nairaland.com/371029
it is only the wilfully ignorant and deluded that will come out in this present time say that there's no shred of evidence for evolution. You sir, take the crown.

Humans saw fossils, and made silly conclusions since they didn't want to retain God in their knowledge(that's in the bible). The fossils you see are as a result of the great cataclysmic event recorded in the bible, the flood you see. Because of that flood, and the aftermath events,per-flood and post-flood dwelling organisms were devoured, most of them(both aquatic and terrestrial) were buried in mud and lime and sediments following the flood. They are the fossils we see today.

And your oh so wise deductions from the fossil records were got from where. . . The BIBLE! A non scientific fairy tale book. So you expect that when scientists make discoveries they should all run to the bible to see how it fits abi?
Bros, there's something called the scientific method. Science does not go out to debunk any religion. It only happens that the findings do not agree with your religious views. Science does not owe it to any religion to present their findings in order to see how they fit. So this your nonsense conclusions about the fossil records have no base in science and i'd rather take the scientific view over any religious hogwash. Such arrogant nonsense!

Here's romans chapter 1. . .blah blah blah. . .
Yes you see. They refused to retain God in their knowledge and thinking they were wise, they became fools. It is foolish to degrade yourself from a man created in God's image, to a primate.

Oh! We're too special to be primates(do you even know what primate means?) but we are not too special to come from. . . DUST. Smh

When you look at nature and the fossils in relation to scripture, ALL uncertainties are answered and done away with. There's no shred of evidence for evolution and the big bang, that's why its still theory you see. You are the deluded one my friend, not me. You are brainwashed enough to believe you arose from apes and nothingness. To insult the dignity of humanity.

This is an example of a deluded fellow. Just because you don't like to be associated with APES you would close your eyes to the myriad evidence and insist on a view that has no evidence or instead twist the available evidence to suit your preconceived notions.

If humans arose from apes, why are there no living intermediaries today? And why are the apes still alive?

This is silly. Humans DID NOT evolve from apes. We share a common ancestor. Pls do some research. The world is leaving you behind in your ignorance. . . And oh, there are records of fossil intermediaries. Check out the Human-Chimpanzee-Last-Common-Ancestor. . .

Smh my friend. You see, here's evidence of a young earth- http://www.answersingenesis.org/get-answers/features/young-earth-evidence/

There're fossils where aquatic and terrestrial organisms were buried together, fossils of aquatic organisms in very high mountains of the world, land forms that can only be explained by massive erosion of moving waters. All these are explained in the bible and in the flood.

This is Hilarious! You expect me to take a christian apologist site over scientific views. Really?
Pls see where your nonsense 6000yr old earth theory was debunked www.talkorigins.org/faqs/dalrymple/scientific_age_earth.html

www.wikipedia.org/wiki/age_of_the_earth.

This is not about science shaa. I'm going through the grounds of science to get the message of the gospel to you.

you sir, are pathetic. I'm begining to regret this. I mean, have you taken time to really know what a scientific theory is and why the Theory of Evolution will NEVER be called the Law of Evolution? Pls read scientific opinions bros. Open your mind. answersingenesis is not a scientific site and therefore their pseudoscientific opinions are not recognised anywhere. . .

@Chibuebem! Really!!!? My response coming right up. Chei!

texanomaly: Oops...I thought he was being sarcastic with me, as usual. Thanks. I'm so afraid when I come to Nigeria, I'm going to offend people left and right. *sigh*

lol. Don't worry you'll do alright. We are not as hostile in real life as we appear here online
Just smile a lot but be careful not to ask too much questions from strangers

First Evidence against @Chibuebem

THE HUMAN EVOLUTION

Now, The genesis account specifically said that Yahweh created only 2 humans and it is from them that we currently have the over 6 billion humans in the world today. . .

What does the evidence say?
Science says that the modern man, Homo Sapiens actually emerged as a distinct specie of the Hominids i.e Great Apes (Not directly from dust ). Is there compelling evidence for this?
Yes there are quite a lot of evidence for this. The study of human evolution is an interdisciplinary study involving Physical Anthropology, Primatology, Archaeology, Linguistics, Evolutionary Psychology, Embryology and Genetics. . . .

It is known that primates diverged from other mammals about 85 million yrs ago and the earliest fossils appeared about 55mya. . .

The earliest genus is the Homo Habilis which diverged from the Australopithecines about 2.3mya.

Also from fossil evidence among other things suggests that the earliest genus of the Homo evolved from Africa(not Garden of Eden ) and spread through out europe and asia through different stages of migration.
Archaic Homo Sapiens evolved between 400,000 and 250,000 yrs ago and they may have interbred with the Nearnderthals and Denisova Hominim as it has been shown that between 5-7% of their genomes are present in modern humans. . .

Modern humans actually evolved about 200,000yrs ago and there are numerous fossil intermediaries to show the evolutionary pathway.

This is by no means my original thoughts and i'll be happy to present links to back up what i wrote there if you want to dispute their correctness.

What can we conclude from this then?

From the myriad of available evidence, it is quite clear that modern humans, the Homo Sapiens did not in fact spring up from dust and did not certainly come from only 2 humans but rather we evolved from a common ancestor together with other primates.

It is only a delusional person(read Chibuebem) who, in the face of such compelling evidence will still choose to believe in the Jewish Creation myth.

Stay tuned. . .

texanomaly: Sigh

I said hello

Sorry won't make that mistake again.

lol. You asked him "how you de". The average Nigerian will respond by saying "We thank God". In his case. . .