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bigfrancis21: Apparently it turns out that Western Union is way cheaper than $100.

No please, go back to the boyfriend topic. I liked that one way better.

bigfrancis21: Relax, don't worry I will send money to that your boyfriend in Ibadan very soon via western union because I know you can't and I will upload the picture here for you to see. Okay?

Na boyfriend matter now? Na character assassin you wan start now abi? Do you have any other punchline cos that was weak AF!!! Lmaooooooooooo. Okay, here we go. Continuee. You will soon burst an artery

bigfrancis21: I was just waiting for this. Now, here's the proof you asked for.

See your life outside? How do you pass in school? Is that Western Union or Moneygram? Where in my post did I talk about Moneygram? I've been asking you for evidence since yesterday and because you didn't have it, you couldn't show them. Now you have one and you're suddenly over the moon. I see where you're coming from. This is gonna be my last post to you okay? Sorry I bruised your ego. Bye

bigfrancis21: Mind you I recently sent money to Nigeria. I paid $16 using money gram and for western union it is $18.5. Simply walk into any western union outlet and confirm for yourself. Winning some uselss internet battle won't do you any good.

Pictures don't lie. Do they? Show me your proof. And oh dearie, I pick my battles well. You're the least person I will brawl with, simply because you aren't worth it. All I can do is try to talk to you like an intellectual and an educated fellow that i hoped you are. I'm not trying to win any battle, I'm only trying to let you know you're wrong about some stuffs. Okay?

BigFrancis:
You're such a baby and You sound like a whiny kid. I no dey follow you fight. But just because you were caught napping last night you were looking for something to discredit me and save your reputation on here. I don't care for you, if you like jump on each and every of my post on here... fact still is you were wrong last night and I wasn't. All those long posts of yours are nothing but the antics of a baby trying to stay relevant.

I will suggest you really learn how to take correction and move on from it. Cos that is part of where your problem lies. I should let you know, I fully expect you to go digging on every post I've made since I joined NL in your quest to make me look bad and burn me at the stakes. I will also let you know I don't give a hoot.

These antics of yourself isn't saving your face on this thread at all, on the contrary its only making you look more confused and bitter in the eyes of every other member of this thread. If you like quote me again. Na you get your hand. Learn to let go, sweetie. It's over

bigfrancis21: Feexo,

Be aware of false information being peddled around here. The charge for Western Union to send ordinary $1,000 is only $18.50 and not $100. With MoneyGram it is $14 - $16 for money up to $1000.

Which foreign exchange charges $100 on ordinary $100 being sent? Lack of common sense.

You're a baby. I thought you were an adult but obviously not. I was wrong and so were you. You quoted $18.50 as the transfer fee. Well sucks for you that's not true as well. I will upload a screen grab in a minute.

dimmy08: Gtb sud not dull me ooo...all my cash is in my gtb card...hop it work when I get to yankee.

If it doesn't work when you swipe it, use the ATM. It should definitely work.

Some people just have or.gasms whenever they see my posts. Their blood pressure spikes and they can't control themselves anymore . Yeah, I made a mistake and yeah i'm not afraid to accept I did. Don't die on top my matter o

No wonder mamacita called you out the other time. Self esteem= 0. Dilly dallying with a woman. Okay, no vex say I exposed you last night. Do.

Feexo: BigFrancis, I got quoted $110 by gotobus.com, and the bus does not even leave NY until Wednesday evening. I tried using Greyhound so that I can compare prices and go for the cheaper of the two, but their website is malfunctioning . What do you think? My friend here is willing to give me her bank card to do it and I want to book the bus today so I can leave for Chicago ASAP.

House, has the new directive/policy by CBN taken effect? My pal is sending me money tomorrow and I want him to use Western Union and not deposit into my GTBank account.

I suggest you allow the person deposit it into your GTB account and you use your bank card to withdraw it.

1. I'm not sure the CBN/Western Union thingy has taken effect yet.
2. Its gonna shorten your money if you use western Union, because of the charges involved. Be prepared to pay like $80 as charges if the person is sending $1000 or more. You can always use you GTBank Card on an ATM here and GTBANK will charge you like #420 for the ATM charges and the bank which you're using their ATM will charge $5 max.

Feexo: MsNas, you did mention you can get me introduced to some of the people you are acquainted with in my school. Can you pm me sis?

I just sent you a PM.

juntod: 2004-2007? You gotta be kidding me. I REPEAT, NEVER.

I'm not gonna argue with you. But i will still repeat to you. I, Nas used western Union during those times. Sending and receiving. Check your records well. When did banks stop sending western union out of Nigeria? I guess you're also unaware that before it was stopped there was a cap of how much you ca send out of the country per day. $10,000 or so. Please be sure before you start telling me NEVER. I'm done.

juntod: Nigeria has never been able to send out money via western union or money gram. The only way out is by wire transfer.

Western Union and moneygram transfer used to work in Nigeria, at least I'm 100% sure of 2004-2007. It was stopped due to the activities of money launderers.

Mystiqme: MsNas, our consultant on money matters . What's the best way to receive money from Nigeria, considering I don't have online banking and I have lost touch with my Nigerian account for 2 years now. Western Union? Moneygram?

Lool. Naughty boy . You can't send Western Union from Nigeria anymore. But I don't know about moneygram sha. If both don't work, you have to settle for wire transfer

bigfrancis21: It is funny when you muster all the energy you can muster to supposedly 'school' someone on the law when you obviously know the law but advice somebody to cheat the law. USCIS expressly forbids F1 students from working off-campus, yet you willingly adviced somebody to intentionally take his SSN, which by the way is authorized only for on-campus employment, to go work off-campus. Is this not your post to somebody suggesting to him a way to cheat the US goverment and law, and work off-campus?



Meanwhile, the US law expressly states:



http://www.uscis.gov/working-united-states/students-and-exchange-visitors/students-and-employment

Coming from the supposed master of the law herself. Don't even try modifying your post later to claim otherwise because I have taken a snapshot of it as evidence of wilful disobedience of the law.

Before you try 'schooling' someone else next time, be sure that you are worth your onions before dabbling into an ostensible myriad of needless hullaballoo.

By the way, I am even sure you were ignorantly unaware and didn't even know that a student who works off-campus with their SSN has fallen out of status? Yet you advised somebody to willingly violate his visa terms and fall out of status.


https://internationalaffairs.uchicago.edu/page/loss-status

Are you even aware that the penalty for working off-campus is outright deportation back to one's home country? I bet you didn't know that. You need a lot of schooling on your ignorance of basic rules and laws of the F1 student visa.

Please next time try not to mislead people on this forum with wrong advice and information. This is the internet and information is archived. Someone might read your post and think it is valid, only to go work off campus, be caught and deported back to his home country.

I doubt if you're gonna be getting any sleep tonight. This is gonna be my last post to you today. You were so pained that you had to go digging through my posts? I simply don't understand you. Where was I helping him cheat the law? Where did I advise him to go work outside? While you're at it, digging my posts and looking for dirt and mud to sling at me I also suggest you quote the part where I advised him to go to school and talk to his supervisor who can help him get student employment. Feexo, please come and testify to this. Need I remind you that we are talking about the rules governing deferment and not student employment here? First it was IRS issue that you dragged in. Now its student employment. I have a lot of things I could say to you but because I'm an adult and I assume you are too, I won't stoop that low. But I should point out that you are not behaving like a man. Dirt digging is a woman's occupation which even I as a woman won't indulge in not to talk of a man like you.

I didn't wanna say it before but it's really obvious you have a problem with comprehending simple English. You shouldn't be pasting links that pertains to student F-1 employment or not now because I was inviting you to do the same on SeVIS and deferment but because you had nothing on it, you couldn't do so. I'm not misleading anybody... go back and read my posts well and if you can comprehend it, you will see where I denounced working with your Student ID. you're the one who is misleading the populace by giving half truths. And no, I won't modify the said post of mine that you quoted because whatever I say or write on here I have justification and stand with it 100%. And I'm pretty sure that's what you do cos you even thought to mention it. Please don't do it anymore. Always defend whatever you say.

I suggest you read my post which you quoted and read it again. Slowly this time around as I don't have time to be explaining every little detail to you. FYI: I know rules governing unlawful employment cos if I could lay the rules about deferment bare like that for you about what we were arguing about previously, then it would be foolishness if I don't acquaint myself with such rules. if anything I can help you with that again when the time comes. Its late BigFrancis, go and sleep. I know you will quote me again, but I'm simply too tired this moment that I won't reply you anymore. Go and Sleep, it must be 3:30am or so in MD right now. Otito, sogbo? Have a good night rest.

Goodnight BigFrancis. Contrary to my claims of being gingered, I'm actually tired I got things to do in the morning. O daaro o

bigfrancis21: @bold...Not at all. You seem to be speaking out of experience. You've used more smileys more than me, littered all over your write-ups.

okay

bigfrancis21: I said it. Another round of argument on tax returns has begun.

I guess you're 'gingered' to stay up all night till 7am in the morning proving some law to me which I already know about?

You brought up the issue of IRS, not me, but I'm not here to argue IRS with you. I'm here to talk about deferment of SEVIS status with you and will argue till whenever you're ready to admit you were in the wrong. So...Whatever time it takes to make sure you're schooled. Going by your recent posts, its obvious you're ignorant about a lot of things. I will suggest you read those links i put up in the course of this discourse and understand a few things

bigfrancis21: LOL. With all the energy she can muster.

Yes oo. With all the energy I can muster because I know I was right and because I know I just gave you a schooling you won't forget in a hurry. You're a man and your ego must be bruised.. so I understand all your face saving antics. Pele. And do not argue when you're not 100% sure next time. At least not with me

Your last statement said I was being emotional... oh yeah I was. If I can admit I was too, then you should admit you were too and stop hiding between smileys that reflect nothing about how you're feeling right now. You are seething. Be gracious enough to admit it. Doesn't make you less human

You shouldn't have modified your last post please. I saw it and I have replied you accordingly. I will say everything I have said all night to your face if you were standing right in front of me at this moment. There is no crime in getting emotional.

bigfrancis21: The strength you put into harping about a point on an online forum is amazing. F1 Visa rules also forbids international students from working off-campus which you very well know and you admitted the other day on your post about students you know who working off-campus with their SSN. IRS, which is currently understaffed, don't devote their time and energy pursuing these students. It is not as if they can't go for these students but rather they go for millionaires who try to doge paying taxes. These students even file tax returns the following year on jobs they did outside campus and receive their tax returns. You argue like the law is as blank as A and B with no ways in-between when you yourself know some things are otherwise.

PS: This is my observation of what is going on here in the US. I am not advocating for anybody to work off-campus, lest another round of proving the law begins again.

Oh please!! Shove it. You got outplayed and you don't like it. What are we talking about and what point are you jumping on?? See me see wahala oo. The strength I put in into harping what point? I guess you'd rather talk about the strength I put into schooling you, BigFrancis. Yes, IRS doesn't put effort into chasing students down, but IRS and DHS and ICE and whatever governmental agency will put in the effort when you're applying for reinstatement cos that isn't a run of the mill thing.

And when did we start talking about employment and tax issue here? I thought we were talking about deferment and SEVIS and the status that ensure. I see no reason why you should bring student employment into this. And since we talking about IRS and tax returns, I guess I should ask you if you knew that IRS select tax returns applications for random review and they will ask you to submit additional document even after filling your taxes? Failure for it to add up spells trouble, did you know that? Yeah, people work of-campus and still receive their returns.. but I Nas, won't do so. I won't base my American experience on the fact that someone did it a and it was successful, I will be successful when I do it. I am not here to work but to get an education. And I will do absolutely nothing to jeopardize that.

Tax issue is different and many people cheat the system including citizens. Know that the US don't play with immigration. The F1 visa and SEVIS is so straight forward that you really need to follow the guidelines. I suggest you follow immigration discourse and see how the government and everybody is up in arms about it.

And lastly, why will I not argue on any point if I was sure about myself?

bigfrancis21: @bold...you are saying this and my school website is saying this:



You see how contradictory your statements are?

The funny thing is this guy isn't even in my school to start with yet he says his school granted him temporary leave and he's in the US.

I'm done with you dude. You for real? Did you read what you posted? I don't think I have any more strength to start explaining what you posted with your own hands to you again. Your school website stated leave of absence is granted (bear in mind that the statement applies to both Domestic and International Student)...Accepted. It also states that the only condition with which an international student can remain in the US after a leave of absence or deferment is if he/she has a critical illness or medical condition. I really don't understand you, I swear.

I suggest you take time and sit down, not in a hurry to reply my post and contradict me and really read what I've been writing all night long. Then you'll see I have been saying the same thing over and over again. Yes, You are allowed to defer your admission for a semester or two. But No, you are not allowed to remain in the US during those period when you are not enrolled in classes. Read my friend, READ!

bigfrancis21: My school website says this:

Length of Leaves

Application for a leave of absence may be made on a one- or two-semester basis. A leave of absence ordinarily will not be granted for more than one academic year. Leaves requested for a longer period are approved only in exceptional circumstances. An approved leave for one semester will be extended to two semesters as needed, if so requested by the applicant prior to the expiration of the approved one- semester leave of absence.

International students.

Non-immigrant F-1 and J-1 students and their dependents must maintain legal immigration status at all times. Students with F-1 or J-1 visas must be enrolled full-time every semester at the University while they remain in the United States. The possible exception that might allow a student to remain in the United States while on an approved leave of absence might be a serious illness or medical condition. Students are advised to consult with International Student and Scholar Services for more information when considering a leave of absence.

http://www.gradschool.umd.edu/catalog/registration_policies.htm#8

Your last block of statement..... Isn't that what what I have been harping on about? Thread members!!! Make una follow us judge this matter oo I stated it explicitly, You are not supposed to be in the United States after you defer your admission except if you have a serious medical condition or illness!

Is your Nepali friend pregnant? Is he life threateningly sick? If not, then I suggest you let him know he is and illegal alien. I don't expect you to have any basis of argument after reading the bolded part of the link you posted up there

bigfrancis21: With the argument going back and forth, people would think I am advocating for people to defer their admission after they do a semester or 2. Meanwhile, here's my original post few days ago to someone who asked for advice:

https://www.nairaland.com/1482362/general-u.s.a-student-visa-enquiries-part5/462#25431119

I suggested the advice of 2 to him because I have seen someone who did that. I wouldn't publish my friend's name here or full personal details about him over an e-argument. Before meeting this my friend, I never even knew this was possible.

My only point here is, deferment while in America is possible under certain situations and you need not go back to your country in some situations.

Dude, where and when did I invite you to publish your friend's name? Did I mention any of my friend or acquaintance's name in this argument? I only asked you to back up your claims with concrete and logical evidence from sources like government website, law firms or immigration forums. Until you do that, I am not taking you serious.

PS: you said you didn't tell anybody to do what you wrote, but you inferred that your friend did it and it was succesful. Anybody who read what you wrote could also decide to do it and will land in hot Jambalaya . Your forgot that this is the www and information is archived. Someone can stumble on that said post of yours and be like "Hell, someone did it and it worked. Lemme try it too" Always be sure that the information you're giving is 101% sure. If anybody cared to follow my posts on Nairaland, I tend to be a pessimist until I'm sure about whatever I'm delving into and not be an optimist who has the inglorious task of clearing debris because I didn't have enough info before I delved into a venture.

I don't care if the NEPALI guy is working under the table or not. He has been illegal since his SEVIS has been terminated even with authorized withdrawal. He's expected to be in NEPALI now and not in America. That is my point.

Lastly, I will still reiterate this... according to http://www.murthy.com/2013/01/28/cancellation-of-student-visa-and-visa-reapplication-from-abroad/
Advance Planning Recommended
If a student needs to take an extended break, approval should be obtained from the school / university. If appropriate, the SEVIS record will be terminated as an authorized withdrawal (preferable to appearing simply not to have complied with the terms of status). The student will receive a new I-20 and SEVIS registration when s/he is ready to resume studies. Of course, the student cannot remain in the United States without status simply because the withdrawal was authorized. It would be necessary either to change to some other lawful status in the U.S. to remain legally or else to depart the U.S. and seek readmission as a student, if that is the goal.
Students need to be mindful of status and visa issues. As always, foreign nationals should consult with an experienced attorney before taking any action that may impact their immigration status and future options.

Joenice: Both of you should go to sleep now :-)

Lol, actually, he just gingered my morale.

bigfrancis21: There she goes again. How can you say falling out of status isn't willing? Some students come into US with no money or intent to enrol into school and, according to you, their falling out of status isn't willing? You are really funny.

You mixed up wilful neglect(not returning to school without permission) with wilful official deferment of admission which are two different things as seen from the lens of the law, which I am glad you've finally gotten the difference at long last.

I think you are the one who needs to comprehend what I was writing well There he goes again! So far you haven't made me convinced with your arguments. You're only nipping at bits and pieces of what I've wrote and trying to twist English into what-not. Take my whole post apart, gimme a sound argument and back it up with evidence. I think that will suffice perfectly. Don't just pick random parts and argue about that.

Yet another evidence to back up my claim. The bolded part below was an excerpt from this link http://www.murthy.com/2013/01/28/cancellation-of-student-visa-and-visa-reapplication-from-abroad/
The authorized withdrawal from your program is "authorized withdrawal to return home" and not to stay in the united states
You must leave within 15 days after this has been updated in your SEVIS
I really recommend you read the links well and not skim through.

bigfrancis21: If you are this well-versed about SEVIS records, now tell our readers what status will be updated online for a pregnant student on extension/deferment?

PS: extension based on medical reasons is permitted by law but obviously missing on the website you provided. Since you have the final say in SEVIS records, please tell us what the student's status will be?

Please you're starting to get emotional which is not needed in a discussion like this. im referring to the bolded part of your post. Where and when did I say I had the final say? I'm only giving you facts based on what I read and made public on the thread. If you're so sure about your argument then I invite you to publish your sources

To your question, even a person that defered his/her admission based on medical reasons will still fall out of status if he/she stays back in the US. But the only difference is that the person has a solid basis for reinstatement because he/she has a medical condition. What would be said for the dude who doesn't have a medical condition that chose to stay back in America? What is his basis for reinstatement?

The day you take permission from attending school is when your SEVIS record would be terminated. And FYI, your DS would only terminate it and report to SEVIS that it is an authorized withdrawal.
So, what do you do when the SEVIS has been cancelled? You can not and never stay in the USA with this. You must go back to your country and reapply whenever you are ready. And the school will issue you a new I-20 and SEVIS whenever you are.

As for the question you asked me about pregnant women, I will suggest you read the link I gave you well enough and not just skim through it. I will also copy an excerpt from it and paste it on here...
Guidelines to Drop Below a Full Course of Study for Medical Conditions

F-1 students with documented medical conditions can take a reduced course load or no course load at all. A student must provide you with medical documentation, which you should maintain in the student’s file. The documentation must be from a licensed medical doctor, doctor of osteopathy or licensed clinical psychologist in order for you to authorize a reduced course load.
So yes, as the DSO, you do not have to concur with the medical reason. You must document the reason and then ensure that the student does not exceed the authorized amount of time at less than a full course load. The authorization period cannot exceed an aggregate of 12 months per program level. This means a student who dropped to half time for one semester in freshman year can drop to half time again for one semester in junior year, if needed.

bigfrancis21: @bold...those were your exact words, quoted below:

You're really funny. What I meant was that you willingly chose to defer your admission. But falling out of status isn't willing. You may chose to return to your home country and not fall out of status or remain in the US and provide GOOD and LOGICAL reason for staying in the country. Why are you picking on bits and pieces of my arguments tho? Address my whole post with concrete evidence.

I'd like to ask you a question. Yes, you can take permission from attending school for one or two semesters just like every students in the US do whether domestic or international. My point is this, is your SEVIS terminated or active even with the approval from your school?

bigfrancis21: 1)You keep making the same mistake of assumption. There is a difference between not returning to school without taking official permission(wilful neglect) and actually taking permission to extend studies for a semester or 2. It is the latter which I am talking about which is possible and is not considered 'falling out of status'. Get this right.

2) By your definition, pregnant students who are unable to enrol in a semester are also willingly falling out of status because they chose to get pregnant and give birth right?

You are the one making the assumptions. I am making my arguments based on what I read from the ice.gov website.
If you took the time and patience to read my earlier post, I made reference to the fact that you can defer based on medical conditions, but it cannot be more than 5 months. Tell me, isn't complications or the stress of pregnancy a medical condition? Then how/why will deferment by a pregnant woman be deemed as falling out of status willingly?

Take time to read my earlier post. If you still have doubts, then we can talk. And please substantiate your argument with facts from a credible government source. Thanks.

PS: Okau, yes. You can take permission from attending school for one or two semesters just like every students in the US do whether domestic or international. My point is this, is your SEVIS terminated or active even with the approval from your school?

Joenice: @MsNas, I've been following your discussion. You're simply right. For those thinking about defering while in the States, they can switch to Community College.

You're kinda right. Why risk the deferment and reinstatement route(which is not sure at all) when you can get a CC? But the option is only available for Undergrads, sadly.

bigfrancis21: Basically, all you said are under the assumption of wilful neglect on the part of the student to enrol in a coming semester without proper permission from the school. In that case it is not deferment but carelessness on the student's part. Or maybe you are in a haste to forget that deferment, by itself, is an official action taken with the school and to defer/extend admission is an action granted only by the school and it is this particular deferment I am referring to. If a student decides not to enrol in the coming semester without informing the school about it or taking permission from the school, that is when he/she has fallen out of status. It is in this case that the so-called reinstatement comes into play. The student who has willingly fallen out of status, ie failed to show up at the beginning of classes for the next semester, will have to hire a lawyer, file necessary fees for reinstatement and prove with a good cause why he fell out of status.

@bold...Deferment/extension is allowed only for a limited number of semesters just as deferment before arrival is limited by 1, 2 or 3 semesters by most schools. Schools are very much aware of students who would want to take advantage of such allowance is easily permitted. In effect, the statement in bold is only an exaggeration of the issue.

Yes, my friend is on deferment for 2 semesters. He's Nepali and doing his masters in Computer science. SEVIS records must have a way of reporting deferment cases like his on their SEVIS records.

Thank you.

Let me pick you're argument apart for the sake of the people reading this.

1. You said I was basing my argument on the premise of willful neglect on the students' part. I suggest you re-read my post and see that there was no place where I talked about willful neglect. Anybody that decided to defer isn't neglecting nada, he chose to do it willfully because he'she cannot meet the finacial obligations of enrolling in school or for some other reason.

2. I understand deferment is at the discretion of a student, but that doesn't mean there aren't rules governing it. Look at it this way. The sole purpose of your F-1 Visa is to come here to school. You decided to defer and not go to school for sometime, then what is your purpose of being in the country?

3. I will remind you again, deferment isn't in the SEVIS dictionary. I suggest you ask your Nepali friend for the true story. It what he says you will believe and there's absolutely no way for you to know if he's lying or not.

4. How many students who willingly fell out of status can hire a lawyer to petition for reinstatement? I'm pretty sure you're aware that the its a 50-50 chance. It is not set in stone that even after hiring a lawyer to petition for you, you're gonna be reinstated? See why schools tell people who defer their admission to return back to their countries? Or have you not heard about people who are denied admission back into the US simply because their I-20 was not signed before they left? Uncle Sam makes the rules as it deems fit. He tweaks it as he deems fit and there's little or nothing we can do about it.

As always, I back my arguments with claims. So I will suggest you go look at this page https://www.ice.gov/sevis/factsheet/061605dsoreporting.htm before you accuse me of exaggerating. Please stop assuming without anything to back up your claims. Every claim I've made on this matter has been substanciated with evidence backing it. I will suggest you do so too.

bigfrancis21: Yea. But I have never asked anyone to defer immediately on arrival here. My suggestion all along has been deferring after a semester or two, if short of funds, to be able to gather money and return back to school.

I didn't say you did. But bear in mind that people look on onto this page for advise and some might take any of our ideas (ideas which we have made made out of assumption and in your case because you said people you know have done it).

I'd like to make something clear though, SEVIS does not recognize deferment or all those stuffs. Its either you're enrolled or not. And according to F-1 Visa rules you have to be enrolled full time at all times when you're on an F-1 visa or else your Visa and SEVIS is terminated. This is the reason the schools tell people who are defering to go back home so that they don't have to go through the whole process of reinstating their I-20, SEVIS and Visa which might not even be granted by the DHS.

There is nothing like deferring in America. You take classes this semester and decide to defer for two years. What does that sound to you? Simply put, You are out of status. Period! If deferment was possible and as easy like that, all of us would defer and go look for employment to bankroll our education. Heck! We will defer for 10 years sef.

The only reason you can defer and still stay back in the United States of America is when you have a documented medical condition. Otherwise, if/when you defer, make sure you pack your bags and head back to your home country. Reinstatement after deferring based on a medical condition is not even automatic. Your request to stay back in the US may be granted or denied.

Whoever doesn't enroll for classes in a semester (or defer as you call it) is out of status, is an illegal and deportable from the US. Even if the deferment was caused by sickness, you're still out of status and will need to apply for reinstatement with docs backing your claims of sickness up. All of these shouldn't exceed 5months. So anybody that thinks he/she can defer and come back after 1 or 2 years for reinstatement is on their own.

Quick question BigFrancis... you said your friend deferred for two semesters and will be returning next year right? Is your friend illegal or not? Is his SEVIS still active or not? I would need a YES/NO answer to these questions please. Go to www.ice.gov/exec/sevp/Module3.htm for further information about that. Thank You

polymathic: Brilliant, thanks for the info... Seems u read Com Sci

Yes I did

polymathic: Yes, they're.. So what category will u classify them

No they're not. C++ just like C Language and C# is a programming Language and CCNA (Cisco Certified Network Associate) is a certifying exam for Network Engineers. It's not even remotely close to a Computer package. Computer packages are stuffs like Microsoft Office, Microsoft Project, Corel Draw, Adobe pagemaker and stuffs like that. You can use C++ without actually using a computer. You can write C++ codes without having to open Visual Studio or Boole or any of those platforms. Can you use MS Word or Adobe Acrobat reader without a computer?