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Christianity Etc › Re: Why The Earth Surface Looks Flat by MuttleyLaff: 8:25am On Nov 30, 2019*

budaatum, FOLYKAZE and other interrested parties, please dont click on my post above to quote it because it might cause you to get banned if you do. Copy out whatever in it, you want to comment and paste it into a fresh or new post. Dont quote.

I hope you guys know why I was interested in the Yoruba and/or Ibo worshiping the object, the creation, the sun, as a god. It is because of the seemingly apparent relationship of flat-earthers with sun worshiping. FOLYKAZE, I wonder if in the Yorubas and/or Igbo mythology, they are flat-earthers. Have you anything on this?

Christianity Etc › Re: Was Jesus In The Grave For 3days And 3nights Literally? by MuttleyLaff: 8:08am On Nov 30, 2019

MuttleyLaff:
OK yeah, the "a Jewish day begins and ends at sundown, as in, the time in the evening when the sun disappears or daylight fades" bit you emboldened is uncontestable. Look at the screenshot carefully now.

missjo:
Everything you have contributed is noted sir.

I just have one question regarding the text in bold.
Who saw or observed the exact hour Jesus awakened from the sleep state inside the tomb?

"¹After the Sabbath, at dawn on the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary went to see the tomb.
²Suddenly there was a great earthquake, for an angel of the Lord descended from heaven, rolled away the stone, and sat on it.
³His appearance was like lightning, and his clothes were white as snow.
⁴The guards trembled in fear of him and became like dead men.
⁵But the angel said to the women, “Do not be afraid, for I know that you are looking for Jesus, who was crucified.
⁶He is not here; He has risen, just as He said! Come, see the place where He lay"
- Matthew 28:1-6

The ministering angelic host from heaven, the angel, saw or observed the exact hour Jesus awakened from the sleep state inside the tomb. The angel even told the women Jesus has risen, after 3 days and 3 nights, just as He said He would. No one including the guards could see anything happening inside because of the heavy stone rolled against the tomb entrance

Christianity Etc › Re: Was Jesus In The Grave For 3days And 3nights Literally? by MuttleyLaff: 8:01am On Nov 30, 2019

missjo:
Yea I noted this in my earlier contribution as well.

Okay.

OK yeah, the "a Jewish day begins and ends at sundown, as in, the time in the evening when the sun disappears or daylight fades" bit you emboldened is uncontestable. Look at the screenshot carefully now.

Christianity Etc › Re: Why The Earth Surface Looks Flat by MuttleyLaff: 3:57am On Nov 30, 2019*

budaatum:
Yoruba religion did not rely on going directly to Olorun (Lord of Heaven and all that's in it)), as we had more immediate practical things to take to our practical earth living (sub-)gods to solve. The sun will not stop lions eating you, though it was recognized for putting food in your belly if properly 'worshipped'. Ultimate glory for everything however was to Olorun who is the God of everything, including the sun, even when you went through gods of iron or smallpox to acknowledge that fact. Its like going through a pastor today to get to God. Some things just remain the same.

Again budaatum, I get all that, I get that God, is the God of everything, including the God over the river others worshiped, the rocks they worshiped, the cave they worshiped, the trees they worshiped, but my observation is that from the Egyptians, to the Greeks, the Hindu Indians, the Mayas of Mexico and Central America, the Incas or South American Indians of the Andes region, the Japanese, these lot worshipped the Sun directly but I am not aware the sun ever being directly worshiped in SW, SS SE SSE Naija

FOLYKAZE:
Muttley, Obatala is the deity of light, that covers everything that illuminate, including the sun.

I get that Obatala is the deity of light, that covers everything that illuminate, including the sun, but I am talking of the sun being the object of worship as done by others like the he Egyptians, to the Greeks, the Hindu Indians, the Mayas of Mexico and Central America, the Incas or South American Indians of the Andes region, the Japanese, etcetera. The Yoruba or Ibo, must have known something for not joining the bandwagon that took fancy to worshiping an object of creation, the Sun, so I thought.

Then, my interest, concerning an apparent absence of Africans taking the sun, a created object to be worshiped, I stumbled upon the Fon people, the west african ethnic group from Dahomey, who worshiped Mawu-Lisa, an androgynous deity made up of Mawu, that's female and Lisa, that's male. Mawu-Lisa is told of as one person with two faces. One face, the face of Mawu, is that of a woman whose eyes are the Moon while the other face, the face of Lisa, is that of a man whose eyes are the Sun. The Fon people have affiliation with the Yoruba, they are somehow connected with the Yoruba, as apparently where Mawu means god, Lisa is a derivative word taken from the Yoruba orisa

FOLYKAZE, it might interest you to know that the name Lisa among the Fon appears to have been derived from us, their neighbour, nearby Yoruba people, who use the word oriṣa to refer to lesser deities. The Fon people, apparently see Lisa, as an analogue, of the Yoruba god or oriṣa, Ọbatala, who is at various times, described as the twin brother, husband or son of Mawu. Interesting eh? lol. So I guess that satisfies my curiosity. The Yoruba and/or Ibo, didnt miss the boat, the sun is directly worshiped as an object by them, they accomplished this through the Fon people, with their worship of Mawu-Lisa, the lunar-aligned creatrix sun god.

Christianity Etc › Re: Was Jesus In The Grave For 3days And 3nights Literally? by MuttleyLaff: 2:51am On Nov 30, 2019

missjo:
Muttley why are you counting the period of Jesus hanging on the cross as part of the days and nights?

The prophesies do clearly state ... in the grave for three days and three nights.

https://reasonsforhopejesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/thurs-3-days-chart.jpg

missjo, it is because Jesus was on the cross by 9:00am, died by 3:00pm Thursday day and was buried on same Thursday day before sundown, thats to fulfil the prophecy that clearly stated "... in the grave for three days and three nights" Also missjo, remember that, a Jewish day begins and ends at sundown, as in, the time in the evening when the sun disappears or daylight fades.

Christianity Etc › Re: Was Jesus In The Grave For 3days And 3nights Literally? by MuttleyLaff: 9:05pm On Nov 29, 2019

MuttleyLaff:
If you are catholic christian, yes

Yep, you are on point on all your account(s)

https://reasonsforhopejesus.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/thurs-3-days-chart.jpg

No sire, a ribitoye, because the Jewish day begins and ends at sundown, as in, the time in the evening when the sun disappears or daylight fades. Jesus was on the cross by 9:00am, died by 3:00pm Thursday day and was buried on same Thursday day before sundown
cc pa xonel

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Christianity Etc › Re: Was Jesus In The Grave For 3days And 3nights Literally? by MuttleyLaff: 8:56pm On Nov 29, 2019

missjo:
... it's been a minute since I contributed to religious discussions here but please allow me to share what I have studied on this. The topic of the death & resurrection is of great interest to me.

First of all, the answer to your question is an emphatic YES, the prophesy of three mornings(daylight) and three evenings(night) was fulfilled LITERALLY.

By the old Jewish system of days & nights, a new day began at sunset (6pm) instead of midnight (12am) as we observe presently.
Jesus the Christ died on a wednesday between the hours of 12noon and 3pm (Matt 27:45-56).

How can we be sure it was a Wednesday?
Because of this passage:
John 19:31 King James Version (KJV)
31 The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.

The Sabbath being referred to here does not speak of the regular Jewish Sabbath of Saturday, but rather the high day of the passover (as emphasized by John in his use of parenthesis to explain) also called a Sabbath. This "high day" was held on Thursdays.

Between 3pm and 6pm of Wednesday is the period where Joseph of Arimathea besought Pilate to release the body of Jesus to him for burial (Matthew 27:57-61). All of this could very well have taken approximately 3hours and by the time Jesus was laid in the tomb, it was already a little bit past 6pm of Wednesday.

Now if we start counting from 6pm on Wednesday (remember a new day starts at 6pm), then:
6pm Wednesday - 6pm Thursday = Day 1
6pm Thursday - 6pm Friday = Day 2
6pm Friday - 6pm Saturday = Day 3
Every day of the above is complete with 24hours of evening and morning (Note that the old testament bible records a full day by referring to it as evening and morning, never as morning and evening; another proof that a new day starts at 6pm).

The particular time and hour that Jesus arose can not be ascertained because no one witnessed it. The soldiers who kept watch outside the tomb only witnessed the earthquake and the angel rolling back the stone covering of the tomb which happened to grant Mary Magdalene and Mary mother of James, access into the sepulchre (this happened very early on Sunday morning).

John 20:1 calls it the first day of the week (Sunday) and he wrote that it was still dark (probably about 5am).
Mathew 28:1 says it in much the same way calling it the end of the Sabbath (Saturday) as it began to dawn on the first day of the week (Sunday).

As at the time these two women got there, he had already risen some time after sunset on Saturday evening without the knowledge of the soldiers outside who stood guard. As far as they were concerned, the body of Jesus was still in the tomb by the time the two Marys got there at about 5am on Sunday morning.

MuttleyLaff:
Follow below

It always has been Good Thursday nwanne.

"It was the day of preparation, and the Jewish leaders didn’t want the bodies hanging there the next day, which was the Sabbath
(and a very special Sabbath, because it was Passover week).
So they asked Pilate to hasten their deaths by ordering that their legs be broken. Then their bodies could be taken down."
- John 19:31

It has to be on the authority of John 19:31 above, and no, I dont need to wanna try Good Wednesday because of the fact that the Last Supper occurred on Wednesday, never a Thursday, thus Christ was, in fact, crucified on Thursday, never a Friday.

Thursday day to Thursday night: Jesus was on the cross by 9:00am, He died by 3:00pm and He was off the cross before sundown, so means, 1 day and 1 night
The Jewish day starts at sundown or nightfall of the previous evening, and continues throughout the night and following day, until the next night.
Friday morning to Friday night day: 1 day and 1 night
Saturday morning to Saturday night: 1 day and 1 night (i.e. Jesus rosed before sunrise)
Sunday morning: Resurrection morning

Christianity Etc › Re: "Samson And Delilah" by MuttleyLaff: 1:28pm On Nov 29, 2019

Eviana:
I thought he/she was a child based on some things he/she has written.
My age range for a child is broad.
If the poster is not a child, then my apologies.
Of course God doesn't need my protection.
I'm well aware of that.
But when you love someone, you try and protect him/her right? You want folks to see that person as you see him/her.
Well, when I constantly see my Lord ridiculed, misjudged, misunderstood, mocked etc., here on this forum, it makes me want to defend Him..because I know who He really is.
I just want others to try to understand who He is also...that's all.

It is biblical to be like a child, so necessarily nothing wrong in that poster being a child in my humble opinion.

God has mastered the art of longsuffering in silence. Anybody else, these people will have been yesterday dead for their shameful behaviours.

Genuine people, seekers people, people who are wanting to know, will reach out and ask honest sincere questions. When they do, there is the opportunity to be of service, help and/or an illumination, lol. You might even awake positive something or things in them, lol.

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Christianity Etc › Re: "Samson And Delilah" by MuttleyLaff: 1:02pm On Nov 29, 2019

Eviana:
Oh no...
I'm definitely NOT a biblical "guru"...nowhere near.
Still learning..have much more to understanding/knowledge to gain.
That which I know, I know (through the Holy Spirit)...but could never claim to know it all

lol, keep on churning out Bible verses like you earlier were doing there, then you'll become the next one, that even comes after being called a Bible guru, lol

Eviana:
The child asked a question about Samson..and I felt compelled to answer it.
Several scripture verses prove who Samson was and I wanted no doubt about that

Why are you calling someone "the child"? Any particular reason for that?

Eviana:
I'm kinda protective of my Lord and Saviour..and His Word.
Some things should be crystal clear but if questioned (with whatever motive), need to be answered for those who may truly be searching for the truth

Our Lord and Saviour is big and capable enough to take care of Himself. Doesn't need your protection.

Eviana:
We may not scripturally agree on everything, but personal insults should be omitted. Mature discussion is what I respect.

Has anyone insulted you on this thread? Or, you don't like things being said as they are ni?

Eviana:
Your summation was not bad at all. Appreciate and thank you for that.

I am pleased you approve.

Christianity Etc › Re: Pastor Tony Rapu On Plastic Surgery: 'The Bible Is Silent About It' by MuttleyLaff: 12:46pm On Nov 29, 2019

Objective video. Wen done

Christianity Etc › Re: Abraham Daniels: Sacked Dunamis Pastor Blasts Pastors. Calls Them 'Businessmen' by MuttleyLaff: 11:01am On Nov 29, 2019*

nelsonoba:
So because of my case you went to do this PhD thesis on "ekklesia"

Your problem nelsonoba is you think too highly of yourself. Use the string "MuttleyLaff ekklesia" without the inverted commas and do a search in the Religion forum, to find out if it was because of your case I put ekklesia on the table. Don't even bother, just click on below link, to see how far from the truth, by a factor of 100, you are.
[url]https://www.nairaland.com/search?q=%22muttleylaff+ekklesia%22&board=0[/url]

nelsonoba:
So you know all these things you wrote here, yet you don't know Christ?? Such an irony..........

You cant say its my fault, if you stick your fingers into your ears and not want to listen to me repeatedly saying I am not the enemy, lol

nelsonoba:
If only you had heard about the thing called "The Kingdom of God", it would have solved all your problems because you will know that all kingdoms are ruled by Kings and other appointed people! God's kingdom is not a democracy! I know this is hard bone for babes (nepilles) like you, but when you begin to come into spiritual maturity you will understand it. For now, what you need is just to accept Christ as your Lord and begin to follow him

If only you've heard about the thing called "The Kingdom of God" associated with radical and liberal democracy lol. I am sure you didnt know that Jesus was interested in democracy that much that He adopted the phraseology ekklesia, taken from the first known democracy in the world, lol, the Athenian democracy bwahahaha.

Christianity Etc › Re: Mystery Tree Grew Inside A Car In France by MuttleyLaff: 10:49am On Nov 29, 2019

petra1:
We should deal with fact not someone write up. Was the tree planted overnight and alive? Is the tree an dummy plastic tree. Was the three an existing tree there. Was the car dissembmed and assembled or none of this happened and its just a video editing or deren brown illusion things . There has to be an explanation . I will not just believe a write up which anyone can do.

Oh c'mon now petra1, stop trying so hard to fall for my hand now. For cying out loud, google up Royal de Luxe now. This is the sort of thing, they do as metal art, as a profession, for a living and are well known for. And you an artist, is talking like this. Aah who has bewitched you, lol. If you take a good look you'll notice that everything is in metal, it isnt even a real tree petra1, lol.

Christianity Etc › Re: Mystery Tree Grew Inside A Car In France by MuttleyLaff: 9:56am On Nov 29, 2019

petra1:
Maybe you're right. But no blame me .I've see leg turn to tree by witchcraft. I've seen sick person vomit stone, lizard, long pin which entered them by witchcraft. But for this case a link to the making or installation of such would have been convincing to show it's an art.

It increasingly is becoming obvious that anything you dont understand or cant get the grips with, you attribute it to be as a result of witchcraft. You in a doubting Thomas style, still insist to see how Royal de Luxe created the art. You as an accomplished and commissioned artist, should know better nah. Should know about these things.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Why The Earth Surface Looks Flat by MuttleyLaff: 9:33am On Nov 29, 2019*

Truthwords:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tp7xotUQLdQ

budaatum:
There's a lot of people who never had a sun god, I think, and would love some data if you got any.

Fill your boots, sink and get your teeth into the video data above, that I got, courtesy of Truthwords.

budaatum:
The quoted says "sky"; Olorun is God of everything.
https://www.windows2universe.org/mythology/olorun_sky.html&edu=high

I know all that. I get all that, but I am talking, specificallyof the sun god. Yoruba and/or Ibo worship rivers, trees, rocks etcetera but why does it seem that the sun slipped through their net of worshipping it, like some others widely did or do? FOLYKAZE, I think your valued expertise on indigenous mythology and/or pantheon, is requested and/or need here about this, lol.

Crime › Re: Mompha: Court Remands Kayode Phillip And Hamza Koud In Prison For Internet Fraud by MuttleyLaff: 9:01am On Nov 29, 2019

Neshietdebayzman:
Really? How can I get the song?

MuttleyLaff:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3R9ypnZsN_c

Oti ooo, nobi nah 9ice first put dem names for song, just as like DAramis true talk am ni?
But DAramis I no hear "HK money" mention for the tune nah

Crime › Re: Mompha: Court Remands Kayode Phillip And Hamza Koud In Prison For Internet Fraud by MuttleyLaff: 8:58am On Nov 29, 2019*

jimmyLd101:
The one nice talk about is H money not HK money. H money eruku to pese woke in Remince voice

At what part of the Living Things tune did 9ice sing about a H money, hmm? The man was glorifying internet fraud and people think hin sing beta song angry

DAramis:
My mistake... someone said that it is H money that was mentioned. Maybe a different person.

So its now someone said. You didnt even hear it yourself, anyway watch the above tune's video from the 2.57 minute mark, Hushpuppi, Mompha etcetera were mentioned but no mention of HK or H money in the tune jor ojaare angry

Hoodbilonia:
Yahoo ni awaon oreh mi
For the end..outro of the song
He called out all street boys name wey get bar.
Ogeni h money. Hl money. Eyan e money,etc
Play am u go hear am

Nobi, the the end ... outro of the song, we dey hear and see so from the above video erhn? When and where in it, did 9ice sing "... h money. Hl money. Eyan e money,etc" sic angry

Crime › Re: Mompha: Court Remands Kayode Phillip And Hamza Koud In Prison For Internet Fraud by MuttleyLaff: 5:26am On Nov 29, 2019*

DAramis:
so, na that Lebanese man be the HK money Nice sang for living things song?
why does it sound like all those guys mentioned in that song are being picked up one after the other

solsticey2k3:
Mompha ti koba awon eleyi o

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3R9ypnZsN_c

Oti ooo, nobi nah 9ice first put dem names for song, just as like DAramis true talk am ni?
But DAramis I no hear "HK money" mention for the tune nah angry

Christianity Etc › Re: Mystery Tree Grew Inside A Car In France by MuttleyLaff: 4:43am On Nov 29, 2019*

Adijatmoreni:
Wonders they say will never end it was a shock to everyone, Early in the morning when a mystery tree grew through a car that was parked over night in FRANCE

video:
h t tps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLXbw_HfDS0

wow, with this video, i am now surprise if witched in Europe are more powerful and wicked than African witch.

You give witches too much credit than they deserve.

ScepticalPyrrho:
OP, if you sheepishly believed it was really a tree that grew tbrough a car, you are a sheep

Everybody I guess, has got a right to be a sucker, lol. Fyi, next time, it is sheeple and not sheep

petra1:
If its otherwise kindly prove it.

Read on, for the proof in the below following pasted website link.

petra1:
I think its witcraft.
It turned the driver into a tree. If the tree is dry hes dead?
But if the tree is still green hes alive and can be restored by prayer

[img]https://s3/images/FacePalmSmh.gif[/img]
Smh. Hmm.

jesusjnr:
Are you brain dead or something?
Ok tell us what it was if not a tree.

http://www.hoaxorfact.com/pranks/unbelievable-tree-penetrates-car-france.html
The olodo upon twenty fake arse imposter parading himself to be a prophet and asking if someone is brain dead or something, fyi, what you see in the videos and pictures is not at all any miracle of a tree penetrating through a car. It’s an art installation from Royal de Luxe, a local street art company in Nantes, France. Who has bewitched all these unsuspecting and/or easily impressed people

Christianity Etc › Re: Why The Earth Surface Looks Flat by MuttleyLaff: 4:34am On Nov 29, 2019

Truthwords:
h t tps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tp7xotUQLdQ

budaatum:
https://www.livescience.com/14754-ingenious-flat-earth-theory-revealed-map.html

Thinking out loud. How come virtually everyone who is anyone, in the block, had a sun god to worship, but the Yoruba and/or Ibo seemingly never had any sun god to worship?

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Christianity Etc › Re: Abraham Daniels: Sacked Dunamis Pastor Blasts Pastors. Calls Them 'Businessmen' by MuttleyLaff: 3:57am On Nov 29, 2019*

nelsonoba:
When it comes to the church of Christ, is it a government of DEMOCRACY? Have you ever heard God consult you before calling any of the men of God we hear about today? Have you also heard the devil consult you when he calls any of the fake pastors we know of today? So mr man, there is no democracy involved here. Keep your democracy to politics. After all, in God's kingdom, Democracy is not allowed because God is king all by himself and didn't need our help to become all powerful

Smh. Instead of you to just suck it in, but no, you rather be hellbent on publicly displaying your ignorance and showing yourself up, erhn. Someone should try and put duct tape on your hands and fingers

So what, if that picture originally refers to "democracy"? Whether it refers to or doesnt refer to democracy, is irrelevant. What is relevant is its common denominator it shares with dodgy politicians and/or pastors. It portrays the picture that, it is you who gives these people (i.e. dodgy politicians and/or pastors) the power to enslave and subjugate you. It is the support you give them that keeps them in balance and/or power. Step back, one by one, away from the board plank, then wait to watch and see what happens to the dodgy politician(s) and/or pastor(s). What happens is the politician(s) and/or pastor(s), sooner or later tumble and fall over, lol

nelsonoba:
When it comes to the church of Christ, is it a government of DEMOCRACY

"⁴²So Jesus called them together and said, “You know that the rulers in this world lord it over their people, and officials flaunt their authority over those under them (i.e. their high officials exercise authority over them.)
⁴³But among you it will be different Whoever wants to be a leader among you must be your servant,"
- Mark 10:42-43

Yes nelsonoba, the church of Christ, is government of DEMOCRACY, and according to Jesus, in Mark 10:42-43 above when talking to the discples, it is a special and/or different kind of government of DEMOCRACY. Democracy, fyi, has biblical roots that you're unaware of, lol. Life, in the beginning, started on a democratic footing, lol. Also, I am sure you've heard it said that, democracy is a government of all the people, by all the people, for all the people, abi?

nelsonoba:
Have you ever heard God consult you before calling any of the men of God we hear about today? Have you also heard the devil consult you when he calls any of the fake pastors we know of today? So mr man, there is no democracy involved here. Keep your democracy to politics. After all, in God's kingdom, Democracy is not allowed because God is king all by himself and didn't need our help to become all powerful

"And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, a small rock and upon the large rock I will build my congregation {Gr. ekklesia – called out ones},
and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against her."
- Matthew 16:18

I am sure you didnt know that Jesus was interested in democracy that much that He adopted the phraseology ekklesia, taken from the first known democracy in the world, lol, the Athenian democracy.

Ekklesia, meaning, a gathering of those called out and/or summoned ones, is the principal assembly, open to all male citizens as soon as they qualified for citizenship of ancient Athens. Ekklesia is an Athenian democracy feature that allowed all Athenian citizens to come together, regardless of class and so even the lowest social class of citizens to discuss civil matters and/or participate in democratic politics. Everyone was considered equal in the ekklesia and any citizen present could participate and share his ideas, opinions, and concerns." Incidentally, what Jesus in Mark 10:42-43 above, was teaching the disciples is what Theodore Parker captured perfectly well, with the quote, that: "Democracy means not, I am as good as you are, but you are as good as I am"

nelsonoba, Jesus changed the original political meaning of ekklesia to a religious one. Praise God. Alleluia. We are talking here, of radical and liberal democracy nelsonoba, lol, and that's where Galatians 3:26-28, Acts 4:42-47 and James 1:27 took their cue from, lol.

nelsonoba, let me clear you up properly on ekklesia, lol, so you'll know what is really going on with it. Maybe, you'll learn a thing or two, and would have become wiser and wise enough to make re-adjustments, where and/or if applicable, to your theology, lol.

To start with and as a matter of fact, "ekklesia" is the proper and correct noun word for used for believers, called out and/or gathered together, which the word "church", as it is, presently or currently represents.

"Ekklesia" actually, is a Greek word, which in Athens and in most Greek poleis (i.e. Greek cities or states) means an assembly of demo
(i.e. yes, demo, is the Greek word for people, as like the "demo" in democracy) So "ekklesia" effectively, is an assembly of summoned free people or a gathering of those summoned. The word "ekklesia", is derived from "ekkletos" meaning summoned and "ekkaleom" meaning to summon or call out. "Ekkletoi" refers to the called-out inhabitants or citizens of Athens or any of the Greek poleis, come together in a single place and/or single group, as a result of a call out request done by a herald, announcer or town crier.

"Ekklesia" an assembly, congregation, the whole body of believers, come together, as a result of a call out request done by our Lord Jesus Christ and not some church or something anyone starts, because as I previously typed, ekklesia is a family we belong to.

The true meaning, import or connotation of "ekklesia" is lost or eroded when it is used or translated to/as "church", as "ekklesia" represents something totally different to what we've commonly perceived what "church" is.

"Ekklesia," as far back in the Old Testament wilderness days, has always been an assembly or congregation of called-out people (i.e. Acts 7:38 is referring to the congregation in Deuteronomy 9:10) and it's no different in the original Greek New Testament whether used in non-secular and secular settings (i.e. Matthew 16:18 and Acts 7:38 for non-secular then Acts 19:32, 39 and 41 for secular) Notice in Acts 19:32, 39 and 41, that "ekklesia" is used three times, for people not connected with religious or believers matters, but are assembling or gathering together.

So the point is that "ekklesia" isn't about physical structures, buildings, cathedrals etcetera, and the Greeks, the originators of the word, never referred "ekklesia", to be church, building or place of worship.

I am sure nelsonoba, you'll return here to say, all this etymology stuff on "ekklesia", is bunkum and time wasting, it's nitpicking over minute details, and that it's pedantic and fault-finding or you, even might say, church or ekklesia, whatever the noun used, it doesn't matter. Well if you do nelsonoba, that will be you delighting in ignorance(s), with saying, church or ekklesia, it makes no difference, that it's much ado about nothing and so what's the big deal. Fyi, I could tell you more, like about the English word "church" on its self, and about its actual pagan origins, but this is will be overstepping the scope of the thread's title heading, lol. Maybe another thread, another time or another day, lol. Again, I am not the enemy, lol.

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Was The Book Of Enoch Removed From The Bible? by MuttleyLaff: 4:30am On Nov 28, 2019

Empiree:
Islam is distinctly different from all of them which means there is no monotheism anywhere, any religion except in Islam...

Empiree:
My question still remain, if all christians read the same bible why do christians differ on who Jesus really is?. Why is the confusion amongst yourselves?.

MuttleyLaff:
I repeat my response to you. Are our fingers equal in length?. No, they arent and so that's the reality of life. Even our Muslim brothers have factions in Islam, because of difference in beliefs etcetera. Our muslim brothers are not immune from differing in what they believe in.

OLAADEGBU:
Boy 6, Beheaded In Front Of Screaming Mum In Saudi Arabia 'For Being Wrong Religion'

The child was killed in Medina, Saudi Arabia, while visiting a shrine to the Prophet Muhammad, according to reports
By Joshua Taylor Deputy news editor
21:23, 10 FEB 2019 UPDATED 15:54, 15 FEB 2019

A six-year-old boy was beheaded in front of his screaming mum in Saudi Arabia for belonging to the wrong branch of Islam, according to reports.

The child and his mum were allegedly approached while visiting a shrine to the Prophet Muhammad in Medina and asked if they were Shia Muslims.

The mum reportedly said yes and several minutes later a car pulled up beside them and the child was snatched away from her.

The boy - named locally as Zakaria Al-Jaber - was repeatedly stabbed in the neck with a piece of broken glass until he was beheaded, it is claimed.

His helpless mum could only watch and scream as the horror unfolded.

Saudi Arabia's predominant branch of Islam is Sunni, accounting for around three quarters of the population.

Human rights groups say practitioners of other forms of the faith - including Shia - are persecuted.

The boy's mum could only watch and scream as her son was murdered

Shia Rights Watch, a Washington DC-based campaign group, said: "There was no intervention from anyone and no response from authority thus far.

"The Saudi Shia community came together in mourning and to show solidarity with the parents.

"The community also reported this incident is a result of ongoing violations and lack of protection by the Saudi authority toward its Shia population.

"Saudi Shia have been under military crackdown by their government and many Shia are in prisons and on death toll."

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/boy-6-beheaded-front-screaming-13973480

If this could happen among Muslims what hope do Christians have in Saudi Arabia, the most 'holy' country in Islam?

Christianity Etc › Re: "Samson And Delilah" by MuttleyLaff: 3:14am On Nov 28, 2019*

Eviana:
Judges 13: 2-3, 5, 24 (KJV)
2 And there was a certain man of Zorah, of the family of the Danites, whose name was Manoah; and his wife was barren, and bare not
[/b]
3 And the angel of the Lord appeared unto the woman, and said unto her, Behold now, thou art barren, and bearest not: but thou shalt conceive, and bear a son.

5 For, lo, thou shalt conceive, and bear a son; and no razor shall come on his head: [b]for the child shall be a Nazarite unto God from the womb: and he shall begin to deliver Israel out of the hand of the Philistines.

24 And the woman bare a son, and called his name Samson: and the child grew, and the Lord blessed him.

Hebrews 11: 32, 34, 39-40 (KJV)
32 And what shall I more say? for the time would fail me to tell of Gedeon, and of Barak, and of Samson, and of Jephthae; of David also, and Samuel, and of the prophets:

34 Quenched the violence of fire, escaped the edge of the sword, out of weakness were made strong, waxed valiant in fight, turned to flight the armies of the aliens

39 And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise:

40 God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.

It begins from the word "danites" which is the tribe of Dan...a Godly lineage beginning from Abraham which runs all the way to Jesus Christ.
Samson's lineage already showed that he was to be a special, Godly man.
Samson made some terrible choices, even resulting in a most horrific death, BUT there is no doubt that he was a Godly man and ultimately fulfilled his God ordained calling. Because a Christian may fall, does not mean that he/she was never a Godly person.
Confession, forgiveness, and repentance is what makes the difference.

Who now, is the real biblical "guru" fa, lol. Here the laurel wreath and crown for Eviana, the undisputed heavyweight biblical "guru" lol

Eviana:
Don't know if that is the "main" lesson, but I'll definitely agree about our crucial need to guard against the "trio" for sure.

On hindsight and after just now, giving your "don't know if that is the "main" lesson" some more thought and/or deeper consideration, I have come to a reviewed conclusion, that one out of the possible main lessons in the Samson story, is that inspite of our imperfections, many shortcomings and/or weaknesses, God often still finds us useful and so within whats permissible, will make use of us. This means, dont be too hard on yourself, dont be saying I am not perfect. Dont be thinking that, I am not there yet so God is not interested in me and so, wont use me. We are not created or born perfect, and that's for many reasons. We actually, are created to be real to our nature, and born to be real to ourselves. Besides, there is power in imperfection. Its as I previously have said, God's power is perfected in weakness things going on there, lol. For God Himself, in 2 Corinthians 12:9 said: "My power is strongest when you are weak"

The heading, Samson and Delilah, sums up the story of a conquered, captive, strong, weak man later become a broken and contrite man triumphant, even as when caught up in the tragic drama that ended his life.

Christianity Etc › Re: Do Man And Satan Have Immortality? by MuttleyLaff: 2:52am On Nov 28, 2019*

blueAgent:
You know you cannot match me that is obvious to you

Who'd have imagined it eh? That you'd get this right. Of course, I cannot match your the level of ignorance, that you've successfully managed to upandan display on this thread, not just to me, but to other posters as well too, lol.

I know I cannot match you, and that simply is because your words dont match and/or dont add up. You are confused and confusing yourself. Tbh, you should be ashamed to be threatened by seven harmless, simple, easy, direct and straightforward questions. You're the man who truly believed in his own hype, to the extent that you're now trying your damn hard, to get others buy into the hype as well. You're ignorant of what and all you dont know. Mister man, your highest knowledge, is no match for my lowest wisdom. Go siddon in corner somewhere faraway jor. Or just comot for thread ojaare, you think say, na by muscles, pesin dey take stand príck ni. Smh.

blueAgent:
like I said before it is the ressurreted people who were dead that is judged and sent to Heaven or Hell and not any imaginary soul or spirit.

1/ How and what do, these your ressurreted people, who were dead and judged appear as, before being sent to Heaven or Hell?
2/ What happens to the soul after physical death?
3/ What happens to the spirit after physical death?
4/ What are resurrected humans going to be raised up as?

blueAgent:
Of course when people come back to life by the breathe of God which is the spirit there soul comes to life which is there thoughts, mind physce, perception.

[img]https://s3/images/ObamaMuttley.gif[/img]

"I understand your confusion you seem to believe the lie that the Soul or spirit of man is what goes to Heaven or Hell.
That's not true, all this false teachings were brought into Christaintity by pagans.
The truth is, it is our bodies that go to Heaven or Hell and not some imaginary soul or spirit"
- Re: Do Man And Satan Have Immortality? by blueAgent(m): 8:16am On Nov 16

"First you need to understand that the word spirit when used in the Bible can mean 3 different things *Which are a living being like God, Angels,
*It can mean the mind, will, thought, zeal, imagination"
- Re: Do Man And Satan Have Immortality? by blueAgent(m): 7:38pm On Nov 17

"What do you think is the Soul?
and if what goes to Heaven or Hell is the soul then why do we have a resurrection?"
- Religion / Re: Do Man And Satan Have Immortality? by blueAgent(m): 9:28pm On Nov 18

"How does that explain or mean that the spirit taken by God are still existing?"
- Re: Do Man And Satan Have Immortality? by blueAgent(m): 11:15pm On Nov 19

Would you imagine, small time now, blueAgent will say OP isnt read. blueAgent fyi, at 7:38pm On Nov 17, you claimed the spirit is the mind, will, thought, zeal, imagination. Now, today, at 7:13pm, you say "soul comes to life which is their thoughts, mind physce, perception." You typed "there" but we know you meant "their" hence the edit, done on your behalf. OK, back on track, this is what happens when you dont know or dont want to make your own cheese. You are lazy, and that's how or why you get caught in, mixing up different bottles of cow milk. Your copying and pasting, word for word, from websites online betrays a lack of power to form thoughts in your head. It betrays a lack of ability to use your own brain to say things clearly and distinctly using your own words or wording. You gulp down hook, line and sinker other peoples work and even have the audacity to present them here withouting crediting the authors. It is when you now want to express the thoughts, ideology, theology, concept etcetera that you trip over you own shoelaces because you never in the first place, gave any of the thoughts, ideology, theology, concept etcetera your own insightful thinking, in the first instance

blueAgent:
All this can be found in my OP.

Nothing can be found in your OP, except that we find you're lost and buried under the weight of the haystack of confusion you with your own hands got yourself into. You are to be found in confused.com land,lol. I find it cringeworthy reading your blind arguments

Christianity Etc › Re: Do Man And Satan Have Immortality? by MuttleyLaff: 2:51am On Nov 28, 2019

Double post

Christianity Etc › Re: Do Man And Satan Have Immortality? by MuttleyLaff: 2:49am On Nov 28, 2019

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Christianity Etc › Re: Do Man And Satan Have Immortality? by MuttleyLaff: 2:49am On Nov 28, 2019

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Christianity Etc › Re: Went Into Coma A Christian; Came Out An Atheist. by MuttleyLaff: 1:01am On Nov 28, 2019

jesusjnr:
How do we know you were not an atheist before you slipped into coma and resurrected with a new account?

sonmvayina:
You are asking questions, why did you not just believe the story?... Now your brain is working over time, but if it is Mary that got pregnant without a man's sperm, you will believe it.... Akpakpu like you..

You dont believe the registered today, on Nov 27 2019, at 3:57pm Nairaland account OP cọck-and-bull story, but believe Mary got pregnant without a man's sperm because the same God involved, made, menopaused Sarah get pregnant, by an impotent Abraham hundred-year-old body that ordinarily could never no more father a child.

Christianity Etc › Re: Abraham Daniels: Sacked Dunamis Pastor Blasts Pastors. Calls Them 'Businessmen' by MuttleyLaff: 12:32am On Nov 28, 2019

nelsonoba:
Oga MuttleyLaff, Petra1 has said the exact same thing I believe. I believe the body of Christ is not perfect and people will always make mistakes as such. I believe that the fact that the body of Christ is prone to mistake does not mean we should condone and encourage such mistakes to continue. I also believe there is order in the body of Christ (which the bible describes as an army) just as there is order in any military force, and in the military, when officers are, there are procedures to deal with them which we know as a court-martial. You don't just go about as a civilian looking for Colonels and Generals that have broken the law for you to discipline them. If you try it, you will have problem, but if another senior General constitutes a court-martial to deal with the same erring officers, things will be addressed adequately without more problems.
Also, you can't use because of the mistakes and errors of 70% of people who are pastors to now condemn all pastors and be saying all pastors are evil or fraudsters. If you haven't met genuine pastors in your life before, I HAVE MET MANY MYSELF! I have also met fraudulent pastors and to even shock you, I have been defrauded in the past by some people who claimed to be "pastors". So don't think I am saying what I am saying because I haven't seen bad pastors before and I am naive. Now, I know better to not just trust people simply because they claim to be pastors, but because of the character I see in them.......just as Jesus said, "by their fruits, you shall know them".

www.nairaland.com/attachments/10637270_bhrheefcuaeun6h_jpeg0026cbc84007bdaf194d7e18ac72fe33
nelsonoba, the pasted above picture, is worth more than ten thousand words.

Christianity Etc › Re: "Samson And Delilah" by MuttleyLaff: 11:58pm On Nov 27, 2019*

Eviana:
But the poster (below) was the one that asked the question to you Muttley in response to what you had written to someone else.
I copied it for you, but feel free to scroll back to Sunday...cause it's there.

Meet me down, where I'll do a better work of clearing things up for you.

Eviana:
Ohh, but I get it.
You were too busy trying to prove "me" wrong on Sunday, that you missed "his" post...

[img]https://s3/images/3xsmhp.gif[/img]
Jumping to the wrong conclusion.
Smh. This is unforgivably cringeworthy to read.

Eviana:
It's ok...I completely forgive you.

To forgive, is to set a prisoner free and discover that the prisoner you set free, is yourself, actually you, lol. Forgive yourself first dahling, before others, lol

Eviana:
Re: "Samson And Delilah" by HedwigesMaduro: 4:00pm On Nov 24

MuttleyLaff:
God did not push him into the direction and/or warm embrace of Delilah

HedwigesMaduro:
So, Delilah was the first strange woman he went after? Read Judges 14:1-4.

solite3:
The sad story of a man who fell into the arms of a strange woman.

MuttleyLaff:
"¹One day Samson went down to Timnah, where he saw a young Philistine woman.
²So he returned and told his father and his mother, “I have seen a daughter of the Philistines in Timnah. Now get her for me as a wife.”
³But his father and mother replied, “Can’t you find a young woman among your relatives or among any of our people? Must you go to the uncircumcised Philistines to get a wife?”
But Samson told his father, “Get her for me, for she is pleasing to my eyes."
- Judges 14:1-3

The strange story of a determined man, who always had a strong and/or habitual liking for strange women. He open eyed, walked directly into a ditch because of the last of the strange women.

HedwigesMaduro:
You skipped the part where it was stated that it was God that was pushing him in that direction.

MuttleyLaff:
God did not push him into the direction and/or warm embrace of Delilah

HedwigesMaduro:
So, Delilah was the first strange woman he went after? Read Judges 14:1-4.

I have just in the above, reproduced those quotes to show the entire thread of the iteraction that got going on between MuttleyLaff and HedwigesMaduro

I am 110% unmistaken that God did not push Samson into the direction and/or warm embrace of Delilah. This is the reason why I wasnt bothered responding to the last comment HedwigesMaduro made. I missed not "his" post ... as Eviana thought and wrongly concluded. It actually was a case of, I deliberately ignored that HedwigesMaduro comment because I previously had said, Samson is a determined man, who always had a strong and/or habitual liking for strange women. Besides, not all strange women are bad, crooked, bent and/or up to dirty tricks? I earlier did hint with "... your people will be my people and your God, my God ..." which is about Ruth, and after reading that HedwigesMaduro comment and because of an Eviana comment about foreign women or something like that. Afterall, was Ruth not a strange woman too ni?

Christianity Etc › Re: "Samson And Delilah" by MuttleyLaff: 1:31pm On Nov 27, 2019*

Eviana:
Nope sir,
I don't understand all of what you wrote other than "profane" language and reverse psychology.

Dahling, you could have fooled me, lol. Please when is your birthday next coming. Remind me to get you a dictionary. I used the word ṣhit in context of and in relation of you bringing up the color brown, of which brown incidentally is what's mostly, the colour of ṣhit. I guess you're going to pretend that you don't ṣhit or that your ṣhit doesn't smell, maybe because it's deodorised

Eviana:
Ok, now may I direct you back a question that was asked on this past Sunday by a poster regarding Delilah being Samson's alleged "first" strange woman encounter?

"Strange woman" are not words you can attribute to me. It was HedwigesMadlol. who introduced that wording to the thread, so you're better off asking him and not me about the strange woman

Eviana:
I think he even propsed reading a few scripture passages.
Perhaps you can rearrange your attention off of me...and focus on that question.. please and thanks.

You brought attention on yourself, when your mask slightly slipped to reveal who and what you really are, lol

God knows Samson wouldnt be capable to withstand Delilah's rugged determination and he wouldn't be able to nor manage to withhold revealing his secret to her, so why it wasn't a God idea to associate him with a woman especially like Delilah.

Christianity Etc › Re: "Samson And Delilah" by MuttleyLaff: 8:12am On Nov 27, 2019*

Eviana:
Ok sir..
I'm really not hiding much nor am I trying to perpetrate anyone.
A person can be known by his/her words and how he/she types.

If you pay attention, people, if given long enough time, will show their true colors unintentionally. When you don't respond the way they want you to respond back, then their true character is always revealed by their follow up words and what next is typed, lol

Eviana:
My true color is brown...how I was born.
But I bleed red blood.

Roses are red, ṣhit is brown and some posters whose true color is brown... and/or born brown, are so full of ṣhit. I wonder if you're like those posters, full of ṣhit and/or know like they know, that you're full of ṣhit, hmm?
Thank you for all these unsolicited information

Eviana:
This is not personal.
I just wonder why you feel that someone "must" believe something because you say it.

Just show where MuttleyLaff has ever typed to you, that you Eviana "must" believe anything and/or something. Has MuttleyLaff on the record proselytised you?

Eviana:
I agreed with your last statement..

So what, if you agreed with my last statement? Were you expecting me to go frame up your agreeing to my last statement? Put it up on my bedroom wall, displayed as a picture or portrait award ni?

Eviana:
but I wasn't gonna say that there wasn't another lesson in there too.

You talk, I talk. You say another talk, I also do my own additional talk. So whats the problem? Isnt it talking we are doing? Whats the beef, where from did that your slighting and uncomplimentary remark spring from, huh?

Eviana:
Do you know that the problem within Christianity is the misinterpretatin of scriptures?
Hence the thousands of denominations...

[img]https://s5/images/HeightView.jpg[/img] [img]https://s5/images/DiffHeightSameView.jpg[/img]

We understand scripture to the level of our submission to the Spirit of Truth. We understand scripture to how much we fill out to snuggly fit into the gift of the given Holy Spirit. We understand scripture according to the altitude of our vantage points and the level/angle/direction/line of our perspective. Those two pictures I pasted above, are worth more than twenty thousand words, lol.

Eviana:
I'm not arguing with you...just having a discussion.

"You seem to be the only one who doesnt yet know that MuttleyLaff doesnt do arguments, lol"
- Religion / Re: The Trinity Doctrine Is a False doctrine and it is Unbiblical. by MuttleyLaff: 9:52pm On Nov 25

You stopped having a discussion, when you started your argument(s)

Eviana:
But foljs start getting personal.

You've being itching to get personal and it was not a case of if but it was a matter of when, meaning, when will you eventually show your true color, lol. Yes Dahling Eviana and so, your true color showed when I didnt respond to you the way you wanted me to respond to you. Eviana, I've moved among and engaged with loads of other interlocutors enough to learn a lot from them, like how people, when they don't get their way, will always show their true colors. Case in point, just happened here, lol. Never mind, c'est la vie. There however, is an adage Eviana, that says, dont create a storm of problems, let that ṣhit before it rains, go and live happily ever after. Capisce? lol

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Christianity Etc › Re: Do Man And Satan Have Immortality? by MuttleyLaff: 7:32am On Nov 27, 2019

blueAgent:
Keep fooling yourself, it's obvious you were sent to be a distraction.

The pitiful ''you were sent to be a distraction" line, that's what you all say, when caught like a thief in the village square and so just to cover up for your inadequancies, shortcomings, failings and action of stealing another person's literary work or property by not crediting the original author nor citing the internet/website source excerpt content copied and pasted from.

blueAgent:
I have proven my points and argument, is up to you to disprove me with clear Bible verses and facts

What you countless times have proven, is that, you're threatened by seven harmless, simple, easy, direct and straightforward questions

blueAgent:
is up to you to disprove me with clear Bible verses and facts

Your bible literacy is poor. You are not prepared for handling facts and so not ready to face facts.

blueAgent:
The ball is in your court.

The ball was in my court, but you then kicked the ball into your own goal

What, between the spirit and the soul, is going to be judged blueAgent, since, like as if being a broken record, you keep repeating upandan the thread "since our spirit goes to Heaven or Earth as soon as we die why is there a need for resurrection?"

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