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OLAADEGBU:
They seem to be tapping into the same source of 'power' to mesmerise their audience into believing whatever they say.

I always knew the saying: "birds of the same feather flock together" rings true.

"Ẹri wọn lẹhin Jesu, no mean say dem be disciples" loosely translated means "Just because you see crowd behind Jesus, doesnt mean they all are His follower-disciples"

OLAADEGBU:
Benny's case fits the Yoruba adage that says "The sheep that associates with the dog will eat excreta." Since Benny Hinn has chosen to walk with the likes of TB Joshua, Chris Oyakhilome, Alex Omokudu and the likes he will continue to be a partaker of whatever is coming to those charlatans.

Benny, him and that Clarence McClendon fella, whom I do like because of being cerebral, are gospel mercenaries. Benny sees in Chris Oyakhilome, himself Benny Hinn and sees Chris Oyakhilome as the next to be in line to the throne, lol.

Goshen360:
h t tps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zKM6eckeYCo

What's wrong with these preachers? They collect tithe from local church, all branches remit 100% tithe to headquarter, they sell devotional materials, they collect seeds, firstfruits seeds, they collect special and sacrificial seeds AND YET, NEVER SATISFIED but still asking seeds for God to bless people.

The God I know does NOT operate like MMM or baba ijebu....

Were you surprised he returned to his vomit? I wasnt, lol. He was trained indoctrinated and sucked in by the best, only God can truly deliver him of this monkey on his back

Janosky:
Your analogy gross and pointless.
Is buhari 3 persons?
Your almighty God is a servant of his God in heaven,your heart dey see am ?
Revelation 3:12 New International Version (NIV)
12 The one who is victorious I will make a pillar in the temple of my God. Never again will they leave it. I will write on them the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which is coming down out of heaven from my God; ."
1 Cor 11:3 Almighty Yahweh is the head of Christ in heaven and earth , your heart dey see am ?

Power pass power, man pass man...
Almighty Yahweh surpass your triune deity...

Buhari is one person, but Buhari power pass Buhari power, Buhari pass Buhari. Buhari as PMB power pass ordinary Buhari the husband of Aisha power. When soja put on uniform, hin power pass that of bloody civilian

Godhatesodomy:
I said Cain means Canaan which means cursed.
[s]The Cushites were cursed by having their 13 yr old daughters become concubines of the cave beast Abraham. This produced fake Blacks who father line doesn't trace to African Cushite kings[/s].
Wake up out your slumber

Fyi, Cain, by courtesy of Eve's understanding, means, God has given me the "promised" man or means acquired "promised" man

shadeyinka:
Sorry my mistake!

Take the worthless sorry for your pitiful mistake self

shadeyinka:
I just discovered that some wild animals actually practice homosexuality. Therefore, it must be natural and all humans are hereby encouraged to begin to practice it.

Fyi, discover as well that domesticated animals and/or non wild animals like penguins, ducks, dogs etcetera practice homosexuality and that there is no homophobia in the animal kingdom.

shadeyinka:
Moreover, no one is hurt and the latest research actually show that the trait is genetic (even though they have not been able to place their hands on it)

Love is the most important thing in life. Commitment to someone who commits back and in return for life is a beautiful thing to behold.

shadeyinka:
Sorry for me takings such an ignorant stand against your trait of homosexuality. I am still wondering whether you are male-male or male-female or you are comfortable with both. I still wonder how it doesn't repulse you: but hey it's your orientation not mine

I still wonder how it doesn't repulse you when you prevaricate and avoid answering easy, simple, direct and straightforward questions put to you smh

shadeyinka:
Before long Insha Allah, Bestiality too shall be legalized. After all, no one is hurt and it makes the people happy.

The animal is hurt. The animal is not happy. The owner of the animal is hurt and not happy. You're not just twisted and wicked but you unsurprisingly are a liar as well, smh

shadeyinka:
Once again, I apologize for my rashness!

Smh, were you born this falsity, twisted and wicked? Or you had falsity, twistiness and wickedness thrust upon you ni?

Your apology is akin to a fart let out in a fan making factory production floor blown across the production line and transforming the serene air into something ungracious

shadeyinka:
The Truth is immutable!

What truth? Is it the one about loving the wrong person or the one, just not love anybody at all, hmm? Listen, if you look beyond the LIES, you'll see the truth. Remember that, just because you see it in black and white, it doesnt automatically make it a zebra. Dont be going on to proving that black is white and get self killed on the next zebra crossing. We know the truth, we know how words have been changed from their original meaning. We know about the invented truth and invented new word(s)

shadeyinka:
A mentally sick man is sick whether you acknowledge it or not!

Prejudice, indeed truly warps the mind.

shadeyinka:
I forgot that I have apologized for opposing a life style of homosexuality.

1/ What specifically is the sickness and/or evil, in a mutual consented, enduring until death do part, faithful, monogamistic, not harming anyone, healthy same sex attraction, that you're apologising for hmm?
2/ Why have you specifically opposed to a life style of mutual consented, enduring until death do part, faithful, monogamistic, not harming anyone, healthy homosexuality?
3/ Why didnt you answer kimco's question or who was it that asked, about whether you'll disown your child if he/she confides in you to being gay, hmm?

shadeyinka:
My bad, everyone has the right to be insane: saying it as it is is hate speech!

Everyone has the right to love a fellow human and be loved back in return by a consented human

While God only loves, forgives, and accepts, Satan only judges, accuses, and condemns. So then, when an unbeliever judges, accuses and condemns others, whose example is he/her following? Is he/her more like God or bad and more like Satan?

shadeyinka:
The mad man under the bridge in town is not mad: he only has a preference for not bathing and speaking endlessly to himself. He doesn't hurt anyone and he seems quite happy with himself.

A mad man hurts himself. A mad man is a danger to himself, which is why some mad are tied up and a chained

shadeyinka:
You are very wicked!

Someone like you, a wicked man, obey from fear, while a rigtheous man obey from love. To be reading and/or conversing with you, already is the beginning of wickedness, you're a very twisted and wicked person, smh.

shadeyinka:
Am I a psychiatrist who treats mental illnesses?
If they can't employ a qualified psychiatrist, let them seek for deliverance from a qualified Christian!

Both of them are successful in their own right, it doesn't make them mentally perfect.

I am asking you, just asI've previously asked you before shadeyinka:
1/ Do you think, for having same sex attraction, that Alan Turing and Leo Varadkar are SICK?
2/ If YES, to #1 above, what specifically is the sickness and/or evil, in them having mutual consented, enduring until death do part, faithful, monogamistic, not harming anyone, healthy same sex attraction, hmm?

shadeyinka:
This year, an autistic Nigerian child graduated from the university below the age of 12 (in USA or UK university)
The fact that we have some autistic geniuses does not make autism a "normal disorder!" Autism is a genetic disorder, it has no solution nor treatment. And, I don't know if you have met a "former autistic" person unlike homosexuality.

Its thanks to the likes of you we have the former xyz

Why didnt you answer kimco's question or who was it that asked, about whether you'll disown your child if he/she confides in you to being gay

shadeyinka:
Is that not justifying societal aberration because some respected individuals acclaim such behaviours to be ok?

Some years ago, a Rugby football team (I think from the former Soviet Union) had an air-crash over a snow covered mountainous region. For three months, no one knew their whereabouts. Those who survived did so by eating the corpse of their fellow team members who died during the crash until they were rescued 3 months after.

"For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing; they have no further reward, and even their name is forgotten."
- Ecclesiastes 9:5

The dead know nothing and a man in order to stay and remain alive, got to do what a man's got to do. Without you necessarily mountng on your higher moral ground, if you were to be found in similar circumstances, I bet my hypothetical third ball, you'll munch off those dead corpses in order to stay alive and stave off those painful and agonising hunger pangs

shadeyinka:
By your argument, this is a perfect illustration to prove that Cannibalism is Okay for humans (if no one is hurt in the process).

No! Your examples justify nothing!

There are times when the exception to the rule kicks in

shadeyinka:
Do you think that a mad man feel that he is abnormal?

He would if and/or when he comes to self and his senses

shadeyinka:
If we go by your argument, Then it should be okay for a man to go naked to the market if it makes him happy and he's not hurting anyone.

shadeyinka:
When a person is sick, he needs help. He shouldn't be indulged to continue in his abnormal behaviours.

Of course, if clinically certified sick, yeah will need help. Idiosyncrasy is a prerogative. Why should you want to deprive others the entitlement to their harmless, inoffensive, safe to themselves and others idiosyncrasies, hmm?

shadeyinka:
h t tps://youtu.be/LnMKzLVNyYg

The kid above has a problem. He enjoyed eating and he's not hurting anyone. But love is seeking treatment for him not justifying that it's normal to be abnormal!

The kid above has a problem. He enjoys over-eating and he's grossly looking unhealthy, hurting himself and ultimately everyone else at large

Janosky:
Just calm down and learn....

Did you really just there suggest I calm, learn and suffer trash gladly erhn? Wonders shall not cease to happen

Janosky:
NWT is very faithful to the Greek language of John 1:1, no addition or subtraction.
Greek Theos = a god, ( divine nature).

PROOF :
* ** Bible > Strong's > Greek > 2316
◄ 2316. theos
►
Strong's Concordance
theos: God, a god
Original Word: θεός, οῦ, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine; Noun,
Masculine
Transliteration: theos
Phonetic Spelling: (theh'-os)
Definition: God, a god
Usage: (a) God, (b) a god,"

** In John1:1, TOV theon (the God, Almighty Father of Jesus Christ).
In the Greek language of the holy Bible, ONLY the Father is TOV theon (the God, Almighty Father of Jesus Christ).
## Greek John17:3, Jesus says his tov theon (the God, Almighty Father) is the ONLY TRUE God.
Let this Truth of Greek John17:3 sink into your brain.

Theo's= a god (divine nature) was the Word.

shadeyinka:
You are fond of ignoring question that will haunt you and bury every thing under volumes of words.
I understand that your organisation manufactured "all other things" to fit into your doctrine.

Janosky:
Fine points you made here.
Solid, interesting.
Just watch how our Edionmwan & him comrade go write incoherent jargons & twist the scriptures for their safe landing....
Just observe wetin I tell you so

Its actually you that Daejoyoung should watch and be observing because you are a bad influence. Your comments and write ups are dangerous. They encourage unsuspecting and easily impressionable people to have a dim view of the Godhead, most especially that of Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior. Your comments and write ups cause unsuspecting and easily impressionable people to have bad thoughts about the Godhead, most especially that of Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior, to the extent of saying our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ is a god, and so ascribing our Lord and Savior with a small letter or lowercase g, the same just as like for pagan gods, smh.

Shadeyinka is 1000% correct that you are fond of ignoring questions that will haunt you and that as a strategy, you obfusticate by burying every thing under volumes of words. Case in point of you ignoring questions Janosky, you did not attempt to try and answer each one and any of all of those six questions to you . C'mon Janosky, you let six dead, easy, peasy lemon squeasy, harmless simple questions seem like they are complex, complicated and hard for you to answer, lol

Like I previously have said Janosky, if you had attempted to answer the six dead easy, peasy, lemon, squeasy, harmless simple questions, you wouldnt be making a right prat of yourself on this thread, asking where is the Greek 3588 TÓV (ton), why is the word for word omitted anywhere. You wouldnt be asking for an explanation for why the omission of word for word Greek 3588 TÓV (ton) is in the Greek interlinear screenshot, lol.

Janosky remember that I said to you, let's find out how honest, sincere and truthful, if at all, you are or can be erhn?. Here is how it goes, Janosky please according to your full knowledge and/or your understanding, give an exhaustive list of what the translation and/or meaning of this your much beloved Greek word "TÓV" is, but where is your answer? Why am I not surprised you clammed up and refuse to respond with answers, lol

Janosky:
In Greek John1:1, is Jesus (the Word) tov theon (the God,Almighty Father)?
Your honest answer to that question is the truth of Greek John 1:1.

Let me learn what else is in your brain that you've got it filled up with. Janosky, on a personal level, this means put aside the organisation Jehovah's Witnesses and its doctrine for the moment.

1/ As for you Janosky, (i.e. meaning forget about the organisation Jehovah's Witnesses and its doctrine for the moment) is Jesus Christ your Lord and Savior?
1b/ Why for Jesus our Lord and Savior, God is uncapitalised?
2/ As for you Janosky (i.e. meaning forget about the organisation Jehovah's Witnesses and its doctrine for the moment) is Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior ever, in any or some circumstance be regarded or considered in a specified way to be God (i.e. θεός or Theos)? Do you ever view Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior as God (i.e. θεός or Theos)?. Do you ever see Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior as God (i.e. θεός or Theos)? Do you ever take Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior as God (i.e. θεός or Theos)?
3/ Does the organisation Jehovah's Witnesses ever regard Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior as God (i.e. θεός or Theos)?
4/ Janosky you earlier typed that "tov theon (the God, Almighty Father) is the ONLY TRUE God" Of course "tov theon" equates to and/or means "the God,", but why have you put "Almighty Father" beside "the God" in that bracket? Are you saying "tov theon[i/]" means "[i]Almighty Father"? Translate "Almighty Father" to Greek for us please.
5/ When and/or at what point in time Janosky, did God become a Father?

I can bet a hypothetical third ball that you would never attempt to response to the above four simple questions, lol. Watch Daejoyoung as Janosky does a AWOL with those five questions, as usual, lol

PS: you really need to go brush up on Greek nuances and ways of saying things, as well as learn about inflection in the Greek language, lol. shadeyinka used style tell you about "definite article" but butter nobi monkey food nah, lol

Janosky:
Rev 3:5,12 & John 20:17 is your Deity in heaven NOW subject to his own God & Father as he was on earth?

"Jesus said to them,
“If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I proceeded forth and came from God;
nor have I come of Myself, but He sent Me."
- John 8:42

Janosky, do you, in relation to God, know what, do-it-yourself, the full form of DIY, is?. Do you know what the God DIY project at all, is? Smh

Janosky, in that John 8:42 above, "exerchomai" is the Greek original word translated as "proceeded forth". By definition, it means, to go or come out of, with mention of the place out of which one goes, or of the point from which one departs. John 8:42 above, makes no mistake, where from Jesus proceeded forth and came from when He was on earth, lol and Rev 3:5,12 tells what Jesus will do while & John 20:17 tells where Jesus has gone back to

Janosky:
Genesis 2:7, says your philosophy is NOT true.
Pagan philosophy masquerading as christianity.
Abeg, park well jare.

You wey no park well well at all get mouth too sha. Na wa ooo smh.

Janosky:
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Roman 8:3, who did God Yahweh send to earth in the likeness of men? His son in heaven.
Your superimposition of "the Word" into Genesis Na wayo .. . The Word was facing towards the God. Jesus is NEVER ton theon ANYWHERE in the New Testament SCRIPTURES

Janosky:
Is the God of Genesis 1:1-31, He or triune?

The God of Genesis 1:1-31, is He, is the Godhead, is triune, but not restricted and/or not limited to the triune implying more than a triune because od is I AM that I AM. Meaning that God will be whatever necessary He needs to be

Janosky, is a he. Janosky is his legible written text I've been reading on this thread. Janosky's spoken word is Janosky. Janosky is someone's son, father, brother, nephew, grandpa, husband, friend etcetera. Janosky is the list can be endless and I am sure you're getting the drift.

Janosky:
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John 1:1-3. & Colossians 1:13-18 What's the lexicon of Greek "Dia" ?

Your problem is the lack of grasp of the Greek lexicon and with the internet at easy reach, there is no excuse for that
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Janosky:
We can't leave out Colossians 1:13-18, that's where your quote should start from.
If your claims were true, Colossians 1:13-18 can a son create his own Father?

You can make it into the history books by being the first son to create his own father, lol

Janosky:
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Colossians 1:19, who made all the events of verses13-18 possible?

The Word did. The Word before becoming human body flesh made all the events of Colossians 1:13-18 possible, lol.

Janosky:
How come that after his ascension, God's son is still in the image of God, just like man?
2 Cor4:4. Genesis 1:27

It simply is because God is a Spirit, that cant be seen with human being eyes. God is formless. God is a Spirit, and so has no form and so, God can only be seen as a representation, e.g. fire burning bush, as Jesus Christ the image of the same invisible God

Daejoyoung:
Yes l am willing to be saved, so explain the gospel to me.

The gospel in its purest and undiluted form is that the kingdom of God that was at hand and/or near is here now. All you toiling, all who labor and are heavily burdened, all who are tired from carrying heavy loads, the good news is that God is calling and is saying come to Me, I will refresh you and give you rest.

Daejoyoung:
l am not saying you are wrong or that the trinity is false, l am saying there is no proof to show that there should be only one interpretation of the trinity and that this interpretation is necessary for eternal life, because trinity itself as a doctrine (unlike say the divinity of jesus for instance) is an interpretation of the church and has no clear verse in the bible stating it, unless you can prove otherwise.

"Trinity itself as a doctrine (unlike say the divinity of Jesus for instance) is an interpretation of the church and has no clear verse in the bible stating it"
- Daejoyoung.

Gbam. Yes!

Daejoyoung:
My arguement therefore is that if that is the case, then what proof do you have from the scripture that someone's salvation is tied to the orthodox interpretation of trinity?
By orthodox interpretation, l mean three coequal seperate persons in one being.
Where is this particular definition of trinity in bible? how is it important? and how does it give you salvation?

Much ado about nothing

Daejoyoung:
Explain to me your understanding of Jesus, first from the gospels, and then the epistles.
l am just asking questions to learn.

Jesus is God in flesh. The gospel is, God in the person of Jesus physically and humanly lived among us. The epistles are about the God DIY project, they're about Jesus legally coming and lawfully entering earth in going about actualising and fulfilling the God DIY project. The epistles narrate the accomplishment(s), the role, the act and part Jesus played in the God DIY project etcetera

shadeyinka:
And yes, you are perfectly correct here. I won't send a gay or bestial person to the gallows. No!

They are SICK and they need treatment. Just like a mad man on the street, they need help from unbiased good thinking psychiatrists.

I only have problem with those who justify such pervasions as normal. To me it's like saying Kleptomaniac behaviours are normal human behaviours and then trying to use a forged scientific result to rationalize them.

Kleptomaniac behaviours is stealing and/or robbing. It is taking ownership of something that belongs to another person without their consent and/or approval. There is nothing normal in kleptomania as a human behaviour. One of the first set of sins committed in the garden was kleptomania.

kimco:
Two male or female adults feel deep affection towards each other and have decided to love each other deeply....both have consented, justified or not!

Maybe they are sick and need help, maybe...but that is for them to decide (talking of homosexuals here) since they are not hurting anyone unlike the others. Why are u worried for two adults who have decided to be happy with eachother? Do u wish to see both of them unhappy with sexes they are not attracted to so that you can some peace of mind? If the concept of consenting adults does mean anything to you then i dont know wat to tell you.

Also nobody is saying these things are normal sexual preferences, its not the norm....they are only saying its okay for two consenting adults to be happy with each other instead of subjecting dem to rigorous therapy that myt work...and usually result in self loathe and possibly suicide.
How about you make an argument for the other abnormal sexual preferences

shadeyinka wont send any Alan Turing to the gallows but will subject any somewhat Alan Turing to the "treatment" right, hmm?

shadeyinka, what of Leo Varadkar? Is Leo Varadkar SICK too? Does Leo Varadkar qualify as a right candidate for the shadeyinka prescribed highly applauded "treatment" huh, lol? Or its the horrifiying good old chemical castration treatment you pine for him, lol

sooperrescue:
Sorry about the error. It is 20v17. All these Chinese phones

That is no error nwanne, the real error is you, even with John 20:17, is still unable to bring proof of Jesus, leaving no room for confusion or doubt admitting that He is not God. Why are you hellbent on denying Jesus of His divinty and/or Godness, His state, quality, and/or condition of God, hmmm?

MuttleyLaff:
Hmm, hmm, have you got a problem with that, because God hasnt got a problem about that?

I have refuted that misconception about Christmas day nau, cant you read ni?
Now why dont you just answer the question put to you nau?
Like Mr Liar, liar pants on fire, where and when did Jesus, leaving no room for confusion or doubt admit He is not God, hmm?

sooperrescue:
John 21v17

"Jesus asked a third time, “Simon son of John, do you love Me?” Peter was deeply hurt that Jesus had asked him a third time, “Do you love Me?” “Lord, You know all things,” he replied. “You know I love You.” Jesus said to him, “Feed My sheep"
- John 21:17

sooperrescue, where in John 21:17 reproduced above, does Jesus, leaving no room for confusion or doubt admit He is not God, hmm?

Dtruthspeaker:
Why are you people like this, did Christ not clearly and openly say that he is not God?

I very much will be interested to see, read and know when Christ clearly and openly did say that he is not God.

Please speak the truth, provide proof beyond reasonable doubt, leaving no room for confusion or doubt and supporting with chapters and verses proving where or when Jesus, admitted to not being God

blueAgent:
Do you have to twist and turn a Bible verse to suit your preconcieved beliefs?

I agree with you that prooftexting is going on there.

blueAgent:
If that was true then the Bible is wrong in saying that after death is judgement, since the spirits of the dead were preached to

Being preached to is not the same as being judged. No one is and/or has been judged yet

blueAgent:
I will explain that Bible verse clearly to you when am less busy.

It very much will be of particular interest to me to know what perspective you have on 1 Peter 3:18-21, so kindly and please, notify me with a cc when you do get round to explain what those verses are about, lol

jcross19:
there is a gap between spirit world and carnal world!
it won't make sense to you if you don't believe in spirit world.

blueAgent:
All the things you are saying are pagan beliefs not Bible.

1000% bible. Sorry, lol

blueAgent:
If there is any proof in the Bible you could have posted it.

"And besides all these things, a great chasm (i.e. gap, gulf, abyss, deep pit, deep ditch separating us) has been fixed between us and you, so that those desiring to pass from here to you are not able, nor can they pass from there to us."
- Luke 16:26

"⁹As the cloud is consumed and vanishes away: so he that goes down to the grave shall come up no more.
¹⁰He shall return no more to his house, neither shall his place know him any more."
- Job 7:9-10

You clearly need to brush up your bible, don't you, lol?

Janosky:
Your deity doesn't know

"Thomas responded to Jesus, "My Lord and my God!""
- John 20:28

"Now before the feast of the passover, when Jesus knew that His hour was come that He should depart out of this world unto the Father, having loved his own which were in the world, he loved them unto the end."
- John 13:1

"²⁷Clearly, God has put everything under Christ's authority. When God says that everything has been put under Christ's authority, this clearly excludes God, since God has put everything under Christ's authority.
²⁸But when God puts everything under Christ's authority, the Son will put himself under God's authority, since God had put everything under the Son's authority. Then God will be in control of everything."
- 1 Corinthians 15:27-28

For saying "your deity doesn't know" wrap your head around John 20:28, John 13:1 and 1 Corinthians 15:27-28, lol.

If Jesus could tell His mother His "hour has not yet come .... If same Jesus knew about His hour was come that He should depart out of this world unto the Father, you really He doesnt know know, hmm Janosky. lol, smh? Read on the below following on how and why the Son will put Himself under God's authority

Janosky:
(Acts1: 7) He said to them: “It is not for you to know the times or dates the Father has set by his own authority." (. compare Matt24:36

Indeed only the Father knows, only the Father has a say in the matter, no one one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. Such knowledge is indeterminate, it is in the realm of the Father only to know.

The Son is keeping in His lane and isn't overstepping jurisdictional boundaries. Recall that, Jesus Christ, always says, He takes His lead from the Father. It is what He sees the Father do and/or say He does. Jesus respects the Father so much so that He is saying, I am not, before the Father does, going to say something and/or anything on day or hour of my Second Coming.

No one knows about that day or hour, not until when the Father says. It is not within the rights of the Son to reveal this information, especially not before the Father, who in the first place, is who sent Jesus to earth, gets the opportunity, Himself, to reveal the info, lol.

Janosky:
Role-playing for which drama?

Everybody has a role in a team they play. In this team it is not the right of Jesus to play revealing the time and hour of His Second Coming, that's a role for someone else to perform and so be it, lol. Nothing drama or dramatic in that

Janosky:
Solite3>" He demonstrated His omniscience on several occasions (cf. John 2:25; 3:13), but He voluntarily restricted that omniscience to only those things God wanted Him to know during the days of His humanity (John 15:15). Such was the case regarding the knowledge of the date and time of His return."

(John 15:15)>
I no longer call you servants, because a servant does not know his master's business. Instead, I have called you friends, for everything that I learned from my Father I have made known to you

*Acts1:1-7
Jesus Taken Up Into Heaven
1 In my former book, Theophilus, I wrote about all that Jesus began to do and to teach
2 until the day he was taken up to heaven, after giving instructions through the Holy Spirit to the apostles he had chosen.
3 After his suffering, he presented himself to them and gave many convincing proofs that he was alive. He appeared to them over a period of forty days and spoke about the kingdom of God.
4 On one occasion, while he was eating with them, he gave them this command: “Do not leave Jerusalem, but wait for the gift my Father promised, which you have heard me speak about.
5 For John baptized with [ a ] water, but in a few days you will be baptized with [ b ] the Holy Spirit.”
6 Then they gathered around him and asked him, “Lord, are you at this time going to restore the kingdom to Israel?”
7 He said to them: “It is not for you to know the times or dates the Father has set by his own authority.

One word: role-playing. Just as I've said in my comment above

solite3:
Answer: Speaking of Jesus' Second Coming, Matthew 24:36 (and Mark 13:32) tells us, “No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.”

When Jesus spoke these words to the disciples, even He had no knowledge of the date and time of His return. Although Jesus was fully God (John 1:1, 14), when He became a man, He voluntarily restricted the use of certain divine attributes (Philippians 2:6–8 ). He did not manifest them unless directed by the Father (John 4:34; 5:30; 6:38). He demonstrated His omniscience on several occasions (cf. John 2:25; 3:13), but He voluntarily restricted that omniscience to only those things God wanted Him to know during the days of His humanity (John 15:15). Such was the case regarding the knowledge of the date and time of His return. After He was resurrected, Jesus resumed His full divine knowledge (cf. Matthew 28:18; Acts 1:7).

Matthew 24:36 clearly states that the Father alone knows when Jesus' return will be. Verses such as John 5:30; 6:38; 8:28-29; 10:30; 12:49; 14:28, 31; and Matthew 26:39, 42 demonstrate Jesus' submission to the Father as well as their Oneness in the Godhead. Yes, they are both God. But some things Jesus had apparently chosen to "give up the rights" to be privy to during His earthly ministry (see Philippians 2:5-11). Jesus, now exalted in Heaven, surely knows all, including the timing of His Second Coming.

Furthermore to your given answer is that everybody has a role in a team, one be the Father, one be the Son, and another be a catalyst/creative force and so therefore, Jesus you find, simply was role playing.

Jesus at that moment of speaking about the time of His Second Coming was perfectly playing the role of the Son who does not fully know everything in the mind of a Father, the Son who does not know when the Father will decide when next is the time for Him to come back to earth again. Indeed only the Father knows, only the Father has a say in the matter, no one one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. Such knowledge is indeterminate, it is in the realm of the Father only to know. The Son is keeping in His lane and isn't overstepping jurisdictional boundaries. Recall that, Jesus Christ, always says, He takes His lead from the Father. It is what He sees the Father do and/or say He does. Jesus respects the Father so much so that He is saying, I am not, before the Father does, going to say something and/or anything on day or hour of my Second Coming. No one knows about that day or hour, not until when the Father says. It is not within the rights of the Son to reveal this information before the Father gets to do and/or does..

Janosky:
Why you deh LIE LIE on a public forum?
Where is your proof for these your LIES?
## (I)

" give a misleading, false account and or twisted impression of what I've typed,"

**(ii)*****
"adding to what I've typed, changing what I've typed, make up things I've never typed and so falsifying the content of my original comment(s) smh."


https://www.nairaland.com/muttleylaff
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Personal text : "Sometimes people ( such as MuttleyLaff) don't want
to hear the truth because they don't want
their illusions destroyed" - Friedrich
Nietzsche' "

Yes.
Very apt description of MuttleyLaff.

Janosky please show where in my comment you found and read me talk anything about "
living persons tortured in Gehenna?"
OR that
"Adam and Eve are being tortured now in eternal fire?"", hmm? Na wa for you ooo

Janosky:
(*1)A) "Eternal fire" created where, in heaven or earth?
*B) Where is the biblical proof that Adam and Eve are being tortured now in eternal fire?
*C) If hellfire exists, why did Yahweh prescribe Genesis 3:19 as Adam's punishment?

*D) 2 Thess1:7-9, what's the punishment Jesus will give to evildoers & wicked people?
*E) Jude1:7 did the eternal fire torture Sodom and Gomorrah?

(2) You claimed> hell(fire) has the sense of Gehenna, were living persons tortured in Gehenna?

(3) Psalm 16:10. Acts 2:31. If hell is a place for for torture, what is David and Jesus doing there?

Maybe when you learn to quote people in a verbatim way and/or correctly, then I wouldnt be made to have to respond to the misrepresentations as such as the above. Maybe if you had learnt not to give a misleading, false account and or twisted impression of what I've typed, I wouldnt have to decline responding to the distortions you have up there typed.

I just dont know why you're so unnecessarily revved up and be that bad, spoiling for a fight/argument, to the extent you need to resort to adding to what I've typed, changing what I've typed, make up things I've never typed and so falsifying the content of my original comment(s) smh.

Finallydead:
Good question, please understand the scripture is not an encyclopedia written to inform you of every spiritual thing hence you may not find some things of this sort explicitly stated. Do not just because of the limited information, therefore doubt the authenticity of holy scriptures

Gbam!

solite3:
the cross was used by the Romans to execute hardened criminals, it symbolises condemnation to the Romans and to the Jews anyone hung on a tree was termed as an accursed. The message of the cross is that Jesus took our condemnation on himself so we can have his own righteousness, that from now on we may live for him and not for ourselves.

OK thanks, and the cross represents a horizontal and vertical connection whereby relationship is restored and man is vertically reconciled with God as much as he is horizontally meant to be with his fellow human beings. That is the symbolism message and meaning that God is communicating with the cross being chosen as an object to die upon, if you know what I mean, lol.

Ladylite:
Wow, brilliant but jesusjnr is this correct? Pls help o

I know the serpent may have had sex with eve because the Bible says CAIN was of the devil.

johnw47:
1Jn 3:12 Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.

^^^ cain was said to be of the wicked one because his works were evil

Truthwords:
1 > EXPLAIN HOW SATAN GOT EVE PREGNANT?
Remember the Bible tells us how satan beguiled eve : 2 Corinthians 11:3 > But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

Now if you were to google the meaning of the word ''Beguiled" you will be shocked at the numerous meanings you will get . Charmed, hypnotized, seduce , etc

CAIN WAS SATANS SON

johnw47:
Gen 3:1 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
Gen 3:2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:
Gen 3:3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
Gen 3:4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
Gen 3:5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
Gen 3:6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.
^^^ the serpent deceived eve so as she woud disobey God and do what God said not to do
eve was deceived, so can our minds be also

2Co 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

beguiled
ἐξαπατάω
exapataō
ex-ap-at-ah'-o
to seduce wholly: - beguile, deceive.

MuttleyLaff:
There is more than the eyes see. That racy Genesis chapter 3, is full of double entendres, lol. If you know, you know. Who no know, no go know.

Tbh, its more of a case of elusive entendres, lol. Genesis chapter 3 is polysemous and full of recondite information, lol.

VBCampaign:
Much Ado about Witchcraft Conference

By: Deji Yesufu

The Center for Policy and Research, University of Nsukka (UNN), Nigeria, organized a conference with the theme: “Witchcraft: Meaning, Factors and Practices”. The conference held between November 26-27 and had keynote speakers from all over the nation come to discuss the subject of witchcraft. Days before the conference commenced, there had been much debate on whether or not the conference should hold. The organizers of the conference were accused by members of the Pentecostal Fellowship of Nigeria (PFN) of planning a conference where witches and wizards would be invading the sacred city of Nsukka in Enugu State. There were also some protests, as Christian bodies called upon the authorities of the school to ensure that the conference did not go on. Reacting to these criticisms, the Director of the Center where the event was billed to hold, Prof. Egodi Uchendu, said:

“Freedom of speech is a fundamental human right. CAN and others are free to express their opinions, just like we have the freedom to have an academic conference on witchcraft.”

http://mouthpiece.com.ng/much-ado-about-witchcraft-conference/
To be fair to the organizers of the conference, the conference centered on an academic discussion on the phenomenon on witchcraft. Some of the resolutions that proceeded from the conference was that there were no such thing as witches. That witchcraft was the invention of an age that was superstitious and unenlightened. Science has proven that most of what many regard as witchcraft manifestations were basically natural occurrences. While I may not agree with everything that was said in the conference, I cannot but help to see a bigger problem from this situation.

Level playing field. I may not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it

VBCampaign:
17th century United States of America was a society that was steeped in beliefs in witches and wizards. The famous Salem witch trials in Massachusetts between 1692 and 1693 left no less than sixteen women burnt at the stakes, after they had been alleged, tried in court and executed for claiming to be witches. Evidences that were gathered after these women were killed showed that there were strong indications that they were innocent. A wave of remorse enveloped those societies and the killing of witches stopped.

Not a single man burnt on the stake, looks really like a witch hunt and no wizard hunt, smells and stinks sky high like victimisation.

VBCampaign:
It has been discovered that superstition and lack of education are not the only factors that contribute to this tendency for calling people witches. One other leading factor is hardship. When a people have been plunged in economic difficulties, they find a way of releasing their frustrations on others. One way of doing this is by indiscriminately calling people witches and bringing swift judgment of death on them. The Nigerian situation is doubly worse. People are not only dealing with harsh economic realities, they also have to come to grasp with the false teachings that are proceeding from the pulpits of those who call themselves pastors in this clime. The leading culprit in this matter is the man at the helm of affairs of the Mountain of Fire and Miracle Ministries: Pastor Daniel Olukoya

You excluded ignorance. Isnt Olukoya a Phd holder? Doesnt seem like he lacks education then

VBCampaign:
Olukoya invented a new kind of Christianity. This Christianity is not only Pentecostal, it also has a rabid commitment to deliverance. Olukoya teaches his adherents that the devil and his demons are in every situation of life and they are possessing every human being – no matter the idiosyncrasy that person may manifest. Olukoya teaches his people that everything can be solved by deliverance (in Jesus name). The natural consequence of such world-view is to see the devil everywhere; in everything; and possessing everyone. This is the sought of mindset that the folks who protested the conference at UNN are possessed with.

The Olukoyas of this world never cease to amaze me

VBCampaign:
My position is simple: there are indeed works of darkness still existing in our world today. There are people who have given themselves to such evil and demonic activities, that they are possessed by these very demons themselves. I am however confident that these people are few in our world today and they are largely harmless. The real problem in our society is not the presence of witches but the prevalence of ignorance. Such ignorance that is further heightened by pastors who refuse to gain knowledge for themselves.

I've bumped into the ignorance mention here, lol

VBCampaign:
The fundamental problem with those who spend their time opposing conferences on witchcraft is a theological problem: a tendency to forget the heart of the Christian gospel. It is good to remind Christians that Jesus Christ died and rose again to redeem men from sin as taught in Matthew 1:21 (and not to act as a shield against evil spirits and witches). This is a fundamental fact that is lost on a kind of Christianity in Africa that sees the church as a means for protection against animist beliefs in demons and spirits that Africans have always held to. Prior to the coming of Christianity to the continent, Africans have always held to an animist belief of good fighting against evil in the atmosphere. And that the sole goal of every man was to get good forces to help overcome evil forces. When Christianity came, it was quite easy for them to begin now to use the name of Jesus (instead of the name of Sango or Obatala) to defeat the evil spirits around them.

One name is powerful than the others now, lol

VBCampaign:
These scenarios are often seen in Nigerian movies where a problem arises and after all is said and done, a pastor is implored to come and ward off the evil around. The pastor comes, prays and all is well. So, the tendency to use God as a talisman is the main deficiency in many theological beliefs in this country. This is their train of thoughts: since witches and wizards are termed evil, then anyone that is promoting a conference to discuss these issues is also promoting evil and must be resisted.

Well.

VBCampaign:
If however these churches understand that the gospel is not pursuing evil forces around, to defeat them so that people can live happily ever after; if we understand that the gospel seeks to help us realize our debt before God (sin) and to turn to Christ who alone can pay that debt, we would realize that witches and wizards are not the issues that are paramount to the Christian. With or without witches and wizards, the Christian man would achieve God’s purposes for him. If a witch were to afflict a Christian, such an evil providence would only act to help fulfill God’s will for him (2 Corinthians 12:7). So, for example, if a Christian is plagued by, say depression, which may have been instilled by a witch. In the long run, the Christian will overcome the depression and possibly become an authority in it to help others overcome depression. The devil is God’s tool and not his rival and enemy in that sense.

"⁸Be sober-minded and alert. Your adversary the devil prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour.
⁹Resist him, standing firm in your faith and in the knowledge that your brothers throughout the world are undergoing the same kinds of suffering"
- 1 Peter 5:8-9

I am aware you typed that the devil is not God's rival and enemy in that sense, it still doesnt diminish the fact, that, the devil is God's adversary, as much as is ours too.

VBCampaign:
If Christians today understand this, we can busy ourselves with teaching and propagating the gospel. While we could even benefit from intellectual discourses into metaphysical phenomena like witchcraft. It sure wouldn’t hurt anyone; rather it stands to add to the body of knowledge of God’s wonderful creation.

Like we often do benefiting from intellectual discourses into metaphysical phenomena like witchcraft etcetera with the likes of the FOLYKAZE, vaxx etcetera of this world.

HarunaWest:
The Witches in Nigeria are Hunger, Poverty, Illiteracy, Religious fanatics, Nepotism, Corruption and that man in the other room.....
I repeat, this isn't hate speech.

You've got jokes, lol

ichuka:
Thanks again big bro
Let's still break it down for the viewers .

You already have. Wehdone Sir.

solite3:
The gospel of the cross is the power of God to save.
Glory and honor be unto God our father and unto the Lord Jesus forever. Amen

Why is it a cross solite3 that Jesus died on? What gospel symbolism message is the cross that Jesus died upon passing on?

Brock1:
In D Beginning God Created Heaven And Earth, When Did He Create Hell
enlighten us

"Then he will say also to those who are at his left,
'Depart from me, you cursed ones, into eternal fire, that which was prepared for The Devil and for his Angels."
- Matthew 25:41

"And if your hand should cause you to stumble, cut it off;
it is better for you to enter into life crippled,
than having two hands to go away into Gehenna, into the unquenchable fire."
- Mark 9:43

"But I will show you whom you should fear:
Fear the One who has authority, after the killing, to cast into Gehenna. Yes, I say to you, fear Him."
- Luke 12:5

The eternal fire, which some take as meaning hell, was not originally created for man, which explains why it's existence is not mentioned in any of the creation six days, but obviously it was created sometime after the Devil and his angels' rebellion and before the rebellion of Adam and Eve.

BLUELemon:
The Bible was translated from Hebrew... To Greek and then to various languages.
What the Hebrew language described as hell isn't actually a place of huge fire but a place where things abandoned are kept.
You can research it.

If you know, you know. Who no know, no go know

Hell not really a Jewish/Hebraic concept, but its more of a Greek mythology concept, and it is like a dumpster, landfill site and/or refuse tip site. Hell, has the sense of Gehenna, the garbage dump site for the biblical city of Jerusalem, where fires burned continually to destroy the garbage, abandoned and disused stuff.

Hell, in that light, is in fact, a destination place of the evil and/or morally wrong, like quick money making practice ritualist(s) etcetera for an example.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9iiK64HGPY0
I remember my mum and especially my maternal gandma both RIP looking at me with disdain for thinking of taking from and/or giving them something with my left hand. I remember my mum telling me off for wiping my bum with my right hand and asking why I didnt use the left hand. I remember being corrected to be using my right hand to write and not my left hand

nlPoster:

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nlPoster:
Why A Right Handed Preacher Should Not Copy A Left Handed Technique
Left handers reason things differently, if a right handed person attempts to imitate their dialectic method, they'll be confused.

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