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Janosky:
* MuttleyLaff, John1:1 'the Word' is NOT a mere verbal expression. Don't get it twisted.
Don't deceive yourself.

Please ,Read & digest the truth from this link below & receive SENSE...

https://www.vanguardngr.com/2019/08/biblical-facts-about-the-trinity-reno-omokri/

You must have mistaken me for another poster to be sign-posting me to that omokirikiri's article. It is not for me, sorry. Receive SENSE and share it instead with your trinitarian friends, lol.

MuttleyLaff:
Was it difficult to, accept and agree that, it is not hard or impossible for God, or for your sake, Allah, to simultaneously be in heaven and on earth at the same time?

I know its challenging for many and especially, a muslim brother like you, to understand, what is meant, when God, with the placeholder, says: I AM

''I AM that I AM'', ''I SHALL BE THAT I SHALL'' or ''I WILL BE THAT I BE'' are expressive phrases. It means, God will be what God needs to be. We find out what God was yesterday, we keep knowing Him every moment and day. God is new every morning, God is new tomorrow

That is why, God in Exodus 3:14, said to Moses:
"I AM WHO I AM.
This is what you are to say to the Israelites: 'I AM has sent me to you."

Essentially, the "I AM WHO I AM or I AM THAT I AM" in Exodus 3:14 above means, I will become whatsoever I may become. I'll be, I will become whatever it is necessary for Me, to be and/or Me to become.

God therefore and fyi Empiree, is, a "not-known-number" of person. God, therefore then, is, x-person and so God, in effect is, ∞-persons, as in, meaning, God is infinite or infinity.

God is someone without any bound, without limit, without an end. God is the first and the last, God oxymoronically has no beginning and no end. God is someone bigger and larger than any specified number, even three or trinity. This means, dont put God in a box.

Try and be original, stop copying and using lines, I've previously used on you. Do you think, if you had answered my question, I've got your time to be repeating questions. You didnt even responsibly answer the question. I overlooked your evasiveness and just in order to move on, managed your insincere and faithless answer

Janosky, I merely was letting you be aware of the similarities between what's in the Godhead and in man. I am sure you know about: "Let Us make man in Our image and likeness"

Janosky, where did you see or read me, say "the Word" is a mere verbal expression, hmm?. Dont get it twisted Janosky, the Word is a creative force. The Word has influence, the Word has weight. As a matter of fact, Psalm 138:2, even says, God has magnified His word above all His name. So nwanne Janosky, fyi, the Word is NOT a mere verbal expression, it is the name of God, related to a verb of action, that IS a verbal expression. The name of God is a verbal expression, this because and/or by the actions deeds and things God does.

Why did you not attempt to try and answer each one and all of those six questions erhn Janosky? C'mon, dont let six dead easy peasy lemon squeasy, harmless simple questions seem like too hard for you to answer, lol

shadeyinka wetin you type, wey dey come hide up there, you even for don price and buy "you're banned" market sef. Sorry ooo.

PS: FOLYKAZE, I havent forgotten about you, my response is on the back burner half done. Will it across asap. Watch this space

solite3:
well muttylaff you have answered your own question. Non believers cannot cast out demons.

It is your question solite3. It originally, is the question asked by the thread heading or title.

I was, when everyone was dilly dallying with the answer, forced to re-echo the thread titled heading, that was asking: Can A Non Believer Cast Out A Devil In The Name Of Jesus? It was only missjo, a female for that matter, that had the balls to put her head on the line to say NO, everyone else were shuffling their feet and not committing themselves to a definite answer, so how I found myself step in, trying to get out from everyone an emphatic YES or NO answer

All along until my revision of Acts 19:13-16 and looking at it with a fresh, critical and careful perspective, I had been under the impression that it was some cast out demons that jumped out to flog the sons of Sceva nakẹd and wounded, when in actual fact it was the possessed man himself that beat the seven brothers silly.

¹³Now there were some itinerant Jewish exorcists who tried to invoke the name of the Lord Jesus over those with evil spirits.
They would say, “I bind you by Jesus, whom Paul proclaims.”
¹⁴Seven sons of Sceva, a Jewish chief priest, were doing this.
¹⁵Eventually, one of the evil spirits answered them, “Jesus I know, and I know about Paul, but who are you?”
¹⁶Then the man with the evil spirit jumped on them and overpowered them all. The attack was so violent that they ran out of the house nakẹd and wounded.
- Acts 19:13-16

OK, solite3 and missjo, here I am eating the humble pie and with my hands raised up. Tbh, I've for some unknown reason had the impression that it was them demons that jumped out the man and beat the hell out of those brothers. Technically, I could say it was the demons who indirectly beat the man but I'll be deceiving myself, if I do, so it means, after me revising Acts 19:13-16, I confidently now can say that, non believers cannot cast out demons, but if they try, can upset and annoy the demons to the extent that their actions could backfire and turn into a misadventure like that of the witch of Endor and those seven sons of Sceva, lol.

missjo I accept and agree with your capital NO. You were right. Acts 19:13-16 doesnt say the evil spirits/demons were cast out. They stayed inside the man but violently retaliated, lol.

solite3:
my taught exactly only that satan do not really cast out satan but only appear to do so so as to sweep the gullible in deception.
Note I dont believe satan can cast out satan, he only appears to do so for he is a master deciever

solite3, there is no honour among thieves. The kingdom of darkness is a realm full of bullies. If given a chance satan will cast out satan, its in their DNA.

missjo:
This is what I mean, which is why I added in the guise it was done in Jesus name

solite3:
hmm very well thanks.

So now missjo, you want to tell us that the seven brothers, the sons of Sceva, did adventure in guise that got them chased out running for dear lives as they were getting beaten nakẹd by the demons, erhn, lol?

missjo:
NO.

Smiles.

missjo:
If you have a different answer, please share with some explanations. I'm always willing to understand a perspective not known to me.

Different answer, to please share with some explanations is the case in point, the seven brothers, the sons of Sceva

solite3:
well, muttley the witch of Endor wasnt a scammer

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You made me laugh solite3

solite3:
at least the bible never said so.

There are a lot things the bible never said so solite3. Fyi, and like for example, the bible never said the Godhead is trinity but it is doctrine, a belief held and taught by the Church lol. The term "rapture" is used nowhere in the Bible, but it is a doctrine, a belief held and taught by the Church, lol

solite3:
Demon spirit recognise the truth, for example they knew who Jesus was and called him so until Jesus silence them, in the same vein, they must have know that God had rejected saul and only rebroadcasted what samuel said when he was alive which saul already knew.

All this is besides the point and not related to that question you avoided to answer, about whether or not a non believer can cast out a devil and/or demons in the name of Jesus or not

missjo:
Muttley you must not make the divine workings of Calvary akin to the law of gravity - you're treading the line of blasphemy.

Though both are indeed the workings of our father, but yet while a simple word from the mouth of God could bring about gravity in an instant, it took thousands of years after the fall of Adam to bring about the perfect restoration that is cavalry.

You are departing from the serious bone of contention here missjo and that is, lets take from your understanding, is it really impossible for a non believer to cast out a devil and/or demons in the name of Jesus, hmm?

missjo:
Are you contrasting the workings of the cross with the workings of the law of gravity?
Really Muttley?

Both are the working of the our God missjo. God is not a respecter of persons. Please dont go narrow minded on me. On the contrary missjo, what really I am showing you with that simple easy straighforward and direct question missjo, is a resemblance.

solite3:
A non believer can not cast out a demon but satan can decieve a non christian into thinking he is casting out a demon in the name of Jesus Just to continue his unrighteous works.

False prophets and false miracle workers through the empowerment of the devil could seem to cast out a devil but in reality the devil is only deceiving ungodly people into error and false teachings thinking they have the backing of God in their works of unrighteousness.

solite3:
succinct! You know people usually think that because those workers of iniquity said they cast out demons in the name of Jesus meant they were really saved in the first place ignoring the fact that Jesus said he never knew them. Jesus never ever denies his sheep, he said he knows his sheep and his sheep knows him.

solite3, forget about all that beautiful good and dandy saving thing and/or not saved in the first place for the moment. All I want you to do is not straddle the fence, but to tell from your understanding if a non believer can cast out a devil and/or demons in the name of Jesus or not, hmm? People do things they really dont believe in, and get surprised when they get rude awakening shocking results. Case in point, the witch of Endor. Obviously a scammer plus trickster, but she got a surprising, frigthening and unpleasant discovery on that with King Saul, lol.

[img]https://s5/images/John1_1.jpg[/img]

Janosky:
"the word was with (Greek=facing towards) "ton theon (the God)"
The Word is a being separate being from the God.
This Fact is Explicit in John1:1-2.
Receive sense.

Janosky,
1/ the word, your word(s) that comes forth out of your mouth are they lesser than you?
2/ Do they represent or not represent you. Is the word that comes out of your mouth any less potent compared with you not verbally saying anything, hmm?
3/ Do you utter the word for something to get done a few distance away, and get result, without you physically being present at the distant place?
4/ Your word, is it separate from the moniker Janosky, you?
5/ Janosky, what do you verbally express yourself with?
6/ Janosky, you talk and/or impart information in the form of what?

Olukoso1:
Beautiful

Your first Religion forum comment. Congrats. On behalf of the many interlocutors here, I say, welcome. Trust you'll find the place helpful and be worth your while peeking in.

missjo:
Being a believer means you have accepted that Jesus is the son of God, that he died on Calvary, and that he is risen. It also means that your faith is hinged on the power of the cross and what Christ did on it.
This belief and faith is what gives the Holy Spirit latitude to work in our lives. In other words, the Holy Ghost (by whose power demons are cast out) only works within the parameters of your belief and faith in Christ.

Thus to answer your question, it is IMPOSSIBLE for a non-believer to cast out demons in the name of a Jesus Christ whom he/she neither believes nor has faith in.

solite3:
there are people who do not believe that Jesus died for their sins yet they call Jesus Lord.

budaatum:
And yet, there is one, "not one of them", casting out demons in Christ name. One should wonder how.

"²²Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name,
and in Your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’
²³Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you workers of lawlessness!’"
- Matthew 7:22-23

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OK then, who are the people in Matthew 7:22 above then that did exploits in Jesus' name, like casting out demons etcetera missjo?

Let me ask you a simple easy straighforward and direct question missjo, and that is:
Is it impossible to not comply with workings of the law of gravity when jumping off a skyscraper without much of having a parachute, at the very least strapped on, taking into account, you dont believe in, dont have faith and/or belief in the law of gravity, erhn?

nlPoster:
"They sewed fig leaves and made aprons"
An apron is a cover all.

Nope. Aprons, are all, not necessarily, a cover all.

nlPoster:
What you have there is loin cloth from Africa.

The bible specifically at Genesis 3:7, said and/or mentioned loin covering. Alternatively called it girdle. I am 110% quite sure, you know what girdle is, lol.

nlPoster:
Apron:

You're really trying hard, lol. The bible without giving room for doubt, at Genesis 3:7, clearly states its a loincloth nlPoster, meaning, covering the loins, as in, to make it clearer and a bit graphic, which you arent a big fan off, covering the region and/or areas of the sexual organs, lol. Now if you're that determined to advance and push for aprons, no problem then, but I'll help you, at no cost, to qualify that it is a waist apron, they made from the fig leaves and not that your run of mill type chef apron you have pasted up above there nlPoster, lol

petra1:
The authority of the name of Jesus is given to believers. Unbelievers cant Use the power of his name . Remembered the Sons of Sceva . They tried to cast out devils with the name of christ yet they were none of his . The demon even replied them .

Acts 19:15
And the evil spirit answered and said, Jesus I know, and Paul I know; but who are ye?

petra1, forget all that, just tell, and answer the question about, who are the people in Matthew 7:22 above then that did exploits in Jesus' name erhn petra1?

petra1:
Jigazz, can you address the issue I raised

petra1:
The name of Jesus can only be used by a believer. A non christian cant cast out devils in the name of Jesus .

[img]https://s3/images/ObamaMuttley.gif[/img]
"²²Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name,
and in Your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’
²³Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you workers of lawlessness!’"
- Matthew 7:22-23

What issue? So? OK then, who are the people in Matthew 7:22 above then that did exploits in Jesus' name erhn petra1?

RiyadhGoddess:
I won't say it's a vision per say because I wasn't sleeping and I didn't close my eyes. It wasn't in a dream either but it could be a trance but I was standing and opening my eyes.
I was in the church that very sunday morning and my pastor was reading a bible passage. Funny enough, the Holy Spirit has forced me to read that same verse that same morning in the house but I didn't take it serious like that (that's another story) So I was surprised when my pastor asked us to open to that same bible chapter. While my pastor was reading, I looked up and to my surprise, I saw the tent ceiling I don't know what's it's called but I will call it ceiling , it was as white as snow like white sky and I saw angels as white as snow hovering around the whole ceiling and coming down in different angles with wrapped boxes. I continued to look up as they all come down in their white wings like wool dropping boxes in the second layer (step) of the altar. I was enjoying the beautiful scene when I yet saw another set of 3 angels carrying 3 babies wrapped in pure white cloth or what we call shawl and they gently dropped the babies on the second layer of the altar. I looked and it was 2 girls and 1 baby boy. And I was asking who owns them? Why are they still there? Who own the babies? No one is Coming forward. Can I have a box? And then an angel placed a box on my hand and I embraced it, he also placed a key in my hand. I held it tightly. The box in my hand was opened, I saw plenty things. I was smiling. Very happy. Let me stop here since we are talking about angels...

I don't think you still need me to answer number 3 because I believe we all know that only Angels of the light brings good things right?

I saw them on the 4th of August 2019 at exactly 11:10am

I hope I've been able to answer your questions Sir.
MuttleyLaff

No, you did not satisfactorily and completely answer the questions Ma'am. You did not answer the questions as numbered. I was expecting your answers to be in a format answered as shown with below example(s):
1/ I did not see the celestial angels in a dream nor did I vividly with my kokoro eyes see them, because what I saw was, in a trance.
2/ The first words the celestial beings uttered to me was xyz
3/ I knew they were/are angelic hosts of heaven and not demons, masquerading as angels of light because of xyz
4/ The exact, date, time and occasion that I first met and/or saw these celestial beings or angelic hosts from heaven was on xyz
5/ The last time I've met and/or seen any of these celestial beings or angelic hosts from heaven was on xyz

RiyadhGoddess, please re-attempt and properly answer those questions, with the guidelines given above, as if given them, in school like you say you're trying to settle down in. Also bonus question #6 is:
6a/ Describe and explain what you mean by "trance".
6b/ Why was the visitation in the form of a trance for you and not in a dream, vision or you vividly seeing the celestial beings with your nakẹd kokoro and opened eyes?
6c/ So did all your angelic host from heaven visitations or encounters occur in a trance?

RiyadhGoddess:
I will talk about my encounter with the human angel later

I am sure it will be very interesting and you are keen to share it but lets completely exhaust and wring out all the juices of information you have about your celestial visitation first before embarking on telling your encounter with human being angels, aiiright?

RiyadhGoddess:
Jesus hahahahaha
Once I'm settled in school

What kind of school is this? Why at the school and/or what are you doing at this school?

RiyadhGoddess:
I will answer them one by one.

I'll believe when I see you one by one answer.

RiyadhGoddess:
First let me search for the date I saw the celestial angels because I shared it amongst my friends on WhatsApp

Good luck with that.

RiyadhGoddess:
I've seen both Celestial angels and Human angel. I will explain before the end of today...

Thank you for your timely reply.
1/ Were the celestial angels you saw were they seen in a vision or they were vivivdly seen?
2/ Also dont forget to tell, what were the exact first words that came out from them to you (i.e. meaning, what did they first say to you)
3/ How did/do you know they were/are angelic hosts of heaven and not demons, masquerading as angels of light?
4/ When exactly, what date, time and on what ocassion did you first saw these celestial beings or angelic hosts from heaven?
5/ When exactly, what date, time and what ocassion is the time you last saw these celestial beings or angelic hosts from heaven?

RiyadhGoddess:
I have seen angels...

Really? What did you see? Are what you saw celestial beings angels or were they human being angels. If what you saw were celestial beings angel, what were the first words that came out from them to? (i.e. meaning, what did they first say to you)

Oopsy daisy Olukoso1, what did you type, that above got hidden and probably landed you a ban now, erhn? Naughty, naughty, naugthy, tsk, tsk, tsk.

Icesy:
So this slang "MAD OH" has been trending massively for sometime now. I first heard my roomie say it and before I knew what was going on, IT was everywhere.
So share where you first heard yours??
MAAAAAD OH!!

Duru9:
Mad oh how?
Mad oh don dey since last year nah

[img]https://s5/images/MadOh.jpg[/img]
https://www.instagram.com/p/B5anuZoAtrK/

Its R2Bees, a Ghanaian hip hop and hiplife group in 2017, who first put "mad oh" on the map, in a track, before Playaz in this year, who too are from Ghana further popularised the "mad oh" expression with their own song version.

nlPoster:
The fig leaves were sewn together, that's like a dress.

[img]https://s5/images/loincloth.jpg[/img]
nlPoster, you really think that "the fig leaves were sewn together, that's like a dress" hmm? Well, I beg to differ and say the fig leaves were not sewn together, to be like a dress. In fact, the fig leaves actually were used to create and/or make a girdle, and this means, made something worn round the waist. You might even further and/or loosely say, the fig leaves were used to make a loincloth. Loincloth, as in meaning, look at the pasted above, to see an example of an interesting picture of a male version loincloth, lol.

nlPoster:
We don't know for sure if they only covered the bare essentials or the whole body.

On the contrary, we do 110% know for sure, that they only covered the bare essentials part of the human body and not cover their whole or entire human body. How do we know this? We know this nlPoster, because the bible at Genesis 3:7, specifically tells, what part of the human body the fig leaves were used to cover up with.

nlPoster:
As per the rest of your questions, nudity is unclothedness,

If really "nudity is unclothedness" and period for you, then I just have to re-ask my earlier posed question which was, why was it that the fig leaves were put together, to be attached to just the area around hip and/or mid region only then? Why not the boobs, why not the upper body parts, why not the entire rest of the human body, lol? Why not make a dress out of the fig leaves? Why specifically just the mid region area? What is going on here? What went down there, to now be self conscious enough to be covering up just that part of the body alone? What really are they hiding or trying to conceal with covering up with them fig leaves erhn? What made them want to cover up just that part of the body? What compelled them to do this? What is the reason? There is a method in my questionings. There are reasons for asking all these questions, there are reasons for asking the questions, the way they each and all are asked.

nlPoster:
I'm trying to not make the thread too graphic. Thoughts on nudity means what do you think about nudity, it's assumed you already know what nudity is.

We are all grown ups contributing on the thread. You can see for yourself, that the thread so far and up to this point has been self regulated and also to a good standard sanitised. No one has used sexually explicit unpleasant, shocking expressions or graphic descriptions that would give others discomfort or make them squirm. Of course, certain words and/or wordings have been codely advanced by interlocutors, such that, if you know, you know, and if unfortunately you dont know, then sorry, its as simple as that then, you just dont know then and wont know. Nobody is asking anyone, to be unnecessarily graphic, all we are trying to do here is extricate information and hopefully make some, if not all, discoveries from question(s) we ask each other and/or get an epiphany or aha moment(s) from question(s) answered and not dodged or prevaricated questions

PS: Why didnt I get a notification you've quoted my comment, lol?

MuttleyLaff:
Please confirm whether or not "Prophet" E. Bernard Jordan has, in your email conversations with him, begun to ask you for money yet?

Kei144:
He asks for sowing of seed in every email. Even though I have not been able to sow any seed in a very long time, he has not cut off from me. Not sowing seed to him does not prevent him from ministering to me. And he is able to see details of my life.

"Alfa ti ooni irugbọ, woli ti omo Ọlọun", lol loosely means, "Alfa without bia-bia for chin, prophet that doesnt really at all know God"

nlPoster:
The shame was what they assigned to the condition of nudity.

How much of the area of the human body would a fig leaf cover?
Why attach the fig leaves to areas around hip and/or mid region?
Nobi janjanla ordinary tree small harmlessly looking fruit, only, dem go pluck chop ni, lol? Or is there more to that, lol?

nlPoster:
Nudity in itself was not shameful as shown when they were first created.

We both see and agree on this that nudity in itself was not shameful. As a matter of fact, it was the loss that brought on shamefulness. The bible before the fall from grace, at Genesis 2:25 says: "And the man and his wife were both nakẹd, and they were not ashamed" so something happened (i.e. that made them to lose) and this caused them to first cover up an incriminating object and secondly to then hide from God under the excuse of being nakẹd

nlPoster:
There was nothing different about the nudity they had before and after the fall, what changed was how they felt about it.

The difference is the absense of the protective righteousness of God they had initially had on as a spiritual covering. The introduction of sin, sin now present and being there caused them to realise something, the spiritual covering has gone amiss, AWOL. They felt , the spiritual covering has done a runner on them, lol. Panic kicks and sets in, they are vulnerable, they didnt mind from the beginnning being nakẹd. Afterall, from the beginning the human body was meant to be seen and not all covered up with clothes or in human fabrics lol. Besides all that, they even have the spiritual covering of God, but that all gone now. So what do they do, but to first hide the incriminating evidences and hide when God comes in the evening breeze.

nlPoster:
That was why God asked them "Who told you you were naked?"

This is just the first half of the questioning. The second half was: "Have you eaten of the tree from which I commanded you not to eat?" Why would God ask such a double barrel question. It is because eating from that tree is the only way to lose the spiritual covering and for you to now that didnt mind all along nakẹdness be now, turning round to, in a kind of funny way of admission of gulit, say, you are nakẹd

nlPoster:
And because their unclothedness no longer sufficed, they had to have extra coverings in addition to the previous one ie the lack of shame.

Of course, their unclothedness would no longer sufficed. They had to have extra and proper coverings in order to face and withstand the harsh reality of life they've let themselves into

nlPoster:
They made a new set of laws "good" and "bad", nudity, like most or all of creation, was under bad.

Thats the general idea behind what the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil is all about now. Isnt it interesting that, the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil was näkedly put and openly left in the attractive centre part of the garden of Eden. It wasnt blocked off. It wasnt covered up. It wasnt cordoned. Na wa ooo, lol. What is/was going on, lol.

If I can squeeze in the time, we could discuss some surprising fact(s) that arent generally known about the Tree of the knowledge of Good and evil and Tree of life (i.e. TokG&E and ToL). They for some, will be very surprising, astonishing, remarkable, overwhelming and/or startling facts, lol.

nlPoster:
Basically I'm saying it was the same thing as before, but now they had a different view. Just theorizing.

I think in order to make the parameters of this topic less confusing and more comprehensible you need to define what sort of nudity you're discussing here
1/ Is it full monty, also known as frontal nudity?
2/ Is it complete buck stark nakẹd nudity?
3/ Is showing your bare bum classed as nudity?
4/ Is sunbathing on beach in tongs and skimpy bras classed nudity?
5/ Are barechested no shirts on men classed as nudity?

nlPoster:
I looked up the grower and shower thing after the other poster explained those terms mean something different, I now have an idea it refers to nudity, as the thread title says.

Thank you for this update and being that kind enough to come back admit that growers and showers have connections that have to do with nudity

nlPoster:
Their methods are not as random as they appear, that's what they carefully contrive. You're trying too hard.

I am trying too hard at what?

nlPoster:
It is.

Bizzare

nlPoster:
I could be anywhere at anytime, I like to imagine. Neither am I a leopard/ess.

OK let me change my leopardess comment if you're averse to leopard/ess, to old habits are difficult to break then, lol

nlPoster:
@ bolded nlers haven't changed, what changed is my focus. I noticed I can counter their lies and mischief using more than one type of response. Thanks for the compliment. Most people here never really left, they just change ids.

You're welcome. Some left, some changed their IDs and werent as enthusiastic nor show same great energy as before changing IDs.

nlPoster:
ok, I looked up some bible references to nudity and overall, unclothedness is definitely negative. It represents shame, in the scriptures. I asked for people's views in order to see if there's any specific deviation from this context, obviously not among (Nigerian) Christians.

Since I know whom I am dealing with, I am comfortable now to discuss shower and grower with you. I previously asked you if you had the privilege to be at boarding school, at which you didnt reply, but it didnt matter because being a female, you probably wouldnt easily be able to relate since females arent growers. OK here the deal about growers and showers. In the hostels, often few boys regularly go about in the dormitory rooms or hallway to the bathrooms buck nakẹd. Now nlPoster, showers are boys blessed by God with very well-endowed massive danglings, meaning it is already long looking without even being erect. Such guys are proud of this, that they flaunt it by going about places in the hostel buck nakẹd. Meanwhile the growers, are those with initially looking small chinese noodle when limp that only grows to become cucumbers when erect. The growers wrap up in towels going to the bathrooms etcetera, to hide what's under, unlike the showers who let everything out to the cold breeze and whole wide world have a free look peek at it.

Now you know why my previous comment on nudity was:
"My thoughts is the difference between shower and grower, as in, if you've got it, flaunt it, oftentimes is what showers do. lol. Afterall, in the beginning the body was meant to be seen and not all covered up with clothes or in human fabrics lol. On a more serious note, aside nudity being natural, I, for one, any time, any day, prefer a nakẹd truth to a well and/or best dressed lie"

nlPoster:
So, the first mention of nudity in the bible, did not come with shame. What happened to turn nudity into shame?

Man right from the beginning and before the fall from grace was always physically nude, but were clothed in God's protective righteousness and so though nude, they didnt mind their nakẹdness. It was at the point of fall from grace, that they lost their protective cloth of righteousness. Upon realisation of this, they then embarked on hiding themselves from God and tried cover up, with fig leaves, the incriminating evidence, showing they have eaten off the tree of the knowledge of Good and Evil

nlPoster:
Was nudity itself the sin?

No, au naturel or even full frontal nudity itself was not the sin. It is the act(s) that developed from nursing and toying with the idea to eat off the ToKGE that itself turned to sin

nlPoster:
Or Adam and Eve's perception/enlightment that made them classify being naked with sinfulness

Nah, it was the shame. Why do you think, petty thieves are stripped buck nakẹd? It simply is to shame them

nlPoster:
I think the knowledge of their disobedience, together with their heightened awareness (of having done wrong), made them link their nudity with their sin. Meaning they began classifying hitherto innocuous things, as sin/sinless. The first set of man made (as opposed to God made) laws after their disobedience. Their judgement was corrupted.

There is more than the eyes see. That racy Genesis chapter 3, is full of double entendres, lol. If you know, you know. Who no know, no go know.

FOLYKAZE:
That verse above talked about the meek ones... Anyone, including the pagans can be meek. It has nothing to do with Christians or Christianity.

The verse actually in the original text talked about the humble ones, which is why I put in humble in brackets. Everything Jesus commanded and/or talked about is for everyone who has ears to listen and hear with. There is no discrimination

FOLYKAZE:
Matt 5:3 mentioned "blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven."
John 14:3 mentioned "... I will come again, and receive you unto myself ; that where I am, there ye may be also"
1 thes 4:17 mentioned " then we which are alive and remain shall be caught together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air..."

Those three verses indicate that Christians are going to heaven. We ain't discussing about meek ones but Christians sir.

Nope sire, my dear Sir. Kingdom of heaven is not the same as heaven itself, besides I keep informing you that going to heaven is a honeymoon journey, that everyone is coming back down to earth, lol, after it

FOLYKAZE:
Dear mr Muttley, you need to read your Bible more.

I already do. You should do same too but carefully and thoughtfully be reading it

FOLYKAZE:
According to John 10:18, Jesus wasn't really killed, he laid down his own life which equals to suicide.

The verse reads, "No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up..."

It is true and a statement of fact. No one could kill Jesus. No one could take His life from Him. Jesus because He had no sin couldnt die, lol. FOLYKAZE, do you know how people die with their last breath, hmm? OK, do you know how Jesus died with His last breadth, lol? Fyi, Jesus would have hanging on that cross indefinitely without dying, had it been that He did not give up His life Himself by exhaling His, a last breath. He warned God in advance He was about to do just that, lol, when He at Luke 23:46, said, "Father into your hands I commit my spirit" Jesus literally and practically there and then laid down His life, lol. It is not suicide. Suicide is taking ones life, Jesus laid down His life for all humanity, that's you inclusive FOLYKAZE. Praise God. Alleluia.

FOLYKAZE:
A superman like Jesus could have cursed the armies who nailed him to death like he did to the fig tree. He could have used his army of angels to fight on his behalf or simply disappeared. He didn't do any of this but committed suicide.

Yeah, that's true, He could have, if it were in a Hollywood or Nollywood movie FOLYKAZE, only all that ideas werent in the God script Jesus is acting from, lol

FOLYKAZE:
Firstly, Philippians 2:5-11 instructed that Christians must think and act like Christ Jesus.

C'mon now FOLYKAZE, you're bigger than this. Why trying to pull wool over our eyes here now. Philippians 2:5-11 is talking about humility, saying be humble like Jesus is. It doesnt anywhere support or advocate for suicide. You're scampering all over the bible, out of fear, looking for anything to clutch at, as if to save you from drowning, simply just so to get an upper hand. Na wa ooo, smh.

FOLYKAZE:
Secondly, I am not asking anyone to be a hero by saving someone or sacrificing their life Jesus did. All I am saying is that Christians should do what their lord did, commit suicide ad move to heaven. The purpose here is escaping earthly suffering among others.

When will you get FOLYKAZE that none of the 300 commands of Jesus Christ advises anyone to commit suicide. There 1050 commands in the New Testament, not a single one puts forward a case to commit suicide, they tell you to endure suffering, but dont urge you to take your life

FOLYKAZE:
The death of St. Paul is not found in the bible, but tradition holds that he was beheaded in Rome and thus died as a martyr.

Please note, the difference between suicide and martyrdom is the press cover. Many Islamic view bombers as martyrs but the other side see it as suicide.

Apostle Paul not only thought of committing suicide, he indeed committed one.

Islamic bombers viewed as martyrs took their lives with the own hands, and so committed suicide, Apostle Paul on the other hand did not by his own hands kill himself. He did not commit suicide but was killed by other for his faith and religious belief. Its like chalk and cheese, they arent the same thing FOLYKAZE

FOLYKAZE:
That is your own make up sir.
Eccl 12:8 shows the pointlessness of human activities.

Do you believe Ecclesiastes 12:8? Do you believe that life is pointless and/or meaningless, hmm?

FOLYKAZE:
Can you show us verse that states there is a reward for enduring pains n earth?

Of course, I easily can but what good will it do if I should, if not only waste the verses on you, but just to make the effort, here are a few for you to fill your boots up with:"But you must keep control of yourself in all circumstances; endure suffering, do the work of a preacher of the Good News, and perform your whole duty as a servant of God."
- 2 Timothy 4:5

"As a good soldier of Christ Jesus you must endure your share of suffering."
- 2 Timothy 2:3

and here FOLYKAZE follows more with talk of blessing and/or reward lol, the likes of 1 Peter 5:10, 1 Peter 2:20, 2 Corinthians 1:7, Matthew 5:11, Matthew 19:29, Romans 8:17, Acts 5:41 etcetera

FOLYKAZE:
You see bro, I am not Christian and wouldn't want to commit suicide because I don't believe there is a place with big mansion, transparent cities and gold paved street anywhere. That is entirely a religious people thing.

FOLYKAZE, we've now almost countless time being up this garden path. Who gold paved street anywhere epp? Heaven is a honeymoon journey for crying out loud. Everyone is coming back down to earth.

FOLYKAZE:
Hey, suicide isn't a thing of Christianity only. It is present in Islam, Judaism, Buddhism, Hinduism, Jainism, Zoroastrism and so many religions out there. At many points, adherent of these faiths have committed suicide and will continue committing suicide.

You've being pulling and trying every trick in your bag, I guess this the time for trying the console one, erhn? Try to butter me up by cheering me suicides in other faith. Sorry to burst your bubble, believers aren't neccesarily encouraged to take their lives

FOLYKAZE:
Many people before the coming of Jesus, during the reign of Jesus and after his reign on earth have committed suicide. Many Christians committed mass suicides. So this is nothing new.

Those are cults, fanatics, extremists, crackpots etcetera and you know that

FOLYKAZE:
My issue here is why would a christian who has a faith in heaven, a beautiful place where pains, hunger, suffering, depression and hopelessness do not exist, want to continue ensuring pain and suffering on earth? Doesn't this suggest heaven is not real?

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Here we go again. When is FOLYKAZE going to get it, that
believers aren't in a rush or have a reckless haste, to go to heaven.

TemmyT002:
With so many churches in the same area, you would expect there to be a green indicator to show that there are no thieves, corrupt people, rapists, conmen, prostitutes and all other dregs of humanity in the area. Instead, the area is redder than a Mord Sith’s attire.

Within Jesus' circle, they was a thief, surrounding Jesus, following Jesus were all manner of dregs of humanity. People dont usually live in the community they go to attend church. They usually commute and/or travels miles to get there. After service they return home, so means the thieves, corrupt people, rapists, conmen, prostitutes and all other dregs of humanity have the area to themselves. This whole thing has nothing to do with churches and Simcity, but simply just is a case of, an absence of proper and/or working urban planning and development, lack of political will that produces desired outcomes and lack of the fear of God

TemmyT002:
This means churches, particularly the Christians are doing something very wrong. With so many churches in a small town or area, that area is supposed to be known as a safe place with lots of good people.

RCCG has what it calls Redemption Camp. It as of 2017 has the 5,000 private homes on site, 500 of them built by the church’s construction company. The site of course, has roads, refuse collection and disposal service, police, supermarkets, banks, a fun fair, and post office. There is no reported crime there, so RCCG in this regards, must have done something right and not wrong. I think Winner Chapel has something similar at Canaanland, where it has several residential houses for over 2,000 church employees and serving as guesthouses.

TemmyT002:
This means Christians and the numerous denominations of churches in Nigeria are not following the rules of our Lord Jesus Christ. We all have a long way to go. We are not preaching the gospel like we should. We are not touching lives positively like we should. In general, we are disappointing Jesus and God.

God is helping. Everyone shines, given the right lighting

TemmyT002:
We need to change. Things can’t remain like this. Someone once said, “We can make this earth a paradise. It all has to do with our actions and characters.”

We do believe, but we need help to overcome our unbelief in order to have the change!

TemmyT002:
Christians, what are we doing wrong? Are we not following the commandments of God? Are we not following the teachings of Jesus? Don’t we know that people now read us instead of reading the Bible? Don’t we know that our choir members are becoming hip-hop singers, that our fellow Christians are becoming Antichrists and AntiGod, in the form of atheists?

Why discriminate against hip-hop singers. Hip-hop singers bring glory to God. Case in point, Kanye West.

Antichrists, antiGod and atheists, never in the first place cut the mustard. They were pretending and/or were just going with the flow, biding their time when to show their true colors

TemmyT002:
We need to tighten our belts! We need to stop discrimination and change our strategies. We need to take action. The devil is getting our people; we need to fight him. Pastors need to postpone prosperity sermons indefinitely and begin redemption sermons. There is no more time.

Word.

See as my guy take stand humble and bow bend reach like as if a schoolboy, lol. Bayelsa used to be petra1's backwater before he got transferred, lol