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solite3:
Question: "What does it mean that Jesus is God's only begotten son?"

Answer: The phrase “only begotten Son” occurs in John 3:16, which reads in the King James Version as, "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life." The phrase "only begotten" translates the Greek word monogenes. This word is variously translated into English as "only," "one and only," and "only begotten."

It's this last phrase ("only begotten" used in the KJV, NASB and the NKJV) that causes problems. False teachers have latched onto this phrase to try to prove their false teaching that Jesus Christ isn't God; i.e., that Jesus isn't equal in essence to God as the Second Person of the Trinity. They see the word "begotten" and say that Jesus is a created being because only someone who had a beginning in time can be "begotten." What this fails to note is that "begotten" is an English translation of a Greek word. As such, we have to look at the original meaning of the Greek word, not transfer English meanings into the text.

So what does monogenes mean? According to the Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament and Other Early Christian Literature (BAGD, 3rd Edition), monogenes has two primary definitions. The first definition is "pertaining to being the only one of its kind within a specific relationship." This is its meaning in Hebrews 11:17 when the writer refers to Isaac as Abraham's "only begotten son" (KJV). Abraham had more than one son, but Isaac was the only son he had by Sarah and the only son of the covenant. Therefore, it is the uniqueness of Isaac among the other sons that allows for the use of monogenes in that context.

The second definition is "pertaining to being the only one of its kind or class, unique in kind." This is the meaning that is implied in John 3:16 (see also John 1:14, 18; 3:18; 1 John 4:9). John was primarily concerned with demonstrating that Jesus is the Son of God (John 20:31), and he uses monogenes to highlight Jesus as uniquely God's Son—sharing the same divine nature as God—as opposed to believers who are God's sons and daughters by adoption (Ephesians 1:5). Jesus is God’s “one and only” Son.

The bottom line is that terms such as "Father" and "Son," descriptive of God and Jesus, are human terms that help us understand the relationship between the different Persons of the Trinity. If you can understand the relationship between a human father and a human son, then you can understand, in part, the relationship between the First and Second Persons of the Trinity. The analogy breaks down if you try to take it too far and teach, as some pseudo-Christian cults (such as the Jehovah’s Witnesses), that Jesus was literally "begotten" as in “produced” or “created” by God the Father.

MuttleyLaff:
I have no need nor desire to judge you. I've earlier on, agreed with you that every human being, in their own rights, are unique. Their uniqueness is not on the same par as the uniqueness of Jesus Christ is, especially in regards of the term "begotten," as in,"monogenes" using the original Greek word. "Ko ma dafun" fake knowledge and false representation

I have no qualms with you being buda the child of Basorun, but far from it, your claim that MuttleyLaff is unique, one of a kind, the "begotten Son of God"

The word "begotten" as in, the Greek word "monogenes", is used for and used for only one person ever and that is Jesus Christ. Biko, jor.

MuttleyLaff:
I have shined my eyes. I always shine my eyes. Even when crying, pesin still dey see road nau.

budaatum when you look in a mirror, the face you see and that beholds you is a unique representation face of you. Same thing, when MuttleLaff, looks in a mirror, the face MuttleyLff sees and that beholds MuttleyLaff is a unique representation MuttleyLaff's face.

budaatum, you are conflating "monogenes" with "gennao." Jesus is "monogenes", budaatum, MuttleyLaff and any other human beings are "gennao"

Everywhere you search in the Bible budaatum, you will find that it is only Jesus Christ who is referrred to as "begotten" or "monogenes" of God and no other person but Him alone. Give it a rest guv'nor, biko, jor

The word "begotten son" carries the meaning of being the only one of its kind and someone unlike anyone or anything else

The circumstances surrounding the birth of Isaac is unique, his mum Sarah not only barren but also has well gone past menopause (i.e. Genesis 11:29 and Genesis 18:11) and his Dad Abraham, has become impotent (i.e. Romans 4:25) yet against all odds, they still managed to give birth to Isaac, the child of promise, this is a birth only one of its kind and a child born this way unlike any other child.

Jesus is another that the circumstances surrounding His birth is unique too, but unlike Isaac being the begotten son of Abraham, Jesus is God's begotten Son. The births of Isaac and Jesus are miraculous births, brought about through the working of the Holy Spirit.

As there is no other birth of a child for Abraham, brought about in an unique circumstance like Isaac's, so is there no other birth of a Son, for God, realised in the unique and similar circumstance as that of Jesus'. Nobody, no other human being, can claim to be a begotten son of God, the same way God says Jesus is His begotten Son. Jesus Christ is the only one, born in the manner He was born (i.e. the overshadow falling of the Holy Spirit on His mother Mary and without the carnal coitus knowlege of any man) and so why Jesus is God's only begotten Son.

solite3:
Question: "Who is Jesus Christ?"

Answer: Unlike the question “Does God exist?” very few people question whether Jesus Christ existed. It is generally accepted that Jesus was truly a man who walked on the earth in Israel 2000 years ago. The debate begins when the subject of Jesus' full identity is discussed. Almost every major religion teaches that Jesus was a prophet or a good teacher or a godly man. The problem is that the Bible tells us that Jesus was infinitely more than a prophet, a good teacher, or a godly man.



C.S. Lewis in his book Mere Christianity writes the following: “I am trying here to prevent anyone from saying the really foolish thing that people often say about Him [Jesus Christ]: 'I'm ready to accept Jesus as a great moral teacher, but I don't accept his claim to be God.' That is the one thing we must not say. A man who was merely a man and said the sort of things Jesus said would not be a great moral teacher. He would either be a lunatic—on a level with a man who says he is a poached egg—or else he would be the Devil of hell. You must make your choice. Either this man was, and is, the Son of God, or else a madman or something worse. You can shut him up for fool, you can spit at him and kill him as a demon; or you can fall at his feet and call him Lord and God. But let us not come up with any patronizing nonsense about his being a great human teacher. He has not left that option open to us. He did not intend to.”

So, who did Jesus claim to be? Who does the Bible say He is? First, let's look at Jesus’ words in John 10:30, “I and the Father are one.” At first glance, this might not seem to be a claim to be God. However, look at the Jews’ reaction to His statement, “‘We are not stoning you for any of these,’ replied the Jews, ‘but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God’” (John 10:33). The Jews understood Jesus’ statement as a claim to be God. In the following verses, Jesus never corrects the Jews by saying, “I did not claim to be God.” That indicates Jesus was truly saying He was God by declaring, “I and the Father are one” (John 10:30). John 8:58 is another example: “‘I tell you the truth,’ Jesus answered, ‘before Abraham was born, I am!’” Again, in response, the Jews took up stones in an attempt to stone Jesus (John 8:59). Jesus’ announcing His identity as “I am” is a direct application of the Old Testament name for God (Exodus 3:14). Why would the Jews again want to stone Jesus if He had not said something they believed to be blasphemous, namely, a claim to be God?

John 1:1 says “the Word was God.” John 1:14 says “the Word became flesh.” This clearly indicates that Jesus is God in the flesh. Thomas the disciple declared to Jesus, “My Lord and my God” (John 20:28). Jesus does not correct him. The apostle Paul describes Him as, “…our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ” (Titus 2:13). The apostle Peter says the same, “…our God and Savior Jesus Christ” (2 Peter 1:1). God the Father is witness of Jesus’ full identity as well, “But about the Son he says, ‘Your throne, O God, will last forever and ever, and righteousness will be the scepter of your kingdom.’” Old Testament prophecies of Christ announce His deity, “For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace” (Isaiah 9:6).

C.S. Lewis in his book Mere Christianity writes the following: “I am trying here to prevent anyone from saying the really foolish thing that people often say about Him [Jesus Christ]: 'I'm ready to accept Jesus as a great moral teacher, but I don't accept his claim to be God.' That is the one thing we must not say. A man who was merely a man and said the sort of things Jesus said would not be a great moral teacher. He would either be a lunatic—on a level with a man who says he is a poached egg—or else he would be the Devil of hell. You must make your choice. Either this man was, and is, the Son of God, or else a madman or something worse. You can shut him up for fool, you can spit at him and kill him as a demon; or you can fall at his feet and call him Lord and God. But let us not come up with any patronizing nonsense about his being a great human teacher. He has not left that option open to us. He did not intend to.”

So, who did Jesus claim to be? Who does the Bible say He is? First, let's look at Jesus’ words in John 10:30, “I and the Father are one.” At first glance, this might not seem to be a claim to be God. However, look at the Jews’ reaction to His statement, “‘We are not stoning you for any of these,’ replied the Jews, ‘but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God’” (John 10:33). The Jews understood Jesus’ statement as a claim to be God. In the following verses, Jesus never corrects the Jews by saying, “I did not claim to be God.” That indicates Jesus was truly saying He was God by declaring, “I and the Father are one” (John 10:30). John 8:58 is another example: “‘I tell you the truth,’ Jesus answered, ‘before Abraham was born, I am!’” Again, in response, the Jews took up stones in an attempt to stone Jesus (John 8:59). Jesus’ announcing His identity as “I am” is a direct application of the Old Testament name for God (Exodus 3:14). Why would the Jews again want to stone Jesus if He had not said something they believed to be blasphemous, namely, a claim to be God?

John 1:1 says “the Word was God.” John 1:14 says “the Word became flesh.” This clearly indicates that Jesus is God in the flesh. Thomas the disciple declared to Jesus, “My Lord and my God” (John 20:28). Jesus does not correct him. The apostle Paul describes Him as, “…our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ” (Titus 2:13). The apostle Peter says the same, “…our God and Savior Jesus Christ” (2 Peter 1:1). God the Father is witness of Jesus’ full identity as well, “But about the Son he says, ‘Your throne, O God, will last forever and ever, and righteousness will be the scepter of your kingdom.’” Old Testament prophecies of Christ announce His deity, “For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace” (Isaiah 9:6).

So, as C.S. Lewis argued, believing Jesus to be only a good teacher is not an option. Jesus clearly and undeniably claimed to be God. If He is not God, then He is a liar, and therefore not a prophet, good teacher, or godly man. In attempts to explain away the words of Jesus, modern “scholars” claim the “true historical Jesus” did not say many of the things the Bible attributes to Him. Who are we to argue with God’s Word concerning what Jesus did or did not say? How can a “scholar” two thousand years removed from Jesus have better insight into what Jesus did or did not say than those who lived with, served with, and were taught by Jesus Himself (John 14:26)?

Why is the question over Jesus’ true identity so important? Why does it matter whether or not Jesus is God? The most important reason that Jesus has to be God is that if He is not God, His death would not have been sufficient to pay the penalty for the sins of the whole world (1 John 2:2). Only God could pay such an infinite penalty (Romans 5:8; 2 Corinthians 5:21). Jesus had to be God so that He could pay our debt. Jesus had to be man so He could die. Salvation is available only through faith in Jesus Christ. Jesus’ deity is why He is the only way of salvation. Jesus’ deity is why He proclaimed, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me” (John 14:6)

Jesus Christ, is the embodiment of the incorporeal God, in human flesh

peteruuu:
Sir pls, what's your point?

Nwanne, dear Sir, no cause for alarm, as you've probably noticed I liked your comments twice, and there have only provided the meaning and/or definitions of research and search because you typed "we just need to "search the scriptures" Not to "research"

I personally do carry out successful searches and researches on biblical issues of interest and if permitted can swear by both methods to be good and useful

Michellekabod2:
Muttleylaff, modified!

Thank you. You have no idea, I even might the only one who knows, that, my respect for you has gone up a notch

Michellekabod2:
So "fornication" may have meant something else thousands of years back and thus people should not call sex between two unmarried adults as fornication and a single since the word may have depicted something else.
mor0ns like Anäs09, sólite3, Nlórubebe can't fathom this...

[quote author=Anäs09 post=81828596]Prostitutes are not worth my response and this is last honour I give to you.[/quote]

Michellekabod2:
What is this animal saying? Was just sighting an example and you have concluded am a harlott
If we both stand side by side on a main road looking for a customer, who Will they pick between you and I?
Just look at this hag? that has been used and dumped like newspaper used to wrap roasted corn?
Look at vulture running her mouth.....carry those slabs of meat u call body and ffuck off....
Because jesusjnr refused your advances you got angry at him and trolled him

C'mon now Michellekabod2, lets be reasonable here, but you called Anäs09 along with others a móron first, and that's before she used the word prostitute, at which after, you then referred her to being an animal. You actually went to great length to make sure the platform didnt change "móron" to slowpoke, so seeing to the intended damage being done for you. On your rebound, you then laid on her with excessive force and harassment.

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peteruuu:
It would have been better if you addressed this issue in a more polite manner sis.

Don't be deceived by what modern theologians have been preaching and teaching.
Praying in the Spirit IS NOT the same as praying in tongues!.

In all honesty, there's nothing like praying or singing in the tongues in the Holy Bible.

That you're getting "positive results" after your "praying in tongues" don't negate it that it's not biblical.

Don't forget the Bible said the devil can come as an Angel of light.

He carted away two-thirds of angels in Heaven.
And he's still doing so to te Christendom today.

I used to be someone like you UNTIL I got proper and full teachings (everything in the Bible) not some books wrote by any "spiritual man or woman" by them having "personal encounter from God or as the holy spirit revealed it to them" as they usually claim.

Everything we need from here to Glory is in the Bible.
We just need to "search the scriptures"
Not to "research"

Now, you can't search what you already know.
You search what you don't know.
That's just it sis.

I'm a believer of Jesus Christ, and I'm so sure you'll claim such too! And praise God for you & I.

If you don't mind, we can discuss further on it through mails.

But, if you don't want us to further the discussion, I'll understand

May His coming gladen pur hearts.

Shalom to your soul!.

research:
The systematic investigation into and study of materials and sources in order to establish facts and reach new conclusions.
"as a noun; the group carries out research in geochemistry or as a verb; she has spent the last five years researching her people's history"

search:
Try to find something by looking or otherwise seeking carefully and thoroughly.
"I searched among the rocks, but there was nothing"

11thGoldTREE:
My testimony is that God has not done anything for me this year... This year has been very tough for me. A year filled with too much regret and disappointments

But I still put my trust and hope in him. He is my sky and my earth. And I believe in his son, Christ

... 2 shared and 20 posters, as of now, liked this comment smh, face palm. Jesus wept

Abcruz:
Are you aware that some persons in the hospital pay more than 20k for the oxygen you breath in freely?

Are you aware that some people cannot eat food with their mouth?

Are you aware that some persons excrete only through surgical operation?

Appreciation to God is an application for more of his wonders. Learn to be grateful!

"Self-pity is a dead-end road. Self-pity is one of our worst enemies and if we yield to it, it immobilises and you'll never be able do anything good in this beautiful and blessed world.

Please do not make the mistake of narrating your testimonies here to impress. Why not go into your closet and privately give thanks to God"
- Re: Share Your Testimonies. See mine. Photo by MuttleyLaff: 7:18pm on 1 Sept 2019

Anas09:
When there's a will there's a way. With a Vision comes the Provisions. He provides.

Once, I needed help so bad, I went to sleep with that burden. I dreamed asking an old friend for financial assistance. He gave me much more than I asked. I was so happy because it wld meet my need and more. As I was rejoicing, I heard a gentle but stern voice behind me saying 'Never Beg to Do My Work, I can Provide for Myself'. Ha!
Although that voice was gentle, but it startled me so badly when i woke up.
So I have learned to depend solely on His divine Providence.

He is Jehovah Jireh, the Lord who provides.

butterfly777:
Hummmnn. Lesson for ministers of the gospel. Especially those who systemically beg, or even take bank loans.

It is what biblically speaking, is called, adding and/or offering "strange fire".

Except for God categorically asks you to do something, dont go on a limp trying to assist or help God along. Case in points, Abraham, Sarah and the maidservant Hagar, Nadab and Abihu, the sons of Aaron etcetera

How would you know God is telling you to do something and it isnt your carnal mind or flesh craving?. Look at Elijah for example, God specifically told him about the widow at Zarephath and about going there to be fed. Elijah didnt on his own whim decide to visit the woman

jesusjnr:
Lol! The Nairaland Jezebel and Homosexualist seems to be having some serious chemistry of late

jesusjnr, you're a bonafide, certified, confirmed, confused.com barefaced shameless liar, except if you're genuinely ignorant of the meaning and/or definition of the word, homosexualist and that you dont know she is my "padi"

jesusjnr:
Speaks volumes!!!

jesusjnr/Apostle EnthronedbyGod MIA, you "dont know warris is going", you "eventuarry" will, when the volume gets turned up gradually to max and loudly blaring on you

jesusjnr:
So as not to get it twisted, I made this comment above about us not being doomed because of the devices of the devil.

And I actually made it out of compulsion because I was not comfortable with the conversation which I responded to ending on that particular note, because I thought it was not true that we are doomed because of the devices of the devil.

But I had to wait for over a day to address that erroneous idea since It was actually addressed to the Op and not me. So it was after he left it hanging and didn't correct it, that I did what I thought was appropriate.

And the bolded of that quote clearly shows my thoughts concerning the matter, as have several of my thoughts here which are usually hinged on obedience particularly of Jesus the Word of God which was in the beginning.
Yet I was the one at the receiving end of the most attacks from Anas09, who now claims to be concerned about the Word of God, when she first came here, which led to my leaving at the time when others joined her because of the respect I had for the thread.

Now the same anas09 who launched an attack on me that was emphasizing (the obedience of) the Word of God arguably more than anyone else on this thread, is now vehemently attacking the Op with the excuse of him focusing more on Satan more than the Word of God. So who's really fooling who?

To be continued.

Anas09:
What have you now said? From the begin of this thread I told EnthronedbyGod to dwell more on the Word and less of satan. Go back and read.

I am a worded believer, not a satan did this and demons did that.

It always has to be about the navel gazing narcissist jesusjnr/Apostle EnthronedbyGod MIA or demons getting the attention and nothing more else. If they arent talking about being attacked, then it's about talking of village people/witches/demons/spiritual husbands or wives attacking others

jesusjnr:
[s]Lol! Because you're already exposing your witchcraft by yourself. And only the spiritually blind wouldn't see it.[/s]

[s]Anas09 the nairaland Jezebel you can keep fashioning weapons against God's prophets in Nairaland, but no weapons fashioned against us shall prosper[/s].

There are lots of fools, like yours truly about, but fyi jesusjnr, you're one of the bonafide, certified, confirmed, confused.com greatest and biggest fools, I've ever come across among us all.

I dont know who your wife is jesusjnr, who is influencing you, but do know you are of the spirit of King Ahab, a covetous increasingly evil king in Israel's history, who abused his responsibility and led God’s people right into idolatry, leading others into idolatory, as in for example, like you and Apostle EnthronedbyGod MIA breaking the first and second commandment of God, as it is only a delusional person, like yourself, Apostle EnthronedbyGod MIA and bunch of gullible others, who dont know they are delusional, to the extent of believing they have seen the face of Jesus Christ, to the extent of even, putting an image, physical feature and/or picture to Jesus' face.

From 1st and 2nd part of the Ten Commandments, it says:
1/ You shall not have no other gods before me (i.e. Exodus 20:3)
2/ ⁴You shall not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
⁵Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; (i.e. Exodus 20:4-5)

God emphatically, with the 1st and 2nd commandment, is saying, not to have a false knowledge of Him. God is particular about people not making a false representation of Him, God. God doesnt want human beings to advance a perverted intelligence about Him, God or what the Bible does not say how God is and how God looks like. In fact, both the 1st and 2nd commandment is emphasising not to have and not to paint a false picture about God and even not to conjure up a physical look appearance of God, whether on earth or in heaven etcetera.

The disciple whom Jesus love, a proper and genuine Apostle, Apostle John, unlike the fake arse self-styled Apostle EnthronedbyGod MIA, that he addresses himself as, didnt see Jesus' face, all Apostle John said he saw, was that Jesus' face was radiating with light, which makes very good sense, when you begin to think of all this, but your jesusjnr/Apostle EnthronedbyGod MIA and the bunch of gullible others carnal minds, as in, you, your alter-ego jesusjnr and lackeys' carnal minds dont compute this nor comprehend any of it.

Prophet Ezekiel, in Ezekiel 3:23, saw the glory of God but not God’s face. The Jesus, the disciple whom Jesus love, a proper and genuine Apostle, Apostle John, when he saw Jesus, the Jesus he saw did not in any way look like the Jesus the Apostle John, knew when He was on earth. Jesus did not look anything like nor close to the Jesus, Apostle John wined and with for almost three and a half years, but here we are, having self-styled Apostle EnthronedbyGod MIA/jesusjnr, saying he vividly saw Jesus' face and having the cheek and bad manners to be describing Jesus' "facial features" and obviously having a fake knowledge from the pit of hell for making a false misrepresentation, painting a wrong picture and misleading himself and others along, when the Apostle John said Jesus' face was like the sun shining in all its brilliance, note that Apostle John never described any sort of physical face feature, skintone etcetera, except for the metaphorical mention of hair being white like white wool and like snow, eyes were like a flame of fire and feet being burnished bronze

Except you repent, you jesusjnr suddenly will be swiftly and justly judged by God, then you'll know God's weapons fashioned against stiffnecked rebels, the likes of you, prospers

butterfly777:
The media space is bombarded with bad contents every day. If it is not bad news, it may be about a braless somebody from Jupiter or whatever who is twerking about. As if good things are not happening.

This thread is to give glory to God for His goodness and also help other people's faith.

My Testimony.
Yesterday evening, I discovered that I was experiencing malaria symptoms. I had started having the sick feeling since about three 3 day before, but I thought it might be due to the changing weather, that it would go. But yesterday, the feeling had escalated and it became clear that it was malaria.

So what did I do? I just did the needful. Since I know that Jesus Christ has already taken all my sicknesses and diseases along when He took my sins ( Isaiah 53:3-5, Matthew 8:17, I Peter 2:24), and I also know how to get things from God, I just applied these scriptures. Sickness is too small when you follow the divine formular �.

I just commanded that every symtom of malaria, Leave my body in Jesus name. Of course it left! Praise God!
Now I am feeling well again. This is how I have been dealing with sickness and I have stayed out of sickness for about a year now. When symptoms come knocking on my body, I just command them to go away in Jesus name. God never fails�.

Before now, I used to be very sickly. Hardly would a month pass that I would not fall sick. But following the word of God, I have been enjoying good health.

Let me just briefly explain the simple concept so that you can also apply it for yourself. You don't need to continue in sickness when God has provided help. 'My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge'.

This is it:
1. Jesus Christ took our sicknesses and diseases also when He took our sicknesses. Since He has taken it, you and I should not suffer it anymore. ( Isaiah 53:4-5, Matthew 8:17, 2 Peter 2:24)

2. We should claim this anytime we need it by commanding the sickness, or asking God to heal us, or confessing our healing. Once we make those utterances, we should believe it is done immediately (Mark 11:23-24). The reason why many Christians who pray for healing and other things don't get it is because we want to wait for it to happen before we believe that God has done it.

What the Bible says is that immediately we say it, we should believe that it is done, and we will see it done. Believe first, before you can see it. Got it? If you believe you are healed, start doing what healed people do. Heal people don't lay on sick bed. Healed people don't complain about pain. Healed people don't sit on wheel chair. Get up and start acting well, because you are well.

That's the divine formular. Say it. Believe it is done. Act it line with your faith. Then it manifests. I have been enjoying this. This is why I am sharing it because I know many people are in sickness, yet they pray and pray, no healing. It's because they re not following the God given steps for receiving as I outlined above.

Do it and enjoy your God given healing.

I know this my testimony is very small when compared with some people's own. Pls come and Share your testimony. Many people need it for their faith and to glorify God.

Possessedchild:
Im yet to get comfy wif touching stories like this. I refused to cry after reading the surgery...section. No death jokes and scary shits again please. The LORD is your strength verily in the present time of trouble.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTYohD_gzqI


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ur8_IUldv-I


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMcIWOcJClE

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https://www.instagram.com/p/B14FCEUHjlq/

"But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen.
Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you."
- Matthew 6:6

Hmm, if I should talk, start to continue to type about my "tests ti moni", this post no go end ooo and you no go fit read am to the end finish. Right from being a toddler, I am a walking lifetime "tests ti moni" person, but compared to others, my "tests ti moni" are miniscule, as in, meaning "they are very, very tiny" when compared with some other people's, like for example, the three in the above YouTube clips and the talented singing man in the above Instagram clip. They're loads of other people in similar and varied other tests they've battled, overcomed and become somehow, independent of.

Self-pity is a dead-end road. Self-pity is one of our worst enemies and if we yield to it, it immobilises and you'll never be able do anything good in this beautiful and blessed world.

Please do not make the mistake of narrating your testimonies here to impress. Why not go into your closet and privately give thanks to God

Anas09:
Wow what?

Trojan horse gift things.
Anas09, just beware of strange bearing "wow" complimentary gifts, I wouldnt even trust them as far as I can throw them

Eaglefine:
Glory be to God.
HE has added another year to my age.

Father Lord, I will praise you forever and testify to your faithfulness. Thank you for bringing me this far.

Happy birthday to Me, De-Eagles.

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Happy Birthday Eaglefine!
I pray you have a phenomenal day. I also pray you henceforth get all your bread and all the crumbs too.
In fact, 3 John 1:2, "Beloved, I pray you, to prosper concerning all things and to be in good health, just as your soul prospers."

madprophet:
All is well
I would not comment on this again.
But I crave your indulgence go and listen to ministry of deliverance part 1 to 4 by Apostle Selman.

Make I no go far...

"Now if any of you lacks wisdom, he should ask God, who gives generously to all without finding fault, and it will be given to him."
- James 1:5

"Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you."
- Matthew 7:7

"For the LORD gives wisdom; from His mouth come knowledge and understanding."
- Proverbs 2:6

Why go listen to ministry of deliverance part 1 to 4 by Apostle Selman? Is Apostle Selman a two-headed human being, hmm? Thats how you guys create demi-gods and whatnot.
Why not recommend bonnylight003 to God, instead of to Apostle Selman, erhn?
madprophet, wtf, where's the faith

bonnylight003:
God's grace is sufficient for us all..he's mercy endureth for ever...

Will instead seek for Gods direction on things concerning deliverance..am much interested making heaven and winning souls...

I'm not perfect I make mistakes atimes..but his grace is always there for me..admitting and asking for forgiveness..works alot for me.

Thanks
More grace.

Thanks ojaare. Somebori please give this my guy an "oti sẹwọn" chilled cold bottle of orijin and a truckload of kolanuts because hin head dey there still correct correct.

Anas09:
What is the truth which got exposed?

The truth that you give them, daymares, nightmares and sleepless nights

jesusjnr:
Bro trust me. There are lots of fools following this thread.
[s]For how can they possibly not see the ulterior motive of this Nairaland Jezebel?[/s]

From day one, there are lots of fools, like yours truly, keeping abreast of this thread, but fyi jesusjnr, you're one of the greatest and biggest fools, I've ever come across among us all. It was another greater and bigger fool that even liked your foul smelling nauseating post

I dont know who your wife is, who is influencing you, but do know you are of the spirit of King Ahab, a covetous increasingly evil king in Israel's history, who abused his responsibility and led God’s people right into idolatry, leading others into idolatory, as in for example, like you and Apostle EnthronedbyGod MIA breaking the first and second commandment of God, as it is only a delusional person, like yourself, Apostle EnthronedbyGod MIA and bunch of gullible others, who dont know they are delusional, to the extent of believing they have seen the face of Jesus Christ, to the extent of even, putting an image, physical feature and/or picture to Jesus' face.

From 1st and 2nd part of the Ten Commandments, it says:
1/ You shall not have no other gods before me (i.e. Exodus 20:3)
2/ ⁴You shall not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
⁵Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; (i.e. Exodus 20:4-5)

God emphatically, with the 1st and 2nd commandment, is saying, not to have a false knowledge of Him. God is particular about people not making a false representation of Him, God. God doesnt want human beings to advance a perverted intelligence about Him, God or what the Bible does not say how God is and how God looks like. In fact, both the 1st and 2nd commandment is emphasising not to have and not to paint a false picture about God and even not to conjure up a physical look appearance of God, whether on earth or in heaven etcetera.

The disciple whom Jesus love, a proper and genuine Apostle, Apostle John, unlike the fake arse self-styled Apostle EnthronedbyGod MIA, that he addresses himself as, didnt see Jesus' face, all Apostle John said he saw, was that Jesus' face was radiating with light, which makes very good sense, when you begin to think of all this, but your jesusjnr/Apostle EnthronedbyGod MIA and the bunch of gullible others carnal minds, as in, you, your alter-ego jesusjnr and lackeys' carnal minds dont compute this nor comprehend any of it.

Prophet Ezekiel, in Ezekiel 3:23, saw the glory of God but not God’s face. The Jesus, the disciple whom Jesus love, a proper and genuine Apostle, Apostle John, when he saw Jesus, the Jesus he saw did not in any way look like the Jesus the Apostle John, knew when He was on earth. Jesus did not look anything like nor close to the Jesus, Apostle John wined and with for almost three and a half years, but here we are, having self-styled Apostle EnthronedbyGod MIA/jesusjnr, saying he vividly saw Jesus' face and having the cheek and bad manners to be describing Jesus' "facial features" and obviously having a fake knowledge from the pit of hell for making a false misrepresentation, painting a wrong picture and misleading himself and others along, when the Apostle John said Jesus' face was like the sun shining in all its brilliance, note that Apostle John never described any sort of physical face feature, skintone etcetera, except for the metaphorical mention of hair being white like white wool and like snow, eyes were like a flame of fire and feet being burnished bronze

Except you repent, you suddenly will be swiftly and justly judged by God.

jesusjnr:
Anyone who looks at the bolded and doesn't see a glaring lie is blind.
The truth about anas09 being exposed.

"Na Wao.
A whole lot is going on here. So, Jesusjnr saw God face to face to even remember how He looks.

Jesusjnr. Which Jesus did you see? The Egregore Jesus or The Divine Human One? The King of all Creations, the King of Heaven and the Lord of the Earth, Which one? lolzzzzzzzzzz.

Without a doubt, I believe that wld he an Egregore Jesus, because if The Lord Jesus can manifest to Jesusjnr then, He can comfortably manifest to a sorcerer.
Jesusjnr manifests and operates the fruits of Evil Spirit (PRIDE), which Sorcerers are influenced by.

And, bro EnthronedbyGod, Jesusjnr dey use you dey shine, step carefully by him or both of you wld be seen as charlatans."
- Religion / Re: Cultism, The Spiritual Consequences And Deliverance Through Christ by Anas09: 4:11pm On Aug 24

"Anas09, "you don't know warris going on. Eventuarry you will know" As it happens, people already know about them two, even as a matter of fact, already, people are PM contacting me and enquiring about those two. The thing is jesusjnr and EnthronedbyGod are cut from the same cloth and are joined at the hip."
- Religion / Re: Cultism, The Spiritual Consequences And Deliverance Through Christ by MuttleyLaff: 7:01pm On Aug 24

This is more correctly and actually about the truth being exposed on jesusjnr and Apostle EnthronedbyGod MIA, who are cut from the same cloth and are joined at the hip

Anas09:
Now you want to divert to something else.

I told him to be careful how he paddied with Jesusjnr because Jj is a charlatan looking for credibility, at the time I didn't know the Ops agenda.

Again, be sincere and stop being dishonest. Say what you read me saying there. I told him to expose everything school cultism was about.

The 'SayNọtoCultism' guy exposed everything to a point people threatened him.

If the Op said he was going to reveal the spiritual angle of school cultism then why say he would not go into certain things?

Find, when he exposed the demons behind what the school cults worship, he would have gone on to tell people who are already stuck how to escape. But did he do that?

So many who followed him here for that purpose left when they couldn't get any heard way.

If he wanted to really help people, shouldn't he have told them how to escape from what they have entangled themselves in? Instead he was going deeper and deeper into satan. What the hell? How does that help?

"Desire for fame, pats on the back and adulation were the driving force behind opening and typing this satanic knowledge thread"
- Re: Cultism, The Spiritual Consequences And Deliverance Through Christ by MuttleyLaff: 5:24am on 01 Sept 2019

Anas09, the fame, pats on the back, receiving accolades and adulation are more important to the Apostle EnthronedbyGod MIA than him ever outlining remedies with gospel truth or even exposing practices that goes down in religious/christian set-up that effectively borders on cultism

""Rhetorics. Sophistry and empty talk that is intended to impress with. You can fool all the people some of the time and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time "
- Religion / Re: Cultism, The Spiritual Consequences And Deliverance Through Christ by MuttleyLaff: 11:42am On Aug 26

Apostle EnthronedbyGod you sound surprised, but didnt I say you cant fool all the people all the time, hmm?

You said you wouldnt reply, yet you continually replied, you more than three times replied, no wonder your ignore orders werent taken to, if you're that indisciplined enough to not be able to stick to your words and keep it, why should your lackeys take heed of your advice. Like Oga, like "office messenger"
- Religion / Re: Cultism, The Spiritual Consequences And Deliverance Through Christ by MuttleyLaff: 6:38pm On Aug 28"

I dont understand why when people are banned and they dont learn from why they are banned in the first place, but are still hellbent on using their other moniker(s) to continue with the same actions that caused them being banned and prevented from posting comments.

Just like Apostle EnthornedbyGod and jesusjnr his alterego, they all have alternating moniker IDs they originally opened for their covert and behind-the-scenes activities that they fall back to and then use when banned and having their posting prvileges withdrawn. The multiple monikers thing, that is a case of, like oga Apostle EnthronedbyGod MIA, like "office messenger", just as with the above inverted red commas, unable to stick to ones word

Anas09, fyi, a certain poster is actually on a long ban and with posting privileges withdrawn but still insisting with a second moniker hellbent on engaging you regardless of being banned

bonnylight003:
Some person are making jerk of God's word..
If God wants us to know more of devil he won't talk about JESUS..

The aim of Christianity is to win souls and make heaven..

If you have all this satanic knowledge and miss heaven..what's your gain...or are you going out to preach the gospel by telling them about Satan ..or the gospel of love..

I don't understand Christian this days... Every one dey claim wise..

All this demonic doctrines and all nonesense don't freak... Whether the Bible is 67 is none of my business...
I do my King James version ..under the spirit and if any dark energy comes around he collects..it hot..

We should be careful..some here are stylishly promoting lucifer and glorifying him..
Thread on 78 page..yet encouraging message to win soul for God...no discussion Abt the principle point of Christianity ..yet we hear Satan demon attacks..etc...are you trying to scare potential Christian's that have come to recieve truth?

God forbid...

I see demonic influnceon this thread... This thread doesn't in anyway glorify God..
And it is an insult to good conscience..

It's well?

Jesus loves we all.. Jesus is coming soon..
Devil is the master of deception and distraction.. sleek..and decernlyy cunny...it takes the holy Spirit of God to decern his ways..

Shalom !

MuttleyLaff:
"Ask God to bless anyone who curses you, and pray for everyone who is cruel to you"
- Luke 6:28

"Ask God to bless everyone who mistreats you. Ask him to bless them and not to curse them."
- Romans 12:14

I watched a well known pastor leading his congregation and instigating them to curse the fulani herdsmen and their backers. Everyone stood up and went into an at least 5 minutes long of praying curses mixing it together with praying/speaking in tongues against the assailants and their backers, who hacked to death and killed off one of their pastors travelling along the Abuja - Kaduna axis and I began to wonder whether they arent aware of Luke 6:28 and Romans 12:14 above ni, hmm?

Wtf, as in meaning, where's the faith. Couldnt they, instead of curse, summon and muster some faith and then after, pray for everyone who is cruel to them to have a change of heart etcetera, just as Jesus and the Bible advises, hmmm?

EnthronedbyGod, you too made this blunder, just as this well known pastor did and you should be very concerned, that a thought of curse lurked and/or lurks in your mind. Tell EnthronedbyGod, what do you believe and understand is better, is it thinking of give others a blessing or is it nursing a thought/thinking of giving neighbour a curse, hmm? If one doesnt judge evil or judge what is wrong, evil or what is wrong, will judge one.

Going back 2 or 3 pages, is where you are frightened of your shadow. The ungodly shall be punished according to their own imaginations. They shall come with fear and their own iniquities shall convince them to their face. Sometimes we are scared of our own shadow, and our imaginations get the best of us

Fyi, many ignored what you said, because they knew you're paranoid and not because they think you're joking

You're quite right, you've had no battle(s) with any humans nor any village people, but here you are, trying to subtly instill and/or incite a salutary fear with a subtle psychological threat of curse deception. You are better off, not cursing, stick to it.

Fyi, if you havent noticed, the devil has sat down, going over this thread and is admiring your work. Isn't that a compliment and endorsement, huh. You're are seen as worthy competition. Welldone Mr Demonologist.

Cry yourself a river. Have you read anyone advising anybody to turn away from this thread, hmm? Of course not, and the problem is about you, the writing of this thread, is therapy for you, the thread, is you exorcising your demons. I suppose, you dont know I understand why you type out and write all these dark stuff this way. I know the battle, for you, was not yet over.

I know you say and claim you've seen far, far worse things. Yes, of course, satanic powers are masters of deception, but the moment you come to self and repent, God certainly will see you through and bless you. Amen.

PS: EnthronedbyGod, have you noticed the itching ears "viewers/readers discretion" junkie addicts, need from you, they need their urgent next paranormal exposé fix dose. Hurry up, dont be keeping your customers "daa-daa ni" waiting nau.

tot, is one of the few, that clearly knows "warris" going on, about a thread so-so dedicated to dark paranormal and evil stories. It isnt about fear at all, as we know that God hasnt given us a spirit of fear, but of power and of love, of a sound mind and sound judgement anyway. It's not a case of anyone running the risk of being influenced, but its just that reading about them here, wouldnt necessarily build up, more than their already mentionings in the Bible. This is just sheer self-gratification and as I've earlier said, somebody is having therapy and so exorsing their demons this way.

The Bible doesnt teach demonology nor does it mention any of these devils/demons/foul spirits characters, in seemingly admirable, glamorizing, dignifying and/or glorifying fashion displayed on this thread

Any fool can err, but only a greater fool persists in his/her fault and argues what is obviously/manifestly wrong and unhealthy

MuttleyLaff:
Look at yourself nah, look at you nah, look at your fruits nah sef gangan. Is it not, all about this almost, 65 pages bagful of itching ears stuff, and of you talking exclusively and solely only of demons, demonic paraphilia, Satanic and demonic paraphernalia etcetera, huh? You're unapologetically promoting witchcraft and demonism, cleverly served as entertainment for the faithful itching ears

No one can type a thread of this sort, if not being possessed by some demon that can neither be resisted nor broken free from. Or maybe, from your performance so far, this is because, it is your calling and this is what God has called you to do and disseminate, but notice how you've left out parts about the spiritual consequences of religious/christian cultisms and deliverance from them through Jesus Christ, erhn. Religious/christian cults like, where pastors are telling their congregation to eat grass, drink petrol, commit mass suicide, pastors stepping on and kicking their congregation, pastors carried shoulder high in lifted up in the air chairs, pastors stepping on congregation to enter the church, congregation kneeling, men and women, right from the main road, as pastor enters the church premises, pastors bringing live snakes to church etcetera

If no one is being real with you, I will and I am. I think, I've mentioned that, this isnt personal. I am not attacking you. I dont really have it in for you. I dont hate you. What and all I have for you is love, and please dont doubt that I love you because it is one of the only things, you should be sure of, that I do.

I have called you a greater fool than I am, and that's because by your antecedents, it's true. In a strange and amusing way, I see you as a brother and a friend, but in this matter, I see the truth as a better friend.

Fyi, self-styled "Apostle of Jesus Christ" sir, I know the genesis of the thrill that in the beginning prompted you to start open this thread. Now unlike some, we dont have the need to blow our trumpets, push out chest and be talking about oneself or one's achievements and exploits.

bonnylight003, the eyes are useless when the mind is blind. People often don’t see things as they are, but see them as they are

Desire for fame, pats on the back and adulation were the driving force behind opening and typing this satanic knowledge thread

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LilMissFavvy:
Let me give a little contribution to readers who frequent this section. I think it's best we allow people who open threads to write the threads as the spirit leads them. Truth is, IF ALL OF US SHOULD MENTION AREAS THE OP SHOULD FOCUS ON/AREAS HE SHOULD IGNORE, THEN EACH OF US WILL MENTION DIFFERENT THINGS TILL THE OP WILL BE LEFT WITH NOTHING TO WRITE.

I would be ungrateful if I don't appreciate the thread, though I can recal how the OP was rude to me in his reply to a comment which I made. People here took note, a particular man who left this thread even mentioned it, tho he didn't mention my name, I knew it was me. Anyone who has eyes should go read the few comments I made here, and show me where I erred, yet did i reply the op? I ignored. I swallowed up the many questions I had to ask him.

Many expositions were made on this thread, what we should do is to pick the ones that concern us, and ignore the ones that do not. It is very necessary for Christians to have a good knowledge of how the devil operates. Eg. I have some colleagues who live large/flashy lifestyles. After reading this thread and saw the ''colours of beret, colours of socks, symbols'', etc which the OP mentioned, it then occurred to me that these colleagues could be cultists. This expositions makes me forewarned/forearmed, coupled with knowledge of the word of God. The OP also mentioned praying for a man and calling on hailstones..........I applied the hailstones as prayer weapon and it is helpful, I didn't even know about hailstones as a weapon one can use during prayers.

I don't know how many of us attend churches which are deliverance ministries, my brothers and sisters, some of you would weep if you see the things Christians are passing through. Are we saying these Christians don't know the word? Isn't it funny how the agents of darkness know the in/outs of most Christians, and this same agents are armed with demonic powers, yet they also use the Bible and enjoy some benefits which Christians gain. ''that ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven, for he maketh the sun to rise on the evil and good, and the just/unjust'', wow....our God loves the just/unjust, I typed the above scripture because any least mistake or ignorance can make a Christian become a puppet for the devil to toy with. I was born into an Orthodox Christian background, I can remember that after I began following friends to attend other churches, I got excited getting to witness the displays of gifts of the spirit. On one of such Sundays, I can remember some people lined up for prayers/ deliverance. As I sat waiting for everything to end so that I could go home, I saw a young lady with a terrible hunchback, she also had HIV, she got it through eating in the dream. As I saw her tears came to my eyes., Isn't the devil wicked? She's got hunchback and HIV is added to it. If only this lady was equipped with knowledge about the dangers of eating in the dream. Can eating in the dream be found in the Bible?

The op claimed to have read the Bible over 120times, if he also reads other strange books, then that's his business, since he can handle it. An ordinary Christian who dares to read all sorts of strange books is a joke, why trespass to read book of Enoch, when one isn't done digesting the Bible properly, it's sheer foolery, infact it is only pastors who should read such books.

I believe the thread was aimed at exposing the works of darkness, and may not have not have focused more on preaching, maybe if the op stayed longer, he would have began preaching. My people if you check some threads in this section, it lacks readership because it is a copy/paste of the Bible. Who doesn't own a Bible or who doesn't have a church? In the process of winning more souls ''let us not forget that the previous souls that were won ages ago could be facing attacks or loosing their faith'', a thread like this could be of help. As new OPs are beginning to spring up let's ''sieve'' their narrations and pick only the details we need.

Anas09, I've read your contributions, and I have learnt a lot, indeed am convinced the oil of God is on you, but I think you should not bother so much, the best way to handle a thread like this is how I have explained, it's left for God to judge if OP is right or wrong. As for the ''you don't know warris going on'' comments which I have read repeatedly, hope it's not what am thinking o, hope there is nothing fishy about the OP or this thread......God will help us all.

MuttleyLaff:
Apostle EnthronedbyGod, I'll reserve talking in length about your Satanic offerings, of yeah, what you're doing, does more to hinder the message of the Gospel than help it, and that's how exactly what you're going about doing by your satanic offering(s). You didn't know that or realise that, did you Apostle EnthronedbyGod, though Anas09 was all along trying to hint on it, but you clamped down on her, erhn? Clamped down her with your usual emotional blackmail and psychological manipulation you keep displaying on others that you perceive and see as ruffling your feather or rocking your boat on the thread

[img]https://s3/images/EnthronedbyG-copy.jpg[/img]

The above screenshot grab is where the self styled Apostle EnthronedbyGod RIP admits, on page 32 of that thread, (i.e. the link given below) to getting the inspiration from, to come here, replicate similar, in the Religion forum, so all itching ears crew and Apostle EnthronedbyGod faithfuls already missing the Apostle since after his hasty and hurried midnight clandestine exit, can catch up with the self-styled and unordained Apostle EnthronedbyGod RIP, under another of his numerous monikers, at the below URL link:
My Story As A Cult Member........initiation Phase Included... by saynọtocultism:
https://www.nairaland.com/5207293/story-cult-phase-included


It is lawful to be taught even by an enemy, demonology or whatnot, but at least make it balanced, as I've kept on telling you, there is cultism in the church, there's cultism in the body of Christ, believers are made to eat grass, made to drink gasoline/petrol, used as stepping stones so pastor's feet wont touch the dirty ground, they're abused, misused and left disgusted by religious/christian cult leaders

"Let's watch and see how far you can manage and how much mileage more you can squeeze out of this "calling" of yours"
- Religion / Re: Cultism, The Spiritual Consequences And Deliverance Through Christ by MuttleyLaff: 10:10am On Aug 26

I remember very well, the above red inverted commas quote I made about you Apostle EnthronedbyGod. I just knew you cant keep up the deceptive appearances for much longer, because you have created a false impression that is very difficult to maintain. As you exit, may I say good riddance to bad rubbish and I am very glad to "eventuarry" soon see the back of you and your fakeries coming to an abrupt halting end.

Look at the bright side of life Apostle EnthronedbyGod, you at least have your gamut of other more monikers to fall back on to, for continuing with your unordained paranormal clergy work and also be carrying out your demonology calling with.

Right from the beginning, even before man's fall from grace and glory, God in Genesis 1:28, said "... replenish the earth, and subdue it...". and so God never promised anyone a problem free life. By implication, life is full of problems, everybody has one or more problems than the other, but guess what Apostle EnthronedbyGod, these problems do not come about necessarily because of village people, demons, witches, satanic forces etcetera targeting or attacking people as you've being diagnosing and when holding surgeries on this thread. It is very likely that those aforementioned village people, demons, witches, satanic forces arent even aware of the existence of the people they are being blamed to have hurt, but you having all along on this thread being giving credit and glory to Satan for things Satan has nothing to do with and giving people false hope and false sense of security because they think they are in safe hands with you, but not knowing you're not genuine.

LilMissFavvy, I am the other and second person that liked your comment above, solely because as you can seen from my quote regarding Apostle EnthronedbyGod MIA, it resonates highly with me.

It gladdens my heart to see and know that aside our dear sister Ginalex, you as well, are a beauty and a breath of fresh air too. It's good to have and to behold such interesting characteristics. You are intelligent and beautiful. I'll be mistaking if you're not as beautiful outside, just as you're beautiful in the heart, inside. Good things will pursue after you and force themselves onto you. Amen IJN.

Everyone loves an intelligent woman, a woman of good understanding, a woman that when she speaks, her words are wise and sensible. Make no mistake about it, a virtuous woman, is an asset to the household. Such voice(s) of reason, that opens her mouth with wisdom are few and far in between, are rare. You have the spirit of an Abigail in you. God bless you at all points of your need(s) and answer all your urgent prayers asap. Amen IJN

As for the ''you don't know warris going on'' comments which you've read repeatedly, it's all what you're quizzingly thinking o, as there is no smoke without fire, you're spot on that quite a lot is fishy about the OP and the thread as already spelled out in above quote ......God always helps us all.

Credit goes to Apostle EnthronedbyGod MIA, for having the good sense of not clinging on to and continuing a seemingly mistake, and continuing just for the sake that he has spent a great deal of time, effort and energy in making it

budaatum:
Sorry, but you cannot be trusted to have done sufficient research to ensure you have not unknowingly lied!

Whatever you say budaatum. However you want it.

ThothHermes, never lie to yourself because the most dangerous lies, are ones, you tell yourself. Denial is the worst kind of lie, because its a lie you tell yourself

ThothHermes:
Exactly.

He's a man until proven otherwise.

Trust me please, at least for the sake of you know I can't ever knowingly lie to you. Budaatum is as man as you and I are, if not more than most men are, and that's for having no qualms expressing and identifying with his feminine side, just as much as some of we men usually do.

ThothHermes, if his missus, is the one who wears the trousers in the home, then means budaatum has got a husband on his hands, its just as simple as that. Capisce now?

ThothHermes:

You look like you're scratching your head and gotten more confused than you already were. I am sorry that I didn't keep quiet and now only worsened the matter

jarmy:
For only married couples, please!

budaatum:
Should I get my husband to respond instead?

ThothHermes:
Are you a woman

Or gay

Muttleylaff is Buda female

ThothHermes, because budaatum identifies, acknowledges and expresses his feminine side of him does not make budaatum any less of a man than he already is.

budaatum is a virile non-gay manly man, he is a conscious person and so happens to have no qualms, expressing and being in touch with his feminine side

LoJ:
He insinuated he was female some months ago. I tend to believe it is true

Us human beings are fearfully and wonderfully made, wonderful works of God. We are all complex creatures, and yes, we have characteristics which whether by nurture or nature are associated with the two genetic sexes, as in male and female, and so another yes, we all, at one time or occasionally talk about or express a spectrum of those characteristics to a greater or lesser degrees and so why budaatum usually does same about his anima (i.e. talk about his feminine parts of his personality, persona, attractiveness and make-up)

EMILO2STAY:
your a big joke man

You're a greater and/or bigger joke than I could ever be. You just wait, you'll soon see and find out. You would eat your words and tender profuse apology for talking out of hand like this

EMILO2STAY:
The book of Job, 2 Peter, and even the book of Enoch confirms it the sons of God were angels

I have asked you to provide proof beyond reasonable doubt and with chapters and verses, but you've woefully been unable to say and show where or how you made out that sons of God are or equates to angels

The book of Job, hasn't got anything in it calling sons of God angels.

2 Peter, never said anything about sons of God being angels, but rather it is talking about fables and people like you believing in and spreading rumours that angels had sex with human beings

The book(s) of Enoch, right from the first century has been known to fake, this is why Peter and Jude, even Paul, were talking against it in their individual letters.

EMILO2STAY:
Where is it mentioned in the bible the the nephilims were sons of cain as well as the daughters of men. Cain was just human, he killed his brother does not mean his offsprings will be wicked

It is only a naïve person that will type such a comment like this.

EMILO2STAY:
Why didn't the bible just say the daughters of cain instead of the daughters of men

It doesn't diminish the fact and truth about the extraction of whom the daughters of men are. Wickedness started from Cain.

EMILO2STAY:
Noticed in what the bible said. "Genesis 6:1 And it came to pass, when Men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them.
Now tell me who does the "men"in genesis 6:1 refer to, cains descendants? Or the general population of the world then?.

The men in Genesis 6:1, refers to the combined lot of the sons of God and the sons of men, obviously encompasses the daughters of men and daughters of God

OLAADEGBU:
Why wouldn't you commit incest or bestiality today (assuming you do not), is it because you are under the law?

Aside the fact that God actually did and emphatically did talk against incest and bestiality, I wouldn't commit incest and bestiality because mutual consent will be absent. I wouldn't consent to incest and no animal can consciously give me consent. Also having carnal knowledge with animals is coveting strange and different flesh. Now being operating under a superior, stronger and higher law, I wouldn't be interested in either incest or bestiality too.

EMILO2STAY:
is this some kind of joke?, where does the bible say Noah found favour in the sight of God because he refused the daughters of men.?, so in other words the nephilims were the son of who?, cain?. So this is the joke that you so long to say.
Any way this your theory is not and can never be supported by the scriptures.
So you trying to tell God destroyed the world because human men slept with human women?. I have heard this teaching before and it is heresy.

EMILO2STAY, so you want to begin playing games huh? OK, two can play this game of yours. I too can play this game of yours by saying I too have heard the farcical story about angels having sexual intercourse with female human beings. Now you too, tell, where does the Bible emphatically say the sons of God are angels.

Answering your question about who the Nephilim were, the Nephilim, were off an extraction from Cain, same way the daughters of men were, whom the sons of God went into and having sexual carnal knowledge with, as opposed to going with the daughters of God.

EMILO2STAY:
[s]I can't believe what am what you just typed are you actually a grown man?[/s]

Who "grown man" epp? What has "grown man" got to do with anything that's being discussed here.

EMILO2STAY:
If I should go by what you mean, then we should still have the nephilims wrecking havoc today because according to you daughters of should mean the unrighteous people.

Please calm down and have it together to be correctly typing out in ways that isnt confusing and manner that is easily and clearly understood. That is no typos or missing words. Thank you

Now here are some fyi
1/ The Nephilims are not wrecking havoc today and the Nephilims can't wreck havoc today because the Nephilims were destroyed in the flood, do you remember that?
2/ If there were "the sons of God" and the daughters of men, there equally would exist too, "the sons of men" and the daughters of God. Maybe if you had, it would have made it easier to make the clear distinction.
3/ I dont think, you at all yourself, see the clear distinction and differences between these four categories of human beings, namely:
"the sons of God," "the sons of men," "the daughters of men," and "the daughters of God,"
"the sons of God" and the daughters of men.

EMILO2STAY:
Noah was a just man before God because he and his family was the only people then who believed and served the true God.

Thank you for your eventual attempt at answering the question.

Fyi EMILO2STAY, The wickedness in the land was increasingly becoming alarming and getting too much out of hand and God was about to set out send judgment upon the world and clear it of this wickedness and everyone in it, but then, Noah, a righteous man, blameless in his generation, and one who walked with God, found favour in the eyes of God because God noticed that, unlike everyone else, that unlike Noah's peers, his age mates, his generation, it was only Noah who made a personal decision not to have amorous relationships or make any amorous advances to the "the daughters of men" and so Noah because of this, is said in Genesis 6:8, to have found favour in the eyes of Jehovah and in Genesis 6:9, the Bible further said about Noah, to be "righteous," meaning having God's approval for Noah's action. Noah, incidentally, is the first person in biblical recording, to receive the honour of being credited with "righteous," and this, all for just an activity of faith of doing the right thing, it was all because of Noah not following the Jonesses and not doing what everyone else (e.g. other sons of God) were doing, and so we read it that, the act of Noah and to the glory of God, was accounted to Noah as righteousness.

Noah's family were the only people who believed that God was and is going to destroy their world and because they believed, they were saved and spared being destroyed. Noah's family had nothing to do with why Noah was considered righteous

EMILO2STAY, I am a strong believer in the saying that, advances are made by answering questions and discoveries are made by questioning answers, so if that maybe, then why not from this juncture, dont you grill me, ask me any question(s) under the sun that you think will clear things up, give more clarity and more illumination on the subject we are discussing here, hmm?

EMILO2STAY:
[s]total waste of time I should have known.[/s]

Why was Noah considered to be the only righteous person in his generation? What did he do that was credited him among his generation, to be righteous?

EMILO2STAY:
bye,.. your a waste of time.

Please dont say I am a waste of time. Don't be like that, especially when you didnt answer my bonus question, the one I asked about "Why was Noah considered to be the only righteous person in his generation? What did he do?" See nah, and to start with, you didnt answer that question. Are you now going to answer it?

EMILO2STAY:
If you can't prove zilch like I have done ...

I can prove my confident and forceful statement of fact and truth that the sons of God are actually human beings, and are not angels as you believe. I gave you the condition under and after which I happily will prove and divulge anything to you.

I had to go over your past posts on this thread to see whether you had really proved anything, as you claim you have, but I couldnt find anywhere supporting you proved anything

EMILO2STAY:
... pls don't quote me again

It hasnt come to this now, this isnt a fight ke, why the sudden animosty hmm? There's no way you can say I've annoyed ...absolutely no way, actually I should have been annoyed at you for parrying and dodging my questions. You made me laugh when I read your "pls don't quote me again" comment. What you going to do now then that I've quoted you huh. You'll be coming to my house to come beat me up for quoting and mentioning EMILO2STAY, erhn?

Nwanne, we are here to build each other up, but if you dont want no build with us and especially me, then no problem, as I never liked your cement anyway, which was why I asked you to back up your answers for me, with Bible and prove beyond reasonable doubt establishing that the sons of God mentioned in Job 1:6, Job 2:1 and Job 38:7 are angels, especially when I say, they are human beings, just same way there are human beings in Genesis 6:2 and Genesis 6:4 and like we as human being are also sons/daughters of God by virtue of our belief and the testament of John 1:12

You took what I said lightly, took it very lightly indeed, when I said, you've bitten more than you chew and that you will fail and be unable to prove beyond a reasonable doubt who Genesis 6:2 and Genesis 6:4 "sons of God" are

I hold a conquering truth, but as I've earlier said, pride is a terrible failing that's threatening and preventing we learn the truth.

Truths have thorns about them, and more the reason it needs holding delicately, if not held that way, frustration leads to wanting to give the custodian of truth, someone like me, for example, a bloody nose. Truth is bitter in the beginning, sweet in the end and lies are sweet in the beginning, bitter in the end, as in, when they are exposed. Then comes a tremendous bitterness, that you have been deceived by all, by your parents, by all your sunday school teachers, by your pastors, by brethren/sisters etcetera. You've been continuously deceived and misled, by them all, to think that the sons of God, in Genesis 6:2 and Genesis 6:4 plus in Job 1:6, Job 2:1 and Job 38:7 are angels. What a complete and utter travesty of the truth. It is well nwanne, I guess the truth, that you're unaware off, with proof and all, will reside within me still.

EMILO2STAY:
bye,.. your a waste of time.

Please dont say I am a waste of time. Don't be like that, especially when you didnt answer my bonus question, the one I asked about "Why was Noah considered to be the only righteous person in his generation? What did he do?"

EMILO2STAY:
If you can't prove zilch like I have done ...

I can prove my confident and forceful statement of fact and truth that the sons of God are actually human beings, and are not angels as you believe.

I had to go over your past posts on this thread to see whether you had really proved anything, as you claim you have, but I couldnt find anything supporting you proved anything

EMILO2STAY:
... pls don't quote me again

It hasnt come to this now, this isnt a fight ke, why the sudden animosty hmm? There's no way you can say I've annoyed ...absolutely no way, actually I should have been annoyed at you for parrying and dodging my questions. You made me laugh when I read your "pls don't quote me again" comment. What you going to do now then that I've quoted you huh. You'll be coming to my house to come beat me up for quoting and mentioning EMILO2STAY, erhn?

Nwanne, we are here to build each other up, but if you dont want no build with us and especially me, then no problem, as I never liked your cement anyway, which was why I asked you to back up your answers for me, with Bible and prove beyond reasonable doubt establishing that the sons of God mentioned in Job 1:6, Job 2:1 and Job 38:7 are angels, especially when I say, they are human beings, just same way there are human beings in Genesis 6:2 and Genesis 6:4 and like we as human being are also sons/daughters of God by virtue of our belief and the testament of John 1:12

You took what I said lightly, took it very lightly indeed, when I said, you've bitten more than you chew and that you will fail and be unable to prove beyond a reasonable doubt who Genesis 6:2 and Genesis 6:4 "sons of God" are

I hold the conquering truth, but as I've earlier said, pride is a terrible failing that's threatening and preventing we learn the truth.

Truths have thorns about them, and more the reason it needs holding delicately, if not held that way, frustration leads to wanting to give the custodian of truth, someone like me, for example, a bloody nose. Truth is bitter in the beginning, sweet in the end and lies are sweet in the beginning, bitter in the end, as in, when they are exposed. Then comes a tremendous bitterness, that you have been deceived by all, by your parents, by all your sunday school teachers, by your pastors, by brethren/sisters etcetera. You've been continuously deceived and misled to think that the sons of God are angels. What a complete and utter travesty of the truth. It is well nwanne.

EMILO2STAY:
bye,.. your a waste of time.

Please dont say I am a waste of time. Don't be like that, especially when you didnt answer my bonus question, the one I asked about "Why was Noah considered to be the only righteous person in his generation? What did he do?"

EMILO2STAY:
If you can't prove zilch like I have done ...

I can prove my confident and forceful statement of fact and truth that the sons of God are actually human beings, and are not angels as you believe.

I had to go over your past posts on this thread to see whether you had really proved anything, as you claim you have, but I couldnt find anything supporting you proved anything

EMILO2STAY:
... pls don't quote me again

It hasnt come to this now, this isnt a fight ke, why the sudden animosty hmm? There's no way you can say I've annoyed ...absolutely no way, actually I should have been annoyed at you for parrying and dodging my questions. You made me laugh when I read your "pls don't quote me again" comment. What you going to do now then that I've quoted you huh. You'll be coming to my house to come beat me up for quoting and mentioning EMILO2STAY, erhn?

Nwanne, we are here to build each other up, but if you dont want no build with us and especially me, then no problem, as I never liked your cement anyway, which was why I asked you to back up your answers for me, with Bible and prove beyond reasonable doubt establishing that the sons of God mentioned in Job 1:6, Job 2:1 and Job 38:7 are angels, especially when I say, they are human beings, just same way there are human beings in Genesis 6:2 and Genesis 6:4 and like we as human being are also sons/daughters of God by virtue of our belief and the testament of John 1:12

Do you want to man up and admit you have no proof of any chapter(s) or verse(s) that confirms the Genesis 6:2 and Genesis 6:4 "sons of God" mentioning, to be human beings other than the average sons of men or you're scared to own up to your shortcoming, hmm? I hope you are aware that pride is a terrible failing

You took what I said lightly, took it very lightly indeed, when I said, you've bitten more than you chew and that you will fail and be unable to prove beyond a reasonable doubt.

I hold the conquering truth, but as I've earlier said, pride is a terrible failing that's threatening and preventing we learn the truth.

Truths have thorns about them, and more the reason it needs holding delicately, if not held that way, frustration leads to wanting to give the custodian of truth, someone like me, for example, a bloody nose. Truth is bitter in the beginning, sweet in the end and lies are sweet in the beginning, bitter in the end, as in, when they are exposed. Then comes a tremendous bitterness, that you have been deceived by all, by your parents, by all your sunday school teachers, by your pastors, by brethren/sisters etcetera. You've been continuously deceived and misled to think that the sons of God are angels. What a complete and utter travesty of the truth. It is well nwanne.