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OkCornel:
I called you a homosexual apologist, as you have clearly told us God has nothing against a monogamous homosexual relationship. But if you no longer follow that school of thought...oh well

Are you still on this, like as if, dog to a bone, determined to keep on bring up something totally unrelated to talking about the genuineness of the Book of Enoch, even after I've told you not to bring it up here and even showed you the memo you missed and didnt read. No wonder LifestyleTonite and alBHAGDADI perceived you to be a satanist

OkCornel:
This is why I don't see any point arguing with you. Now you are suggesting Elijah and Enoch were teleported to God know's where.

Look at the scriptures;

2 Kings 2 v 11-12;
11 And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven.
12 And Elisha saw it, and he cried, My father, my father, the chariot of Israel, and the horsemen thereof. And he saw him no more: and he took hold of his own clothes, and rent them in two pieces.

Over 400 years later - See Malachi's prophecy on Elijah;
Malachi 4 v 5-6;
5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord:
6 And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.

If this does not tell you Elijah ascended to Heaven and kept apart for an assignment at the time of the end. I don't know what else will ring a bell. Philip was teleported in the Bible, and it was clearly stated he was seen in another city after the baptism of the Ethiopian Eunuch. God hid Moses' body, so I have no idea why are you trying to fit the square peg of Moses hidden body in your round hole of teleportation theory.

Enoch and Elijah were taken to Heaven and spared the worries of death in their time. But they are set apart for a mission at the time of the end, and thereafter taste death like every other man. In case you're still trying to connect the dots, they are the two witnesses who will be empowered for the times of the end.

I am sure you noted what year my comment was made, that's right it was in 2015. Now you see why I didnt bother with your ignoranus questions on Elijah and Enoch. Your abject ignorance doesnt warrant nor deserve me dignifying you a response at all.

Usually, I would have offer a person like this, a chance to shine, by opening a thread, mention me and then invite to discuss it, but you its a lost cause

OkCornel:
Gutter tactics you say? You mean gutter tactics by evading questions like you did on the homosexuality thread and still asking me for another debate? Please I'll let that slide. Now just see how you are arguing the case of teleportation (rather than ascension to Heaven) for Elijah and Enoch.

It is not my fault if you are deficient in this subject. It is not your first and surely isnt the last. It's either Jesus or you is a liar, about anyone being in heaven. I know who is between both of you.

OkCornel:
Also see how you're evasive on your stand on "monogamous consensual homosexuality" here..

He's started again, with a behaviour like this, I wonder how someone maritally lives with you

OkCornel:
Now you're a giving me a "touching" explanation after you earlier accused me of making up claims you wanted to blacklist me before.

Dont flatter yourself. No, but I was putting the record straight that I kept my word for nine months plus and only against my better judgment reverted

OkCornel:
Never will I engage you in a debate, especially after wasting my time and that of TV01 and Shepherd00 on your "God has nothing against a consensual monogamous homosexual relationship" claims with zero scriptural backing.

As if I care. Everyone is aware of your modus operandi. I would love you keep schtum, but I know it'll be asking a cat to guard a bowl of milk. Thats mission impossible. You really should take to the advice EnthronedbyGod gave you.

michaelkaroh:
Jesus must be black to match historical records and ancient portraits of him. How can the messiah look "jewish" when Jews today are not even iburus, so what is this jewish look you're talking about?.

Judging by what is known of/by genetics today, only Africans are 100% hue-man, all other groups are of corrupt blood as they have some animal dna in them.

1/ Who else do you believe is black skinned then, aside you believing Jesus must have been black skinned, hmm?

Answer that question, then based on your answers, we can take it further, as advances are made by answering questions and discoveries made from questioning the answers.

michaelkaroh:
Honestly, I really don't like this thing you do, you always threaten to ignore if one is trying to probe further on topics you brought up This in no way derails the thread as it is in line with the topic(s) of discourse.

You dont know warris going on. Eventuarry you wil though

Didnt I tell you, no one prominently on this thread, is prepared to answer your question(s), erhn? You've discovering that some people who should be prepared and ready to answer hard questions aren't interested or ready to answer hard questions, instead they're prepared to intimidate and ready to put pressure on whoever asks hard questions.

I was watching and waiting for someone to respond but seeing that your questions, for a long time and especially being after a day, was going unanswered, I couldnt take the silence no more, so I jumped in and reached out to you with answers.

Always question the why, don't be satisfied with only knowing the how. Don't believe everything you're told and/or read, without questioning it.
It is better to debate a question without settling it, than to settle a question without debating it. Often a simple battery of questions will quickly separate the wheat from the chaff

I would rather have questions that cant be answered or I dont know the answer to, than answers that can't be questioned

Don't be afraid of the answers, but be afraid of the questions not asked. Find the courage to ask/listen to questions you're afraid to hear the answer to. Why? It is because its the only way you'll know which direction your truth lays

A wise person, can learn more from a foolish question, than an unwise person, can learn from a wise answer.

OkCornel:
But you claimed I'm calling you names.

I am not claiming, you called me names, similar way and manner, others call you a satanist, that you bitterly always complain against and bring the attention of moderators to.

OkCornel:
1) You didn't answer my questions on Enoch & Elijah.

"... when trying to explain what happened to Elijah or Enoch and why Moses' body was never found, teleporting has always being vaguely mentioned in the Bible, just as happened to Elijah, Enoch or Moses before, Jesus too was teleported at least twice in the Bible. He was teleported into the desert to be tempted by the satan. He, Jesus and the fishing boat were teleported to the shore. There are other examples apart from these two of teleporting in the Bible

As WhoIBe said, we sometimes mistake teleporting for ascending into heaven, even after what Jesus confirmed in John 3:13

John 3:13
No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven--the Son of Man."
- Re: Did "Jesus" Tell A "LIE" by MuttleyLaff: 8:54am On Jul 28, 2015

Why should I answer your questions on Enoch & Elijah, when I was busy legitimately smh and laughing. You see that red inverted commas quote above, hmm? Read it again, learn and weep. Mtcheew.

OkCornel:
2) You never answered on this thread if you believe God has nothing against a monogamous homosexual relationship.

What is the relevance of the question to the issue about the genuineness of the Book of Enoch, hmm? You didnt have to resort to gutter tactics like that.

OkCornel:
Or are you ashamed to state your position on that here?

"I have been relieved of that work and no more have the liberty to talk about that subject or make comments on the matter"
- Re: Cultism, The Spiritual Consequences And Deliverance Through Christ by MuttleyLaff: 10:28pm On Jul 28

I am not ashamed to state anything concerning the Gospel, but you obviously didn't and/or havent read the memo.

OkCornel:
And Muttley, here is the evidence of you claiming to blacklist me on March 10, 2018.
https://www.nairaland.com/4386878/discussion-yhwh-jewish-enki-epic/5#65717787

"Not replying me is going to the extreme... I only mentioned I was giving a direct response to Emmanystone's questions."
- Re: DISCUSSION: YHWH (jewish) And Enki (epic Of Gilgamesh) Who Is Older? by OkCornel(m): 12:36pm On Mar 10, 2018

I remember that day, that I typed I wouldn't henceforth mention your ID nor respond again to posts you make. I explained that it's nothing personal, just that it's the best action I can think for both out sakes, and ended with saying, it has been nice discussing and learning from you, but you less than five minutes after my post, replied with the literal grovelling above inverted commas post.

That was March 10th 2018, now please tell, when, what month and year, after that my March 10th 2018 post, did I start mentioning you again and why did I?

OkCornel:
No be today you dey issue those kain threats abeg

"I've always a long time ago, perceived you, as suspect, but just tolerated you"
- Re: Cultism, The Spiritual Consequences And Deliverance Through Christ by MuttleyLaff: 9:51pm

The truth is, I came to understand I have to tolerate you, so nine months after March 10th 2018, I mentioned you, having being seeing how you unflinchingly was going head to head with alBHAGDADI and this was on about obligatory/mandatory/imposed ecclesiastical tithing and Freeze. I was impressed by you staying power, standing ground and standing with stamina, so I just had to break my silence, and that I did.

OkCornel:
Stay off my mentions ...

You know what to do, if you really want MuttleyLaff stay off mentioning you. You are prolonging, derailing the thread because you already was advised to go open a thread, mention and invite me there.

OkCornel:
... you are distracting me.

You're the cause of your distraction, diverting to unrelated issues, asking unrelated questions, throwing mudslings, casting aspersions with the name calling etcetera

OkCornel:
Are you also insinuating I'm a Satanist?

You tell me. I have read at least two people calling you names, in the same way and similar manner, you've adopted and enjoyed unneccesarily calling me names. I think there are more people calling a satanist, but those two are ones I know of recently

OkCornel:
Or are you itching that bad to call those 2 monikers to derail this thread further? Anyways the Pharisees accused Jesus of being in league with Beelzebub. But guess what, the Pharisees are the laughing stock right now...

I have never itched for any thread to be derailed. I merely brought those two names to your remembrace, because you sure know how it feels, when falsely accused and unpleasntly being called names. If you dont like that, then why are you doing same to another, hmm?

I've learned that typing insults and calling others names, are the last resort of a worried person with a shallow position and trying to appear still having it together

OkCornel:
Muttley, I am not a Satanist. I can never ever be one.

If you know you arent a Satanist, you know you can never be one. I guess, in the same way I am not a homosexual apologist. Like I've said, you've only read what you want to read the way you want to read it.

OkCornel:
Now tell me, are you a homosexual apologist? Do you really believe God is in support of a monogamous homosexual relationship?

I am not on trial. These questions have nothing to do with questioning the truthfulness of the Book(s) of Enoch

OkCornel:
According to the 66 books of the Bible;

"No one has ascended into heaven, but He who descended from heaven: the Son of Man."
- John 3:13


But then, tell us...where did Elijah ascend to in a chariot of fire?

Where did Enoch go to after his walk with God?

Oh and wait, you are not a homosexual apologist? Who was talking on that other thread that God sees nothing wrong in a monogamous homosexual relationship?
https://www.nairaland.com/5221576/deconstructing-lies-myth-consensual-adult

I have advised you to go read properly and get your facts right. Please stop dragging in here what is unrelated to questioning the authenticity of the Book of Enoch. You know you dont have a water-tight case, that is why you cant ever open a thread, mention and invite me to it. You have to resort "ad hominem", bringing what has no connection to questioning the genuineness of the Book of Enoch. You avoid discussing the genuineness of the Book of Enoch, but instead you are guilty of whipping up public sentiment, throwing mud, hoping it will stick

OkCornel:
Oh please, call your colleagues to further derail this thread.

Oh they are my colleagues now, when it suits you to say so. Interesting.

OkCornel:
And this is not the first time you are yapping about blacklisting me.

I very much would appreciate and like to see you provide the evidence of the first time of me yapping about blacklisting, but knowing you for what you are, you've made this up, just the same way the variant books of Enoch, starting from the first centuary and subsequent ones are made up

OkCornel:
You think highly of yourself that I should feel bad if you "blacklist" me...

Was it not you bleating I should stay of your mention but now that I have no probs with granting you this wish, you behaving as if hard done. There is no pleasing some sha

OkCornel:
Go ahead and do so, it takes nothing away from me

You know your wish is my command. Just note, I'll be back and come at you, any moment you comment to posts that features MuttleyLaff in it, being directly or indirectly talked about

OkCornel:
overgrown kid, stay off my mentions..

Are you alright at all tonight. Who you using overgrown kid to, hmm? Did someone stir craze, mix into food for you to eat tonight ni? Is that why you're talking or typing out of turn, erhn? See me, see "arinfin" trouble...

OkCornel:
I guess we should also discount Paul's tale of being caught up into heaven, or the revelation of John as well...But since they're in the 66 books Bible you were brought up with, I guess they should have a free pass...

"I know a certain Christian man who fourteen years ago was snatched up to the highest heaven
(I do not know whether this actually happened or whether he had a vision--only God knows)."
- 2 Corinthians 12:2

"At this point I had another vision and saw an open door in heaven. And the voice that sounded like a trumpet, which I had heard speaking to me before, said, "Come up here, and I will show you what must happen after this."
- Revelation 4:1

"No one has ascended into heaven, but He who descended from heaven: the Son of Man."
- John 3:13

Smh, someone doesnt know the difference between going and/or getting caught up in heaven whilst having a vision and actually ascending into heaven. Doesnt know the difference between being in heaven, in my body or out of my body.

If Jesus, in John 3:13 is saying no one has ascended into heaven except Him that came from there, then someone must be lying, and I know who and Co, that is.

OkCornel:
Please homosexual apologist, get off my mentions. You are a distraction

I am not a homosexual apologist. Read properly and get your facts right

It's funny you know that when LifestyleTonite and/or alBHAGDADI call you satanist, you dont like it, you start complain all over the forum about it and be bringing the attention of the moderators to it, but here you are doing a similar thing to another and enjoying calling them names here

OkCornel:
After you edited your post, you're claiming I quoted you incompletely? Do you have any iota of shame at all?

You must be delirious, high or on something else, where and when did I edit any post. I moved the comment to another and separate post but you think doing something like is a no-no

OkCornel:
Oops, not at all. Since you can boldly tell us God has nothing against monogamous loving homosexuals.

Why are you shamelessly dragging something unrelated, that is totally and completely different to discussing that the Book of Enoch is not an authentic book.

You don’t have to resort to cheapskate tactics like that, simply just to hold your own ground. If you do, as you've done, it confirms and shows how shaky your stance is and that you havent got a water-tight position

OkCornel:
Get off my mentions please. Stay on your lane.

You too get mouth to use the line "get off my mention" I've always a long time ago, perceived you, as suspect, but just tolerated you

If you really want me not mentioning you and/or posts, then stop responding to other people's post with comments associated with MuttleyLaff, because if you do comment on them posts, I wouldnt for a moment shy from coming after you. I am more than willing, if you want to be blacklisted, if you so wish, you wont be the first and certainly wont be the last

OkCornel:
Can you point me to where this was written?

Before Enoch left earth permanently, He had visited Heaven on more than one occasion. When He saw God face to face, He returned to earth with the revelations he had, penned them down and handed them over to his sons.

Not at all, Enoch having a revelation of these things does not necessarily connote such. Please let's look at the portion of the scriptures that spoke of the deep things of Satan. I'll like to have a scriptural reference.

Also, I asked if you have heard of Dr. Rebecca Brown, or read any of her books. The secrets of occult, satanism and witchcraft was exposed there. And her testimonies of how the Holy Spirit helped her overcome are well documented.

No vex bro, I asked those questions cos I'm driving at something that would address your initial question.

Lemme give you a shocker, the authorship of the book of Hebrews is in dispute. That does not in anyway take anything from it as an inspired book though.

Enoch went to heaven, more than once, he says, pfft. Smh

What's the shocker in that lol, behaving as if telling something people aren't aware of. Do you know the reason and circumstances why the authorship is questioned, hmm?

OkCornel:
Stories, stories, stories.

Furthermaths can't make sense to a person struggling with arithmetics. After telling us God sees nothing wrong in homosexuality, you still have the temerity to ask me for an argument?

You're a waste of my precious time. Oh, please call your comrade in arms alBHAGDADI to derail the thread even further...

I can't waste my time on arguing with someone who claims God has nothing against homosexuality. Stay clear off my mentions, I am having a discussion with Anas09/Shepherd00

Are you deaf or cant read that I have given you my blessing to wallow in your ignorance and blessed your commitment to be an ignoranus.

You are actually lucky, I was ready to put my neck on the line, go mano a mano with you, give you a chance to defend your corner and try to shine with this fake arse accursed fake news Book of Enoch but soon realised you don't send a bwoy on a man's errand.

Keep on incompletely quoting me, just to gain dishonest advantage.

OkCornel:
Rattled? Seriously?

if anything, I'm amused you are asking for a debate, after your rope-a-dope, evasive tactics of justifying homosexuality who zero scriptural evidence.

A debate with you is a total waste of time. Never request that from me after that show of shame on that thread.

I'm patiently awaiting grammar, gifs and phonetics from your end in reply

I am not surprised you're as usual talking from your arse. I don't blame alBHAGDADI, for the favourite name he calls you because only a person that fits that name will be romantising with this fake news arsed book of Enoch

I would have exposed your puny weak arse, but you couldn't grow some, couldn't grow a pair big enough for you to open a thread to defend this fake news fantasy on steroids demonic book, to mention and invite me to it so I can tear you to shreds with your arse hanging out in the air.

I would have given you the dire education you obviously lack, on why and how Jude and Peter mentioned Enoch and made reference to section of that accursed book.

You are nothing but a sucker, you have itching ears, and that's part of why you fell for this Enoch book scam

Shepherd00:
I have never known you to loose your cool. What happened?

Pls maintain who you have always been, Calm.

You know you've rattled someone when they have to resort to personal self attack and name calling like that one or Satanist etcetera.

Anas09:
No, that is actually not the only problem I have with it. Another problem I have with it is (I may be wrong), I see it as veering deep into satan and The Lord warned us against stuff like this.

Why shd we spend time digging into demons, their names and operations, when we shd be talking more abt Jesus?

To me, this is demonology. Again. I may be wrong.

Christians take the Warnings of God lightly, that's why they fall prey to satan.

I have no further questions. Thank you.

Anas09:
The only problem I have with the Book of Enoch is its authorship.

Who wrote the Book of Enoch?
The First Five books of the Bible were written by Moses. Even Moses was not there when the events he wrote abt happened. YHWH had to take him back in time to see and write.

Enoch was 6th from Adam. How could he have written that book when the book of Genesis of which his existence was mentioned was written by Moses is retrospect?
I'd be settled and accept it if it's authorship shall be confirmed.

So if that is your only problem with this fake news book, then you swallow hook, line and sinker the cóck and bull stories in it then.

The book is written by the person self styling himself as Enoch. It is not different to the Otum series done by our own resident guy here

michaelkaroh:
How do "Jewish" people today look like?, are they not white?

I am sure you do know that Jesus was not an Ashkenazi Jew, just like those presently in modern day Israel.

michaelkaroh:
How can description of His skin tone be metaphoric, I don't understand.
Of course the true semblance of the king is important, his desciples didn't recognize him because he covered their eyes, but they recognized him when he permitted and opened their eyes again, luke 24:30, John 21:4-7

If I should say to you, that the heat today was so hot and unbearable that my skin felt and looked like black hot burning coals. Will you then say my skin is black, if even though I am naturally white skinned, hmm? Of course, with the black hot burning coal, it was used as a metaphor

That is the point that Jesus was unrecognisable, even to those who had known Him intimately for close to four years. It what is called glorified appearance things going on there.

michaelkaroh:
As far as I know from the scriptures, iburus described themselves as black.
Examples:
Job(not iburu though) described himself as black, Job 30:30
The shunemite described herself as black, song of sol. 1:5-6
Jeremiah described the iburus as being black, lamentations 4:8, 5:10

I am pleased you know about Song of Solomon 1:5-6 and that the bride of Jesus Christ, the church is black.

I am sure you are familiar with scabs, what the Yorubas, call "kurunor". OK, cast your memory back to the ordeal Job went through and what was his skin covered all over with, then tell, whether or not you won't be surprised if his turned black.

michaelkaroh:
Skin color/race is very important as it would help identify the sheep from the goat. Skin color/ identity is very important for to properly identify the children. Imagine, if kwame nkrumah was described in history as a pale British man, that would effectively cage the minds of Ghanaians into thinking that a pale man worked for their freedom when he was actually one of their's.

Some belivers think race is not important, but it actually is. If they describe the messiah as anything but black, they are effectively saying he is not a pure blood as only saharans are pure hue-man's today

Skin colour is not necessarily important as you think. The bride of Christ being black, doesn't mean or imply it is made up of a rainbow of other skin tone colours.

michaelkaroh:
Someone please explain this.

You wouldnt get anyone explaining anything to you here because your request has nothing to do with witchcraft, has no demons, no angels humping human beings, no furphies, no religious cult mention etcetera in it. There is nothing juicy or ear itching in your request to demand a response

michaelkaroh:
Is the Lord a white man?

No, Jesus is not white, as in, He is not a Caucasian.

michaelkaroh:
Is the Saviour not bronze coloured?

Jesus when He was on earth, like most Jewish persons, as He was, would have had olive-brown coloured skin. Any mention of bronze in relation to Jesus and/or part(s) of His body, in the Bible, as in like, the Book of Revelation, is done metaphorically.

michaelkaroh:
Is burnished bronze not black/brown?

If you want to settle for that, it's OK, but it doesnt mean that the then earthly biblical day living times Jesus, is black or brown skinned

michaelkaroh:
Please I need answers.
Thanks.

If what Jesus looks like matters, the disciples who knew Jesus Christ, who wined and dined with Him, travelled and slept with Him for the very good part of three years plus, would have recognized Him instantly after the resurrection, but then they didn't.

When Jesus looks into a mirror, whose face(s), do you think He sees?
Answers will vary, depending on who, how and/or what you think Jesus is, in this life.

jcross19:
you are hypocrite ! I have you john 8;5-11 full demonstration of Jesus love! now back to the main tussle! in the book of 2king 2vs23-King James Bible
And he went up from thence unto Bethel: and as he was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald headed, in this version Bible call them little children! in verse 24 he cursed them in the name of the lord! now listen if Elisha did not curse them nothing will happen to them! God did not send any beast on them but authority have been given to Elisha! even as man of God if you know you way out in the things of the spirit you can still do the same but just know the anger of God will be upon you! if you are still working in the way of old testament you are finish because Jesus as John the Baptist is greatest among man born of a woman is very little compare any one of His kingdom! Elisha is a prophet without holy spirit am very better than Him because I reign with Christ love.

Shepherd00:
Did you see Lev. 36:22? Na me write am?

I guess you don't believe in the OT?

"²¹If you walk in hostility toward Me and refuse to obey Me, I will multiply your plagues seven times, according to your sins.
²²I will send wild animals against you, to rob you of your children, destroy your livestock, and reduce your numbers, until your roads lie desolate."
- Leviticus 26:21-22

What kind of bible is this that, you got a Lev 36:22 from? Please dont let jcross be making you post typos

Shepherd00:
Jcross, can you pls dispute the scriptures I posted as not coming directly from YHWh?

Na me write dem ni?
Boy, will you crying upandan?

I see you've managed to suss out from my subtle hints, what the verses were, but why did you share them with Jcross19 before he had the chance to say please Shepherd00, hmm?

jcross19:
I asked just a quotation of it and you are saying all these then it mean you are not even sure of yourself.

I am not sure whether you're saying, you dont know of any verse of God telling the Israelites He will send wild animals after their children, if they should reject Him or be hostile towards Him.

You havent answered the question and you havent politely requested for the quote, by saying please either.

I am sure of myself more than you are sure of yourself and your content knowledge of the bible, in regards the subject under question.

jcross19:
I did not notice it but now you are asking me so back it up!

Does, you did not notice it, mean you had no knowledge of the existence of such verses, of God telling the Israelites He will send wild animals after their children, if they should reject Him, hmm?

Michellekabod2:
I saw this on a forum of atheist republic website posted by a atheist with the moniker Sheldon. The responses he got were quite insightful. I decided to post this here to get responses from theists.

A question for theists
I should like all the theists in here to list ten beliefs they hold without any objective evidence, and that are nothing to do with their religion.

Alternatively any theists can acknowledge they hold none, and explain why we should not infer an inherent bias in their religious belief, if it held to a different standard of evidence than all their other beliefs.

I would also like to ask to any theists here to list ten objectively moral actions, with evidence obviously, not just simply invoke their belief that objective morality exists because the deity they believe in is perfectly moral, as this is just a circular argument that invokes unevidenced claims.

This is a DOA request, on the basis, that it isnt abiding by the bible definition and/or description of what religion that is pure true and without fault is, but not to be seen as a party pooper, here is me having a go, and my ten beliefs that I hold without any objective evidence, and that has nothing to do with my faith:

1/ I believe the chair in next office room wont collapse under me, if I choose to go in there and sit on it.
2/ I believe I wont fall off my bed, if I get to survive seeing tomorrow morning
3/ I believe I can easily find my way to work, if I take a completely and totally different route
4/ I playfully believe budaatum is female
5/ I believe there are a handful of sad nutcase fruitcakes on this forum
6/ I believe it'll will rain tomorrow
7/ I believe I'll get paid more at month ending than normal.
8/ I believe, I've pissed off quite a few today already
9/ I believe, I can fly
10/ I believe I am tired at #10

jcross19:
but you are the one that brought up the issue so back it up with quotation period!

Say please and maybe because of Shepherd00 who first asked, I'll share it here, against my previous decision not to.

jcross19:
bring your quotation!

Look at you, all mouth and no trousers. Big shot like you relying and depending on me, to show you where God told the Israelites they risk having wild animals kill their children, if they should at any stage reject Him.

jcross19:
can you bring the quotation and see the meaning of the contexts!

Stop making this unnecessarily difficult and complex. Just answer whether you know or not know that God promised sending wild animals after the Israelites' children, if they should decide to reject Him.

jcross19:
God sent jehu to destroy the house of rehobam after some years the house of jehu was destroyed ! don't allow God used you for destruction because He will still bounce on you for making yourself available!

Put this your comment aside for the moment and let's do first come, first serve, yeah?

Now are you saying God never said He will send wild animals after the Israelites children, if they should reject Him, hmm?

Shepherd00:
I think he is a JW who believes God is too Loving to let Judgement come against a defaulter

Nwanne, have you, by now managed to know what the verses were?

Shepherd00:
Post here the Horrible, horrible lies Christians tell.

Why are you bothered with a Bible illiterate who when it's about Bible matters, doesn't know his left from his right. I doubt he's able to tie up his shoe laces in regards theology and Bible matters.

jcross19:
am just telling you what the bible say about those prophets without holy spirit! in the old testament.

OK, but are you saying God didn't say He will send wild animals after the Israelites' children, doesnt matter if they are kids, adults or young adults, that is, if they reject Him and that of course applies to rejecting any that represent Him, hmm?

OkCornel:
The rantings of a frustrated homosexual apologist.
Cheers...

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EnthronedbyGod:
Please I beg everyone following this thread to ignore the guy who always quotes scriptures out of context.

He is a mischief maker.

I am your worst and dreaded nightmare. When you go out of line, I'll come after you and down on you, like a ton of bricks, and this, as whenever the Holy Spirit prompts me and at appropriate times that suits

EnthronedbyGod:
I saw this act he just did 2days ago. He left after he was ignored, but has been stirred up by the forces of darkness who are bent on derailing this thread.
Don't give him the attention.

If you notice, with the exception of one particular poster, I ignore quite a lot of comments made at me on this thread, they arent worth my time responding to. Besides, I post comments here for the anonymous readers, who arent registering to post comments but only are reading, standing on the touch lines.

I always leave after dropping needful salient points. You know I am always in the background, reading and keeping abreast of what's typed on this thread. I dont need attention, I dont suffer from any lack of attention. My presence on this thread is a labour of love, I can do without the thread, but a man must do, what a man must do. I am not resentful of that instead I thank God for the grace.

EnthronedbyGod:
The angels that slept with daughters of men were fallen angels and not Holy angels

May God have mercy on your soul and have it in Him, to forgive you for this slander you made on the angels, whether you call them fallen angels or not

EnthronedbyGod:
The scriptures say answer not a fool according to his folly, so be wise please.
God bless

"⁴Jesus answered, “See to it that no one deceives you (i.e. see that no one leads you astray)
⁵For many will come in My name, claiming, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will deceive many (i.e. they will mislead many)"
- Matthew 24:4-5

Keep on being busy under satan's yolk, with images of Jesus, right. If anyone wants to know what Jesus looks like, look at your neighbour

I have warned you before, I do recall that, I've told you to repent. You better take heed to my warning as a legit moG, unlike the fraud and charlatan that you are. God is slow in anger, but trust me, if you headstrong keep toeing this path, the punishment and fate you rightly deserve is just round the corner doing sit-ups because of you. I know you wont repent, wont take heed of the warning because you are a bigger fool than I am

OkCornel:
Open a thread and waste time arguing with you? Since that other useless thread you opened on homosexuality, it's a total waste of time.

Go and argue with yourself. You're a distraction here.

And you said there are various bible translations that agree with one another? Oh please... I'm not going down that path to derail this thread any further.

I have posted something on the origin of witchcraft and sorcery (from the book of Enoch) that clearly aligns with what enthronedbyGod pointed out.

I have given you the attention you crave for. You can move on now.

Scaredy cat. I know your case is like those people who don't want to hear the truth because they don't want their illusions destroyed. You know you're my buddy, but its the same teeth wey dog dey use play with hin pikins, hin dey use bite them with. You are remind me of Nicodemus, whom Jesus was shocked of and wondered about why he doesnt know any better, being that he is a teacher of Israel. You saved your bacon, saved your hide, saved your arse, go in peace wallowing in your ignorance and enjoying your beloved cursed Book of Enoch

OkCornel:
Double standards... double standards... double standards...

There are many variants and version of the Bible out there... absolutely no problem.

There are many fantastic tales like the talking serpent, talking donkey, man running faster than a chariot e.t.c. oh, but these are not fables since they are in the 66 books version of the Bible...

Bros, go and argue with yourself. Perhaps the Ethiopian Church must be hell bound for canonizing the book...

Fyi, it is in the Ethiopic version of the book of Enoch 7:10-12, where it said, the height of the born baby giants were three hundred cubits, that is the length of one and of a half football field pitch, whilst other versions, like the The Book of Enoch, actually say they are three thousand cubits hence making the born baby giants to be as high as a 45-story building.

Everyone knows there is only one Bible but multiple translation versions, but with the Book of Enoch, apart from the lost first century book, there are actually three different Book of Enoch and not three translation version, they dont even compliment each other, like bible translations do.

Ogbeni, stop and just go grow the balls, open a thread, mention and invite me to it. Let's see how you'll fare on it, mano mano with me.

OkCornel:
Look at this one claiming he wants to tear one to shreds.

Who are you referring to as "Look at this one " erhn?

Why dont you grow the balls to go open a thread, mention and invite me to it, and see whether or not, I wont keep to my words of tearing you to shreds so much you'll be exposed huh?

OkCornel:
Arguing with you is a total waste of time. Especially after seeing your shameful attempts on your other thread, boldly telling us God sees nothing wrong in homosexuality.

Smh, what a confirmed, bonafide and sorry arsed already loser you are. You have to resort to dragging up dirt and fall on throwing mud just so to make something stick erhn? I guess you know when you are beat, thats why you opt for this strategy, hmm?

OkCornel:
Please tell us why you believe in talking serpent or a talking donkey or a man running faster than a Chariot. It's simply because it's in the Bible.

Let me give you a doggy bone, just to pacify you. It is because they are all and each in the Bible. They are supernatural events, not discredited and never denounced by anyone in the Bible. They occurred with God in the equation and/or God directly involved. The reverse engineering Book of Enoch fake news on steroid book, with its slander stories about angels, about 45 storey building high baby giant human beings, baby giant human beings with eyes that shine like sun rays and liighting up a room with sunlight rays coming from their eyes, etcetera is just what it is. Trash. Bullshit meant for the toilet.

The mention of Enoch by Jude and Peter is done for the only reason to lambast the ungodly perverting the Gospel with fantasy tales etcetera

OkCornel:
Anything outside that is automatically dismissed as tales...

The current three variants Book of Enoch, are not the same Book of Enoch peddled about in the first century that the Apostles were against and warning the early believers about it

OkCornel:
Like I said earlier, arguing with you is a total waste of my time.

I already have granted you my blessing, to go ahead relish enjoy reading that bullshit of a cursed book.

If you continue being mouthy and/or keep on asking me question(s), then please grow a pair and go open a thread, mention and invite me to it, so you can get the education you lack on Peter and Jude talking of the slanders and fables in the book of Enoch

You're scared now, because you know if you dare open the thread, mention and invite me to it, your illusion will be shattered and you will take a right good ol beating.

OkCornel:
Where did Peter, Jude and Paul denounce the book of Enoch as fraud?

If you're genuinely interested, you will go open a thread, mention and invite me to it, so I can expose you. Call it getting education on about where Peter and Jude alluded to the slanders and fables concerning the book of Enoch. If you have balls open, mention and invite me, to lets get this other party started. I'll tear you to shreds and get you exposed. I know what I am talking, you dont.

OkCornel:
Same book of Enoch Jesus quoted from abi? Nice joke.

Poor and shoddy attempt at reverse engineering fake news book on steroids. Make believe, that Jesus quoted from their pitiful fantasy book.

OkCornel:
You could also research on a talking serpent, a talking donkey, a man running faster than a chariot e.t.c.

Are you this desperate, you need to descend this low, using a cheapskate tactic like this to defend your fondness to this poor and shoddy attempt at reverse engineering fake news book on steroids.

Why not discredit the miracles Jesus performed, why not put in Peter and Jesus walking on water erhn? If you really did your research, you would have found out the circumstances of the supernatural events in the Bible is quite different to those in the Book of Enoch. The ones in the Book of Noah are on par with outlandish claims in the Quran, like of Muhammad splitting of the moon etcetera.

OkCornel:
You simply believe these because they are in the Bible

Even if that's my reason, the Book of Enoch, whichever of the three variants, if not for sake of refuting it isnt in the bible.

OkCornel:
I'd like you to show us where Peter and Jude alluded to the book of Enoch they quoted from as fables.

If you're genuinely interested, you will go open a thread, mention and invite me to it, so I can expose you The education you're yearning for about where Peter and Jude alluded to the slanders and fables concerning the book of Enoch will be given to you on that thread, if you have the balls to open, mention and invite me to.

OkCornel:
Do well and enjoy the "fables" included the 66 books you were brought up with as well. Cheers

"And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
(i.e. so they will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.)"
- 2 Timothy 4:4

"Don't pay any attention to any of those senseless Jewish stories and human commands (i.e. shouldn't pay attention to Jewish myths or fables) These are made up by people who won't obey the truth"
- Titus 1:14

Paul had you too, in mind when he wrote the above 2 Timothy 4:4 and Titus 1:14, to Timothy & Titus. Paul, two thousand years ago, saw you in the future 2019 and did a smh for you

OkCornel:
The Book of Enoch was extant centuries before the birth of Christ and yet is considered by many to be more Christian in its theology than Jewish. It was considered scripture by many early Christians. The earliest literature of the so-called "Church Fathers" is filled with references to this mysterious book.

The early second century "Epistle of Barnabus" makes much use of the Book of Enoch. Second and Third Century "Church Fathers" like Justin Martyr, Irenaeus, Origin and Clement of Alexandria all make use of the Book of Enoch. Tertullian (160-230 C.E) even called the Book of Enoch "Holy Scripture".

The Ethiopic Church even added the Book of Enoch to its official canon. It was widely known and read the first three centuries after Christ. This and many other books became discredited after the Council of Laodicea. And being under ban of the authorities, afterwards it gradually passed out of circulation.

Just see how the decisions of a few men have molded the mindset and thinking of subsequent generations. Truth now looks strange to them.

Source: http://www.heaven.net.nz/writings/enoch.htm

Read the book here - http://www.heaven.net.nz/writings/thebookofenochwithversenumbers.htm

The book of Enoch was rejected and denounced, as earlier as the first century and this by the disciples, as in, talking of Peter, Paul and Jude