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Michellekabod2:
Lol I ignored the thread because of the derailing and strawmans created by you theists.. silenced who? You theists remain a butt-joke to me. The thread hijacked by your likes to obfuscate was left for you and I stopped following the thread . ..
Jubiliate as long as you can around a bonfire..all you put up there is a pile of horse poo

Lol and grinning at the above emboldened. I love reading good, very good pile of horse poo

Ikennablue:
mehn...
Be carefull what you say. He's a man of God

Arent we all moG, hmm? You a moG, I a moG, dermmy a moG, hmm?

dermmy:
I didn't insult anyone there. Just remembered that parable

"So the LORD said, “My Spirit will not contend with man forever, for he is mortal; his days shall be 120 years.

And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years (KJV)

Then the LORD said, "My Spirit will not struggle with humans forever, because they are flesh and blood. They will live 120 years.""
- Genesis 6:3

The parable didnt wash though, as Oyedepo said he isnt in a hurry, to go to Heaven, because he is going to be there forever, so there’s no point hurrying to get there and if you’re only here on earth for long once, then why not make the most that's possible here on earth and to the glory of God too before exiting to heaven, hmm?

Occasionally I do get tired of living on earth, but shrug it off because of my nearest(s) and dearest(s) etcetera. So I can understand why Oyedepo says he isnt in a hurry to cross over. The only thing intriguing me in his comment is the 120 number, though he also mentioned 100 but why is he particular with that 120 number? I hope he isnt misinterpreting Genesis 6:3 to match that popular misleading belief that mankind's lifespan is meant to be limited to, at least, 120 years, erhn?

TV01:
My primary purpose on posting, as always was to pose my position regards gospel truth. That is, weigh it against what I feel is being posited by other posters. They are a number of things which, if time permits, I will yet touch on regards this thread.

There are however other concerns that I am impressed to touch on. In all, I would sum them up as an “imprecatory” attitude, which, is not Christian. Menacing in their deployment and, wiles I would advise God-fearing people to refrain from.

The first is a threat of divine retribution - typically accompanied by a self-arrogated status above other believers - when challenged or, if perhaps the cut and thrust gets heated. It is not necessary or befitting.

Secondly, there is the recourse to labelling. Typically labelling contrary posters Satanists, witches, Jezebels, or in some way possessing a demonic spirit. Indeed, there may be times where this is the case, it may even be glaringly apparent. The truth is real instances should actually be handled more sensitively. We wrestle not against flesh and blood.

Mostly such descriptions are not applied legitimately, but spitefully at best. By all means point out people’s errors, resist scripturally and with scripture, but let us eschew these kind of attacks.

The third, and possible worst, is something I’ve only seen on this thread. The notion that Christians that suffer illness are somehow lesser beings, or that there suffering is as a result of sin and, further delighting in the claim as a sort of judgement is in Christian terms, far beyond the pale.

In fact, if I had not counselled against labelling above, I may well be throwing around a few choice names myself at this point. This 3rd point could perhaps use a scriptural rejoinder?

This kind of thing can only take a downward trajectory, and can become culturally embedded if not stopped in its tracks. Believe me, this board will offer little by way of edification if it descends to that.

Many have fallen short here. In the hope that it will stop, I’ll not name and shame. Please, a word will hopefully be enough. On the contrary, let our words be seasoned with grace, me included. I know I can be testy .


May The Lord help us all
TV

Let's see, if the proposed sanity & decorum will be embraced and how long they'll interval before the point when they're deemed not wanted or needed anymore

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@Smh lol.

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"... but stuff about gay baboons, stuff about pastors saying they went to heaven, that goes viral", he said

Michellekabod2:
I recall when jesusjnr was banned for spambot and he cried that he was under attack and later created a moniker titled jjresurrected....he didn't/doesn't know what spamming is

Dont mind the bunch of ignoranus clowns. I remember one too, that falsely accused me of reporting him and so got him banned, when I never had the foggiest of how he got banned or what happened. He with another poster, were insistent, I colluded and/or conspired together with biased mod(s) to have him banned, all attempts made explaining my hands are clean and that it was the anti spam moderation bot fell on deaf ears

budaatum:
What can I say, I boast. Though I often wonder about that spambot. It seems to only get me on posts I consider significant and never when I yadayada. Very annoying. If I were superstitious I would invoke the powers and the principalities!

All the same, Spambot! I'm watching you!

The anti spam moderation bot when on its period, will get and does get finicky

budaatum:
You and who is "24 hour doopsy"?

Is goodness and mercy a lie?

Lol. You walked through the valley of the shadow of death, returned back unscathed and to boast about it, as the mods saved your bacon, your previously hidden post, sanity and dignity intact. Wisdom and intelligence are good to have and know how to well use. Well done.

Mariangeles:
If it isn't true, then denounce it once and for all and I will believe you.
Remember when the pharisees accused Jesus Christ of being possessed by the devil, He denounced it by saying "I hath not the devil..."

I already have said, it is not true Mariangeles and that if you had maturely and wisely got the facts right first, you wouldnt have fallen into the trap of needing to ask me if anything is true Mariangeles or to now denounce anything

I have no need of you believing me or not believing me, but I staunchly and humbly need you, to believe the Bible, believe the Bible in all its originality, in all its genuineness, in all its honest-to-goodness and in all its truthfulness

^^^^
Oops, you just did a doopsy there, I guess no more posting here for at least the next 24 hours for you budaatum

Mariangeles:
Is it true that you support homosexuality?

"Wrongdoers eagerly listen to gossip;
liars pay close attention to slander."
- Proverbs 17:4

It is not true Mariangeles. If you had got the facts right first, you wouldnt have fallen into the trap of needing to ask me if anything is true Mariangeles.

Gossip is usually shared and spread by the misinformed. Nothing good, is ever achieved from spreading, carrying or listening to gossip. Gossip is gossip because it is not always the truth. Never entertain gossip, because it kills the soul and wounds another's heart. Right now, my heart bleeds at this misunderstanding of yours and from the feeling sense of me being wrongly judged by you. It is well sha.

Mariangeles, if the bible is known to be with certain words distorted, known to have words changed from their original meaning, known to have new words added that has no meaning related to the original words they are replacing, then people also are bound to be free and come on here, to distort and/or begin distorting my comments, as much as they please.

Gossip reflects the insecurity of those who initiate it. It is a very dangerous tool, and one should be more wary of the gossiper(s) and not the gossips he is trying so hard to relay to you or others

Mariangeles, I beg you, dont spread with your fingers, what your eyes personally didnt see and/or read. Surround yourself with people who enjoy spreading the Gospel, good news and not any spreading hate or gossip!

OLAADEGBU:
You supported Goshen by saying that we are no longer under the law, why are you now quoting the law as a reason why you will not commit such acts?

You must be suffering from a bout of amnesia, if you dont remember its you asking me where and when did God "emphatically talks" against incest and bestiality that prompted me giving you, what you by yourself asked me for.

OLAADEGBU:
Don't give me that sanctimonious response as if you are holier than the inspired word of God written in the OT! Are you also accusing God for describing those acts into details in the OT? Come off it and just answer the question!

God didnt ask me perverse questions. It is you who has. I already said, the answer to your perverted question is, asides instructive Leviticus 18:6, the understanding it is a confusing and/or perverse act stops me.

OLAADEGBU:
Your emotional blackmail will not work. Are you saying that the OT law prevents you from committing such acts or not? Please make yourself clear. On what basis are the acts confusing and/or perverse?

Human parents dont have sexual intercourse with their children. Whoever that does hasnt been thinking clearly, this is part basis of the act being confusing. Another important thing, that seemed to elapse you is, mutual consent and there's no chance of ice in hell, I'll consent even if she does. Can you now see how warped your mind works in conjuring up such a monstrous question like this, hmm?

OLAADEGBU:
If you say the law is only instructive are you insisting that there are no eternal consequences for committing such acts?

Misquoting people must be a hobby of yours. I never and at all said "... the law is only instructive ..." Please either get your facts right or correct the vision by visiting SpecSavers

OLAADEGBU:
Animals can have different kinds. I saw a dog and a cat today locked in a sexual position. Why should they be able to do that when humans cannot if you say we are not under the law?

Even if animals can have different kinds, a truth that you now are introducing in here, it doesnt change the fact that animal flesh is animal flesh. Animals are able to have sex with another animal, even a different kind because they are still animals, but humans cant have sex with animals because aside the law prohibiting this, their flesh, as earlier said, is different and strange to that of animals.

Please correct yourself, I never said we are not under the law, but said, being operating under a superior, stronger and higher law, I wouldn't be interested in either incest or bestiality too, as the law by virtue of being superior, stronger and higher does not demand any lesser requirement.

OLAADEGBU:
If the law forbids you from having sex with animals why are you then saying that you are no longer bound by the same law for doing the same? Don't you think you are shooting yourself in the foot?

There is a principle that says, what goes up must come, however there is another principle, superior, stronger and more powerful, that enables me go up and stay up in air thus ignoring the principle that says what goes up must come, making me no longer bound by that limiting principle

OLAADEGBU:
Does it have eternal consequences if that moral standard is broken?

It is the mother of all laws, all the laws hinge on it, so of course, yes, there is eternal consequences if broken

OLAADEGBU:
"For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven" (Matthew 5:20).

If that is the case then more responsibility is on you than those under the OT law.

Part of the Gospel, part of the good news, is that grace gets us through

OLAADEGBU:
If you had read the OP you would know the particular OT chapter that this topic is based on.

You can play your hide and seek game with yourself, if thats how you want to

OLAADEGBU:
This is why folks need to read the OP before jumping into arguments, your answer is all over the OP.

This is always the cop out, the free get out of jail card for you to use, hmm abi?

OLAADEGBU:
That is my point. If homosexuality is forbidden in the OT then under a superior law it is double forbidden, if you permit me to say it like that.

You had no point. To have a point, you successfully need to, consider together with the preceding background and surrounding words of the verse(s) you quoted, as in, consider the entire chapter upon which this topic is based on, then tell, clearly defined and/or identified, what kind of homosexuality is forbidden and also the reason specifically why that kind of homosexuality is forbidden

I hope you appreciate the huge risks I am taking by skating on thin ice which is broaching this subject with you. I did out of courtesy continuing with you because this discourse started before I got relieved from talking about it, so my dear brother, I trust you'll understand, if I should at any moment, suddenly clam up and refuse to respond to probing(s) that I know would get me into very hot unsavoury soup with God.

jesusjnr:
To be honest with you, I am not even against tithing, but the overemphasis of it as is being done by Oyedepo and the likes of him in the church as he did on that occasion.

Because that was similar to how the Pharisees overemphasized tithing and such least things over the most important things which made Jesus rebuke them.

So my position is the same as that of Jesus where it should be treated as the minor thing that it is, not as a major.

God bless.

dermmy:
You are not against tithing? Are you saying tithing under the new testament church is right? Ok Did JESUS or any of the Apostles collect tithe? modern day pastors have even gone above that by collecting another one called first fruit. Did the Apostles collect those? Under the old covenant only the Levite were allowed to collect tithe and funny enough they had no portion in the tithe collected because GOD promised he would be their portion.

So how did all these errors creep into the new testament church? Was money a tithing medium in the old testament? Those people tithed animals, farm produce. Who changed it into money under the new testament or are there no animals and agricultural produce in our society anymore?

If my Pastor who is a Nigerian now claims he is a Levite, a lost tribe in Israel how did he arrive at that? Under the new testament the bible says we are all priests and kings so that means we born again christians are all entitled to tithes, first fruit and the rest if that is the case. The old testament people of GOD didn't do monthly tithing so how did this creep into new testament church.

That is why we have fake pastors everywhere because the church rakes in big money through tithes and offering.Everywhere has been litered with church branches because the more the branch the more the money they rake. They are busy running to Europe and America to set up branches because they want tithes in dollars and pounds when the whole of Nigeria has not been captured for GOD. You are running to countries that have lowest crime rates in the world to preach the gospel when your country is still suffering from ritual killing, fraud, criminality, kidnapping etc.

The church is in a dangerous situation. We have liars, greedy men on the pulpit and we think everything they say is right because they pull gullible and lazy crowds who don't understand the word of GOD.

China today censors religion if not for that some Pastors in Nigeria would have littered that country with branches because of their greed. You know China is the second largest economy in the world.

HedwigesMaduro:
Sorry pls that quote in that pic, was it actually stated by Bishop Oyedepo? Just curious.

"Did you see anywhere where Job tithed? So his blessing was not secured.
You can’t find anywhere where Job tithed. No… He was overly committed to giving liberally to the poor, and God is committed to blessing, but there was no security. Whoa Halelluia… If you ask the devil, one of his greatest problems on this earth today is a short man (Oyedepo pointing to himself) If I am not smart to secure my life, he will devastate me, but he can’t reach me. We.., I serve a covenant keeping God, I will rebuke…."
- What Bishop Oyedepo said about Job and tithe in the going round video clip

HedwigesMaduro:
Wow! This is...

Wow indeed and with such comment from a senior, it brings the faith into disrepute.

I am sorry to say, there is an awful lot of empty rhetoric written about tithing on here and elsewhere on most threads and I believe the reason is due to the low understanding of the meaning "no one knew Melchizedek birth or death" because of a low understanding of why it was Melchizedek, Abraham opted to give the spoils of war tithe to, because of a low understanding of the customary law behind the tithe Abraham gave and lastly but not the least because of a low understanding of the circumstances of how the Levi got given the office of the priesthood. Yep lots of low understandings.

"There you will bring your burnt offerings, your sacrifices, your tithes,
your sacred offerings, your offerings to fulfill a vow, your voluntary offerings,
and your offerings of the firstborn animals of your herds and flocks."
- Deuteronomy 12:6

"Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings.'
- Malachi 3:8

Of course, tithing is not offering, if tithing was offering, there wont be a distinction between them, as seen made in Deuteronomy 12:6 and Malachi 3:8 above. Contrary to the opinion of Bishop Oyedepo, tithing, especially taxed, mandatory or obligatory tithe, DOES NOT give you security against satan. Even voluntary tithing doesnt do that. It is placing yourselves under God's authority and resisting satan, that is the security against satan and/or is the security for satan running away from you

CaveAdullam:
Lol.

Funny enough that book has spent more than a year on my book shelf, I have read only few chapters but was unable to grab the main point. I will find a comfortable time to read it once more for proper understanding.

Thanks.

Do people still have bookshelves in this day and age, hmm? Got rid of my hardcopy library for soft copies, decluttering after adopting the minimalist style
I am interested to know what your objective take of the book is after you've finished back to back reading it

CaveAdullam:
Looooooooool. You will know very soon classic specimen of a human being.

Ooooookaaaay ooo, we shall wait and see then

CaveAdullam:
How are you sir?

We are well, my dear sir. So is it true that you recently got to know about "The Midas Touch: A Balanced Approach to Biblical Prosperity" book by Kenneth E. Hagin, hmm?

CaveAdullam:
X

Who are you kissing with that X

generationz:
Two men?

Oh no, my bad, it actually is four men. It's being a long, long, long, long time ago, and I meant to type four men approched him. I think the man, James Eugene Ewing, infamously known as God's ghostwriter was among one of the four men that visited him.

generationz:
Did he ever mention this?

Yes, he mentioned it to this one time childhood friend of his, a woman, by the name Trisha O'Connor, who I'll soon be mentioning and talking more of in relation to Benny Hinn as we go below. He told Trish, that four men came into the shoe store he was then working in, anointed him and gave him the sparkling white jacket to be wearing, just like the same one, he on TV, flings at people whacking them with it, and having them fall down, like as if, they're falling bowling game set hit with a ball, and so the era of him wearing white suits began, that even Oyakhilome at one time copied Benny Hinn's style of faked/staged miracles, wearing white suit etcetera too

Now, generationz, quickly grab a cup of tea and munchies because here we go, as I lift up the lid, and reveal somethings, like other info about Benny Hinn, not easily found on surface public domain

To start with, though he claims to be Jewish, not many know that Benny Hinn, formerly known as Toufik Benedictus "Benny" Hinn, is Palestinian. His parents were born in Palestine, with Greek, Palestinian and Armenian heritage.

Benny Hinn's dad, being a Palestinian in an occupied country, decided to, after the 1967 Arab–Israeli War (i.e. ''The Six-Day War'') emigrate the family to Canada as refugees for being Palestinians. The refugeed Hinn family, then settled down in Ontario, where Benny Hinn was assigned a young girl of similar age like him, called Trisha O'Connor or Trish, to learn English from her. The young childhood Benny Hinn friend girl Trish, being a believer, of course shared Jesus with Benny during the time he was taught English in the ESL classes he took with Tisha being a volunteer teacher (i.e. ESL means "English As a Second Language" classes) It has to be mentioned that she and Benny also used to work together in an ice cream shop when young.

generationz, hin don tay wey yansh don be for fowl back ooo, lol. Do you know that this same Trish, that knew Benny from way back when he first emigrated to Canada, was aware, as early and as far back as 1976, that Benny Hinn was dancing with the devil. Trish, is on record, saying that she was present at Benny Hinn's first performance, as that is what she calls and knows it to be, a performance. She said it was an event with around 250 attending people where Benny Hinn was claiming to train pastors on how to bring and/or acquire the "Shekinah Glory " that she approached Benny Hinn on the stage before the day event started to warn him, but she only managed to say "Benny ...", after which Benny pushed her away and saying "Not now Trish. I am with the Holy Spirit" So Trish now replied back, defensively by saying "I am with the Holy Spirit too and I've got to tell you something here" but she said before she could begin to say anything further, Benny just literally and physically pushed her aside, at which she said she felt so rejected and so never got the chance to say to him that what he is doing is here is wrong. This is the same Benny Hinn, who on live TV broadcast, said, he saw a man before his eyes turn into a snake and 2000 people saw this alongside him, lol. Benny with his barefaced lies just always makes me laff. With Benny Hinn everything he says somehow leads and always will lead to a dollar note, a leopard can't/doesn't change its spots. The love of money is the root of all his evils.

generationz:
I would like to see the exposé

I am sure you would love to lol and you've just seen or read a bit from the above. We have been on this man's case and his numerous cohorts, here on NL, a long long long long time ago

generationz:
Yep.
I was told it they hindered it from being a best seller.

https://www.nairaland.com/1957135/midas-touch-balanced-approach-biblical
It was a best seller. Nobody hindered "The Midas Touch- A Balanced Approach To Biblical Prosperity - by Kenneth Hagin" book. In fact you can see from the above almost 105 page thread link, how we rated the book highly and at same time, couldnt help wondered what the reason was why Papa Hagin wrote a book that didnt have a feel of genuiness, truthfulness and sincerity about it, as it fell short. It was a disappointment, as it failed to reach a standard that is expected, this is because in the book, as in, towards the end, Papa Hagin still clung on to some relics of WoF teaching

generationz:
Did you hear about it?

generationz, you'll soon be asking, if hes heard or knew the Pope is Catholic

CaveAdullam:
Nope.
There is nothing anyone can do about the truth, the truth will always prove itself in the passage of time.

By the special Grace of the Almighty God, many Christians are now seeking the Lord Jesus Christ not through their pastor, church, peers or parents but by the comfort and help of the Holy Spirit.

A time is coming, those ministers that are obstinate and are not willing to make a turn to a positive change together with their false associates and pastorpreneurs, will be relegated to their various hometowns after returning all they have stolen by deceit and pressure.

It's just a matter of Time!!!

Happy Sunday.

God bless.

Benny Hinn, needs to go the whole way, dont stop at prosperity gospel but also admit the false hopes, all the fake and/or staged healing sessions he took part in

Why this double post again

Double post

AntiMCU:
What's your view on this tithing of a thing.

Personally, I believe in freewill giving: as you're led by the spirit.

The only tithes to God are:
1) the Levitical tithe aka Mosaic Law tithe, which are given to the priest (e.g. Levite)
and
2) the Abraham type of tithe, given to a priest cum king (i.e. Melchizedek)
- see #3 below

Other tithes in a secular world context (i.e. tenth, 1/10, 10% and possibly 0.1) are given
1) at pagan temples to priest(s) (note extra biblical references will be provided upon request, same with #3 below)
2) Upon the king's demand's (note bible references will be provided upon request)
3) to local ruler cum priest worthy of the consideration, after taking up arms, go to fight and winning battle fight(s) or war

1) There is obligatory tithe imposed by the Mosaic law (i.e. the Levitical tithe also known as the Mosaic Law tithe)
2) There is obligatory tithe imposed by the christian gatherings law
(i.e. ecclesiastical tithe, where christian gatherings, taxes its members tenth, 1/10, 10% and possibly 0.1 too, of their financial income)
3) There is obligatory tithe imposed by custom law (i.e. Abraham's tithing was done, due to the social setting of that time)
4) There is obligatory tithe imposed by monarchy law (i.e. tenth of seed and of vineyards, given to the king's officials and servants)

Now, there is another, which is voluntary tithe,
The nuance in this sort of tithe or tithing, is that it isn't imposed by the Mosaic law, not by christian gatherings law or by any custom law
It so happens or occurs, when FREELY, one DECIDES to GIVE, a tenth of one's financial standing, as a form of contribution or donation toward's Kingdom purposes, aid or means

In fact, it's tithing subtle difference, is that, it is NOT obligatory or imposed

Bible writers and God use the terms, tenth and tithe interchangeably. So if I voluntarily give 10%, a tenth or 10 out 100 of my money contribution or donation toward's Kingdom purposes, aid or means, I technically then, have given a tithe. Considering that it is not a taxed, obligatory or imposition tithe, then I am free, to go ahead giving the tenth also called tithe.

All tithes or tithings, are a form of giving, but NOT all giving are a tenth, tithe or tithing, this is because the giving could more or less than a tenth, tithe or tithing

The Bible's message today for believers, is about a revolutionary way of giving, where believers are instructed or urged as in 2 Corinthians 9:7 above

Giving could be 50% today, as in 50% equals half of your money. Giving could be 10% next month, as in 10% equals a tithe, tenth, or 10 out 100 of your money (i.e. voluntary tithe, voluntarily giving 10%) Giving could be 100% following month, as in 100%, equals all of your money. Giving could be 0% following month after, as in 0%, equals zero goes out of your salary/wages/savings money. You could decide to give 1% month following after, as in 1%, equals 1 out 100 of your money

The giving cycle is not fixed, it might repeat or not repeat itself. How much you give, changes according to the ammount or percentage, you willingly decide to give

It is the freedom, to give whatever you're comfortable with cheerfully. This sort of giving regardless of the percentages is desirable and not obligatory or enforced. Without stipulating amounts you are to give, you're are being trusted to know, to do the 3 right things, as shown in 2 Corinthians 9:7, namely: 1/ decide how much, 2/ don't give reluctantly or in response to pressure and 3/ give cheerfully

You must each decide in your heart how much to give.
And don't give reluctantly or in response to pressure.
(i.e. you shouldn't be sorry that you gave or feel forced to give)
"For God loves a person who gives cheerfully."
- 2 Corinthians 9:7

It is obligatory, taxed or imposed tithing that Christians cannot tithe. This is because kind of tithing, is dead with the law and believers are not obligated to perform any form of imposed tithing

Anyone giving imposed tithing is practising a religion, that God our Father doesnt accept as pure and faultless. Correctively, the Bible teaches the "church" the revolutionary way of giving, where believers are instructed or urged in 2 Corinthians 9:7 above, to do

2 Corinthians 9:7, by the way actually, is a rehashed principle God HAS always endorsed,
as evident in Exodus 25:2, Exodus 35:29, Deuteronomy 15:10 & 1 Chronicles 29:9

I am sorry to say, there is an awful lot of empty rhetoric written about tithing on most threads and I believe the reason is due to the low understanding of the meaning "no one knew Melchizedek birth or death" because of a low understanding of why it was Melchizedek, Abraham opted to give the spoils of war tithe to, because of a low understanding of the customary law behind the tithe Abraham gave and lastly but not the least because of a low understanding of the circumstances of how the Levi got given the office of the priesthood. Yep lots of low understandings.

There you will bring your burnt offerings, your sacrifices, your tithes,
your sacred offerings, your offerings to fulfill a vow, your voluntary offerings,
and your offerings of the firstborn animals of your herds and flocks.
- Deuteronomy 12:6

Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings.
- Malachi 3:8

Of course, tithing is not offering, if it was, there wont be a distinction btween them, in Deuteronomy 12:6 and Malachi 3:8. Tithing, especially taxed, mandatory or obligatory tithe, DOES NOT give you security against satan. Even voluntary tithing doesnt do that. It is placing yourselves under God's authority and resisting satan, that is the security against satan and/or is the security for satan running away from you

And the land which I gave Abraham and Isaac, to thee I will give it, and to thy seed after thee will I give the land.
- Genesis 35:12

And the LORD said unto him,
This is the land which I sware unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, saying,
I will give it unto thy seed: I have caused thee to see it with thine eyes, but thou shalt not go over thither.
- Deuteronomy 34:4

Jacob did not tithe. Jacob did not tithe because it was going to be, the Israelite that wasn't born yet, who will do and actually ended up doing the tithing. The seed from which the Israelites came was in Jacob's body. It is this seed 430 years plus later, who will take up arms, go to fight and winning battle fight(s) or war to acquire and have the land

It is interesting to note that the format of how the tithe vow will be claimed by God took a different turn because of the Israelite's flagrant and offending golden calf misbehaviour

It was under the then present circumstances, that Jesus says to tithe, He never said to tithe after. The way to know this is from the Greek original word, "die", used in Matthew 23:23, that means, it is necessary, that they tithe but when that necessity is over, that duty or responsibility for them to do tithe, is no longer required

No principle of faith about tithing or to tithe was revealed through Abraham. Abraham, simply was following a Mesopotamia era custom practice that needed to be carried after successful win(s) of fighting a battle or war

Jesus, in Matthew 23:23, wasnt and didnt say give ecclesiastical tithe. Ecclesiastical tithe, is where a christian gathering, taxes its members tenth, 1/10, 10% and/or possibly 0.1 too, of their financial income. This is not a giving led by the Spirit, but one imposed and/or enforced by organised churches

TV01:
... However, again, I still don't have a sense of my questions being directly addressed.
As well as considering divine revelation claims at the level of canon, there is also a suggestion that the written canon is somehow distinct to the Holy Spirit?

2 Timothy 3:16- All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness,

The Holy Spirit leads us primarily into the truth of the scripture He inspired. It's illumination of the scriptures unto a revelation of our Lord Jesus Christ.

As I stated, individuals can adopt any position they feel led too - however or by whatever led. This does not answer how the body of Christ is supposed to verify and test claims.

There is clear scriptural direction and instruction, as well as structure and order - inspired and illuminated by the Holy Spirit. Why would we not expect the Holy Spirit to provide illumination first via the scripture He breathed?

2 Peter 1:20 knowing this first, that no prophecy of Scripture is of any private interpretation, for prophecy never came by the will of man, but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit

How counter-intuitive is it to say we take all non-canonical revelations and then ask the Holy Spirit if they are true or not and, to do so as individuals, when the Holy Spirit inspired scriptures with clear guidance are with us. Is God the author of confusion or the kind disarray this will surely lead to?

I believe I have spoken to this repeatedly above

So God sends those He knows will teach error - so how do we know there is no error that has been canonised? Why can we not be told by some that parts of scripture are wrong, outdated or to be overturned, as indeed some do?

Still on the bolded, even the early church had its controversies, where one of the appointed deacons in Acts - Nicolas went on to propagate the doctrine of the Nicolaitans which Jesus warned strongly against in Revelation 2. Guess what, in Acts 6 v 4-6: the early church chose Nicolas amongst the 7, and the Apostles laid hands and prayed on them (Nicolas inclusive). I have studied the Nicolaitian heresy, however, it does not speak to my posers - and how was the heresy forestalled?

First, the Spirit breathed scriptures are always the first and foremost standard for the body. Secondly, your stance on this thread has been anything but neutral, which is why I had questions for you, as you have been clear on your position, which is admirable.

As noted, I have. I does not teach that heresy is countered by individual recourse to the Holy Spirit

I have spoken to this

Then perhaps illumination is required. Contrast that scripture with this;

Matthew 7:21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’


Firstly, the ultimate standard of the Spirit of God remains the scriptures He breathed, not individual claims of divine revelation. Especially for the body as a whole and moreso for matters wholly captured in scripture.

So, two people, who claim divine revelation, who your spirit bears witness to, make contradictory revelatory claims (revelations which you claim are essentially canonical) there is the possibility of error? Error which the Holy Spirit will clear up given time? if the contradictions are attested to by scripture?

Cheers
TV

You know you've "entered one chance" when again, you still don't have a sense of your questions being directly addressed

TV01:
... However, again, I still don't have a sense of my questions being directly addressed.
As well as considering divine revelation claims at the level of canon, there is also a suggestion that the written canon is somehow distinct to the Holy Spirit?

2 Timothy 3:16- All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness,

The Holy Spirit leads us primarily into the truth of the scripture He inspired. It's illumination of the scriptures unto a revelation of our Lord Jesus Christ.

As I stated, individuals can adopt any position they feel led too - however or by whatever led. This does not answer how the body of Christ is supposed to verify and test claims.

There is clear scriptural direction and instruction, as well as structure and order - inspired and illuminated by the Holy Spirit. Why would we not expect the Holy Spirit to provide illumination first via the scripture He breathed?

2 Peter 1:20 knowing this first, that no prophecy of Scripture is of any private interpretation, for prophecy never came by the will of man, but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit

How counter-intuitive is it to say we take all non-canonical revelations and then ask the Holy Spirit if they are true or not and, to do so as individuals, when the Holy Spirit inspired scriptures with clear guidance are with us. Is God the author of confusion or the kind disarray this will surely lead to?

I believe I have spoken to this repeatedly above

So God sends those He knows will teach error - so how do we know there is no error that has been canonised? Why can we not be told by some that parts of scripture are wrong, outdated or to be overturned, as indeed some do?

Still on the bolded, even the early church had its controversies, where one of the appointed deacons in Acts - Nicolas went on to propagate the doctrine of the Nicolaitans which Jesus warned strongly against in Revelation 2. Guess what, in Acts 6 v 4-6: the early church chose Nicolas amongst the 7, and the Apostles laid hands and prayed on them (Nicolas inclusive). I have studied the Nicolaitian heresy, however, it does not speak to my posers - and how was the heresy forestalled?

First, the Spirit breathed scriptures are always the first and foremost standard for the body. Secondly, your stance on this thread has been anything but neutral, which is why I had questions for you, as you have been clear on your position, which is admirable.

As noted, I have. I does not teach that heresy is countered by individual recourse to the Holy Spirit

I have spoken to this

Then perhaps illumination is required. Contrast that scripture with this;

Matthew 7:21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’


Firstly, the ultimate standard of the Spirit of God remains the scriptures He breathed, not individual claims of divine revelation. Especially for the body as a whole and moreso for matters wholly captured in scripture.

So, two people, who claim divine revelation, who your spirit bears witness to, make contradictory revelatory claims (revelations which you claim are essentially canonical) there is the possibility of error? Error which the Holy Spirit will clear up given time? if the contradictions are attested to by scripture?

Cheers
TV

You know you've "entered one chance" when again, you still don't have a sense of your questions being directly addressed

petra1:
The fact that he condemned demand of $1,000 for TV programme sponsorship doesn't change the fact that it's important for Christian's to give for the work of God . Pls dont misquote him to fight your war.

The bible is very clear that giving must be done according to faith of individual.

2Co 9:6 — 2Co 9:7
But this I say, He which soweth sparingly shall reap also sparingly; and he which soweth bountifully shall reap also bountifully. Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver

Secondly for those who said he should return money . I dont get you . You dont seem to get him. He was making reference to TBN broadcast . They do telethon yearly which is a special broadcast to raise money for TBN network. That's when they call for people to give $1,000.
But since he started broadcast with pastor Chris on loveworld USA . They only allow people to give as they are led . And he said the culture of the other TV station which place demand on specific amount Is not right . Now some even give more and others give less . Everyone is free to give

Maestro21:
I have read delusional people online who said they are the ones who even preached to him. I laughed. Pastor Benny has come out to say he started thinking down this line 2 or 3 years ago. People who can discern will know the recent influence he came in contact with in that time span. He has done 2 shows now telling people exactly what he was referring to which is exactly what you have above.

MuttleyLaff:
What we see here is the general lack of will to preach and teach voluntary giving

What is satanic is sidestepping, over stepping and overlooking the poor and needy, instead giving to already rich people
It is wrong to sow ideas to believers that if you dont comply ecclesiastical monitised tithe tax giving, financial misfortune shall befall them

Why dont we use Oshogbo as a faith test case?
Teach for about three months, on the principle of giving, bar ecclesiastical monitised tithe tax giving
Teach on caring response to need giving
and see how the reliance on ecclesiastical monitised tithe tax giving, will turn out to have all along been a false idea and/or belief
Further see how Yahweh Jirer will provide from voluntary giving

Voluntary giving has no inducement, no baits, no carrots, no fear tactics
It simply is, decide in your heart what really excites you to give
Don't give reluctantly or in response to pressure
You shouldn't be sorry that you gave or feel forced to give

What good are wings without the courage to fly
Petra1 do you think Oshogbo can go wrong, with this leap of faith?
Petra1 do you think embracing this superior principle of giving is not good enough for Oshogbo?
Petra1, be like a tree, let the dead leaves drop

There is no stick in Luke 6:38 and 2 Corinthians 9:6
There is no curse, no threat in Luke 6:38 and 2 Corinthians 9:6 but just plain good old teaching
There is no mention in Luke 6:38 and 2 Corinthians 9:6 of a fixed regular percentage or ecclesiastical monitised tithe tax giving

"¹Now I want you to know, dear brothers and sisters, what God in his kindness has done through the churches in Macedonia.
²They are being tested by many troubles, and they are very poor. But they are also filled with abundant joy, which has overflowed in rich generosity.
³For I can testify that they gave not only what they could afford, but far more. And they did it of their own free will.
⁴They begged us again and again for the privilege of sharing in the gift for the believersb in Jerusalem.
⁵They even did more than we had hoped, for their first action was to give themselves to the Lord and to us, just as God wanted them to do.
⁶So we have urged Titus, who encouraged your giving in the first place, to return to you and encourage you to finish this ministry of giving.
⁷Since you excel in so many ways—in your faith, your gifted speakers, your knowledge, your enthusiasm, and your love from us
—I want you to excel also in this gracious act of giving.
⁸I am not commanding you to do this. But I am testing how genuine your love is by comparing it with the eagerness of the other churches.
⁹You know the generous grace of our Lord Jesus Christ. Though he was rich, yet for your sakes he became poor, so that by his poverty he could make you rich.
¹⁰Here is my advice: It would be good for you to finish what you started a year ago. Last year you were the first who wanted to give, and you were the first to begin doing it.
¹¹Now you should finish what you started. Let the eagerness you showed in the beginning be matched now by your giving. Give in proportion to what you have.
¹²Whatever you give is acceptable if you give it eagerly. And give according to what you have, not what you don’t have.
¹³Of course, I don’t mean your giving should make life easy for others and hard for yourselves. I only mean that there should be some equality.
¹⁴Right now you have plenty and can help those who are in need. Later, they will have plenty and can share with you when you need it. In this way, things will be equal.
¹⁵As the Scriptures say,
“Those who gathered a lot had nothing left over,
and those who gathered only a little had enough.”
- 2 Corinthians 8:1-15 NLT

Each of you should give whatever you have decided.
You shouldn't be sorry that you gave or feel forced to give, since God loves a cheerful giver.
- 2 Corinthians 9:7

There is a sucker born every minute to prey on or pray for,
and that is what people who peddle these kind of misleading information rely on

Why not acquaint members with all these financial responsibilities
and teach them about the principle of Generous & Cheerful Giving as found in 2 Corinthians 8:1-15 & 2 Corinthians 9:7
I doubt whether at all 2 Corinthians 8:12-13 is ever taken notice off"
- Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by MuttleyLaff: 11:30pm On Jan 22, 2017

Wtf, where's the faith, all along to be doing this non induced voluntary giving before, hmm?

generationz:
I'm sad that Benny hinn is just coming up to say this after so many years. Quite laudable because his friends wouldn't be happy with him for this confession

I am pleased that he slowly but surely is coming out because better late than never, besides he has a lot more confessing to do, as would be noticed from what follows below

generationz:
I have discovered that the truth been preached from alters isn't straight

Many people have left the church abandoned God altogether because pastor told them God was a money doubler or bet naija shop owner. Sow your salary and reap a billion dollars. Like say na so e dey work. These men would preach these feel good messages but indoors they read, research, pray, fall, rise, network etc, to rise.

But they won't tell you everything as e dey go.
Igbokwe the rice seller has been deceived that once you sow large seeds or pay your tithe everything has been solved. Rufus the student in school believes being a church worked and praying guarantees his A's in class.

No teaching that self improvement and development is the key to mastery.

Igbokwe doesn't know that to be the biggest distributor he has to employ tools other than the spiritual to be better than his competitors.

Later when Non Christians excel better than Christians , baby Christians become dissolutioned and leave the church. They don't understand that even a christian has to live balanced life.

You will not become prime minister of Egypt because your pastor said it and you screamed the loudest amen or sow your salary. You will become one because apart from it being your "destiny" to be one, because you spent over 12 years in a managerial position. You learnt the intricacies of how to manage a home despite being a foreigner and not having previous experience.

By blood sweat and tears you became so good that your boss left you to be in charge. Plus you were so honest. I mean who can find such an honest man like you.

You didn't just become an good dream intepreter at age 30. No you had to first learn , learn from your own dreams. You first forray into this experience was when you shared your first big dream with your brothers. The drama, suffering and hatred that followed taught you never to shared your dreams and visions with others till you trust them.

From interpreting your own dreams you were able to interpret your friends dreams .Then by the time you stood before a king it was easy peasy. You seemed like a god but no one knew all the years of suffering and heart ache that went into gaining such mastery.

What of Moses who's forty years "wasted life" in the wilderness was him learning the intricacies of priesthood from his father in law. He first learnt the intricacies of leadership from the royal family that adopted him .

Of course he didn't know and you too dont know. That's why when your pastor screams "You will go from prison to palace" you shout amen and sow. Instead of you to ask yourself "Am I ready"? Do I have what it takes to lead? Lord please help with the required tools for leadership so I don't disgrace your name and myself.

This is why there is so much corruption in Nigeria. People don't believe merit anymore. No more mastery. We all want to share testimony of how pastor said it and God did it. Miracles happen but a real Christian will know the things he must put effort.

The spirit of wisdom wouldn't have worked if Daniel wasn't reading and spending "alone time" praying and trying to decipher Gods purpose
while his friends where eating the kings meal. Forget all the bragging of your pastors they are still sometimes faithless , confused and nearly give up just like you Mr. entrepreneur, student or employee.

Mastery is a tough road to walk on. Years later, Daniel went from just being an intelligent young man to predicting things that will happen over two thousand years from his time.
Back to Benny Hinn

As someone who has gained so much insight from his books I love him. But recently, I have been watching him with corner eye. The kind of people Benny Hinn has been associating with for some years now for money, power and recognition....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9SS95q2kpg


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOWKEyz6cNM

"You're doing yourself a great disservice skimming through that FYI

This thread is not about personalities but more of "shine your eyes welu welu" if not its "last chance saloon" situation then.

It isn't really about the contemporary men around us but is more about how they came about their teachings, practices, doctrine (i.e. what or where is the origin)
The "WOF talks" already is showing where and how the contemporary men around us got influenced or indoctrinated by "relics and largely unknown people"

It is from the "relics and largely unknown people" that some contemporary men around us learned:
- to build universities and become chancellors of such universities
- to set up and practice healing rooms or schools
- [color=#000000]to wear white suits albeit the international and our own local one don't anymore[/color]
- to pursue acquiring private jets
- to be vainglory and puffed up in biggest/largest building(s) in the world
- to merchandise, personalise etc the Gospel
- to acquire bodyguards and/or security personnel
- to etc etc"
- Excerpt from 2014 post

generationz, you my sister recently, have been watching him with the corner eye. The kind of people Benny Hinn has been associating with for some years now for money, power and recognition, but we have been on Benny Hinn's & Co case a long, long, long, lol, long time ago. I remember, a post I uploaded years ago, when we did an exposé on the cartel he is associated with, then I detailed, how Benny Hinn overnight changed for the "bad," after getting approached by two men, then started wearing white suits after the meeting with the two men, who promised him financial riches, fame and power.

This is just the tip of a big and submerged iceberg, as slowly but surely Benny Hinn has more to confess and explain a lot all more, like for example, explain what he was playing at with that "amazing anointing reeking holy ghost" white jacket in the above clips, where he was using it as a zapping rod and flinging it forcefully at innocent and gullible people or he even needs to try explain what exactly he was telling them to drink in

double post

CaveAdullam:
Are you talking about the book Midas Touch by Kenneth Hangin?

Yes

Mariangeles:
I hope you're here for a good purpose ....

By the grace and power of the Living and Almighty Abba Father God

generationz:
When they say read well before talking Nigerians won't and they will say people shouldn't call them lazy.

First of all

I don't do my father or papa
I take whatever teaching I can from any pastor I admire and the ones I don't agree with I discard. I only attend winners for the sake of going to church.

Everything you typed is gospel truth, powerful and at same time poignant Poignant because most penterascals have seen the gospel to be a meal ticket and accordingly used it so.

Eating well is a form of self-respect. Watch the teaching and what you eat. Not many can eat any of those and be sanely the same again. If you know you cant eat the straw without spitting out the stick then be careful of what you eat and what teaching you take, else you'll become what you eat or worse

Repentance is not a religious practice imposed on us through fearful, money devourer scaremongering stories told to make the hearers feel worried or frightened, but repentance is the act of exchanging the lie that holds us captive, for the truth that sets us free

generationz:
I believe you are a Christ embassy member and will defend your Chris oyakhilome at any cost.

Well that man preached heresy.
Even if the snipet was said before they divorced you and I know the wife clearly said the marriage had fallen apart a long time.

He said she was not submissive and she said he was emotionally distant. That message he preached was clearly attacking her from a bitter biased mind of his.

About saying he has two daughters broda I want to ask you are you a learner?

Don't people swear with their life they don't do one thing only to disguise to do it? Don't people tell you they are pastors and end up defrauding you?

Whether you agree with me or not that's your problem not mine.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsYEiYUP_OI

"Of course, the shoes has been pinching his feet since around and before 2007. Cracks were already showing in his rocky marriage. He couldnt and didnt know how to handle this badass strong, successful, powerful and intelligent virtuous woman of a wife he had. He was at wits end, that is why he had to resort to misinterpreting the Bible, like, saying husband in the Bible means master, when what it means is man, like a woman having a man, as in, a husband. That was lie #1.

Then he went on to further goof that, woman was not part of God's original plan. Lie #2 and what a big fat heresy.

He moved on to then indirectly taking swipe at his wife's father. Codely saying the father didnt train the wife how to relate with her husband. Oyakhilome, was preaching about what he was dealing with at home. There is no two ways about it.

His missus, now ex wife saw through his bullshits, absurdity, irrationality and heresies. That is why she left him"
- Religion / Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome: Woman Was Not God's Original Idea (video) by MuttleyLaff: 8:34pm On Jul 12

"You are still bent on embarrassing yourself further by taking delight in being an ignoranus, hmm? I guess you're a glutton for embarrassment, erhn? [color=#000000]Oyaks, is a pastor preaching to himself. Preaching sermons in codes, about himself and whats going down in his marital life. The shoe has being pinching his toes sotay, long time, before the shoe got taken off

All men are created equal, then a few become glorified firemen, like Maestro21 putting out fire for Oyakhilome[/color]

Oyakhilome is advocating elitism. Suck it up

In his teaching Oyaks is looking for a yes-woman, a weak person wife, who always will agree with the president and founder of Christ Embassy church, Chris Oyakhilome, the superior at work and master at home.

Listen Maestro21, man and woman, might have different roles to play and its true their roles might be different, but their rights are equal.

Of course, the man is the head, no one is disputing that, but the woman is the neck too, and she, as the neck, can within good reason(s), turn the head, whichever way she pleases. Maestro21, man doesnt need to or have to demand submissiveness of his wife, because this has to come naturally by the woman's own volition and not by hook or by crook methods, like the ones preached by the president and founder of Christ Embassy church, Chris Oyakhilome.

Maestro21, if you let your head get too big, it'll break your neck and he who waits for the sword to fall upon his neck, will surely lose his head. This is why its advised to cover and protect our wives. Husbands, are to love their wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave Himself up for her.

Unlike Oyaks and probably you too Maestro21 included, everyone knows that when a husband puts his foot down on the neck, he develops a stiff neck, that will likely drive him insane. When a husband breaks the neck, he eats no more. Husbands should try neck kisses, as nobody is immune to the neck kiss, but oohh no, Oyaks is too spiritual for that"
- Religion / Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome: Woman Was Not God's Original Idea (video) by Maestro21: 5:14pm On Jul 14

"For it is the time for the judgment to have begun from the house of God;
and if from us first, what will be the outcome of those disobeying the gospel of God?"
- 1 Peter 4:17

VBCampaign, knows he can rely on me to type an objective tell it as it is, comment, to his write-ups.

I find it grating when those who should know better, start asking questions wanting to know the reason for you being critical of this and that Christian denomination. Some even go to the length of claiming one insults and castigates every preacher, that insults are hauled on pastors who are at helms of prominent fellowships, and disregarding them being seniors, but when they point their bony little wagging finger to say something in those lines, I think to myself, what planet are they living in or what rock/stone are they under living? Arent they aware of 1 Peter 4:17 above ni? Dont they know that Jesus is not coming back to the Church that isn't without spot or wrinkle ni? Most, the likes of Biodun Fatoyinbo, [color=#000000]Chris Oyakhilome, David Oyedepo[/color], Enoch Adeboye and a host of other pastors in Nigerian Pentecostal churches, if not already Pharisees, are increasingly becoming and behaving like a Pharisee, trying to entrap and trip up people, craving for and/or coveting the widows' mites. They are the the 21st century equivalent of the biblical Pharisees. Aside needing deliverance of this 21st century Pharisaical spirit inside, they each and all need the occasional kick up the jacksie, where the sun dont shine, for getting all the priorities wrong. "
- Religion / Re: A Tale Of Two Conversions By Deji Yesufu by MuttleyLaff: 7:16pm On Jul 14

My sister, just like Oyaks, I wont keep a dog and bark myself, but have you, just as in above clip, noticed that dogs with the loudest barks, usually are the ones most afraid, hmm?

budaatum:
First, strawman. That's what your proposition is. And I'm saying it first before you can.

"It is POSSIBLE that the Bible was written entirely by superstitious men imagining God", though I very much doubt it since the Bible actually comes from the post era when the 'bibles' were written by "superstitious men imagining God". Or have you no knowledge of the more superstitiously conceived Greek, Roman, Egyptian and Yoruba gods, to mention a few, who were the imaginings of the superstitious?

The Bible is a product of a post era of imaginings of the superstitious and and was in fact the cause of the death of the more superstitious writings about Zeus and co, being more rational thought than the superstitious era that preceeded it - a fact overlooked by many especially those who are ignorant of history or missed it in the Bible where they would have observed the exact same evolution of the wrathful jealous destroying YHWH to the loving compassionate Jesus Christ.

So therefore, consider proposition (buda 1):

"It is POSSIBLE that the Bible was written entirely by rational people to explain gods to superstitious people".

Can you deny this proposition? Can you prove it wrong?

In their own respective way of looking/thinking at the Bible, I completely agree with both budaatum and joseph1013

GraGra247:
You simply and ignorantly buttressed my fact by the Bible verses you quoted.

Hmm, now I am beginning to understand the concept behind the meaning of your moniker ID.

GraGra247:
He called her WOMAN and not MOTHER.

He called he woman, an ordinary common word used to address so many ordinary common females all through the Bible.

He simply showed everyone Mary is not a deity and certainly not the MOTHER OF GOD.

"When Jesus therefore saw His mother, and the disciple standing by, whom he loved, he saith unto his mother, Woman, behold thy son!"
- John 19:26

So when Jesus, in John 8:10-11 and Luke 13:12 called the other two females woman, was He, simply showing everyone they too are not deities and certainly not the MOTHER OF GOD too, hmm?

Can you imagine the effect it would have had on Mary, if at that moment of His last dying hours, in John 19:26 above, when Jesus was handing Mary over to and in the care John, He had used the word mother instead of "woman" (i.e. an honorific title), hmm? Mary, technically and by virtue of birthing and nurtured Jesus, is the Mother of God. This cant be denied her, nor taking aware from her, it is more the reason she was addressed by the angel who came unto her in Luke 1:28 & 48, and said, "Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women"

"Well the Bishop is not perfect (no one is actually)."
- Religion / Re: African Church Leaders Like David Oyedepo Are Spiritually Bankrupt. by Acidosis(m): 7:16am On Sep 05

"Haven't you put a protective fence around him, his home, and everything he has?
(i.e. the protective fence/hedge, until when it was temporarily removed, made the blessings of Job secure)
You have blessed everything he does. His cattle have spread out over the land.
- Job 1:10

Acidọsis, well said and an overall mature post you have there."
- Religion / Re: African Church Leaders Like David Oyedepo Are Spiritually Bankrupt. by MuttleyLaff: 8:52pm On Sep 05

"Did you see anywhere where Job tithed? So his blessing was not secured. You can’t find anywhere where Job tithed. No… He was overly committed to giving liberally to the poor, and God is committed to blessing, but there was no security. Whoa Halelluia… If you ask the devil, one of his greatest problems on this earth today is a short man (Oyedepo pointing to himself) If I am not smart to secure my life, he will devastate me, but he can’t reach me. We.., I serve a covenant keeping God, I will rebuke…."
- Bishop Oyedepo
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