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Preciousgirl:
Please explain

People use Florida water for different or varied reasons. If you tell why you want to use Florida water and what for, then I gladly will easily explain why I wouldnt recommend nor advise patronising Florida water and the obvious and unbecoming reason(s)

Preciousgirl:
Is it good for a Christian to use Florida water?

I wouldnt recommend nor advise patronising Florida water, and that's for obvious and unbecoming reason(s)

Ranchhoddas:
I said something about experience and research.
Wisdom is attained by work of course. Even Solomon had to make a great sacrifice before he got the chance to ask for wisdom.

What is your own understanding of God?

What sort of education?
Do you have a specific kind in mind?
Buda this thread has gone on for two weeks. When are you disbursing the £££

Some people, when about money, are excessively more tight-arsed than a virgin gay's person butt-hole

johnydon22:
Ok. How is this different from taking red wine or any other type of wine as holy communion?

I need to understand that

There isn't anything to understand about red wine or anything other type of wine taken as holy communion because in the first place and/or first instance, it isn't alcoholic wine or fermented wine that was given to the disciples by Jesus in that room on that night

peggywebbs:
Read your bible and see how Jesus did communion. And he said do this as often as you can in rememberance of me. Which means copy exactly as it is..he took bread and broke it and wine to his disciples. The blood is the remembrance of the new convenant that Christ died for our sins, the bread is to remember his flesh that was pierced. People neglect the word of God and just do what they want

People don't realise it was never alcoholic wine that Jesus served the disciples. It certainly wasn't alcoholic wine that Jesus promised to again drink

budaatum:
One barrier to coming up with the right answer, in this case, is the lack of use of personal experience. For some reason, many ignore their experience and disregard it's place where Wisdom is concerned. Instead of considering how Wisdom is acquired, most are like you, the Holy Spirit will bring it down from heaven like manna.

"Now if any of you lacks wisdom, he should ask God--who gives to all generously and ungrudgingly--and it will be given to him"
- James 1:5

budaatum:
You toil not but expect to eat despite the Lord thy God specifically [url=https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis+3%3A17-19&version=NKJV]cursing[/url] that the lazy shall starve to death! Or is it not true anymore that a lack of knowledge is the cause of death?

"⁶Stop being gullible and live. Start traveling the road to understanding."
⁷Whoever corrects a mocker receives abuse. Whoever warns a wicked person gets hurt.
⁸Do not warn a mocker, or he will hate you. Warn a wise person, and he will love you.
⁹Give [advice] to a wise person, and he will become even wiser. Teach a righteous person, and he will learn more.
¹⁰The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom. The knowledge of the Holy One is understanding.
¹¹You will live longer because of me, and years will be added to your life
(i.e. For through wisdom your days will be multiplied, and years will be added to your life)
¹²If you are wise, your wisdom will help you. If you mock, you alone will be held responsible."
- Proverbs 9:6-12

budaatum:
We don't so much "make our intellect God", muttley, for our arrogance won't permit us,

I am 110% quite sure I consciously used "god" and not "God"

budaatum:
it appearing to show us the limits of our puny mind everytime we think too highly of ourselves. Which one of us after all has said, "Let there be light", and light is? What we do is understand God according to our intellect, with the idea of God as conceived by your own intellect different to the same God from the same text as conceived by the intellect of some. Is it not, afterall, the amount of intellectual work to gain an understanding that one has done that makes one's God have abominations and another's God love the abominable?

This is like 7up, the difference is clear between both of them mate.

budaatum:
Is the reason for argument on here not because we all have different understandings of God?

We need to admit to ourselves, that most times, we havent spent enough time thinking about and properly digesting a particular subject of interest before darting off forming opinions about it. The reason for the discussion on here is, with the different levels of understanding of God, some interlocutors, share their own opinions while other interlocutors, appropriately interject, to share facts. The latter state facts and while the former is bent on advancing arguments without knowing the facts.

budaatum:
It is only the evildoer who benefits from the lack of use of intellect, for in the dark called ignorance does it get to promote its evil ways. Those with Intellect, it being the proper use of the senses, the 'science of living', the 'Jesus Christ', might understand that education is the mud that opens the eyes, which without, one can not turn the other cheek.

Intelligence, as I've previously and always have said, is a God given gift. It is given to us, in order that we have the ability, means and power to investigate and thereafter appreciate God and the handiwork wonders of His creation. God has never once feel threatened by our scientific meddlings, tinkerings and adventure(s). Why? Because whatever man gets up to, God still is in control and has everything under wraps.

budaatum:
There was a reason you were excluded from the paypal, muttley. You may refer back to your first answer and perhaps see why. 4 pages later, in a thread of "Thou shalt not create graven images", the lesson remains unlearned.

Its because you feel threatened, you're scared and you're a tight arsed fisted git, lol

budaatum:
Those who understand, as I said, do "not go about creating graven images of God with [their] puny intellect as if it was watching from high on a mountain". "Those who store wealth in moth proof vaults from birth as suggested do not use their stored up wealth to create graven images because they and their intellect serve the Lord."

Correctly put budaatum, they do make no false knowledge, do not make false representation of God, do not advance perverted intelligence about God. Do not paint a false picture of God etcetera

budaatum:
You are not "curious to learn", muttley. You already assume to know it all and are too afraid to learn, and typically, you accuse the twig in my eye with the forest in yours.

No one except for God, is an island of knowledge budaatum. I am yet to meet a man, so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from. Trust me budaatum, there is always inviting room, in my body, mind and soul, to learn more. I am a sucker to learn(ing).

Ranchhoddas:
Even wisdom has its limits it seems.

Whats the wisdom limit in jaywalking across a busy 26-lane highway? What's the wisdom limit in driving your car during operational hours, in BRT lanes in Lagos, hmm?

budaatum:
We do "God is like that, God is like this", according to our own puny minds.
This was you.

"But the Holy Spirit will come and help you, because the Father will send the Spirit to take my place.
The Spirit will teach you everything and will remind you of what I said while I was with you."
- John 14:26

You would have nailed it, if you had typed according to the Teacher. Now here the part, I'll say, dont get it twisted, nothing to do with me and stop that "this was you" malarkey, because it wasnt me

budaatum:
My response is this thread. Anyone wanna work out what the gibberish means yet?

If you all make your intellect as gods, what personality has the god that you've created with your intellect then? Curious to know. I bet its impersonal

budaatum:
And thus, well done, hard working Hoddas Sir,

Really grinding away. The hustle is real. Guess he thinks he needs the dough more than I do, thats why.

budaatum:
did you work out the meaning of לֹא-תַעֲשֶׂה לְךָ פֶסֶל, וְכָל-תְּמוּנָה that came out of the MoG.

^ref

It means make no graven image of God. Make no false knowledge, no perverted intelligence about God. I sussed out the Hebrew from day one, but just left this thread on the back burner to stew until now

budaatum:
Now, with the second in mind, though I confess to yet seeing how specifically loving my Lord my God with all my heart and soul and being, I must add, and mind and my neighbour too, equates to being in receipt of wisdom, still, let it be assumed that all agents are wise though we have not yet clarified how they got wise.

Wisdom is a gift. Wisdom is obtained as a gift. The Giver gives wisdom that people get and wisdom is given for a reason, that being to be productively, correctly and judiciously be used

budaatum:
How much wiseness would be in a wise vault of a wise 40 year old who put in a wise pound every wise month they lived wisely?

40 years symbolises a generation and a fool at 40, is said to be a fool forever. Wisdom, wise pound(s) saved in a vault of a period of 40 years is like being a wasted and jaded generation, because its never used, not invested, is hidden away in a vault, literally amounting to nothing but depreciation, devaluation and reduction in value after the 40 years.

We all are aware that 40 years ago intelligence and/or wisdom, is not necessarily the same as present day intelligence and/or wisdom

budaatum:
The revelation should eliminate the zero wise pound people who make saving seem like devil worship instead of school fees.

Wtf

budaatum:
Why, baba?

Its a word of endearment.

budaatum:
My sleeplessness affects you somehow?

It affects you. Your sleeplessness is affecting the good qualities of your comments

budaatum:
Ignorant people, are the sole problem facing Nigeria.

Tell me something I dont already know

budaatum:
Its so bad, it manifests as a fear of learning with the likes of you favouring sticking your heads in the sand but wanting what those who don't have. Yet, there's the lie. If you had not raised the bar and looked for more knowledge, would you not be stupid?

I dont stick head in sand. Now, if you dont outstretch your hand to take and receive a free gift, would you have the gift, well I dont take pride nor delight in being an ignoranus, so I outstretch my hand to cancel out any chance of being stupid

budaatum:
If you do well, muttley, you too would be blessed as those you envy. Try harder and you'd too will have pride.

I dont envy anyone, had never envied another. Without coming off as sounding self conceited or having false pride, I am a contented and blessed man. I thank God for His Faithfulness, Agape Love and Mercies towards my fam and I. God is Good. Take my advice, go hit the hay.

budaatum:
More like, "brought out a relaxing chair, sun glasses, an umbrella, a stack of vogue magazines and we've kicked back" and died!

"There is nothing that comes from above, that the earth cannot take. All these tactics, that there are hidden games, you dont know about and cant fight, are successfully being used to emasculate and undermine the aspirations of any with visions of seeing or working for, a better Nigeria, on its feet and at full potential

... the journey of a thousand miles began with the first step of educating all the people in Nigeria who are entitled to vote in the election and/or sensitising PVC carrying voters that they have no business of choosing between the devil and the deep blue sea.

Youths can make can make a difference of the outcome of the 2019 February 16th election because more than 60% of Nigeria's population are aged below 25. With political fortitude and if no compromises, the right candidate with clear cut and spelled out digital ideas of how to transform the the country, alleviate poverty, turn the country into a construction site thereby give rise to mass employment, tackle the epileptic power supply problem with 21st century innovative solution etcetera will win but then, if people prefer another 4 years of between the devil and the deep blue sea, well, what more I can say than just, as you lay your bed ...

Who has bewitched us Nigeria?
The elitists and the corruptible biased media outlets who are all indifferent to the hardship, throngs of sufferring, woes and the unfortunate conditions of the common man, have seared their conscience and sold the country and its citizenry down the river.

Nigeria is at a crossroads, at an opportunity watershed moment, where and when we can take our destiny into our own hands, but the youths that ought to know better, the youths that should see visions, arent seeing nada, but, for crumbs on the table and floor, they have camped tent with the elitists and corruptible elements shafting the whole nation. They are pitching tents with those who once they get in power again, will turn blind eyes to acts of stealing the country blind"
- Politics / Re: Ogboru The APC Governorship Candidate Buhari Called 'APC Presidential Candidate' by MuttleyLaff: 7:17am On Jan 18

As you lay your bed, lie in it. I didnt finish my sentence in the above red inverted commas with the "lie in it" last three words before, I have now. Enjoy the change. Mtcheew.

Check my Nairaland Profile portal. Free Sowore now!

budaatum:
Hear this utter ignorance!

As if God did not mean, "do science" when God said "let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals, and over all the creatures that move along the ground". Or can one do any of that by doing what you suggest above.

The key word in there was SOME. Nobi by force to raise peniis nah, nobi by force to be doing night vigil. Baba go and sleep jaare, stop showing yourself up

budaatum:
I don't know where you get your definition of pride from muttley, that makes you think it's a bad thing.

Pride becomes a bad thing budaatum , when it becomes a barrier between the person and God, because focus then shifts on to the perverted gift than the Giver of the original and/or unperverted gift

budaatum:
Are you one of the manna people who wait for intelligence to fall on you from heaven?

You're thinking out of your backside, if you've ever thought I am one of the manna people who wait for intelligence to fall on self from heaven

budaatum:
I wonder, by the way, if your yadayada isn't a pride thing. It would be typical of those who pervert their gift.

You're using and looking with the wrong end of the telescope mate and have come online in the wee hours typing nothing that makes sense

budaatum:
Do know that If we derived our pride from being stupid, we might have asked for that instead, but we value and derive immense pride and satisfaction from intelligence that we ask God for it always and God forbid we be not be proud that the Lord God Almighty would one day answer our prayers.

I have bumped into quite a few interlocutors who take pride and delight in being ignoranuses

budaatum:
As to our perversions. By our fruits, they say, shall we be known.

"¹⁵ Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves.
¹⁶ You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles?
¹⁷ Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit."
- Matthew 7:15-17

Yep, we have been given advanced warnings(s) of them lot.

EnthronedbyGod:
Original: οἶνος

Original: οἶνος

Transliteration: oinos

Phonetic: oy'-nos

Thayer Definition:

wine metaphorically fiery wine of God's wrath

Origin: a primary word

TDNT entry: 07:42,7

Part(s) of speech: Noun Masculine

Strong's Definition: A primary word ; " wine" (literally or figuratively): - wine.

Original: יין

Transliteration: yayin

Phonetic: yah'-yin

BDB Definition:

wine

Origin: from an unused root meaning to effervesce

TWOT entry: 864

Part(s) of speech: Noun Masculine

Strong's Definition: From an unused root meaning to effervesce ; wine (as fermented); by implication intoxication: -banqueting, wine, wine [-bibber].

"... What language is "oinos" in and what language is "yayin" in, hmm?
Dont bother, its a rhetoric question, because the former is Greek, while the latter is Hebrew, the light bulb moment about the two words, is that they both mean the same thing, as in, mean alcoholic/fermented drink"
- Re: Cultism, The Spiritual Consequences And Deliverance Through Christ by MuttleyLaff: 12:50am On Aug 11

EnthronedbyGod:
Galatians 5:
19- Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20- Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21-  Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

Let's check the meaning of the word drunkenness.

Original: μέθη

Transliteration: methē

Phonetic: meth'-ay

Thayer Definition:

intoxication, drunkenness

Origin: apparently a root word

TDNT entry: 13:05,6

Part(s) of speech: Noun Feminine

Strong's Definition: Apparently a primary word; an intoxicant, that is, (by implication) intoxication: - drunkenness.

Gotten from the word intoxicant.

Indirectly proving that taking intoxicants is very wrong, cos it's classified under the works of the flesh.

We have to be very careful of what we say as Christians, so that we don't lead Christ's flock astray.

God bless

"Do you think Jesus wasnt aware of the words "oinos" and "yayin" at all, hmm? Why did Jesus not use either "oinos" and "yayin", but calculatingly, consciously and deliberately used "fruit of the vine" instead, huh?

Jesus avoided using the Greek word "oinos" and the Hebrew word "yayin", because both means intoxicating wine, as in, obviously a fermented/alcoholic drink/intoxicating wine

Now please EnthronedbyGod, explain:
1/ Why was Jesus called a winebibber and/or a drunkard?
2/ Was it because of drinking grape fruit juice and/or fresh wine that's not fermented, erhn?"
- Re: Cultism, The Spiritual Consequences And Deliverance Through Christ by MuttleyLaff: 12:50am On Aug 11

Nwanne, it has already been typed that drinking alcoholics is for merriment, to cheer oneself up, for socialising etcetera, but never to be abused, never to be misused, never to get drunk on, and surely never to be addicted to

I used myself as part of the discussion, that personally, I dont necessarily drink alcohol, that it has nothing to do with doctrine per se, but truly, the reason is, I have the right to do anything but not everything really is that beneficial to me. Of course, it was 1 Corinthians 6:13 I paraphrased in my last sentence, so yeah, drinking alcohol isnt really profitable, at least not for me, and besides I am more of a social drinker than a habitual one anyway.

Also raised the fact that, when Paul was advising Timothy about dealing with his health issues, it wasnt fruit juice or fresh wine that's not fermented, Paul was advising Timothy to take drink for his health issues etcetera

How fresh wine or fresh wine that's not fermented, as in, wine with no alcoholic content, can relieve someone in ailing health like Timothy was is baffling. We ought to recognise that the Greek word used by Paul, in 1 Timothy 5:23, is the word "oinos", which means intoxicating wine, as in, obviously a fermented/alcoholic drink. Grape fruit juice doesnt fire anyone up in the stomach, it is very good alcoholic wine, that shakes you up and shudders you, so that all that sickness dissipates and flies off the body. That is why Paul recommended alcoholic wine and not grape fruit juice nor fresh wine that's not fermented, to Timothy. Lets be clear on this truth and accept it as fact.

I recall it being typed too, that the aftermath of the abuse and/or misuse of wine/alcohol is unbecoming. Also that, drunkenness and addiction to wine/alcohol is a behaviour not fitting or appropriate for any son/daughter of God. Even Ephesians 5:18 was cited as being, a very informative and a useful verse concerning the preferred state of being drunk and preferred sort of intoxication (i.e. Holy Spirit intoxicant) Worldly intoxicants, like beverages, medicines etcetera used the right way and in safe doses is not bad or wrong

As generationz highlighted we don suppose to have passed these scare tactics stages. Education and knowledge instead of using heavy handed tactics and scare strategies

Self control (i.e. self-discipline) is one of the fruit of the Holy Spirit. You better fervently begin to pray for the manifestation of self control (i.e. self-discipline) if you're not enjoying and not tasting it in the fruit of the Holy Spirit you're eating, that's if at all you're eating it. Some just leave the fruit of Holy Spirit sitting on a fruit bowl on the dinning table serving as a decoration, without bothering to eat and enjoy tasting it.

michaelkaroh:
Lol..
But seriously, why does sexual temptation seem to be the most used tactic of the fallen ones....baffles me.

The devil knows who to use sexual temptation on and who not to bother trying it on with

EnthronedbyGod:
It has been the most potent from time immemorial.

It is true, its the most potent tactic from time immemorial used on fallen ones, but notice that the devil never tried the sex temptation trick with Jesus Christ, but instead went for other types of lust of the flesh and the lust of the eyes with Him. Now the devil with this other particular lust of the flesh had nothing to do with sex and/or a fruit, like as was with Eve and the lust of the eyes, had nothing to do with sex, like as was with King David and Bathsheba.

[img]https://s3/images/MuttleyFearless.jpg[/img]
Please ignore the fearless cat in the above picture, that's a red herring, the real objects of interest in the above picture, are the self-disciplined Alsatian German Shepherd dogs, staying in their stations and not going chasing after the bold and without a care in the world taking a stroll cat. That is the beauty of self-discipline, captured in "a picture is worth a thousand words" taken shot.

Some cats can be left to guard a fish without eating it and some can be given a bowl of milk to guard without licking it.
Now, if one is not fortified, if one is not grounded in the word of God, if one is not standing on the word of God, if one loses focus on God, and if one is not self disciplined, then one is giving the devil a freehand and easy access to try and exploit weakness or dent(s) in ones armour

SLAP44:
"I will remove my robe if Chimaroke wins 2003 governorship "
- Mbaka 2001.

Chimaroke later won, won senate again and again and yet Mbaka is still wearing the robe

Who's fooling who?

Since its true that during the era of Governor Chimaroke Nnamani, Mbaka vowed to drop his cassock should Chimaroke be re-elected for second term in office but failed to keep his words when Chimaroke got re-elected, then it must be his dwindling integrity status thats fooling him.

Shepherd00:
I doubt if they have PDF versions yet. I checked, it's not there.

1. Faith under Fire by Lee Strobel.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyEkHJ0jKNY&list=PL_IZBabl5Ol2nUIhFALtQ661s6oOsGazE&index=12&t=0s

2. The case for Christianity by Lee Strobel.
http://www.divinerevelations.info/pdf/the_case_for_christ.pdf

Bonus
3. The Questions Christians Hope No One Will Ask (with answers) by Mark Mittelberg.
https://files.tyndale.com/thpdata/FirstChapters/978-1-4143-1591-1.pdf

@CaveAdullam, please let me know how you got on with watching "Popular Videos – Lee Strobel & Faith Under Fire" and downloading the other two, OK?
Shepherd00 is correct there is no pdf versions easily or straightforwardly available yet, besides this was done as a discussion project, so you're better off watching it, as a video, as opposed to reading

generationz:
Actually, no Christian with the Holy Spirit seeking to tap into the heavenly and to grow should make wine.

Alcoholic wine has a tendency to intoxicate.

Wine, beer etc is not a sin in the way the church sees it. It is not filth as the church sees it.

However, as a Christian grows spiritually there are some habits must that should be put off.

Drinking alcohol is one of them.

A spiritual Christian should never risk intoxication which is control by a force other than the holy spirit

Taking weed
Drinking Alcohol
Giving in to our emotions such as anger, hate etc can be used as a means of control by the evil one.
Those are secondary means.

The primary means is demonic possession. I'm sure you know about that one very well. I won't delve into that.

I won't also talk about alcoholic drinks like gins and spirits because those are harmful to health. I doubt they provide a single advantage to the body. Deliberately destroying your body as a sign of enjoyment is a sin to the creator of that body.

I'm sure you know that a great evangelist like AA Allen was consumed by Alcoholism in his final years. Infact, it was one of the things that destroyed his ministry. This was a relapse as he had struggled with alcoholism in his teens before he became born again.

It is important we are careful who we tell this things to. Some people are better off just hearing "Alcohol is a sin"

If you were to tell someone me that a little wine is good I wouldn't be bothered because I have been clean all my life and I'm not even drawn to alcohol. I hate the smell.

However, if you were telling an "A.A Allen" the same thing you might just be triggering a relapse back to a forgotten addiction

Most cleaned up addicts will never be able to manage the object of their addiction. they have to say bye-bye to it forever and will always struggle when they see it again compared to the average person who never had an encounter with that object.

I have seen how alcohol wrecked spiritual men. One is the Mentor to one of my major spiritual mentors. Not so educated but had a deep understanding of faith even more than our fathers.

Infact muttley, if you have been involved in deep fasting and prayer you would know that even food is a clog in mans spiritual ascension.

The more you fast the more you hate food because the more your spirit man is being awakened.

We need food to survive and must eat but we don't need alcohol to survive. So, why can't we just do away with it. Why do we always need deep explanations for things like this?

As enlightened Christians, we supposed don pass this stage na. Remember paul's frustration with ( I think the Corinthian church) we suppose don pass stage of " If you lie you will go to hellfire" . Simple things.

Besides, we should not forget where this drinks are being sold. I don't think anything that uplifts the spirit man are discussed there. I don't want to go deep into this aspect so it won't seem like I'm judging the "babes and sucklings"

Finally, I'll leave everyone reading this and battling on whether to drink or not to

1 Corinthians 6

Everything is permissible for me"--but not everything is beneficial. "Everything is permissible for me"--but I will not be mastered by anything.
13
"Food for the stomach and the stomach for food"--but God will destroy them both. The body is not meant for sexual immorality, but for the Lord, and the Lord for the body.

Where it is written sexual immorality put Alcoholic Intoxication.

Dear reader, put your hands on your chest and say " I will not be mastered by anything."

Peace.

"Drinking alcoholics is for merriment, to cheer oneself up, for socialising etcetera, but never to be abused, never to be misused, never to get drunk on, and surely never to be addicted to"
- Religion/Re: Cultism, The Spiritual Consequences And Deliverance Through Christ by MuttleyLaff: 11:36pm On Aug 10

"Personally, I dont necessarily drink alcohol, this is not because of any doctrine per se, but truly the reason is, I have the right to do anything but not everything really is that beneficial to me, besides I am more of a social drinker than a habitual one anyway."
- Religion/Re: Cultism, The Spiritual Consequences And Deliverance Through Christ by MuttleyLaff: 9:50pm On Aug 10

"When Paul was advising Timothy about dealing with his health issues, it wasnt fruit juice Paul was advising Timothy to take drink for it

The aftermath of the abuse and/or misuse of wine/alcohol is unbecoming. Drunkenness and addiction to wine/alcohol is a behaviour not fitting or appropriate for any son/daughter of God. Ephesians 5:18 reproduced above, is very informative and a useful verse concerning the preferred state of being drunk and preferred sort of intoxication."
- Religion / Re: Cultism, The Spiritual Consequences And Deliverance Through Christ by MuttleyLaff: 9:50pm On Aug 10

Everything in the above inverted commas and others not shown, says effectively all you've said. Whats my serious advice to the A. A Allen of this world, as regards dealing against alcohol intoxication and/or addiction? It is RUN. Just run, at the sight or scent of alcohol. Take off, get out from there, dont hang about where alcohol is. Run from anything or anyone that will put you in a situation to come into contact with alcohol etcetera.

budaatum:
There is nothing extraordinary about our means muttley.

If Jesus can say to Peter that flesh and blood has not revealed to Peter what he said, then there is something extraordinary in the means of how Peter got that revelation

budaatum, intelligence, is a gift from God, but when it is perverted by pride, it turns into intellectual pride and becomes a barrier between the person and God, because focus then shifts on to the perverted gift than the Giver of the original and/or unperverted gift

budaatum:
The definition of Jesusglasses is "spit on mud".

Jesusglasses is closely associated with or is suggestive of opticians/ optometrists/Jesustician, giving out glasses to correct and improve vision with it while ophthalmologist/Jesus is closely associated with or suggestive of "spit on mud and rub it on eyes" to correct the defect, whether its cataracts, nearsightedness, farsightedness or whatnot

budaatum:
"Take advantage" of a pair at the Jesustician and you too will understand what it is that you see.

People do not need an ophthalmologist to carry out surgery on their eyes nor Jesus to spit into mud and rub it on their eyes, if they already are seeing men clearly for what really they are and not seeing men as trees. Ever since the surgery on my eyes by the ophthalmologist, I had no more use for daily glasses except the reading glasses ones.

EmperorHarry:
It's disappointing we have people lots of folks who are apathetic towards curiosity of things that don't primaryly affect them. A global warming crisis is brewing and some nigerians still think the high rainfall and floods is cos God is angry with the world like in the days of Noah(true story). Developed countries are already transitioning into the age of electric cars and some Nigerians don't even know electric cars exist. Curiosity is what makes/kills a man and should be entertained regardless of the outcome.

"Then God said,
“Let Us make man in Our image, after Our likeness, to rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it."
- Genesis 1:26

It is disappointing that man generally and as a whole, let's excuse Naija for now from all this, struggles to prove he is powerful enough to tame, control, abate and/or harness the earth or superior enough to arrest the challenges thereof the earth.

The thing about Naija, is that almost every other country have long time ago, have left the starting blocks, dashed out. Naija is running after others, chasing them and trying to catch up, but everytime Naija thinks its caught up, it finds out that, when it gets round the blocks, others are not there and are no where in sight. Naija is an oxymoron, if not, how can a nation, richly blessed with so much, be extremely poor, have so little and lacking the means to provide things considered to be essential to make life easier and more pleasant for itself.

Are you aware of an environmental campaign group called "Extinction Rebellion", the antics they've been up to and why they do what they do, hmm?

EmperorHarry:
Science currently doesn't believe in a creator due to lack of scientifically verifiable evidence and science starts from knowledge 0 and hopes to build and organize till level 70-100, regardless of the eons it may take to achieve this. Modern science is what shook the foundations of religion & dogma and imbibing the scientific culture in currently religious countries would also shake the foundations of religion & dogma in such countries (hopefully Nigeria is one of them).

I beg to differ that science doesn't believe in a creator because it was Thomas Aquinas, the same person that considered theology to be a science because it encounters special and general revelation, who said: "To one who has faith, no explanation (i.e. of a creator God) is necessary. To one without faith, no amount of expanation is necessary"

EmperorHarry:
Simply put, science aims to shake tables and shatter glasses,if it has to

I dont mind science shaking and rocking tables or shatterring glass celings, all I am bothered about, is that science should make sure, that it itself, is standing on firm and/or solid ground, when being a table shaker. Science is good, science is useful, science is needed for explaining things, but science at times is meddling. Science should learn that some muddy waters are best cleared, by leaving them alone

budaatum:
No muttley, it is you who perhaps should be less hasty! Not everyone is in your "world of a dark room, with an unknown Creator"!

"¹⁹Then they took him to the high council of the city. “Come and tell us about this new teaching,” they said.
²⁰“You are saying some rather strange things, and we want to know what it’s all about.”
²¹(It should be explained that all the Athenians as well as the foreigners in Athens seemed to spend all their time discussing the latest ideas.)
²²So Paul, standing before the council,e addressed them as follows:
“Men of Athens, I notice that you are very religious in every way,
²³for as I was walking along I saw your many shrines.
And one of your altars had this inscription on it: ‘To an Unknown God.’ (i.e. unknown Creator)
This God, whom you worship without knowing, is the one I’m telling you about."
- Acts 17:19-23

buddatum, though I never did say that but apparently those in Athens at least were anyway

budaatum:
You mentioned the blind, and did not mention those who have eyes that work and have been to the Jesustician and got jesusglases and know what mountain to climb up to look

"Some others, look towards, very unusual and/or remarkable means to help them see in to unknown Creator and world of a dark room, while another others (e.g. science) thinks, fairk that extraodinary shenanigans stuff, that they, all and just by themselves, will figure out what's about the unknown Creator and whats with all this world of a dark room of ours is about."
- Re: Life From Life? by MuttleyLaff: 3:47pm ©

You this my budaatum friend man, do I always have to be redirecting you huh? I never anywhere mentioned any blind, you must be seeing double or things. You do know that, not seeing in the dark, doesnt necessarily mean one is a registered blind person.

About those who have eyes, well they are using extraordinary means of seeing in the dark, by way of remarkable means, took advantage of the Jesustician. They didnt even need Jesusglasses, because all Jesus did was spit into mud and rub it on their eyes, so they now see men clearly and no more see men as like trees etcetera.

michaelkaroh:
Lol..
But seriously, why does sexual temptation seem to be the most used tactic of the fallen ones....baffles me.

What is the serious advice for dealing against sexual temptation? It is RUN. Just run, and leave your cloak behind if you must. Take off, get out from there, dont hang about. Run from anything or anyone that will stimulate you having sexual lust

Give an inexhaustible list of sexual temptation or give the many ways someone can encounter sexual temptation?

michaelkaroh:
Kk

I am glad we now understand each other

michaelkaroh:
Piece of advice man, whenever you get the urge to mock, ridicule and use profanity, meditate upon the standards and precepts of the one you claim to serve.

I noticed you like to have the last word, so please help yourself and quote me once more.

Seek peace, man.

Piece of advice man, never start what you cant finish.
With you, I'll relish always having the last word
If you want peace, I'll give you peace, but if you want bullshit, like how you started, I'll give you bullshit plus back

I dont suffer gladly, posters who are devoid of respect, politeness and courtesy in behaviour and in their posts. Respect, politeness and courtesy is a two way street.

EnthronedbyGod:
oinos simply means wine.

yayin means fermented or intoxicating wine.

Smh. Please tell, and put the devil to shame. What language is "oinos" in and what language is "yayin" in, hmm?
Dont bother, its a rhetoric question, because the former is Greek, while the latter is Hebrew, the light bulb moment about the two words, is that they both mean the same thing, as in, mean alcoholic/fermented drink

EnthronedbyGod:
Stop misinterpreting scriptures to suit your narrative.

God bless

You better stick to dishing and rolling out your salacious, sensationalized gutter press stories to your itching ears audience, instead of trying very hard to make words suit your narrative and man made doctrine

Do you think Jesus wasnt aware of the words "oinos" and "yayin" at all, hmm? Why did Jesus not use either "oinos" and "yayin", but calculatingly, consciously and deliberately used "fruit of the vine" instead, huh?

Jesus avoided using the Greek word "oinos" and the Hebrew word "yayin", because both means intoxicating wine, as in, obviously a fermented/alcoholic drink/intoxicating wine

Now please EnthronedbyGod, explain why was Jesus called a winebibber and/or a drunkard? Was it because of drinking grape fruit juice or fresh wine that's not fermented, erhn?

michaelkaroh:
Vine is the plant, grapevine (grape) is the fruit. Grapes are used to make wine. You can look it up.
Please try to show some respect.

Grapes are used to make fermented wine and also used to make fresh juice which obviously is unfermented wine

EnthronedbyGod:
There were 2 types of wine in the Bible days, fresh wine and fermented wine.
Fresh wine wasn't alcoholic, but fermented wine was.

I concur completely with demur with this comment

EnthronedbyGod:
The water that Jesus turned to wine, was fresh wine and not fermented wine.

The water turned into wine by Jesus, in John 2:9-10, is fermented/alcoholic wine and not fresh wine. This is evidenced by the Greek words, "oinos", used in John 2:3, 9-10, which means intoxicating wine, as in, obviously fermented/alcoholic drink.

EnthronedbyGod:
The wine that Paul told Timothy to drink was fresh wine and not fermented wine.

"Don’t drink only water. You ought to drink a little wine for the sake of your stomach because you are sick so often"
- 1 Timothy 5:23

How fresh wine, as in, wine with no alcoholic content, can relieve someone in ailing health like Timothy was is baffling. We ought to recognise that the Greek word used by Paul, in 1 Timothy 5:23, is the word "oinos", which means intoxicating wine, as in, obviously a fermented/alcoholic drink. Grape fruit juice doesnt fire anyone up in the stomach, it is very good wine, that shakes you up and shudders you, so that all that sickness dissipates and flies off the body. That is why Paul recommended alcoholic wine and not grape fruit juice to Timothy

EnthronedbyGod:
Its wrong for Christians to take alcoholic beverages.

This is an imposition introduced by man

michaelkaroh:
My brother, all wines are alcoholic.

This is an incorrect statement

michaelkaroh:
The difference between old wine (strong drink) and new wine is just the alcoholic content. Freshly tapped palm wine is still alcoholic but not as much as the old one (fermented).
It was never stated that it's wrong to consume alcoholic beverages once one accepts Christ.

The emboldened is absolutely correct and true. Consumption of alcoholic beverages in moderation is advised

EnthronedbyGod:
Not all wines are alcoholic.

This 110% correct

EnthronedbyGod:
Proverbs 31:6 - Give strong drink unto him that is ready to perish, and wine unto those that be of heavy hearts.

Proverbs 20:1- Wine is a mocker, string drink is raging , and Whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise.

These are scripture references.

Drinking alcoholics is for merriment, to cheer oneself up, for socialising etcetera, but never to be abused, never to be misused, never to get drunk on, and surely never to be addicted to

michaelkaroh:
"Big boys" write intelligently. Making long posts about a subject don't equate being learned on such.

Who vex you nah. Why the bad belle. My friend "short" up , you are making noise. Nobi by force to raise peniis abeggy. Coat no mates with "agbada"

michaelkaroh:
Fruit of the vine is grape. Grape is used to make wine. All wines are alcoholic. It's that simple man.

Some people mumu never do, and yet the first grade mumu, sef no get part 2.

michaelkaroh:
You make long posts and end up saying nothing meaningful.

I am sorry, if you find long post challenging for you. It is apparent the content in the post, went swoosh over your head, like as if it was a Naija Airforce fighter jet and "you didn't know warris going on"

Next time, once you know, you can't run with the big boys, just stay indoors, stay on the porch. OK?

michaelkaroh:
Please, if you would, give answers to these questions...
1. What is a vine?
2. What is the fruit of the vine?
3. What beverage is made from the fruit of the vine?

Will you for a second, stop displaying and publicly flaunting your ignorance, hmm?

1. What is a vine?
Vine, when related to grapevine, is a plant whose grapefruit, can be used to make fermented/alcoholic wine or fruit juice that is not alcoholic

2. What is the fruit of the vine?
The fruit of the vine, in the context it was used in Matthew 26:29, is grape(s).

In Matthew 26:29, the phrase, "fruit of the vine", calculatingly, consciously and deliberately used by Jesus is completely and utterly different to using the word wine. Jesus, in Matthew 26:29, avoided using the Greek word "oinos", which means intoxicating wine, as in, obviously a fermented/alcoholic drink

Examples of "fruit of the vine" are: tomato juice, grape juice etcetera

3. What beverage is made from the fruit of the vine?
I already gave example(s) in #2 above.

Fvckmoderators:
He gave them WINE.

Thanks ojaare. Somebori please give this guy an "oti sẹwọn" chilled cold bottle of orijin and a truckload of kolanuts because hin head dey there correct correct.

CodeTemplar:
how?

Fvckmoderators:
People keep saying fruit juice to justify the debate that Jesus didn't drink alcohol.

Disregard what people keep saying Fvckmoderators. Now to your knowledge and understanding, was it or was it not fruit juice Jesus gave His disciples during the last supper, hmm?

CodeTemplar:
Are you OK mentally? Because people keep saying.... therefore it is a lie. Why not provide scriptures to back up your claims?

Overlook this cruel and/or unkind comment Fvckmoderators

CodeTemplar:
You don't apply for respect but earn it.
So Jesus should have said "fruit of the grapevine" instead of "fruit of the vine" right?

Or are you subtly accepting your error and at same time shifting it into a debate about English?

michaelkaroh:
Kk

"And do not get drunk with wine, for that is debauchery, but be filled with the Spirit"
- Ephesians 5:18

"So go ahead. Eat your food with joy, and drink your wine with a happy heart, for God approves of this!"
- Ecclesiastes 9:7

"I will restore my people Israel. They will rebuild the ruined cities and live in them. They will plant vineyards and drink the wine from them. They will plant gardens and eat their fruit."
- Amos 9:14

""Listen! Whoever is thirsty, come to the water! Whoever has no money can come, buy, and eat! Come, buy wine and milk. You don't have to pay; its free!"
- Isaiah 55:1

Oh no. Is it all now already all over? So you've had enough and quitting with a "Kk", hmm?

I guess CodeTemplar was right then about you not being straightforward. Seems you're not sure about the bible's complete/full stance on alcohol and thats why you got things conflated and mixed up.

We know that Jesus turned water into wine but when it came to Him commanding us about re-enacting the Holy Communion, He deliberately opted for fruit juice or fruit of the vine, in being used, to do this. Of course, Jesus offered His disciples fruit juice during the first Holy Communion, but He never at any time, commanded against drinking alcohol, nor was He against consumption of alcohol, and this is evidenced when He turned water to wine (i.e. "oinos", Greek usual word that means intoxicating wine, that's obviously fermented/alcoholic)

Personally, I dont necessarily drink alcohol, this is not because of any doctrine per se, but truly the reason is, I have the right to do anything but not everything really is that beneficial to me, besides I am more of a social drinker than a habitual one anyway.

When Paul was advising Timothy about dealing with his health issues, it wasnt fruit juice Paul was advising Timothy to take drink for it

The aftermath of the abuse and/or misuse of wine/alcohol is unbecoming. Drunkenness and addiction to wine/alcohol is a behaviour not fitting or appropriate for any son/daughter of God. Ephesians 5:18 reproduced above, is very informative and a useful verse concerning the preferred state of being drunk and preferred sort of intoxication.

budaatum:
I beg to differ with you too, we are not all "in this world of a dark room with an unknown Creator"!

Some of us brought lamps, and a jar with extra oil!

"... Some dont give a fairk about his world of a dark room and its unknown Creator. Some want to understand this world of a dark room, and know more about with its unknown Creator. Some, very hard with torch/flash lights of some sort try to see in to unknown Creator and world of a dark room. Some others, look towards, very unusual and/or remarkable means to help them see in to unknown Creator and world of a dark room, while another others (e.g. science) thinks, fairk that extraodinary shenanigans stuff, that they, all and just by themselves, will figure out what's about the unknown Creator and whats with all this world of a dark room of ours is about ..."
- Re: Life From Life? by MuttleyLaff: 3:47pm ©

Notice from above inverted commas that, I did mention some of you, very hard with torch/flash lights of some sort try to see in to the unknown Creator and world of a dark room.

Please next time, don't be in too much of a haste to respond just for the fun of it

budaatum:
Why, "How You"? Me, buda, Intends To Quantify Intelligence into Measurements Of "how Much"? How much what? Intelligenes? Intels?

It indeed will be funny, and a grave error on my part, in a thread specifically opposing the creation of graven images (muttley, remind us please!), and while I'm waiting for hakeem4 to let me know what he intends to measure a god with.

Kindly show me where Plato. I will be misleading and that must be corrected.

It really is true that ever since God took the risk to create human beings in his image and likeness, human beings, wasted no time, in having the boldness to reciprocate the gesture back. Human beings, to date are responding by making their own graven image and likeness of God version(s)

EmperorHarry:
Lol I did get you . I believe science is hinged on curiosity which is the progress/death of any being.The fact is that science usually doesn't really have any facts but theories which can be applied to a large extent with as much success rate as something considered a fact.People who see science as a supreme source of knowledge are the ones distorting the purpose of science which is just curiosity about the natural world until we reach omniscience(we may never get there).

We’re all, in this in world of a dark room, with an unknown Creator. Some dont give a fairk about his world of a dark room and its unknown Creator. Some want to understand this world of a dark room, and know more about with its unknown Creator. Some, very hard with torch/flash lights of some sort try to see in to unknown Creator and world of a dark room. Some others, look towards, very unusual and/or remarkable means to help them see in to unknown Creator and world of a dark room, while another others (e.g. science) thinks, fairk that extraodinary shenanigans stuff, that they, all and just by themselves, will figure out what's about the unknown Creator and whats with all this world of a dark room of ours is about.

EmperorHarry:
I get you now..Well science doesn't work that way even tho people seem to think it so and even some science fanatics sometimes give off that "we have all the cards" vibe.I'm actually interested in finding out more about this discovery because it rocks the science world a bit but it's also exaggerated by media with their "shocking headlines".It would encourage a rethink about models and well known theories about the age of the universe or the stars which is a very welcome activity in the science world.
Eating the fruit before it's time is also one of my greatest fears,that peharps we string ourselves on for so long that it becomes difficult to reverse the harm it causes.For example,depletion of the ozone layer and global warming.
It's a dilemma we find ourselves in when determining when it's time for the fruit to the harvested/eaten because the fruit may just have prevented something catastrophic from happening irrespective of the due time.
I hope I actually understood what you meant tho.

Science that one minute will tell you the cause of something is down to mental illness then few years down the line will say, no, it's actually because of another thing. Science doesn't want to admit, it's chasing a carrot on a stretched out long stick.

The fruit would have "eventuarry" be eaten, only if they had sit it out and managed the last hour it was eaten, then we would have had all knowledge at our finger tips and NOT be doing all these second guesses and groping blindly in the dark.

My dearest friend, my guy Ranchhoddas, is working hard for the money, very hard for the money. No relenting whatsoever

EmperorHarry:
I don't quite understand @bolded..

If we still don't know, don't know all, don't know everything, etcetera was it then worth the effort of eating the fruit before time, is what I am wondering and/or asking

LoJ:
Yes I am a Lion in many ways.

loj means many things, some of which I am yet to understand.

OK but so what does L stand for, what does o stand for and what does J stand for please?

EmperorHarry:
h ttps://www.express.co.uk/news/science/1162808/big-bang-theory-how-old-is-universe-physics-news-astronomy-space-2019/amp
Who else is aware of this discovery?

Maybe the Wise Men from the East, who used their knowledge of the stars, to lead them to Jesus Christ had long gone before been aware of this discovery

We are in this dark room trying to understand it and its "unknown" Creator. EmperorHarry, we'll always have known knowns, known unknowns and unknown unknowns. Is everything at all, is it at all looking back, and in hindsight now, worth the price of eating the fruit, ahead of time, hmm?

LoJ:
Do not trust anything written on the internet, there is a lot of fake news flying around.

The Methuselah star is not older than the alleged age of the universe, according to big bang theory. It is one of the oldest for sure, but does not contradict the the theory.

I am not saying the big bang must be right, but in this case it is a fake news, propagated by people who want to invalidate a scientific theory by unscientific means.

By the way, the Big bang theory is a theory. At the moment it is confirmed by most observations and experiments about the universe. If scientists find new evidence that the theory is false, they will discard the theory and formulate new ones.

That's how science works. No one, except religious people, want the particular theory to be right or wrong.

Are you a lion of some sort? What does the alphabets LoJ, represent, signify, mean and/or stand for?

Ranchhoddas:
To understand how it is stored, we only have to look at the parable of the talents already touched by an earlier commenter.
To store means to make use of it in an appropriate and productive manner. Whatever talents (treasure) we have been entrusted with, we are to use it for the benefit of others and to the glory of God instead of being selfish (hoarding it) like the unfaithful servant and the hypothetical man in your opening post.

budaatum:
Thank you. A question. The unfaithful servant hid his master's wealth and put it not to profit. My hypothetical person just had a pound put in a vault every month and not where it would be stolen or eaten by moths. Where are they similar?

Here is another slant to all this keeping a pound in a vault business.

1/ What is the goal of this 40 year old man with the idea of putting a dollar away in a vault, hmm?
2/ Does this man consider the impact of inflation on his buried and hidden away savings, hmm?
3/ Does he understand at all that the money hes put in the vault, is going to be eroded by inflation, hmm?
4/ Does he know there are better money saving ideas than hiding money away in a vault, hmm?
5/ Whats my #5 question again. Its skipped my mind. Sorry.

budaatum:
One more question. Why should one use one's treasure and talents "for the benefit of others"? Let me shout this please, Why, Ranchhonddas should anyone use their talents for the benefit of others? Do those others include the lazy modafuqas yelling, "Crucify him"? Should one be the messiah?

Pardon my shouting, its shock.

"No one lights a lamp and puts it under a basket (i.e. or in a vault, I would guess). Instead, everyone who lights a lamp puts it on a lamp stand. Then its light shines on everyone in the house.
(i.e. people don't light a lamp and put it under a basket but on a lamp stand, and it gives light to everyone in the house.)"
- Matthew 5:15

"But I say unto you which hear, Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you,
- Luke 6:27