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Anger9:
@ Amaniro ....A Christain is who lives by and follows the teaching of Christ

That is disinformation. Dont take yourself seriously, do you really believe the sarcastic people of Ancient Antioch, famous for its humor and especially the giving of jesting nicknames, like the phrase Christian, first coined by them, was an endearing compliment or a feeling of trying to be friendly, huh?

Ancient Antioch, then formerly an economically buoyant city in ancient Syria, but now a poor town in Turkey, strangely enough Antioch was called "the cradle of Christianity" yet derived its name from Antiochus, the name of either the father or son of one Alexander's generals, and it means “the one who is opposed to possessing something”, the name is derived from Greek αντι (anti) which means "against", compared to, "like" and/or οχη (oche) "support".

paxonel:
wrong definition!

That wrong definition is the disinformation

paxonel:
No wonder you are leaving christianity easily.
The truth is, there is no one that has ever followed the teachings of christ 100%
Yes, it is true that there are lot of christians who are not living right compared to most atheists that you know, but that isnt enough excuse to disconnect yourself from a spirit God.

God is spirit, he lives in you.
You can choose to be 100% morally upright and achieve success in everything you do, that has nothing to do with God in you.

I've always typed that, if only more christians, properly read their bibles, there'd be less christians and/or less Constantine christians

delishpot:
Cold catch me. Trust no one. Words are just words to some people. When they say it means peace..... Think Taqiyya or Tawriya. Now one doesnt know when to trust. When truth is spoken or when one is being taken for a ride.

delishpot:

Instead of you to be sleeping, you are fretting and making a mountain out of a molehill. I have friends, relations and family members who are muslims and who I trust now. Kilo dẹ de kẹ?

elated177:
Abysmal, confirmed and bonafide bible illiterate...a load of cow dung.

What I am in Yahushua the Messiah, my Master, is not in doubt.

I believe what transpired on this thread is open and clear for every reader to see and understand.

Just as the title of the thread, you are exposed and hung out to dry

Until you know the truth and rationale for Leviticus 18:22 and/or Leviticus 20:13, and understand why and how the term abomination that appear in Leviticus 18:22, is so, to God, you will not be free from your bigotry, predijuce, homophobia, discrimination or sanctimonious self and you'll for ever will be stammering, chomping teeth and either as usual, run and/or take flight when stood up to.

Like I earlier said, I am quite sure, you dont know that abomination in the Bible, is relative. Who created shrimps elated177? "Ko le ye ẹ" loosely interpreted means "even if you try, you cant fathom nor work out that question"

elated177:
Dude, no offence, I think you are full of inconsistencies. Yeah, you are all over the place. Well, I am not surprised. I wonder the kind of truth that resides in a person who believes homosexuality is not a sin in the sight of the Creator of heaven and earth, who himself is the Truth.

You see, muttleylaff, the fact that you hold the view that homosexuality, albeit a particular kind, is not an abomination in the sight of the owner if the Scriptures, which you believe you are knowledgeable in, whatever you say or how you see the Scriptures will always be skewed."

Actually, muttleylaff, discussing Scriptures with you or anyone who holds your view on homosexuality - after seeing where the Scriptures have unambiguously stated the detestable nature of homosexuality - can as well be a waste of time and energy. However, for the benefit of the sincere seekers of truth, who may be reading this thread and threads such as this - it is imperative that I, strengthened by the Set-apart Spirit of YHVH Almighty, continue to shine the light so that they will not be misled.

Muttleylaff, you neither know nor have the truth. What you are familiar with are Scriptural verses which you are twisting and hammering to suit your caprices without an iota of regard for the Owner. Even Satan and the demons are very familiar with the Scriptures, I am not surprised.

So, you actually do not know the truth at all. If you did, you would be free from erroneous believes such as the ones you are expounding. You are a snare to those who are seeking the truth but are not yet grounded in the Scriptures.

I am happy that the path of righteousness of no saint of Yahushua the Messiah will be derailed by you. Yahushua the Messiah will not allow it. You would be sooner thrown into the sea with a millstone tied to your neck than to derail the path of righteousness of even the least of the saints of YHVH Almighty on this forum.

It is because you are a confirmed and bonafide bible illiterate, you are way behind and dont measure up to 2 Timothy 2:15 in any shape or form, is why you think I am full of inconsistencies. If you are asked to state what and where I am alledged to be inconsistent, you will begin to stammer and be chomping teeth

You avoid answering questions because you know you will be pinned down and get being exposed. It is as simple as that. You are nothing than a paper tiger, huffing and puffing. I have and easily eat people like you with breakfast

Would you believe it that this guy believes that The Book Of Enoch was written by Enoch, the one who was seven generations from Adam? You want the Book of Enoch to be true so bad but its not and you cant get over that, so refuse to answer the question and resort to introducing some unrelated, unconnected and totally different homosexuality subject

Do you also believe in the Infancy Gospel of Thomas too? Another Gnostic book? I was just about bringing the bird out of the pocket and havent even started proper questioning you about the Book of Enoch before you developed cold feet, cat got your tongue and so clamping up. Let me remind you of one of the many fascinating and interesting narratives you read in the Book of Enoch

"¹. And after some days my son Methuselah took a wife for his son Lamech, and she became pregnant by him and bore a son.
². And his body was white as snow and red as the blooming of a rose, and the hair of his head and his long locks were white as wool, and his eyes beautiful. And when he opened his eyes, he lighted up the whole house like the sun, and the whole house was very bright.
³. And thereupon he arose in the hands of the midwife, opened his mouth, and conversed with the Lord of righteousness.
⁴. And his father Lamech was afraid of him and fled, and came to his father Methuselah.
⁵. And he said unto him: 'I have begotten a strange son, diverse from and unlike man, and resembling the sons of the God of heaven; and his nature is different and he is not like us, and his eyes are as the rays of the sun, and his countenance is glorious.
⁶. And it seems to me that he is not sprung from me but from the angels, and I fear that in his days a wonder may be wrought on the earth.
⁷. And now, my father, I am here to petition thee and implore thee that thou mayest go to Enoch, our father, and learn from him the truth, for his dwelling-place is amongst the angels.'
⁸. And when Methuselah heard the words of his son, he came to me to the ends of the earth; for he had heard that I was there, and he cried aloud, and I heard his voice and I came to him. And 1 said unto him: 'Behold, here am I, my son, wherefore hast thou come to me?'
⁹. And he answered and said: 'Because of a great cause of anxiety have I come to thee, and because of a disturbing vision have I approached.
¹⁰. And now, my father, hear me: unto Lamech my son there hath been born a son, the like of whom there is none, and his nature is not like man's nature, and the colour of his body is whiter than snow and redder than the bloom of a rose, and the hair of his head is whiter than white wool, and his eyes are like the rays of the sun, and he opened his eyes and thereupon lighted up the whole house.
¹¹. And he arose in the hands of the midwife, and opened his mouth and blessed the Lord of heaven.
^12. And his father Lamech became afraid and fled to me, and did not believe that he was sprung from him, but that he was in the likeness of the angels of heaven; and behold I have come to thee that thou mayest make known to me the truth.'
¹³. And I, Enoch, answered and said unto him: 'The Lord will do a new thing on the earth, and this I have already seen in a vision, and make known to thee that in the generation of my father Jared some of the angels of heaven transgressed the word of the Lord.
¹⁴. And behold they commit sin and transgress the law, and have united themselves with women and commit sin with them, and have married some of them, and have begot children by them.
¹⁵. Yea, there shall come a great destruction over the whole earth, and there shall be a deluge and a great destruction for one year.
¹⁶. And this son who has been born unto you shall be left on the earth, and his three children shall be saved with him: when all mankind that are on the earth shall die [he and his sons shall be saved].
¹⁷. And they shall produce on the earth giants not according to the spirit, but according to the flesh, and there shall be a great punishment on the earth, and the earth shall be cleansed from all impurity.
¹⁸. And now make known to thy son Lamech that he who has been born is in truth his son, and call his name Noah; for he shall be left to you, and he and his sons shall be saved from the destruction, which shall come upon the earth on account of all the sin and all the unrighteousness, which shall be consummated on the earth in his days.
¹⁹. And after that there shall be still more unrighteousness than that which was first consummated on the earth; for I know the mysteries of the holy ones; for He, the Lord, has showed me and informed me, and I have read (them) in the heavenly tablets."
- Book of Enoch 106:1-19

You're some much caught up and wrapped into the disinformation, you dont see the numerous warning red flags in the so called Book of Enoch, neither do you know you know the truth about Leviticus 18:22.

If I am to ask you, to give the rationale for Leviticus 18:22 and/or Leviticus 20:13, and explain why and how the term abomination that appear in Leviticus 18:22, is so to God, you will be stammering, chomping teeth and either as usual run and/or take flight.

I am quite sure, you dont know that abomination in the Bible is relative. I tell you have no idea, you have zero inches long knowledge on both subjects. You are better off running away, covering your arse, hiding your face in shame and enjoy the lies because you know I'll floor you all the time on the homosexuality, the Book of Enoch being a gnostic book and any other theological subject elated177

elated177:
Between the two of us, who was intimidated by the other's questions?

You are intimidated by my barrage of questioning. When you began feeling the heat of my questions, you changed the thread's original subject and theme about "The Book Of Enoch Exposed!!!!" to some unrelated, unconnected and totally different homosexuality subject

elated177:
Well like I said in the other thread:

"I won't be engaging in any kind of discussion bordering on the Scriptures of YHVH of Hosts with you anymore on this forum, muttleylaff. It is crystal clear that you are a homosexuality activist. It is almost as if you are being paid to say the things you say in futile attempt to find some good in homosexuality. Your interpretation of the Scriptures will always be skewed, that fact has been well established. If I venture into the politics section and happen to stumble upon any thread which has you in it, we may discuss politics."

Wetin concern fish with raincoat, whats my own with discussing "politics" with you, huh?

You are abysmal. You have proven to be a confirmed and bonafide bible illiterate, you are way behind and dont measure up to 2 Timothy 2:15 in any shape or form, above all, you lack good table manners and so cant eat at the same dinning table with me anyway

elated177:
Who is dragging league with you? You think that is what I am on this forum for? League? Pathetic!

I won't be engaging in any kind of discussion bordering on the Scriptures of YHVH of Hosts with you anymore on this forum, muttleylaff. It is crystal clear that you are a homosexuality activist. It is almost as if you are being paid to say the things you say in futile attempt to find some good in homosexuality. Your interpretation of the Scriptures will always be skewed, that fact has been well established. If I venture into the politics section and happen to stumble upon any thread which has you in it, we may discuss politics.

Carry on with your perversion and revel in it, if you must. It remains what it is - detestable and abominable in the sight of YHVH Almighty.

You see, muttleylaff, the fact that you do know the truth and still try to twist it, makes you a very dangerous influence on anyone who wishes to follow the righteous path but is not grounded in the Word of the Father in heaven. You fall into the category of people I pray to my Father in heaven, YHVH Almighty, to keep far away from the impressionable people, especially teenagers, on this forum who are genuinely seeking the Truth.

Yahushua the Messiah is my Master. He knows whether I am worth my salt or not. Even Satan parades himself as a messenger of light. By its fruits we will recognise the true light and differentiate it from the pretender.

Prov 9:7 Whoever corrects a mocker invites insults; whoever rebukes the wicked incurs abuse.

Every saint of YHVH Almighty knows that homosexuality, no matter the way or manner it is done, is a great wickedness in his sight. Only the wicked of this world will try to shove this detestable, disgusting and abominable act down to the throats of others.

I am not saying that the people of this world shouldn't revel in this homosexuality, nope. People like you should revel in this perversion, if they must, but leave the Scriptures of YHVH of Hosts alone and stop twist them in order to justify your craving for strange flesh. You cannot eat your cake and have it. You either honour YHVH Almighty or you don't.

The homosexual atheists are even less dangerous than the people in your category, who claim to believe in YHVH Almighty and know his word, yet neither have an iota of regard for what his word actually says nor a minuscule of qualms twisting and hammering it to suit your whims.

Well, the Truth is neither malleable nor ductile, but very rigid.

When exposing a lie and crime to humanity, is being treated as committing a crime, then the situation is ruled by criminally minded unashamed liars

You won't be engaging me in any kind of discussion bordering on the Scriptures, because you will fall flat on your face. It is a risk, you havent the balls to take, as you know I will expose you and your arse. It doesnt matter, if you bury your head in the sand, your arse still will be exposed no matter what, nonetheless, by you bending down and burying your head in the sand or me expose it but that's if you at all, have the liver to do, man to man with me

You must be high on a nefarious substance.

So to you because I make it a conscientious decision, to be a voice and speak out about the injustice and lack of fairness, to two easy going, ordinary consenting adults, minding their own businesses enjoying a life long caring, faithful, committed, truthful, honest, loving each other, lasting that's a lifetime life-long and loyal same-sex relationship, that is not causing damage or harm to another person, not betraying of another person, or even, not cheating on another person, and not being harmful to an object or neighbour, it is now a perversion I should revel in, huh? SMH, and that, I am a homosexuality activist, erh?.

elated177, there is a difference between being a blanket homosexuality activist and a conscious deconstructionist, but you elated177 wont know that nor would you know the difference, as "O kere si number wa" loosely translated means "you're small, you're in a lower league number than me". You have proven to be a confirmed and bonafide bible illiterate, you are way behind and dont measure up to 2 Timothy 2:15 in any shape or form

Like I told Agrogbeide, I know of two easy going, ordinary consenting adults, minding their own businesses enjoying a life long caring, faithful, committed, truthful, honest, loving each other, lasting that's a lifetime life-long and loyal same-sex relationship, that is not causing damage or harm to another person, not betraying of another person, or even, not cheating on another person, and not being harmful to an object or neighbour that accept the Lord Christ, are born of God etcetera that are in same sex relationships

Agrogbeide:
Homosexuality is abominable.

Why and how is homosexuality is abominable?

Agrogbeide:
It is stated clearly in the scriptures and can be clearly understood

Where is it stated clearly in scripture to be clearly understood?

Agrogbeide:
LGBT should not be discriminated but should be prayed for so that they can accept first the Lord Jesus Christ because no one born of God will DELIBERATELY want to be involve in homosexuality and other kinds of sexual immoral acts, and secondly that the Holy Spirit will open their eyes and hearts to accept the right sexual form and sexual relationship which involves a man and a woman under the marriage institution.
Thanks.
God bless.

I know of two easy going, ordinary consenting adults, minding their own businesses enjoying a life long caring, faithful, committed, truthful, honest, loving each other, lasting that's a lifetime life-long and loyal same-sex relationship, that is not causing damage or harm to another person, not betraying of another person, or even, not cheating on another person, and not being harmful to an object or neighbour that accept the Lord Christ, are born of God etcetera that are in same sex relationships

Agrogbeide:
Lol.
So since homosexuality is not listed among the things God hates in proverbs 6:18 we should accept it huh?

"⁶So Potiphar gave Joseph complete administrative responsibility over everything he owned.
With Joseph there, he didn’t worry about a thing—except what kind of food to eat!
Joseph was a very handsome and well-built young man,
⁷and Potiphar’s wife soon began to look at him lustfully. “Come and sleep with me,” she demanded.
⁸But Joseph refused. “Look,” he told her, “my master trusts me with everything in his entire household.
⁹No one here has more authority than I do. He has held back nothing from me except you, because you are his wife.
How could I do such a wicked thing? It would be a great sin against God"
- Genesis 39:6-9

"A heart that devises wicked plans,
Feet that run rapidly to evil,"
- Proverbs 6:18

Just as heterosexuality isnt listed in Proverbs 6:18 there as among the things God hates, so isnt homosexuality, but it's about the Genesis 39:9 evil act of heterosexuality and/or similar of homosexuality, that is listed among the things God hates, and this you can see from what transpired in Genesis 39:6-9 above and confirmed by what Joseph said in Genesis 39:9 above same.

Agrogbeide:
You already know my stance on the issue of homosexuality....... IT IS ABOMINABLE!!!!!!!

I already told you that, a woman can only run as fast as her boobs allow her is your situation, so therefore, I understand and share the feelings of your stance on the issue of homosexuality, but Agrogbeide, what God, in Leviticus 18:22, said is abomination to Him, is quite clear it isnt what you learned to interpret the verse to.

Agrogbeide:
Like I said earlier in another thread, no angel not to even talk of a mortal can make me accept or give regards to homosexuality.
Muttleylaff bro, we can deliberate on other subjects but certainly not on homosexuality any longer. No need of me pressing further because you know very well that I don't like wasting my phone ink on arguments.
Lol.
Thanks.
God bless.

Hypothetically speaking Agrogbeide, if this was your mom, dad, brother(s), sister(s), uncle(s), aunt(s), nephew(s), niece(s), cousin(s) kid(s) or grandkid(s) that are concerned would you still not consider it, not give regards and/or just dont care, huh?
cc jesusjnr, Alexandro15, elated177

elated177:
I won't be engaging in any kind of discussion bordering on the Scriptures of YHVH of Hosts with you anymore on this forum, muttleylaff. It is crystal clear that you are a homosexuality activist

Half truths are no better than lies.
Why are you moderate in announcing the truth and presenting half-truth on what I type on same sex relationships elated177, huh?

There is a difference between a blanket homosexuality activist and a conscious deconstructionist, but you wont know that nor know the difference, as "O kere si number wa" loosely translated means "you're in a lower league number than the rest of us"

elated177:
It is almost as if you are being paid to say the things you say in futile attempt to find some good in homosexuality. Your interpretation of the Scriptures will always be skewed, that fact has been well established. If I venture into the politics section and happen to stumble upon any thread which has you in it, we may discuss politics.

"The wicked worketh a deceitful work: but to him that soweth righteousness shall be a sure reward."
- Proverbs 11:18

People like you, and the likes of Agrogbeide, jesusjnr etcetera understand only to the level of your perception(s). Just think for a moment, how much pleasure you are giving Satan with your discrimination, hypocrisy, bigotry and ignorance. How you are not making every effort to present yourself approved to God, not being a workman that has no reason to be ashamed as he accurately handles the word of truth. You arent correctly and rightly dividing the word of the truth, the message of God's truth.

elated177, if you want to talk about "good in homosexuality" , well there is a lot of good in two easy going, ordinary consenting adults, minding their own businesses enjoying a life long caring, faithful, committed, truthful, honest, loving each other, lasting that's a lifetime life-long and loyal same-sex relationship, that is not causing damage or harm to another person, not betraying of another person, or even, not cheating on another person, and not being harmful to an object or neighbour

elated177, have you ever thought of, love, a good thing, defining the relationship between the two consenting adults, in such a way that they love each other, that they enjoy each other’s company, they are mutually respectful to each other, mutually supportive to each other, and sometimes without sex necessarily being the leading or most important thing for them, huh?. It’s those kind of things, like mutual love, mutual respect, mutual honesty, mutual truthfulness, mutually supportive of each other etcetera, that really matter, the most in the relationship, and as like in any other relationship, whether heterosexual and homosexual, this is a good thing elated177, or dont you agree or think so, huh?

elated177:
Carry on with your perversion and revel in it, if you must.

Carry on with your perversion? Revel in it? Are you high on a nefarious substance?

So to you because I make it a conscientious decision, to be a voice and speak out about the injustice and lack of fairness, to two easy going, ordinary consenting adults, minding their own businesses enjoying a life long caring, faithful, committed, truthful, honest, loving each other, lasting that's a lifetime life-long and loyal same-sex relationship, that is not causing damage or harm to another person, not betraying of another person, or even, not cheating on another person, and not being harmful to an object or neighbour, it is now a perversion I should revel in, huh? SMH.

elated177:
It remains what it is - detestable and abominable in the sight of YHVH Almighty

Please dont be sounding daft. You know if I should pull you up on "detestable and abominable in the sight of YHVH Almighty" you will do a runner. You'll take flight instead of stand and fight to tell what exactly is detestable and abominable in the sight of God when asked

elated177:
Romans 1:18-19 The wrath of YHVH is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, since what may be known about YHVH is plain to them, because YHVH has made it plain to them.

"Whoever corrects a mocker invites insults; whoever rebukes the wicked incurs abuse."
- Proverbs 9:7

I am glad and pleased that you're aware of Romans 1:18-19, now have Proverbs 9:7 above, as a memento of who you are

elated177:
It is not like you do not know the truth, you do. You do know the truth, but you have decided to turn, bend, twist and hammer it just to support your craving for sexual relationship with the people of the same sex. Well, the Truth is neither malleable nor ductile, but very rigid.

It is glaring that you dont know the truth, you dont know the truth of Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13.

If I am to ask you, to give the rationale for Leviticus 18:22 and/or Leviticus 20:13, and explain why and how the term abomination that appear in Leviticus 18:22 is to God, you will be chomping teeth and either run and/or take flight.

I am quite sure, you dont know that abomination iin the Bible is relative. I tell you have no idea, you have zero inches long knowledge on this subject
Who created shrimps elated177? "Ko le ye ẹ" loosely interpreted means "You cant fathom nor work out that question"

Do you know the meaning of Grace? It’s a touch of truth that lets you see the world in a new way. It’s a gift that can only be felt when you’re open enough to accept it. Old ways dont open new doors, and grace is like deodorant, people who need it most, never use it.

elated177:
You see, muttleylaff, the fact that you do know the truth and still try to twist it, makes you a very dangerous influence on anyone who wishes to follow the righteous path but is not grounded in the Word of the Father in heaven. You fall into the category of people I pray to my Father in heaven, YHVH Almighty, to keep far away from the impressionable people, especially teenagers, on this forum who are genuinely seeking the Truth.

Look at pot calling snow black. I rather be labelled a dangerous influence while telling the truth than be a well liked liar and pretend to tell the truth, while telling lies

elated177:
You have been empowered by Satan himself to promote homosexuality, while he in turn promotes you. The saints of YHVH El Shaddai will not used by you to get that next promotion.

"¹³You are the salt of the earth. But if the salt loses its savor, how can it be made salty again? It is no longer good for anything, except to be thrown out and trampled by men.
¹⁴You are the light of the world. A city on a hill cannot be hidden.
¹⁵Neither do people light a lamp and put it under a basket. Instead, they set it on a lampstand, and it gives light to everyone in the house.
¹⁶In the same way, let your light shine before men, that they may see your good deeds and glorify your Father in heaven."
- Matthew 5:13-16

You are not worth your salt elated177. Do you know that there are two kinds of light, the glow that illuminates and the glare that obscures. Your light of the world, is off the latter elated177, because the less people know of a subject matter, the more stubbornly they think they know it and so make it unclear and difficult for others to understand.
cc jesusjnr, Agrogbeide, Alexandro15

MuttleyLaff:
"It is the one referenced in the New Testament by Peter and Jude, where they were denouncing it and funnily enough the heresy(ies) in the book

I couldnt believe what tall tale narrative I was reading that I had to chuck it aside because what I was reading just wasnt adding up together. No wonder Peter and Jude re-echoing Peter were among other things, condemning the Book of Enoch in their letter"
- by MuttleyLaff: 7:38pm On Apr 16 2019


"Where did Peter and Jude denounce Enoch or the book of Enoch?"
- by elated177: 1:33pm On Apr 18 2019

Look at the two above inverted commas quotations above and compare what you wrote and how you quoted me.
1/ Do you see and read me saying Peter and Jude denounced the patriarch Enoch?
2/ Can you see now how you misrepresented what I typed?
I am very careful with my construct, wording and choice of words because of the concern not to be misrepresented or miscontrued but if it was just a coincidence and you werent being duplicitous, then I take it back, as no offense was intended by it and ask your pardon.

You have a very good sense of humour, just like me

Thank you very much Sire.

So, elated177, if I would to summarise this in three to four words, would you agree and accept with me, that, it is about "warning" of "appearance" of "false teachers", "heresy(ies)", huh?

Yeah, my bad, I know and sorry. jcross19 is a complete different kettle of fish altogether. All he wants to do, is sit on his hands, let others go about doing the heavy lifting for him, whilst he looks on and later on, waiting for same others to come with answers or information on a gold platter and spoon feed him like a baby with it.

Please give some insight of what you read in it

"^7:10Then they took wives, each choosing for himself; whom they began to approach, and with whom they cohabited; teaching them sorcery, incantations, and the dividing of roots and trees.
^7:11And the women conceiving brought forth giants
^7:12Whose stature was each three hundred cubits. These devoured all [which] the labor of men [produced]; until it became impossible to feed them;"
- The Ethiopic version of the book of Enoch 7:10-12

"¹And they took wives for themselves and everyone chose for himself one each. And they began to go into them and were promiscuous with them. And they taught them charms and spells, and they showed them the cutting of roots and trees.
²And they became pregnant and bore large giants. And their height was three thousand cubits."
- The Book of Enoch. Chapter 7:1-2

I'll tell you what, among in it, I read before I chucked the book aside as complete nasty bad bullshit and a waste of time, it is in the Ethiopic version of the book of Enoch 7:10-12, where it said the height of the born baby giants were three hundred cubits, that is the length of one and of a half football field pitch, whilst other versions like the The Book of Enoch, even said it's actually three thousand cubits hence making the born baby giants to be as high as a 45-story building. Haba! Wetin now?

Yes, I must admit, I respect you for at least making some effort at giving answers to the questions put here unlike someone like jcross19 we know, who doesnt bother at all. These things are give and take, you do your bit and I'll reciprocate by doing my bit too. A candle loses nothing by lighting another candle
elated177, please tell, who the bible tells us will be doing the judging and whom the bible said, they will judge? You will see one glaring inconsistency from answering this question comparing your answer with what's in Jude 1:14-19, and that is in particular Jude 1:14-15 elated177

elated177:
Since your whole argument is dependent upon this, the onus of highlighting the Scriptures where such people are stated is on you. I will not do it for you.

I once said that jcross19 has only a hunger for knowledge, unlike elated177 you, who has a hunger for knowledge and thirst for truth, I am right about the jcross19 but I am wrong about you because you're not concerned about either of them.

I also earlier typed:
"elated177 is behaving as if someone duplicitous by incorrectly quoting me, erh jcross19? Please confirm the elated177 comment, is that what I typed or how I typed it"
but you then you responded to it with:
"Duplicitous? I am just going to ignore that. How and where did I quote you incorrectly?"

1/ Is it not deceitful, changing the the original subject to some unrelated, unconnected and totally different subject
2/ Is it not deceitful giving quite an inaccurate representation and/or an untrue summation of me concerning my stance on homosexuality, huh?
3/ Is it not deceitful resorting to personal digs and spinning half truths about me?.
4/ Is it not deceitful, prevaricating, dodging and parrying questions, huh?
5/ Is it not deceitful, you're trying hard to maintain a lie in the face of truth, huh?

I havent even scratched the tip of the iceberg yet, so how come you're saying the whole "argument" is dependent upon that, huh? I havent even started yet, to throw in any detail but the thing is, you know, your cover will be blown wide open and you will be exposed, if you should confirm, who the bible tells us will be doing the judging and whom the bible said, they will judge? The glaring inconsistency from answering this question, comparing your answer with what's in Jude 1:14-19, and that is in particular Jude 1:14-15, is why you're unwilling and turned back from answering the question.

I doubt you're familiar with the saying: "Knowledge is having the right answer. Intelligence is asking the right question."

You are intimidated by my question(s), the question(s) unnerved you, you lost courage and so took to run away from answering the question. I know your sorts, you are a ten a penny on Nairaland Religion forum, be all mouth and no trousers, when the chips were down, are AWOL and nowhere to be found playing well and no answers to give

You see elated177, you cant go toe to toe with me, because unlike you, who doesnt know what he is talking about, I know a whole lot and more on this homosexuality subject, you sneakingly on this thread sucked and drew me into. You can go write this down somewhere elated177, you do not have the mettle to survive, you have no stamina, you only, have the arrogance of a far-to-see and/or pharisaical spirit, delighting in his own ignorance. I will mop the floor with hundred times elated177, any day, any night, any time. You are ill-informed, and so unprepared that I'll beat you hands down and do it, without much effort, make light work of you and at the end of it, you will end up with what is called getting a trouncing and education
cc jesusjnr, Agrogbeide, Alexandro15

Agrogbeide:
I have made my stance clear on this matter and there will never be any going back.
You know I don't like wasting my phone ink over arguments and for this reason I will assume I never noticed the wrong interpretation of the subject concerning homosexuality in the book of Genesis, Judges, Romans, 1 Corinthians and 1 Timothy.

Agrogbeide, whether you decide to seek the truth or bury your head in the sand. Either way requires digging, so go ahead with burying you head in the sand. You can only avoid the truth for so long. Facts and truth do not stop to exist because they are ignored by likes like you Agrogbeide. Truth is available to only those who have the courage, to question, whatever it is, they have learned and have been taught. A horse can be taken to a river, but necessarily cant be forced to drink water.

Agrogbeide:
Since LGBT is OK by you there is no problem,

Agrogbeide, LGBT, that is between consenting adults and is not promiscious is OK by me. LGBT, that is, between consenting adults, and is not whorish, is OK by me. LGBT, that is between consenting adults and is not lustful, is OK by me. LGBT, that is between consenting adults, and is not licentious, is OK by me. LGBT, that is between consenting adults, and is not LGBT with benefits, is OK by me.

Agrogbeide:
but as for me I have washed my hands like Pilate

A woman can only run as fast as her boobs allow her is your situation, but just remember that, Pilate washed his off a good Man and then condemned the person to be crucified and to go die

Agrogbeide:
and nothing IN HEAVEN OR ON EARTH can ever make me consider any form of sexual relationship not under the marriage institution between a man and a woman as NORMAL!!!!! Full stop.

Agrogbeide, marriage, in the Bible, actually, is used as a metaphor for the union of the soul with God, which is between two and so full stop, the binary, obviously. I know you and your patner in crime, jesusjnr didnt know this.

Agrogbeide:
Thanks.

1/ Hypothetically speaking Agrogbeide, if this was your mom, dad, brother(s), sister(s), uncle(s), aunt(s), nephew(s), niece(s), cousin(s) kid(s) or grandkid(s) that are concerned would you still not consider it?
cc Alexandro15

alBHAGDADI:
were they born that way?

mention the name of the undiscovered tribe.

You always like to get educated here, don't you?

It doesn't matter if they were born that way or not, so stop buying for time.

Well, John Allen Chau is the latest victim who got killed by remote Amazonian tribe lately

alBHAGDADI:
Who are the those who never heard? Mention their names.

Is this also a question too hard to answer?

1/ Maybe a blind, deaf and dumb person
2/ Maybe a yet to be discovered tribe, like one in the Amazon, that has no contact with the civilised world.

alBHAGDADI:
Who are the those who never heard? Mention their names.

Is this really a question that is too hard for you to quickly answer in a sentence or two? SMH at you.

alBHAGDADI:
Who are the those who never heard?
Don't you know that some people deliberately shut themselves away from the gospel?
They saw God in nature but chose not to ask, seek and find him. They distanced themselves from God. Had it been they seek for God after seeing and marveling at his works, Hod would have reached out to them, but they didn't. Instead they chose to build their own god of idols. Them worshipping idols shows that they know of the concept of God, but they wanted their own which would pander to their desires which are mostly evil.

Do you think God did t give such people a chance? Look at Soon and Gomorrah, Lot was there to preach to them as one man, yet they still rejected. God sent Jonah to Nineveh and they repented. But here you are talking g as if God did t send people to Africa, whereas the Bible spoke of an Ethiopian Eunuch who use to go to the temple in Jerusalem. You also forgot that Jews who were traders and travelers carried their religion with them.

Mind you, God knows those who are his and who will be saved. If he didn't knock on your door, then blame yourself for not seeking for him. You simply shut yourself out. Even those who shut themselves away in jungles have a history of killing missionaries.

By the way, no man is judged towards eternal life due to his works.

I showed you a verse which says there is no works based salvation but faith based, you rejected

I showed you how Jesus rejected those who did wonderful works, you rejected.

Only for you to continue saying people will get eternal life due to their works which the Bible says are filthy rags. You simply say Jesus is not the only lying way to eternal life and that people can hold on to filthy rags to gain it.

What a shame.

Goodbye Mr Satanist, a title you haven't denied since I've been calling you that. No time to continue arguing with Satan's son about Jehovah my Father's words.

OK, hypothetically speaking, what is the fate of those who never heard about the gospel or about Jesus? Give your answer in one or at the most two sentences.

jesusjnr2:
Satan zombies trying to justify the abomination of homosexualism quoting the letters but as typical they would always fail.

You are one of the worst case(s) of satan zombies, an ignoranus dead fish going with the flow

jesusjnr2:
Matthew 15:11 (KJV)

Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.

Matthew 15:17-19 (KJV)
Do not ye yet understand, that whatsoever entereth in at the mouth goeth into the belly, and is cast out into the draught?
But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.
For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:
So Jesus said it's the things that proceeds from a man's heart, like abominable thoughts of a man of how to sleep with his fellow man, needless say carrying it out, that defiles a man, not whether he eats crayfish and shrimps, that he shits out into the toilet, Lol! grin

So a huge fail!

Better luck next time! grin

#satanzombie

You guys never cease to amaze me the length you'll go with all these your proof-texting, erh?

So now you want to be quoting Jesus, yeah? OK, show then, where Jesus said anything against homosexuality and I will show you where and how in the bible, Jesus said nothing when publicly opportuned to meet a same sex relationship person

Agrogbeide come and look at your patrner in crime jesusjnr aka jesusjnr2 making a right prat of himself here

elated177:
Leviticus 18:22 Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable.

¹⁶There are six things which the LORD hates,
Yes, seven which are an abomination to Him:
¹⁷Haughty eyes, a lying tongue,
And hands that shed innocent blood,
¹⁸A heart that devises wicked plans,
Feet that run rapidly to evil,
¹⁹A false witness who utters lies,
And one who spreads strife among brothers.
- Proverbs 6:16-19

elated177, please, homosexuality is not Satan's most powerful tool but it is promiscuity, being promiscuous that is one of Satan's most powerful tool

Also elated177, homosexuality is not hated by God, and you can see from Proverbs 6:16-19 above, a list of what God hates.
The list itemises what God finds detestable and is also a list of what is an abomination to God.

Proverbs 6:18, is where from, Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13 fits
but you need to ask yourself elated177, what specifically in Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13, is abomination to God
Re examine the scripture, to find out, what correctly, in Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13, is the committed abomination that's done before God? Get to the bottom of what correctly and pato, in Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13, is the thing(s) done, that God hates and/or detests?

Malachi 2:16, where God says, He hates divorce, also slots perfectly well in to Proverbs 6:18
Amos 5:21, where God says: "I hate your religious festivals, and I will not smell in your solemn assemblies" is another verse, again, that slots perfectly well in to Proverbs 6:18
cc jesusjnr, Agrogbeide

OkCornel:
Why are you using your own hands to contradict yourself? Don't you think at all?

Those that did not see Jesus, shebi they heard about Him and the Gospel before deciding to believe in Him or not?

alBHAGDADI, how did you eventually believe in Jesus? did you not hear the gospel first? Or did you just believe in Jesus out of thin air?
I am asking you this question again, what is the fate of those who never heard about the gospel or about Jesus?

This is a very easy, simple to answer straightforward question asked by OkCornel, and I am wondering why alBHAGDADI finds it hard to give an answer to the question. SMH

Heathen777:
A book inspired by a supposed Benevolent Being that condones slavery and orders ethnic cleansing genocides can't obviously be our best source for morality, now can it?

"²⁵Moses saw that Aaron had let the people get completely out of control, much to the amusement of their enemies.
²⁶So he stood at the entrance to the camp and shouted, “All of you who are on the LORD’s side, come here and join me.” And all the Levites gathered around him.
²⁷Moses told them, “This is what the LORD, the God of Israel, says: Each of you, take your swords and go back and forth from one end of the camp to the other. Kill everyone—even your brothers, friends, and neighbors.”
²⁸The Levites obeyed Moses’ command, and about 3,000 people died that day."
- Exodus 32:25-28

I told you earlier to forget mentioning slavery, as its just taking attention away from the thread's theme, but you not only persist to want to mix in slavery but you've gone to add in ethnic cleansing genocides

You are wrong in mistaking God's act of judgement for ethnic cleansing genocides. What you think is ethnic cleansing genocide actually is God's act of judgement and it is nemesis catching up on perpetrators.

Perpetrators of sin, are brought to justice, and even this kind of God's act of judgement, is not peculiar to heathen alone, because as you can see from Exodus 32:25-28 above, God brought similar act of judgement upon His own people when they too sinned,. It doesnt matter, if you are heathen or not, everyone gets their comeuppance in the end, so please dont next time, get these things twisted, OK?

jesusjnr2:
Leviticus 18:22 (KJV)
Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination. - God Almighty, Creator of man.

Heathen777:
How about you just keep your religion to yourself and let humans make laws based on human rights and liberty. If we are going by the bible standards then slavery would still be okay.
LEVITICUS 25:44 - 46:
44 “ ‘Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves.
45 You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property.
46 You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.

The slavery skew is just taking attention away from the theme, why not get him, jesusjnr to explain in a way that a two year old understands:
1/ Why Leviticus 18:22 is saying: "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankin" and that "it is abomination."

Heathen777:
The bible is obviously not the best source for deciding what is right and wrong.

You know this your comment here, isnt true and that you are joking, right?

Agrogbeide:
NIV:While they were enjoying themselves, some of the wicked men of the city surrounded the house. Pounding on the door, they shouted to the old man who owned the house, “Bring out the man who came to your house so we can have sex with him.”
NIV:The owner of the house went outside and said to them, “No, my friends, don’t be so vile. Since this man is my guest, don’t do this outrageous thing.
NIV:Look, here is my virgin daughter, and his concubine. I will bring them out to you now, and you can use them and do to them whatever you wish. But as for this man, don’t do such an outrageous thing.”
Judges 19:22-24

Agrogbeide, you sure enjoy and so much like being into this your proof-texting sharp practice a lot sha.

C'mon now, Agrogbeide, what has a bunch of wicked men, with intent to gang rape, have to do with the case of two easy going, ordinary consenting adults, minding their own businesses enjoying a life long caring, faithful, committed, truthful, honest, loving each other, lasting that's a lifetime life-long and loyal same-sex relationship, that is not causing damage or harm to another person, not betraying of another person, or even, not cheating on another person, and not being harmful to an object or neighbour, huh? You have with this, clutching straws and lost the plot.

Agrogbeide:
Muttleylaff bro, you know I have always admired your prowess when it comes to understanding of the scriptures not once not twice, I believe so much in growth and for this reason I have unlearned and abandoned many things I once cherished because if I see a light that shines better than mine I jump into it provided it is Divinely coated within and outside.
On this subject of HOMOSEXUALITY NO ANGEL NOT TO EVEN TALK OF A MORTAL CAN CHANGE MY MIND AND THERE IS NO REASON FOR US TO CONTINUE ARGUING ABOUT IT BECAUSE OUR PATHS ARE CLEARED IN REGARDS TO THIS SUBJECT AT HAND.

Agrogbeide, you already know I am a conscious deconstructionist, well, in addition, as it happens, I don't share on the forum because I think it will change the minds of people who think differently. No, I share, to give succour, to show and let people going through a worry and/or people who think like me, that they're not alone

Agrogbeide:
We can align in other subjects where I can learn better but certainly not on this subject concerning homosexuality because HOMOSEXUALITY IS ABOMINABLE.
Thanks.
God bless.

Nwanne, dont be afraid of answering questions. I have given you numerous and diverse opportunities, to in way that a two year old can understand, put your case forward and give answers to questions asked you, like for example, please show from the bible where it said homosexuality is abominable and explain in such a way that a two year old can understand, why homosexuality, allegedly by you, is abominable but I am still wondering why you and your buddy jesusjnr, find it hard to give answers to easy, simple and straightforward questions like and similar to those two, what's the matter, what's wrong, huh?

Would you and/or jesusjnr, have answered each of my questions, if you were not afraid of knowing the truth, hmm? The jesusjnr or your silence isnt empty, its full of answers, you both have refused to give. You see Agrogbeide, sometimes, you have to re-examine things properly and that is, re-examine, without burying your head in the sand, like you Agrogbeide have just declared you've chosen to do.

Agrogbeide:
Looooooool.

Keep on finding this funny and laughable, OK.
I doubt you'll be laughing if this were your mom, dad, brother(s), sister(s), uncle(s), aunt(s), nephew(s), niece(s), cousin(s) or grandkid(s) that are concerned

Agrogbeide:
AMP:Do you not know that the unrighteous and the wrongdoers will not inherit or have any share in the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived (misled): neither the impure and immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor those who participate in *homosexuality,*
AMP:Nor cheats (swindlers and thieves), nor greedy graspers, nor drunkards, nor foulmouthed revilers and slanderers, nor extortioners and robbers will inherit or have any share in the kingdom of God.
1 Corinthians 6:9-10

You and jesusjnr fit in snuggling like a hand in gloves with this 1 Corinthians 6:9-10

New words or phrases, should not and do not deviate from the original meaning or original intent
Please Agrogbeide, do not make the bible, with new words or phrases, say things, it didnt say, doesnt say, never said or mean in the first place

So I am going to give you an opportunity to "shine" with this question:
1/ Agrogbeide that "arsenokoites" in 1 Corinthians 6:9, please, what in this, its New Testament original text, does it mean and/or what was it meant to be describing, huh? You may ask your buddy, jesusjnr friend

Agrogbeide:
HOMOSEXUALITY IS ABOMINABLE!!!!!
THANKS.
GOD BLESS.

1/ If you are able and/or capable Agrogbeide, please show from the bible where it said homosexuality is abominable
2/ Please Agrogbeide, explain in such a way that a two year old can understand, why homosexuality, allegedly by you, is abominable
3/ Do you know this famous person's Mum, that goes by the name Gloria Carter?

Agrogbeide:
Kikikikikiki.......
Consent ko consent ni...... No harm ko no harm ni

The beagle that doesnt listen to the chief huntsman's warning whistle call will get lost.

Agrogbeide:
NIV:But since sexual immorality is occurring, each man should have sexual relations with his own wife, and each woman with her own husband.
NIV:The husband should fulfill his marital duty to his wife, and likewise the wife to her husband.
1 Corinthians 7:2-3
It is Man cum Woman in any sexual relationship and not Man cum Man, Woman cum Woman or Human cum Animals. Any sexual relationship outside the marriage institution between a man and a woman is abominable and must not be tolerable.

"³⁵Now if your countryman becomes destitute and cannot support himself among you, you are to help him like a foreigner or temporary resident, so that he can continue to live among you.
³⁶Do not take any interest or profit from him, but fear your God, that your countryman may live among you.
³⁷You must not lend him your silver with interest or sell him your food for profit."
- Leviticus 25:35-37

"Do not charge your brother interest on money, food, or any other type of loan."
- Deuteronomy 23:19

Agrogbeide, you have joined gang of prooftexting with your buddy jesusjnr huh? Do you see the ridiculousness of the nonsense you typed up there?. Now, tell me, after reading Leviticus 25:35-37 and Deuteronomy 23:19 above, does it mean we can take interesr from women or we can charge our sister interest on money food or any type of loan, huh? SMH. The lamb that follows the dog about, sooner or later will pick up its habit and begin to eat shit, is your case here. Let pesin wey get ear listen ooo.

Agrogbeide:
Homosexuality should be condemned but not Homosexuals

Look at yourself being confused. OK, tell now then, what exactly in homosexuality are you condemning Agrogbeide?

Agrogbeide:
Homosexuals should be reprove for their abominable actions so as to see the true light and accept first the Lord Jesus Christ and secondly the right and real form of sexual relationship

1/ Please state what exactly are the abominable actions Agrogbeide
2/ Are you saying you dont know of any in a sex same relationship that accepts the Lord Jesus Christ, as his or her Lord and Savior ni?

Agrogbeide:
I am not scared if the whole world supports one or many courses against the will of God, but just as in the days of Noah my help comes from God above and He will always destroy every works of iniquities and every moves against His perfect will.
Thanks.

God is love and the will of God is that we each and all should love too. Here are two easy going, ordinary consenting adults, minding their own businesses enjoying a life long caring, faithful, committed, truthful, honest, loving each other, lasting that's a lifetime life-long and loyal same-sex relationship, that is not causing damage or harm to another person, not betraying of another person, or even, not cheating on another person, and not being harmful to an object or neighbour but you hate them for loving each other, want to put a stop and stop them from loving each other. Ah, you should be ashamed of yourself for being such a bad and unloving person like this

OpenYourEyes1:
Homosexuality remains an abomination.. . nothing we say here will change this truth.

We all are sinners.
Never accommodate your sin and immorality. Always ask GOD for forgiveness, mercy and deliverance.

Every sinner deserves death.

1/ Please list here, what all else remains an abomination and let's then both take it from there
2/ Also please where you found it say, in the Bible that homosexuality is an abomination

Please don't hide from the question, like jesusjnr watching this post now, does. He is all bark and no bite, a pathetic toothless bigoted bulldog

There is a popular local colloquial that say:
"the pikin wey dem no teach well at home and wey no gree learn good home training,
na from outside hin go take learn am and na soso public who go educate, lesson and give am training"

This is the case and what is playing out for this incorrigible confused bigot homophobe ignoramus slash ignoranus jesusjnr here.

Baddiezz:
Lol na so we see am ,
that's an American actress on dp

Tut tut tut.

Baddiezz:
financially down

Really? Are you now?
How did it happen that you are financially down?
Do you still have the neck chain, top and bottom from your NL profile DP?

Baddiezz:
Well i am down, you can help me up �

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Literally? How? What's the matter? What happened?

Agrogbeide and the attention of interested parties, please DO NOT QUOTE my post above, otherwise, you'll likely trigger getting banned or something else, just open a new post and copy section(s) in my post you need responding to but dont ever click the "quote" link to my post above

I had the post put out of sight twice, so that it couldnt be seen, once yesterday early morning and again earlier today, this morning, which explains the seemingly double post. I am guessing, the post being a bit too long was the cause. Funnily enough, I also on top, acquired posting bans, the recent one, obviously now reversed

Agrogbeide:
Lol.
To your questions, "I will not consider anyone abhorrent or piece of junk if I find out they have affinity for homosexuality or are into the very act."

Good, good, what a very good thinking carefully and quietly response.

Agrogbeide:
LGBT are no better than other unbelievers and the best way to remedy their situation is to lift up holy hands and intercedes for them in prayer so that they can see the light, turn away from the wrong sexual relations and accept the Lord Jesus Christ.

Are liars, better than unbelievers Agrogbeide, huh? How about telling us, of the last time, in living memory that you last lied too and when next soon, like a cheap persia rug, you think you're going to lie again, huh?

If without the available hard evidence, I guess you could get away with the perpetrated lies about what Romans 1:25-27, Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13 really are about, but thank God, I can show you and jesusjnr, evidence for everything that is untrue about Romans 1:25-27, Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13 you bought into

Are you in a sneaky, indirect and unpleasant way trying to put out that the two easy going, ordinary consenting adults, minding their own businesses enjoying a life long caring, faithful, committed, truthful, honest, loving each other, lasting that's a lifetime life-long and loyal same-sex relationship, that is not causing damage or harm to another person, not betraying of another person, or even, not cheating on another person, and not being harmful to an object or neighbour necessarily have not accepted the Lord Jesus Christ, huh?

"There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus"
- Romans 8:1

Do you know who Mpho Andrea Tutu-van Furth is? Let me scantly introduce her to you Agrogbeide. She has two children and as much as you accept our Lord Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior, so does she too.

Please respect other people's LGBT sexual orientation, even if you dont understand or if it doesnt mean anything to you, it means a lot to them. Life Gets Better Together (LGBT), the moment we realise and recognise that every human being, regardless of sexual orientation leanings, deserves a safe and supportive environment to live in and live without feeling fear of whatsoever, persecution, discrimination, restraint or obligation.

Agrogbeide:
Homosexuality or any other form of sexual relations which is outside the normal male and female relationship under the marriage institution is what should be frowned at because it is not normal

Narrow dogmas like this, fit rather well into narrow minds. Everyone in this world is different, but the people who are truly brave enough to show their differences are considered embrassing or not "normal". Normal is not what is the exterior and/or outside Agrogbeide, normal is what is in the heart, inside.

1/ Agrogbeide, have you ever thought that not every gay relationship is necessarily anal penetrative, huh?
2/ Even if it's anal for some, Agrogbeide have you thought of where, there are partners who are not into same sex or gender relationships, that do practice and enjoy anal penetration during and/or in their sexual liasons?
3/ Have you ever thought that sex isnt necessarily the centre or defining aspect of most same sex relationships?
4/ Have you ever thought of love defining the relationship between two consenting adults, in such a way that they love each other, that they enjoy each other’s company, they are mutually respectful, mutually supportive to each other, without sex necessarily being the leading or most important thing for them, huh?. It’s those things, mutual love, mutual respect, mutual honesty, mutual truthfulness, mutually supportive of each other etcetera, that really matter, the most in the relationship, as like in any other relationship, whether heterosexual and homosexual, huh?
5/ What beef do you have against consenting adults who are breaking no laws and harming no one huh?
6/ Is it sin because two consenting adults love each other?

Agrogbeide:
And as for Romans 1:26-27 there is no need for further arguments about it because the truth and what it talks about are clearly explained and can be easily understood.
Thanks.
God bless

Agrogbeide, I tolerate ignoramuses and ignoranuses gladly but I dont with, those like jesusjnr, who show excessive pride in being an ignoramus and ignoranus rolled into one, so my dear nwanne friend, please from now on, try start being informed, and not just opinionated for the sake of it, remember that I started by asking you:
"please with a clear and clean conscience, would you say you have examined and inspected that Romans 1:25-27 closely and thoroughly enough to do a 2 Timothy 2:15 rightly handling the word of truth and correctly handle the word of truth about it, huh?

Have you done an exegesis of Romans 1:25-27, that's enough to the point where you can explain and interpret the verses in such a way, that a two year old would understand, huh?"

Remember too, that I further after the question, intimated you with a for your information, that Agrogbeide, Romans 1:18-32, especially verses 24, 26 & 27 are a rehash of Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13 with a twist

I mentioned to you that, Paul, with Romans 1:18-32, especially verses 24, 26 & 27, is echoing what happened around when the original Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13 were given. He then added the twist (i.e. Romans 1:26b: ... for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature) which is, the women too, have joined to be participants in the ongoing "detestable customs practised"

Agrogbeide, Romans 1:25-27, Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13 are caught up in deeper meanings that have to be studied. Agrogbeide never be afraid to go too far, for truth lies beyond

Agrogbeide, come here, closer, let me lean forward and say this, if you're reading Bible in translation(s), you can bet your bottom dollar that a good 90% of the real and original bible meanings are bungled, botched, twisted and/or fouled up. So what's the remedy for this? How does one counteract this Agrogbeide? Well whenever you read and study Bible, you first have to find out the "whys", if not, then, you don't know the meaning of the "whats" you have in front of you. Romans 1:25-27, Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13 are a good case in points.

I knew that all I so far being saying are surprising new information to you Agrogbeide and so the reason why I said, you stay away from bad influence because I know, blind as a bat jesusjnr, is a bad influence on you, and my advice was that you associate yourself with people of good quality, for it is better to be alone than to be in bad company with jesusjnr and ignoranus homophobes like him, as it is becoming my observation that you're as much, biblical illiterate on this same sex relationship issue, same as jesusjnr is.

jesusjnr has never been prepared nor has the strong frame of mind to stand toe to toe with me, to make a defense to this whole matter nor has he the boldness to go into simple questions and answers discussion with me. jesusjnr knows his cover will be blown and he will be exposed for his inhuman unwanted nonsense and public nuisance threads

jesusjnr is an insufferable bully, who struts around the forum like a cock and that is in all meanings of the word he revels in sh*tting all over the Religion forum, opening unimaginative threads, slandering people and creating homophobic threads.

A good few years ago, I read the owner of Nairaland type on twitter saying:
“It's not "better to keep silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt." If your folly isn't exposed, how can you learn”?

If you keep sending away every person who challenges you by rocking your boat, you will never learn and grow. Some people cross path with you in your life to sharpen you, but don't make the mistake of having a wrong person, like jesusjnr your best friend! Remember the growth comes by pruning, running dead leaves that is.

Agrogbeide dont fall victim of the ultimate ignorance, which is the rejection of something you already properly know nothing about, yet refuse to investigate. The immediate and unceasing question that you always should be asking is:
What is the actual truth in these matters?

Truth, Agrogbeide, is like the sun. You can shut it up but it doesnt mean it’s gone away, or you can try shut it out for a time, but truth is a snitch, it always is, one day, going to tell.

Baddiezz:
knew I'd spot you here

I know you that, if you ever let your head down, it will be just to admire your shoes but as for me, if and when I look down, it's to see how I am to help up

My first banned post, put out of sight by the system, so it couldnt be seen. I have deleted it because it's serving as a double of the one below