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Agrogbeide:
Lol. OK o

Agrogbeide, yeah, laugh, that's only and all you can do about jesusjnr because he types like a clown and without gumption nor intelligence.

image123 among others, knows this guy that behaves like a goat without a rope string on. Whenever anyone calls him out, he won't engage but only resorts to posting this ridiculous puerile jpeg and deflecting from the issue on the table.

He doesn't see the forest, for the trees. He has a chip on his shoulder. Slanders people left right and centre. He has a low self esteem so submits cheesy posts, littering the forum with them, fishing for validation and approval from other posters

I have it on record saying I don't read any post Otem puts out because it is always worthless. It is when somebody like jesusjnr, who should know better, decides to stick their neck above the parapet and start to misyarn that I come after the jesusjnr type. I gave this jesusjnr, every opportunity to defend his stances but he couldn't muster the courage to stand up for what he thinks he knows or understand. Each time anyone tries to put a straight stick alongside his crooked stick, he goes jelly leg wobbly and scurries away like a gutter rat. He is spineless and ought not to be reckoned with. Is all that really proofs? Won't stand up in a court of law. Agrogbeide is intelligient to see through the jesusjnr ruse and smokescreen

Agrogbeide:
The problem of most Christians is Pride and Arrogance. They are always scared to approach another level of light even when it is showing them that their present level is outdated, they will not because they have gathered enough joy and audience from their formal state and this is the simple cause of different denominations and doctrines in Christendom.
God never allows His own to wallow in darkness for too long especially when they are seeking Him with a pure heart and pure love.
Let's take for example, God might "seems to answer your prayers" when you pray that people should fall and die because at this level this is your current understanding about prayer. But since it doesn't conforms to His will He will quickly makes provisions in order for you to come into proper understanding on how you should pray for people that seems to trouble you instead of praying for their instant death. Even till this moment, because of some testimonies recorded in the past, many churches are still praying such kind of nonsense prayers even when the light is pointing them to the right direction. They pretend not to see the light because they are scared of losing their audience and the revelations they most cherish.
If you see light check if it's that of the Holy Spirit and when it has been proven true accept it and let your mind be at rest because if your eyes becomes blind to it you will grope in darkness. The Holy Bible and other Spirit inspired books are there for you to do proper research.
@jesusjnr go read the letters of Apostle Paul again but now before you do ask the Holy Spirit to guide you and don't come along with your former and outdated knowledge. His letters and teachings are in total alignment with that of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. And for your claims concerning Muttleylaff I can't verify if it is true or not but I will definitely call him out just as I did to you if I find or read any of his testaments that is contrary to the Lord Jesus Christ and His gospel.
A WISE WORD FOR ONE IS A WORD FOR ALL.
THANK YOU.
GOD BLESS.

I couldnt have said it more better than the way you captured the insecurities, the ignorance, the low self esteem that chases after validation from other posters, like nwanne jesusjnr has and does

It was Peter who opened the door of the Kingdom to the Jews on the day of Pentecost. It was, same Peter too, who opened the door of the Kingdom to the Gentiles at the House of Cornelius. Keys open doors, but old ways wont open new doors. Still round the corner there may wait, a new road or a secret gate. Faithless, is someone like jesusjnr, who says farewell, when he sees the road darkened ahead him.

It simply isnt an adventure worth telling, if there arent any dragons and lying demons from the pit of hell slained

Agrogbeide, a candle like you, loses nothing by lighting another candle, unlike jesusjnr, I would very much love and appreciate it, if you call me out, over a healthy, mature, meaningful dialogue and conversation, maybe to shed more light on whatever my comments you've observed and we have a discussion

The Lesson of the Lamp
¹⁶No one lights a lamp and covers it with a jar or puts it under a bed. Instead, he sets it on a lampstand, so those who enter can see the light.
¹⁷For there is nothing hidden that will not be revealed, and nothing concealed that will not be known and illuminated.
¹⁸Pay attention, therefore, to how you listen. Whoever has will be given more, but whoever does not have, even what he thinks he has will be taken away from him.”
- Luke 8:16-18

The light of the truth can be harsh to the eyes of those that have been in the dark for too long. There is a western part of the country colloquial, that says:
"Ti ogun ẹni ba daniloju, a maa jẹnlẹngẹ fi gba ori"
which loosely translated means:
"When you have confidence in your juju charm, you can knack or smack it on your head, safely and gently without having any problem"

jesusjnr is a paper tiger, and one, that has the arrogance of an ignoranus delighting in his own ignorance.

lindq:
You must have come across the post penned by alBHAGDADI, located [url=https://www.nairaland.com/5133118/daddy-freeze-proverbs-psalms-not]HERE[/URL] which eventually made it to front-page.


Examine the headline: Daddy Freeze: Proverbs, Psalms Not Written By Christians, Not Good For Doctrine
(Emphasis mine).

From the highlighted portion of the headline, one would think Daddy Freeze actually meant that those Scriptures are bad, and from the OP's defence, citing the likes of 1 Timothy 3:16 (which states that all the Scriptures area inspired by the Holy Spirit) to buttress his point, one would think Daddy Freeze actually tried to discredit the validity of those passages.

How true is this?

Everyone knows how much this man has been reviled, disputed and even threatened with all manner of retribution thus it comes as little to no surprise that tactics such as out of context red herrings and even outright falsehoods are employed to paint him black as they want.

Firstly, the picture attached to this post is the screenshot of exactly what Daddy Freeze said in his post (which alone should convince you of the desperation of the OP to create a mountain out of a molehill).


Now, what Daddy Freeze was actually saying (which the OP largely misconstrued) was that both passages (and the entirety of the Old Testament, which includes the Pentateuch and the writings of the other prophets) are not, and should never be basis or foundations of the Christians under the New Covenant. Why's that?

True, all Scriptures are inspired (God-breathed even) but the laws, traditions and writings of the Old Covenant are not foundations for the the New Covenant the very moment you are baptised into Christ. Take a clear illustration made by Paul:

* A woman married to a man is bound by a marital "Covenant" as long as the man lives and marrying another man while her husband lives makes her an adulteress, but the moment the man dies, she is released from that "Covenant" and no longer under considered "married" to her dead husband:

“Do you not know, brothers and sisters—for I am speaking to those who know the law— that the law has authority over someone only as long as that person lives? For example, by law a married woman is bound to her husband as long as he is alive, but if her husband dies, she is released from the law that binds her to him. So then, if she has sexual relations with another man while her husband is still alive, she is called an adulteress. But if her husband dies, she is released from that law and is not an adulteress if she marries another man.” (Romans 7:1-3)

** Paul likens this situation to the "marriage" of God's people to the Old Covenant, stating by death (through which the Law was "nailed to the cross" — Colossians 2:14) those who are under the New Covenant have no binding to the old, "dead" Law:


“So, my brothers and sisters, you also died to the law through the body of Christ, that you might belong to another, to him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God. For when we were in the realm of the flesh, the sinful passions aroused by the law were at work in us, so that we bore fruit for death. But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code.” (vv. 4 -6)

This is absolutely clear. The moment you are baptised into Christ (i.e. “dying with Christ” — Romans 6:3-4) you are free from the Old Covenant, its Laws, traditions, writings and doctrines (which was solely for the people of Israel).

Having said that, is it wrong that Daddy Freeze advises Christians to not make a foundation on Psalms or Proverbs (amongst the many others) for their doctrines under the New Covenant?

Absolutely not!

Does this mean Psalms and Proverbs are not inspired by God or bad? Absolutely not.

It simply means that while Scriptures from the Old Covenant may be good for studying, even learning from (just as a widow married to another man could take note of things from her previous marriage and learn from them), they should not necessarily be a building block for the New Covenant (as a widow shouldn't necessarily build or approach her marriage to her new man on the knowledge and experiences from the her dead husband as her marriage to the new man is a whole new marriage entirely).

So, from what Daddy Freeze said, are you going to base your doctrine on David and Solomon (who were ruled by the law), or on Christ Jesus (into whole you are baptised)?


This is a no-brainer for even a baby Christian.

Headlines could be deceiving, people who derive pleasure in putting words in people's mouth should be ashamed.

Remain blessed.

MuttleyLaff:
It is because of people like you alBHAGDADI who base your doctrines on enemy assassination prayers etcetera influenced by Psalms and Proverbs verses that Freeze made the comment

MuttleyLaff:
jesusjnr and alBHAGDADI should go start fertilizer plants.

alBHAGDADI will distort anything in the bible in order to justify entitlement to tithes and so validate, spread and promote obligatory or imposed ecclesiastical monitised tithing. jesusjnr, on the other hand, in cahoot with luvmijeje, is an easily scared, self styled attacker of Apostle Paul who relishes in laying charges against Paul, by slandering and codemning him

lindq, thank you jor and God bless you real good for your timely rebuttal post

frank317:
Frank: how can God give humans brains and not expect them to use it to question perceived inconsistencies from God?

Muttely: even animals have brains

Frank: how can u compare animal brains with humans brains, perhaps u don't understand my point

Muttley: u mentioned brain first , I am only trying to tell u that animals have brains that is not half the capability of human brain yet they don't question inconsistencies

Frank:

"Is this what God told you? You make God sound like an arrogant man.
He can't create humans with brains and say he Owes them any explanation even when his actions are so contradictory and unreasonable."
- by frank317: 7:43am On Apr 14 2019

"God created humans with brains, same way He created animals with brains and this is what He gets from humans. Ingratitude and unappreciativeness from someone like you and the others. "
- by MuttleyLaff: 8:21am On Apr 14 2019

"frank317, I said you brought up first, the issue about brain now, and that I only advanced on you introducing it first, like me noticing that animals dont even have half capabilities of human brain yet they dont entertain, harbour and/or foster the hate for God, like you have. Or do you want to say, you love God, huh?"
- by MuttleyLaff: 6:37pm On Apr 14 2019

frank317, can you see from the above inverted commas above that you are degenerating, taking a turn for the worse and being disingenious by half heartedly and incorrectively quoting me, huh? Tut-tut-tut tut.

frank317:
That's why we are here... To prove who is actually mad.

Well, I've already admitted that those who dance like me, are considered mad by those like you, who can't hear the music nor understand the beat

frank317:
God is not in competition with humans but he is busy taking glory in a world where man is in charge of his destiny... Ur God should get a job.

Oh pulease, stop being such a drama queen and trying to blow everything totally out of proportion

frank317:
I guess u mean ur religion... Other peoples religion is not pure...lol.

I can see frank317 that you are so naive about what true and pure religion that has no fault and one that God approves is

frank317:
We determined our destiny but God takes the glory when we make the right choice... Listen to urself.

You first mentioned destiny frank316, I am just developing upon what you first brought up now. Have you not heard that we are created to manifest the glory of God within us ni?

frank317:
Yesoooo... I am giving him the chance to prove he exists... That door may soon likely close though.

frank317, dont you know that, a man without God is a rebel, and this solely because removing God from a state of existence, is a great act of rebellion.

frank317:
I know money is real.. There is no prove that God is real.

O paari, end of movie, frank317 says, he knows money is real. frank317 you believe money is real, yet you have problems believing God is real. What a bummer

frank317:
I know this story but as a joke...

Yeah right, an expensive joke that cost him his life, right?

frank317:
Eventually God allowed him to die? What's with God and this silly faith thingy...

No, whats with humans, just like you and him, having this emotional problem with and/or inhibition to faith, huh?

frank317:
His laws seem to be more powerful than him.

Dont be silly, how can you trivialise the word(s) and law(s) of God? It is God's prerogative to respect rules He Himself set or laid down now

frank317:
Despite knowing the man was sure that leaving the branch will kill him, why was it important to him that the man does something that he knows will kill him to save him...

frank317, was the man not reassured with the following comment?: "let go of the branch Jack. Just trust Me Jack. Let go Jack"

frank317:
I also remember him asking Abraham to kill his son... The God in ur head is insane

frank317, do you also remember whether or not, there was a happy ending to the "Abraham to kill his son" story huh?

jesusjnr:
Not just pray but also add some dry fasting to your praying because I coming out with more of the mistakes of Paul's teachings, and the concrete understanding you talk about that I lack in that respect, you can keep them because they are useless at my level of walk with God.

That fellow that you're mentioning in the same breath with me is a wolf dressed in sheep clothing, a wicked Christian, a gay advocate, an abortion advocate, a sexist etc., and just knows the letters but not the truth.

I didn't know those other stuffs about him, but I first encountered him in that very thread about the mistakes of Paul's teachings, and I was able to tell that guy was not worth any serious attention.

And It was only later on that I was able to discover the other things about him, and I had someone who wanted to call him out concerning his hypocrisy, but I stopped her, telling her not to get into the gutter with him, for he wasn't worth it.

And I had another guy confirming the gay stance of that guy and have also heard him talking about the details of gay sex with an atheist here.

So be very careful who you endorse here for some are just here with the letters but no truth in their lives, and therefore I had not granted this guy any audience since my first encounter with him despite that he had been chasing me all over the place, as you can see for yourself, because such a person would need to repent first from his wickedness and sinful ways before it would be wise for me to have any meaningful conversation with him.

So let him keep chasing shadows where I am, for no be by noise making, but it's but by spiritual quality, so if he really wants my attention he must repent, for there are sinners and there are sinners, but an arrogant sinner is the worst sinner that there is!

Thank you bro!

Preach the truth, regardless it fills a room or clears it out, is not much to ask, is it?

"Ariwo ko ni music" loosely translated means
"some people are like music, some speak the truth, others, are just making noise"

This is exactly what empty barrels like jesusjnr does, making loud noise, famzing, seeking validation and/or approval from other posters. "Ma lu pangolo upandan, when ma se ariwo beyen, kọ ni music", loosely translated means "be hitting tins together, littering the forum with nuisance posts, when making noise upandan the place like that, isnt at all about making good music"

Liar, liar, liar. Big liars, like this shameless scaredy cat jesusjnr, true to their nature, begin with making falsehood, appear like truth, and end with making truth itself appear like falsehood. I just dont know how someone like him, I mean this jesusjnr and particularly in his immediate post above, can tell so much barefaced lies and not manage to feel bad about telling the shameless lies. I hate liars, especially when all I do is to confront them to keep it real with them, but a liar, like jesusjnr, is a man in fear of the truth and fear of knowing the truth.

There is no better test of a man's integrity than his behavior when he is wrong and cornered over it. A real man will be honest, no matter how painful the truth is and hands up, but a yellow bellied coward like this jesusjnr fellow will cower, crouch down in fear and hide behind deceits and lies. Jobless yeye dey smell. I've learnt that, the only thing worse than a liar, is a liar that's also a hypocrite and a bad liar, this chap gets the award for the lot.

One day, one day, monkey go go market, hin no go return back. Mark it down jesusjnr, no be curse ooo. When you see me on your lane or otherwise, disappear kiamosa, clear road comot, dont even let me take sight of your rear lights, run like the sky is falling, go hide from me

therealakuko:
The scripture is categorically clear...
Deut 28: 18 (NIV)....You must not bring the earnings of a female prostitute or of a male prostitute into the house of the LORD your God to pay any vow, because the LORD your God detests them both.

PaulAris:
Don't be ridiculous!
If you is, then stop!

therealakuko, you who cant accurately quote bible chapter and verse correctly, but never mind that, just kindly in a way that a two year old can understand, and this is particularly, if at all, you really do know, please tell and explain to us, the reason why, what type of prostitutes is being talked of here and also tell the cause why God said they must not bring their earnings into the house of the LORD, God to pay any vow, because the LORD, God detests them both. Thank you therealakuko.

Agrogbeide:
God has really raised men here like Budatuum, Muttleylaff, Ihedenobi, jesusjnr, and some other great men I can't really remember their monikers in tackling these false teachers. alBHAGDADI is also part of this great men even though he lacks the proper understanding to this matter at hand. These men have the time and grace to counterattack these false folks any minute given but as for me I don't because I hate deliberating much on these folks. Even the one that made this statement you just posted still went on loggerhead with His opponents until His last breath on the Cross of Calvary because it was very important for Him to do so.
So if you have the Time, Grace, and Stable Faith to bring to order this sets of false folks and their doctrines please do. The only thing I owe them is a Fervent, Effectual and Righteous Prayer and if time and chance demand I can also argue against anything that is not found in the Gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ by the Help and Comfort of the Holy Spirit.
Nothing that does not work for God's Pleasure and Purpose, it can be arguments or controversies but the fact still remains that the LORD JESUS CHRIST IS GOD AND NOTHING CAN CHANGE HIM. We should be happy because all these arguments and controversies are making men examining GOD and in the process many are getting acquainted with the TRUTH without the help of any preacher which totally aligns with the work of the HOLY SPIRIT.
Thanks.
God bless you bro.

jesusjnr and alBHAGDADI should go start fertilizer plants.

alBHAGDADI will distort anything in the bible in order to justify entitlement to tithes and so validate, spread and promote obligatory or imposed ecclesiastical monitised tithing. jesusjnr, on the other hand, in cahoot with luvmijeje, is an easily scared, self styled attacker of Apostle Paul who relishes in laying charges against Paul, by slandering and codemning him

frank317:
Brought what first? U obviously missed the point of my brain analogy that's why u are bringing animal brain into it. How can u even compare animal brain with humans just because I said God gave humans brain and not expect them to point out inconsistencies in his dealings?
Does animal brain even have half capabilities of human brain? U guys are just ridiculous.

I dont see any brain analogy you made in your post the last two pages past

frank317, I said you brought up first, the issue about brain now, and that I only advanced on you introducing it first, like me noticing that animals dont even have half capabilities of human brain yet they dont entertain, harbour and/or foster the hate for God, like you have. Or do you want to say, you love God, huh?

frank317:
Lol... Unfortunately u don't even sound like someone who understand the God u created.

Those who dance like me, are considered insane by those like you, who can't hear the music nor understand the beat

frank317:
This is why I say u guys are double mouthed. We have Christians thanking God and giving testimonies after recovering from illness even after being treated in the hospital by man.
Even all the human efforts in Nigeria, during the Ebola epidemic, to reduce the effect got a lot of u all thanking God and giving him the glory.
How is he not taking the glory again?

frank317, at the end of the day, when everything is taken into consideration, God has the glory, without diminishing any human effort. God is not in competition with any human being frank317

frank317:
Glad u know this...keep it up man. Don't allow religion spoil this mindset. God has not thing to with our life and this quote says it all

frank317, there is only one true and pure religion, that has no fault and that God approves of. God has a great deal to do with our lives

frank317:
We determine our destiny. Thanks.

I am glad to see you know that we determine our destiny. Life, frank317, is a journey, not a destination yet, because you determine your destiny by the direction, freewill choices and action you take

frank317:
Lol...the only reason I should believe in the existence of God is when I can say beyond reasonable doubt that God exists... For I am almost certain he does not exist.

I like how you said "almost certain", and leaving the door slightly ajar unclosed. Clever guy.

Do you believe God and/or money are real?

frank317:
How?

Why would you, how could you say?:
"i havent seen any God to ask any question. I cannot be talking to myself in the name of asking question" sic

Are you really waiting to physically see God, huh?

frank317, have you ever heard the "Let Go of the Branch" story, hmm?

Well, its about a man named Jack, and the story goes that, he was taking an evening stroll, was walking along a steep cliff one day when he accidentally got too close to the edge of the cliff and fell.

On the way stumbling down, he managed to grab a tree branch, which temporarily stopped his fall. He knew to his horror that the canyon fell straight down for more than a thousand feet, so held on tightly to the tree branch. He soon realised that he couldn't hang onto the tree branch forever, and there was no way for him to climb up the steep wall of the cliff. So Jack began yelling for help, hoping that someone above passing by, would hear him and lower a rope or something.

HELP! HELP! Is anyone up there? "HELP!" Jack shouted

He yelled for a long time, but no one heard him. His voice has become hoarse and he was about to give up when he heard a voice, saying, "Jack, Jack. Can you hear me?"

"Yes, yes! I can hear you. I'm down here!" Jack ecstatically answered overpowered by a sudden feeling of relief and emotion

"I can see you, Jack. Are you all right?" the voice asked

"Yes, but who are you, and where are you? Jack answered back

"I am the Lord, Jack. I'm everywhere." the voice said

"The Lord? You mean, GOD?" Jack asked surprisingly

"Yeah, that's Me Jack." the voice confirmed to be God's.

"God, please help me! I promise, if you'll get me down from here, I'll believe you exist, I will stop sinning. I'll be a really good person. I'll serve You for the rest of my life."

"Easy on the promises, Jack. Let's get you off from there first, then we can talk."

"Now, here's what I want you to do Jack. Listen carefully."

"I'll do anything, God. Just tell me what to do."

"Okay Jack. Let go of the branch."

"What?"

"I said, let go of the branch Jack. Just trust Me Jack. Let go Jack"

There was a long silence.

Finally Jack, in the pitch black below freezing point cold dead in the night temperature yelled, "HELP! HELP! IS ANYONE ELSE UP THERE?"

At crack of dawn at the first break of light, the search party came about Jack's dead frozen body found still clutching for dear life to the tree branch. The tragedy and body blow was that when the search party team found Jack's body, his feet were dangling 3 inches from the ground.

MeetDx:
The serpent was a humanoid before it was cursed to crawl on its belly after deceiving Eve and Adam to disobey God; Genesis 3:14

Emmaxx:
NO CHRISTIAN SHOULD BELIEVE THIS UNSCRIPTURAL STATEMENT. The Last Days agents are here to mislead many into heresy!

jesusjnr:
Good we agree on something.

jesusjnr, it is better to speak your mind and tell the truth than to remain mute or silent and lie to yourself. Don't be afraid to speak your mind. Never be afraid to speak your mind, God gave you one for a reason. Speak your mind and fear less the label of "madcap" than the stigma of conformity. Kids can easily be forgiven being afraid of the dark, the bad and ugly; but it becomes a real tragedy of life, when grown arse men like you jesusjnr, are afraid to talk of the light.

jesusjnr, I earlier said, since you seem to cocksure know what you are talking about, then please and kindly in a way that a two year old can understand, and this is particularly, if at all, you really do know, tell and explain to us, what the serpent was before it got transformed into a snake and why you insist that the serpent wasnt humanoid before it was cursed to crawl on its belly after deceiving Eve and Adam to disobey God

Would have doffed my hat to you and said, what a fearless guy, knowing that you are scared shitting your pants replying to those two questions repeated above but you still went ahead answering them and not avoiding them or giving them a wide berth

MeetDx:
The serpent was a humanoid before it was cursed to crawl on its belly after deceiving Eve and Adam to disobey God; Genesis 3:14

jesusjnr:
This is a big lie from the pit of hell!
Absolutely no iota of truth in it!
Believe it to your own peril!
A word is enough for the wise!

jesusjnr, since you seem to cocksure know what you are talking about, then please and kindly in a way that a two year old can understand, and this is particularly, if at all, you really do know, tell and explain to us, what the serpent was before it got transformed into a snake and why you insist that the serpent wasnt a humanoid before it was cursed to crawl on its belly after deceiving Eve and Adam to disobey God

naturalgirl:
1.Clarity on some things
2.Clarity, get closer to God
3. I was not aware but I am now
4. I didn't know but do now

Thanks for the great questions. Things for me to think about.

#4 had a typo (i.e. missed out typing ''not'') and now edited to correct it
Meditate on His precepts, delight in His statutes and ways, study them day and night, then that you 'll have clarity to observe to do according to all that is the Father's will and be closer to Him. Enoch got closer to God by walking with Him and not necessarily through fasting

frank317:
are you comparing animal brain with human? hmmm

You brought up first, the issue about brain now, I only advanced on you introducing it, like noticing that animals have brains, but they dont entertain, harbour and/or foster the hate for God you have. Or do you love God, huh?

frank317:
you guys should take a side already. if man is in charge of this earth, God should leave man run his things and not come out to take the glory when man gets things right after so many trial and error.

Your problem is you have all the ready made answers to everything under the sun concerning God but dont understand diddly squat and so you keep on doing the paralogism, in addition to being truculent just for the sake and sound of it.

frank317, no one is taking the glory when man gets things right after many trial and error, have you forgotten Genesis 3:19, to the effect saying "man will have to work hard and sweat to make things happen", huh?

Life is like a bucket of pearls mixed in with a lot of worthless pebbles. So the onus rests on you to sift through a lot of stuff, pick things up, look at what you've picked up and when you stumble on pearls, then to dust them down, wipe and brush them up, until they bring out the shine, the luster, the sparkle and the light in them to illuminate you and what's around you

frank317:
Its not even as if this God has been proven to exist... the only God we have been discussing is the one in ur mind.

frank317, please never believe in the existence of God because you have to. The only reason you should believe in God, is because you freewill want to and most importantly, because it is the right and wise thing to do. OK?

frank317:
i havent seen any God to ask any question. I cannot be talking to myself in the name of asking question

Odiegwu!. Fair dos but you really are biased and not being fair in your observation though

MeetDx:
Gospel of the serpent seed. This clearly shows that the first sin was fornication; which obviously happened between the serpent and Eve before she went home and taught her husband (Adam).
This also is a clear indication that the serpent was humanoid before he was cursed to crawl on his belly (Genesis 3:14).
Carry on brah! Knowing the truth will make us free, isn't it?

Proverb 30:20
Such is the way of an adulterous woman; she eateth, and wipeth her mouth, and saith, I have done no wickedness.

MeetDx:
Eve and the serpent committed fornication first, before she introduces her husband into it; that's how bad sleeping with an adulterous woman is! Adam knew she had loss her innocence to the serpent but still went on polluting himself with her, thereby participating her sin!

OLAADEGBU:
I knew this was the kind of heretical teaching the OP will fall into if he continues to believe and teach this erroneous teaching.

The sexiest body part is your mind. The eyes are useless when the mind is blind to see

jesusjnr:
Yeah!

Your extent of spiritual depth has made you to adjudge me based on only what a single person in faceless forum comments on my thread?

So going by that you are also judging yourself based on all the contrary comments that have been made on all your threads.

Thought you were willing to learn the truth about what God originally intended for man when he first created him.

But now I know your spiritual blindness knows no bounds as many of your fellow christians here.

Good riddance!

#Jesuswasalsocalledbythelikesofyouaheretic

Blindfold ignorance, then start to see a lot more when we read with more than one set of eyes.

UceeGod:
This your "serpent seed" theory has no biblical basis. Like I heard someone on radio in Abeokuta said Cain was the seed of the serpent - a product of satan and eve. But Genesis 4:1 proves it wrong

"¹The man was intimate with his wife Eve, and she conceived and gave birth to Cain.
She said, “I have had a male child with the Lord’s help. ”
²She also gave birth to his brother Abel..."
- Genesis 4:1-2a

1/ How has Genesis 4:1 proved anything wrong?
2/ Have you read beyond Genesis 4:1, further on to Genesis 4:2a?

alBHAGDADI:
If by now you do not know that Daddy Freeze is out to pull you away from your journey towards discovering God, then I guess it's because you were never really on such journey. Today, a post he made on social media further proves what many are saying about him, that he's an Antichrist out forward to deceive many.

In the post he made, he stated that the books of Proverbs and Psalms were not written by Christians but by Solomon and David and we should not build our doctrines on them. See screenshot below.

What he has clearly said is that we should get a knife and cut out those two books from our Bible because they were not written by Christians. I think he just couldn't boldly day we should cut out the entire old testament, because those books therein where not written by Christians at all.

What he has clearly done is to preach heresy. Now, are we to follow his advice? No, because it will spell doom. We can't throw seat any portion of the Bible because they are a God's word given by inspiration and are all profitable for doctrine.

2 Timothy 3:16-17 (KJV)
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

If the passage above says all scriptures written in the big are profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness so that a man of God may be perfect, then don't you think that you taking away the books of proverbs and Psalms will reduce us from being perfect?

Let's even examine the books he wants us to throw away.

We all know Psalm 23 and how powerful that chapter is. Freeze wants us to throw it away, meaning he wants to disarm us of that powerful weapon against the enemy.

What about the verse below from Proverbs the book of wisdom?

Proverbs 13:24 (KJV)
He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes.

Both books contain solid messages which help build and strengthen our faith, yet Daddy Freeze says you should throw them away and build your faith on only Jesus, as if he really cares about Jesus. Yes, Jesus is the author and finisher of our faith, but the same Jesus said he didn't come to abolish the law and the prophets, rather he came to fulfill them.

Mathew 5:17-18
[17] Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
[18] For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Freeze hates Jesus that's why he wants to remove portions of the Bible, but he has already failed because Jesus said not one jot or title will pass away.

Mathew 24:35
Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

Now, if our Lord and savior Jesus Christ never told us to throw away his words in the old testament, who is Freeze to tell us otherwise?

Everything written in the old testament was not only written for those of old but for us.

1 Corinthians 10:11
Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.

The main reason why Freeze and his kind are against the old testament is because of it contains majority of the law of God which he frowns against when broken. They want a situation whereby you won't even know what the law of God is, which means you will just live life as you please and suffer consequences when God punishes you.

Stay away from Freeze because he has been contracted to deceive baby Christians and those who are unsaved.

It is because of people like you alBHAGDADI who base your doctrines on enemy assassination prayers etcetera influenced by Psalms and Proverbs verses that Freeze made the comment

frank317:
This sounds more like how u think than how any God thinks.

Is this what God told you? You make God sound like an arrogant man. He can't create humans with brains and say he Owes them any explanation even when his actions are so contradictory and unreasonable.

Look you trying to explain away (and doing it badly by the way) how God prefers to watch man do trial and error for thousands of years. Who bears the cost of man's mistakes? Yet he takes the glory for mans success, telllin man he can do nothing without him.

Then when u run out if explanation, u suddenly remember God owes no one any explanation.
Why then is God all over the place in the bible talking trash, making silly promises he can't keep!

You are usually the objective one out of the others, why the sudden departure from being objective frank317?

God created humans with brains, same way He created animals with brains and this is what He gets from humans. Ingratitude and unappreciativeness from someone like you and the others. In all your life, I doubt you've ever had a good word to put in for God and now you on top want to tag God has been arrogant.

I havent been trying to explain nothing away, I merely have been following on to comments about "man doing trial and error" done by another poster. I didnt introduce the phrase "man doing trial and error" to the thread.

Thomas Edison famously said: "genius is 1% inspiration and 99% perspiration" and that "I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work." Stop being disrepectful, saying God is talking trash and making silly promises. Dont you remember what Genesis 1:28 says, huh? Who is meant to be in charge of earth in that verse, huh? Who was given the responsibility to take charge and look after earth in that verse, huh? Who was advised to subdue the earth in that verse, hmm? The ball is in man's court to kick about for 7000 years, after which, every man will give account of the talent(s) handed him/her. Will give account, explain or justify every careless word spoken, thought, deed and action.

frank317:
The same God who owes man no explanation? How will man check and get the right thing if God answers not questions?

Dont quote me out of context man.
1/ Have you asked God questions and never got answers?
2/ What questions have you asked God that you got no answers back from?

ThothHermes:
Name two famous Nigerian men of God that you think are genuine. The examples of Gbile Akanni and WF Kumuyi seem to meet your criteria. They have not been involved in any scandals that I'm aware of, they don't stage miracles and do not flout any regulations.

I think Adeboye should also make the cut no?

You are so naive ThothHermes, you are not aware of the behind closed doors (ab)use of import duty waivers deals with establisment, these guys are involved in and so you say, no scandals you are ware of. I am not going to mention names but will say Gbile Akanni for the past 30 years plus has, in areas I know of, always been shoulder higher than the other two, you've mentioned so far

IAmSabrina:
I could accept this explanation but for the fact that god permitted these evils to exist in the first place

Why shouldn't He permit the evil(s) to emanate in the first place, afterall He did warn of the repercussion of disobeying His one and only simple command

GreatResearcher:
prayer jpg

1/ Why are you praying?
2/ What are you praying about?
3/ What prayers have you prayed that you are feeling crushed about that they arent answered?

ThothHermes:
Muttleylaff do you know any of these quiet "men of God" personally since you seem to have something against everyone who has attained fame.

Jesus was very popular no?

Did Jesus make failed prophecies? Did Jesus market or advertise his healing and miracle working ministry? Did Jesus stage healing and/or miracles? Was Jesus entangled in scandals or wrongdoings like flouting building regulations? Need I say more. Need I go on ThothHermes, huh?

I have nothing against anyone that has attained fame, but will speak up against empty and false vessels making loud noises

GreatResearcher:
talking jpeg

Dont you sometimes talk to yourself? I often do quite a lot

GreatResearcher:
But when Jesus went to pray he saw Abraham, Moses and the likes at the right side of God in heaven.. Here you are saying nobody's in heaven

Did you notice anything about your nose all of a sudden after typing this your comment?

GreatResearcher:
heaven, hell and nowhere jpeg

You are just continually showing yourself up. Did you not read the memo. Didnt you know that nobody is in heaven or hell yet, huh? Face palm and SMH at you.

shadeyinka:
I wish you were more specific of the reasons why you feel that ALL are fake men of God. I had chosen these based on some common similarities among them
1. They all give personal and specific word of knowledge
2. They all perform Deliverances

Really, they do?
shadeyinka and petra1, be careful who you associate and identify with because even the finest sword plunged into salt water will eventually rust

shadeyinka:
I know that TB Joshua and Suleiman Johnson include healings

Do you also know, agree and accept that they both declare failed prophecies, huh?
Case in point, are you familiar with TB Joshua's the kidnapped Chibok schoolgirls release failed prophecy? Are you familiar with the way Suleiman Johnson "prophesied" the death of El -Rufai, or that he "saw" PDP will retain power in Ekiti state for another four years and maybe, his just two months ago recent "prophesy" about the health of Paul Biya, the Cameroonian President, huh?

shadeyinka:
I know that some Christians feel that the days of miracles are over
I also know that some Christians feel that the days of Prophecies are over

I'll keep on saying until my throat gets sore about, if only more christians properly read their bibles, there'd be less christians and would have, more believers getting understanding of scriptures

shadeyinka:
Now,
1. which class do you belong to

I belong to the famous 2 Timothy 2:15 & Acts 17:11 class nwanne and strongly recommended, must you too, if you know whats is good for you and your best interests.

shadeyinka:
2. Is there a real man of God you respect that gives BOTH specific word of knowledge to people as Prophets AND does both mass and personal Deliverances?

Here is a fable, to help get things in perspective shadeyinka and Petra1

A lord of ancient China once asked his physician, a member of a family of healers, which of them was the most skilled in the art. The well-known healer replied: "I puncture veins, prescribe potions, and massage skin, so from time to time my name gets out and is heard among the lords. My elder brother cures sickness when it is still extremely minute, so his name gets around only in his own neighborhood. My eldest brother sees the spirit of sickness and removes it before it takes shape, so his name does not get out of the house."

Ranchhoddas and/or ThothHermes has asked me, this question before too, and same answer I gave then, still is, yes they are and they are few and far in between shadeyinka that to me, are real men of God, but they never seek the limelight, publicity or public attention. They dont strut about like overprized peacocks. They are smooth and silent operators, and so, they are not well known at all, for their names to get be known by you, if you know what I mean, their names just doesnt get out of the house.

shadeyinka:
Shalom

Shalom to you too nwanne
Only that when a lamb and a pig falls into the same dirty, oozing muddy ditch,
The pig rolls about, wallowing in and enjoying the mud, but the lamb is not at peace or shalom in the mud, so cries and gets out
The pig loves to get dirty, enjoys and loves mud, so the pig is happy to stay rolling perpetually shalom in the mud ditch

GreatResearcher:
LUKE 14 :26

GreatResearcher:
For God something love the world but wants the world to hate its own.

If you dont understand Luke 14:26 and metaphors, then my dear nwanne friend, you sure have a great deal to learn and a lot of understanding to get

GreatResearcher:
Who is stupid among these two men (Joe and Jose)?

Joe: Swallows whatever that is been thrown into his mouth without minding if it will harm him.
Jose: refused to swallow what is been thrown into his mouth.. Then required to know if what is been thrown into his mouth is edible or not.
Cc Muttleylaff

Joe is stupid for not doing a Berean test. God expectantly welcomes testing or checking everything and so, doesnt mind it

shadeyinka:
Like I said: this thread isn't to validate any man of God or ministry. However, we must be careful of how we label people because we don't agree with them. We are humans and subject to errors. God doesn't look at the externals, He looks at the internal.

How many of these Nigerian Pastors do you also think are fake men of God?
1. Prophet Chris Okafor
2. Prophet Jeremiah Fufunyin
3. Prophet Joshua Iginla
4. Apostle Suleiman Johnson
5. Prophet T.B. Joshua
Why?

You can check out their profiles on internet and watch some of their videos online. Is this a valid basis of validating any one of them?

SMH, what a shockingly bad in quality list and it correctly is Jeremiah Omoto Fufeyin, the ex-MFM prayer warrior now a self styled prophet and not incorrectly Jeremiah Fufunyin. All of them are fake men of God shadeyinka, in fact they are spiritual colleagues working for the same master

petra1:
Maybe you kindly enlighten us. You've not really given a bible fact except name calling. On what ground is your accusation based.

"If the prophet speaks in the LORD’s name but his prediction does not happen or come true, you will know that the LORD did not give that message. That prophet has spoken without my authority and need not be feared."
- Deuteronomy 18:22

Petra1, are you trying to say that inspite of evidences, TB Joshua is not a shaman huh, that he is not someone masquerading as a servant of righteousness and especially that he is not a false prophet, huh? Are you asking to be enlightened of how TB is counterfeiting the things of God, huh?
You must be living under a rock if you dont know how TB Joshua deletes and edits his prophecy videos. Who does that, if not a false prophet, huh? The Bible is full of warnings about false prophets and false messiahs. Do you want me to list you, a few of TB Joshua's failed prophecies, erh? Are you familiar with TB Joshua's the kidnapped Chibok schoolgirls release prophecy?

Petra1 and shadeyinka, has TB Joshua ever declared a false and/or failed prophecy, huh? Well categorizing TB Joshua in the biblical context of a false prophet is based on these his more than one time failed prophecies

GreatResearcher:
Ok muttleylaff. Stop defending him

I am not making any defense GreatResearcher for anyone. I am merely stating the obvious, the truth and incontrovertible facts

IAmSabrina:
Lol. Indeed

A friend once told how he once spanked his girl with big bumbum the other day and she told him plainly to respect his old self and just foxtrot uniform charlie kilo comot finish..... Saying this nobi porn film shooting... He said eye won push him that day, because she said it with a mean, frank and no nonsense face.... He said since that moment on, he no come dey do anything extra, hin just put dey put preeq and knack comon go.... He said, could you believe that it is was a very light pat on bumbum spank ooo, and that it was just him trying to form Don Juan erotic master.... Nobi by force pennis dey rise, nahin so hin finish and preeq soon just drop and hin roll over, kukuma go sleep and rest

kkins25:
is there another meaning other than the "my father my father..."

MuttleyLaff:
The thing is "Eli Eli lama sabachthani" is Aramaic
Watch this, most people' last words are very profound, and Jesus' is no exception to this.
Jesus as a dying man, hung on a cross, uttered seven famous dying last words

1) Luke 23:34 - Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they do.
2) Luke 23:43 - Truly, I say to you, today you will be with me in paradise.
3) John 19:26-27 - Woman, behold your son. Son Behold your mother.
4) Matthew 27:46 & Mark 15:34 - My God, My God, (this bit I've blanked out, to reveal more on it, later)
5) John 19:28 - I thirst.
6) John 19:30 - It is finished (or "It is accomplished'')
7) Luke 23:46 - Father, into your hands I commit my spirit.

The first of the last four words, (i.e. famous words #4)
were said, for the benefit of the disciples, which is why it was spoken in Aramaic (e.g. "Eli, Eli, lama, sabachthani'')
It wasnt spoken in an unknown tongue, it for crying out loud, was spoken in Aramaic.

Jesus, for the benefit of the disciples, uttered in Aramaic the purpose of His mission/assignment
(i.e. the reason all those things were happening, the reason why He was created or the reason why He came to exist)
He then, after declaring that the purpose (i.e. the process for salvation) is finished or accomplished,
excused Himself with the "Father, into your hands I commit my spirit" last word

Jesus chose His word very carefully and didnt speak impetuously when He used "Eli, Eli, lama, sabachthani"
Jesus, actually was paraphrasing, the beginning of Psalm 22 (i.e. Psalm 22:1),
just like He paraphrased the end of Psalm 22 (i.e Psalm 22:31)

MuttleyLaff:
The bible says Jesus came to die.
Not to have a woman, not to have a thing for men.

God gave Jesus to die for our sins, period.

Jesus, confirmed this, at the ninth hour, on the cross at Golgotha, the skull-shaped hill in Jerusalem, when He said "Eli Eli Lama Sabachthani"

"Eli Eli Lama Sabachthani" when correctly translated, means:
"My God, My God, this is why You kept me"
or "My God, My God, this is My destiny" (i.e. I was born to do this)
or "My God, My God, this is what You permitted"
or "My God, My God, this is what You allowed"

No, but its my God, my God, and more importantly that "lama sabachthani" that's, incorrectly interpreted kkins

GreatResearcher:
Why can't God defend himself? The chumps always defend him..

Its the other way round, its God that always defend "chumps"

Funaki:
how am I disappointing God? What we know of him was what we were told by other men. Men in different culture have their own version of what God should be. Even among people of the same religion, we have many sects with different doctrines.

You are disapponting God when you are, with your attitudes, doing less well than expected, especially in areas of discovering healing etcetera and squandering the potential He gave you

petra1:
That's the antichrist during tribulation After the rapture . Not applicable

It's only Christ that can determine that. That doesn't make the minister false . It only means he has sin in his life . And If a minister has sin in his life that make him miss God the end . It's between him and God .That can happen to any Christian or minister .

1 Corinthians 9:27
But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.

If your problem with him is just because the church bears the name "synagogue" . Thats not good enough. It's just a name for registration. It could have bore the name Tb Joshua ministries. But you must understand there are several Pentecostal ministries in the world with synagogue as part of their name.

The quotes are just play of words around the name "synagogue " it's not good enough. It just mean gathering ,assembly , congregation or church



Christ worshiped in synagogue and Christian's worshiped in synagogue . It's very obvious you're not just comfortable either the name Synagogue but it just mean "assembly "

James 2:2
For if there come unto your assembly a man with a gold ring, in goodly apparel, and there come in also a poor man in vile raiment;

I would have you know that the word "assembly " in the verse above is "synagogue " in the Greek. False ministers are only to be identified by what they profess ( doctrine ) not church signposts .

2 John 1:7-10
For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist. Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward.
Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:

God says not to judge . If you must judge. It must be to judge a doctrine not a man . So far you have not brought up any doctrine of TB Joshua contrary to scripture except "signboard ". As long as he is not against Christ . He belongs to Christ

Luke 9:49-50
And John answered and said, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name; and we forbad him, because he followeth not with us. And Jesus said unto him, Forbid him not: for he that is not against us is for us.

"¹⁴And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light.
¹⁵It is not surprising, then, if his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness.
Their end will correspond to their actions."
- 2 Corinthians 11:14-15

The synagogue, Church Of All Nations (i.e. SCOAN). Hmmm, how convenient to choose such naming and masquerading as a servant of righteousness. TB is a shaman, a false prophet and masquerading as a servant of righteousness, but you still and with shadeyinka are the last to know about it and the "synagogue of Satan"

Petra1 we are to make judgments not just about doctrine alone but people as well. Why cant you like in Luke 12:57, even judge for yourself what is right about and/or concerning TB being a shaman, a false prophet and masquerading as a servant of righteousness?

Funaki:
God is a human idea

Why are you disappointing God with this kind of attitude