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chatinent:
Your problem started when you don't know that Lord is a title.

Pfttt. Smh sigh.
Who else besides God do you know that knows what is in people's heart, eh?

chatinent:
If Jesus was God, who was he always praying to?

To God. Does soliloquy have any meaning you understand the word to be, hmm?

chatinent:
If Jesus was God, in John 3:16, who sent who?

There clearly were too entities.

You surely are a learner

chatinent:
Jesus also said his father is greater than he is.

chatinent you seriously really didnt try quoting John 14:28's “My Father is greater than I am” thinking you are making a valid point, hmm?

Watch this chatinent. If you chatinent, miraculously have the power and ability to remain being chatinent and at the same point, in time, you "exerchomai" (i.e. you projected, protruded, externalised) yourself out, to become still remaining being your self, but in the external form of a son (i.e. Lil' chatinent) who is co-existing with you. Now tell me. In spite of the phrase: "like father, like son", who in your understanding and in regards of conventional wisdom between chatinent, the father and yourself coexisting in the form of your son Lil' chatinent, is greater, lmso?

You see to fulfil all forms of righteousness, sons are submissive to fathers. They give in to the authority and will of fathers. Sons are influenced by their fathers, hence why fathers are greater, lmso. In this case, though chatinent, the father and Lil' chatinent, the son, are the one and same person, you, chatinent, as the father is greater than you, Lil' chatinent, as the son. Capisce now?

donnie, fyi, as long as the person came to Him in faith, our Lord never corrected how anyone called Him or spelled Him name

donnie:
Look at them in their fellowship of delusion.
Uyi168,
You're looking at the wrong folks my friend. Those guys are not the real YAHUDEEN they are are EDOM (Idumaeans), descendants of ESAU. These Edomites were the Religious leaders during the time of MESSIAH. And yes, they were Europeans, just like Herod who was Edomite but was called King of the Jews.

Whats "yes, they were Europeans, just like Herod who was Edomite but was called King of the Jews"? Herod was a stooge, he and his family were exiled Israelites returnees and was not European.

donnie:
They were not blood descendants of YAKUBI (Jacob) but we're the seed of ESAU.

Of course you're the seed of Esau, lmso

donnie:
This is real history which many because of their attachment to white Jesus ignore.

You mean, just like you are attached to a white man's donnie name, hmm?

donnie:
MESSIAH and the children of Israel are Bantus/negroes. The bible is an African story. The ancient kingdoms of Assyria, Babylon, Syria, Egypt were all black Africans.

We have all been played and if you're a sincere seeker you will see it. There is clear scriptural and historical proof that we've been taught lies.

Just stay away from playing with scissors

donnie:
What your white friends in the so-called land of Israel are good at is lies and deception and they have brought this world to where it is today. They control Hollywood, the educational, financial and political systems of the world. They created this Covid19 Plandemic. MESSIAH called them the Synagogue of Satan (Revelation 2:9,3:9). They are not the people of the book but impostors.

It is common knowledge that the Ashkenazi Jews are impostors and your covetous self aren't any less an impostor than they are

donnie:
Now you have a choice to research these things I've said yourself. Feel free to ask questions, I will answer if you do so politely. Also you can dismiss them, as most Christians would and continue with the white man worship.

Shabbat Shalom.

Had you ever in your life worshipped the white man?

donnie:
*And by the way their so-called Hebrew is fake (Yiddish). Like MuttleyLaff saying Hamashiach not knowing he is speaking Yiddish. The real Hebrew (Bantu) is HaMashiah from where you get Messiah. No useless Ch sound. Real Ancient Hebrew is in the Bantu languages.*

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divinemichael:
Romans 9- 15
I WILL HAVE MERCY ON WHOM I WILL HAVE AND I WILL HARDEN MY HEART FOR WHOM I WILL HARDEN!

This Bible verse has indeed caused much schism and has gradually become a burning question in the Christendom.
However we must guard our tongues and hearts from suggestive or opinIon based conclusions drawn from human reasoning and logic.

A literal analysis of the said bible verse smacks of a possible distinction, preference and ultimately, bias, on the side of God.. this is the position always taken by so many atheist debaters and some misled believers.

Diving into the scriptures we all know that COLLOSIANS 3-11 is to the effect that there is no discrimination in Christ, no Jews no gentiles no free borns no slaves no savages no barbarian, as well I can add, no white and no black.. for we are all one and Christ binds us together in love.

I was speaking to a group of persons, they said if Mr X and Mr Y is involved in a car crash and the former survives while the latter dies, that simply exemplifies the book of Romans 9 because grace differs.

Note: while their argument seems intelligible to the human mind, it as well connotes inherent biblical ignorance with a little touch of the wrong Calvinist doctrine of predestination.

For they ignored all related information both obvious and hidden, but instead judged based on the bare facts available to their human cognition.

they may have not known whether the one who survived is a core believer who prays and commits his ways to God,they may not also know even if maybe both are sinners, that mthe former perhaps is still been called by God and still has more time while the latter who lost his life has already dissipated his time with rebellion and unbelief, they may not know whether the one who lost his life is not prayerful and has been cut off by his enemies, they may not know if the one who dead is a saint and has been taken by God.

In their arguments They attributed their claim to the now widespread fallacy of unequal grace, as well they cherrypicked the instances to fit into their assumptions.

But, the truth must be told, grace does not differ, it all depends on how much and how far we have tapped into the grace given to us by God, that's why it seems as though men like TB Joshua and oyedepo are extra-ordinary, it doesn't imply God loves them more than you, thus, he has showered them with more grace than you.. no,that's a human doctrine from the pit of hell.

God's grace is sufficient for all, it all depends on how far and much we tap and key into it.. men like oyedepo, kumuyi and tb Joshua has keyed in and has remained consistent and sacrificial.. you can do better..

The concept of grace has so been distorted by Africans that God almost appear biased or partial when the concept of grace is invoked.. eg some one will say, I know two men, they went for a job, one got it one lost it.. it therefore implies that God has given more grace to the one who got the job..

No, such an assumption is wrong and totally misleading, the grace of God is originally predicated upon Jesus Christ coming into the world to salvage everyone who believes and professes his lordship, there is no partiality with God, it all depends on many factors..

Are you seeking what God wants you to seek?


God may want mr A to seek a driving job and Mr B to seek a teaching job, but when Mr B seeks a driving job and gets rejected, it doesn't mean God's grace upon his life is smaller compared to that of Mr A.

The book of Romans 8-1 says there is therefore no condemnation for all those who are in Christ Jesus..

God will show mercy to those who seeks his face, those who worship him, those whom he is not finished with, those who do not rebel for long from his words, those who key in into his plans for them and lastly those who have embraced Christ..etc

And he will harden his heart upon the wicked ones, the corrupt minds, those who lust after the desires of earth, those who profane his holy name, those who do not turn from their evil after several warnings..etc

Please quote and paste Romans 9:15 here for us to read. Thank you in advance for obliging

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"¹⁰For just as rain and snow fall from heaven
and do not return without watering the earth, making it bud and sprout,
and providing seed to sow and food to eat,
¹¹so My word that proceeds from My mouth will not return to Me empty,
but it will accomplish what I please, and it will prosper where I send it.
(i.e. It will not come back to me without results.
It will accomplish whatever I want and achieve whatever I send it to do)"
- Isaiah 55:11

Silence is golden. Stillness and quiet have great value(s)
God may be silent but He is not absent. Quiet is not weak and loud is not strong

God, because of the testimony of Isaiah 55:11 above, is not a Talkative. Do you know that the word "silent" contains the same letters to form the word "listen"? Well the quieter you become in the silence, the more and clearer you get from listening, to hear God, lmso
cc: chinenye497

Uyi168:
No doubt, the jews know better..
They lived and dine with yeshua, they never accepted him as the messiah..

How, Africans especially Nigerians, take put the matter for head, claiming to even know more than jews that saw it all, will continue to astonish me...

That guy above going by a whiteman name donnie, donnie as in Donald Trump, comes to mind. As far as he is concerned in his deluded and covetous mind, Yahshua Ha Mashiach aka Jesus Christ is a black face black skin person

diridiri:
This was a controversial example I used, but it works in my favor anyway. The only scripture that actually directly supports it is in 1 John 5:7, and most people theorize that this scripture was added after the epistle was written, but my initial comment was chiding the person for bringing to light a nonsensical opinion that the Jehovah witness person expressed while also holding nonsensical opinions.

C'mon, of course you know it is a translator insertion and latter addition nah, lmso

diridiri:
As another example, I could've also pointed out that true omnipotence is impossible. I could also talk about how most Christians believe the word of God is infallible and unchangeable, but the fact that human beings likely EDITED this said "word of God" shows that that's untrue. Hell, there might have been so many changes in the bible that we don't know of, so what even is the point of claiming that his word is unchangeable?

The point is there is something called the Spirit of Truth., who guides into all things and teaches

Besides, a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in the Spirit and in truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks, not Christians.

diridiri:
Read the last few sentences of what he wrote. He is a Christian, unless some other religion unbeknownst to me speaks in that manner.

"²⁸Then Agrippa said to Paul,
“You almost persuade me to become a Christian.”
²⁹And Paul said,
“I would to God that not only you, but also all who hear me today,
might become both almost and altogether such as I am, except for these chains.”"
- Acts 26:28-29

You are sounding just like king Agrippa, when he blurted out to Apostle Paul about him almost trying to make or convert king Agrippa to become a Christian, but noticed how Apostle Paul never acknowledged being a Christian and even didnt used the epithet either, but rather his retort, was I hope you become what I am.

Christianity is a Constantine/Roman invention and as for the word "Christian", we can thank the city of Antioch for inventing this contemptuous word, lmso.

diridiri:
A living book? Do you mean that the book is literally alive, or something else? I'm not sure.

If you are alive, lmso, you will be drawn to the Bible, you will find the Bible engaging, you will learn from the varied life experiences documented in it et cetera

diridiri:
How can god be sect atheist? He's god, how can he believe that he doesn't exist?

"There you will worship wooden and stone gods made by human hands.
These gods can't see, hear, eat, or smell."
- Deuteronomy 4:28

"³But our God is in heaven;
He does whatever He pleases.
⁴Their idols (i.e. gods) are silver and gold,
The work of men’s hands.
⁵They have mouths, but they do not speak;
Eyes they have, but they do not see;
⁶They have ears, but they do not hear;
Noses they have, but they do not smell;
⁷They have hands, but they do not handle;
Feet they have, but they do not walk;
Nor do they mutter through their throat.
⁸Those who make them are like them;
So is everyone who trusts in them."
- Psalm 115:3-8

God is God, not god(s) and doesnt reckon with sects.

diridiri:
God isn't even Christian? I don't understand this, either.

There is nothing to understand except for the factual

diridiri:
What do you define "being Christian" as?

I cant ever, get tired of typing, that, there'd be less christians, if only more christians, properly & correctly read their bibles.

Image123:
The same fuss i have with liars, thieves, idolaters and killers.

Just as you aren't a liar, you aren't a thief, aren't an idolater (i.e. temple prostitute, in line with the original word used in the original Hebrew and Greek text, lmso), you aren't a killer, so aren't harmless, committed, loyal, trustful in monogamous romantic relationship(s) same sex attraction couples or homosexuals, so I dont see what particularly is all your excitement over harmless, committed, loyal, trustful in monogamous romantic relationship(s) same sex attraction couples or homosexual is about.

Image123:
It is my heart desire to see all men in the kingdom of Heaven so there cannot be weeping on my part for seeing anyone there. However, i know the truth in God's Word that sinners have no place in heaven.

There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth on your part if you dont repent because you'll be shocked at seeing them inside the kingdom of Heaven, but you barred from entry for your bias towards them.

Image123:
A homo, a liar, a thief, a fornicator are all sinners.

I know quite a bunch of people though are homos, they individually aren't "a liar, a thief, a fornicator" sic as you originally put it, lmso

Image123:
The vile act is being a homo Adam and Steve instead of Adam and Eve.

Adam and Steve or even Madam and Eve are all four created by God, so what exactly is the vile act alleged in being Adam and Steve or even Madam and Eve, hmm?

Image123:
God made them male and female, never male and male for marriage.

I am speechless that you aren't aware that mankind was created and is created for companionship.

Of course God made them male and female. He made Adam and Eve, He made Adam and Steve and its Him too, also who even made Madam and Eve. Marriage wasn't even specifically mentioned in first second, third Genesis. As a matter of fact, even relationship, where you find it or deemed fit, precedes procreation. God made human beings for companionship brother, lmso. This is why love and relationship is eternal, but marriage isn't, lmso.

Image123:
The person i was talking to knows himself but since you decided to be his "voltron" ...

What have you now gained from calling poster(s) names? Does calling poster(s) names make you sleep better at night ni, hmm?

Image123:
... perhaps you should do your research properly. You should have continued your modelling from animals with cannibalism, nudity, shamelessness and other animalistic behaviour not just the ones you mentioned. Do humans fly like birds or burrow like animals. Do they do the actions with the same purpose? Don't even bother to answer the obvious fallacy lane you mapped. Let's try sticking to the point.

I sure wish you take your own "prescribing to others" medicine. I sure wish you biblically, anatomically and physiologically have done your research properly.

Enjoy your "cannibalism, nudity, shamelessness and other animalistic behaviour" rabbit hole. I hope you brought along a ladder to use for climbing out of it. I am not keen jumping into it with you, so its YOYO, lmso

Image123:
Homos are sinners, QED.

You are no less a sinner than homos. We thank God, that, its not you, who is God. QED

Lush100:
By max I don't mean a human may not surpass 120 years(because God will always give some exception grace by way of a specific promise)

I know you dont mean "a human may not surpass 120 years (because God will always give some exception grace by way of a specific promise)" sic

Lush100:
... but by and around 120 human are going to die.
Genesis 6:3

1/ Who particularly is "by and around 120 human are going to die" and Genesis 6:3 referring to?
2/ What is the significance of that 120 years mentioned in Genesis 6:3? Why 120 years, lmso?

Image123:
By the emboldened, you mean ("then I have no qualms with considering such kind of prostitutes being OK". In other words, you consider it okay to be a prostitute.

If you had properly read and clearly thought of what you read in my post(s), you would know that I have seen in so many words, where I've typed that not having a covering all cases blanket OK to be a prostitute.

Image123:
You believe because Rehab is in the geneology of Jesus, then it is okay to be a prostitute. It is laughable because the genealogy of Jesus was never given as a standard.

You cant hide from the fact and truth that God is OK with Tamar, Rahab and prophet Hosea's wife, but He wasn't and isnt OK with cult prostitutes, sacred qadesh (i.e. male cult temple prostitutes/servants) and qedesha (i.e. female cult temple prostitutes/servants). He isn't OK with prostitution practices, used to desecrate the worship and reverence of Him with their distasteful fertility ritual and impurity idolatry sex worship, with sperm consumption being an act of worship et cetera.

Image123:
There are all kinds of criminals, killers and wicked men in that genealogy too. That is besides the fact that it was never Rehab's prostitution that 'qualified' her but despite it.

You are learning fast, lmso. So you are beginning to get it that something else qualifies the marginalised, that you see as undesirables, abi, when there isn't any unpleasant about them, lmso

Image123:
You said that homosexuals do a lot of 'good' things like " love, relationship, friendship, deep affection, caring, doting, devotion, kindness, fondness, warmth, commitment, companionship, loyalty, faithfulness, thoughtfulness" etc. To which i responded that prostitutes also make clean money from the proceeds of the jobs and big supermarkets/boutiques they run. And then you've been on about how God is OK with prostitutes.

Prostitution, adultery and fornication my friend are, people sleeping around with different people that they are not married to. They are sins in the eyes of God and people who do them are going to hell except they repent. But then you thankfully say you are not in favour of "people sleeping around with different people" in either heterosexual or homosexual relationships.

From the onset, my standpoint has always been commitment, faithfulness, honesty, fidelity, loyalty, trust, monogamy et cetera

Prostitutes, in early biblical times speaking, were a problem and nuisance to God, in terms of them being associated with orgastic temple rites, temple prostitutions, infidelity, sexual sacrifices with the belief that having sex with qadesh (i.e. in Biblical times, qadesh are men whose quality of life has degenerated to the point of being attached to certain temples, as temple male prostitutes engaging in sexual activity thats paid for) brings about divine favour, blessings and/or a new and higher level of spirituality, sexual fertility rites et cetera.

Image123:
Back to the matter, an homo couple is no different from a faithful fornicator, they are both sinners. There are many fornicators not married but faithful to one another.

If you are holier than thou and without sin, please cast the first stone, lmso.

Stay on course please and quit all these your straw man mining. You are now jumping off prostitutes to fornicators, lmso. No problem, but whats' your " ... many fornicators not married but faithful to one another" connect with monogamous homosexual couple about?

snoopz:
person wey go die go die jaare

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Abi ooo. Na hin.
Whether you reverse ageing or not reverse ageing, everyone go answer when the Grim Reaper las, las, a comes knocking on the door.

Lush100:
Everything had expiry date.
Till today, no one has been able to invent blood despite knowing the makeup of it.
The Bible says the life of an animal is in it's blood (hope I got the verse verbatim).

Of course, for the life of every creature is its blood: its blood is its life and the spirit is the life of the soul/body, at this side of eternity.

Lush100:
Beside it may be a little reversing (in the real sense it's called delaying) but u cannot stop death sir,
Men lived more than 150 year some few millennials ago but was reduced to Max of 120.
So we never even scratch the surface.
It's good though especially if they can reverse aging tissues and or organs.

Brother, where did you get "but was reduced to Max of 120." from? Also who really and particularly, did you think was reduced to max of 120?

diridiri:
Yes he didn't, but the bible clearly states and supports the existence of the trinity ...

So, if you want submit that the bible clearly states and supports the existence of the trinity, please provide where exactly is it that the bible clearly states and supports the existence of the trinity

God is infinity and not trinity. Wait a sec, we live in a three dimensional world set up and/or geometric setting and to determine the position of God. Two-dimensional is too simple, as it lacks depth, lmso, hence a good starting point will be three-dimensional, hence your "trinity" but God, whose descriptor name is Yahweh, aka I AM that I AM, is infinite-dimension in the real sense. Trinity is a means to an end and not the end itself at all, lmso

diridiri:
... so he must believe in it if he is Christian.

Have you entertained the thought that he possibly isn't a Christian

diridiri:
What I am pointing out is that every idiotic rubbish found in the bible is just as stupid as the next, and thus feuds and disagreements between different sects of Christianity are pointless since they are all equally stupid.

The bible is a living book. What is rubbish to some actually is treasure to others, lmso

It would interest you to know that God is sect-atheist, lmso. God even isn't Christian, lmso

DappaD:
As long as I've explained my stand to you no wahala carry go

I never required nor need you explaining your stand to me.

As I earlier said, for as long as I am on this side of eternity, I will markedly close put out a straight stick alongside every other crooked stick(s) you dare lay on the ground. and that simply is my work well done because truth will be unabashed and error will stand shamed and embarrassed.

diridiri:
The funny thing is that this makes as little sense as the Trinity.
Cognitive dissonance is a powerful thing indeed.

The funnier thing is, OP, (i.e. bingbagbo) never mentioned trinity in the original post

DappaD:
Mr MuttleyLaff make no mistake—you and I aren't having a debate.

I dont require nor need to have a debate with you Mr DappaD. What I do is lay a straight stick along side whatever crooked stick you stretch on the floor

DappaD:
All I'm saying is that your God which you profess is totally different from the God JWs worship. (Micah 4:5)
So we're not on the same page here—if that's what you thought initially.

"Though all the peoples each walk in the name of their gods,
we will walk in the name of Yahweh our God forever and ever"
- Micah 4:5

You are right that Yahweh is different to this other name Jehovah, who JWs worship because the word "Jehovah" you and your clique in JW are using all time, is an invented and bogus word, lmso and that it makes the whole Jehovah's Witnesses doctrine, theology et cetera, being built upon a wack, shaky, suspect, shallow and faulty foundation of fraud, WAYO, cunning and make-believe, also considering that there is no letter J, in Hebraic alphabet, and powerfully so indicating then, that Jehovah cannot at all, in any real sense of it, possibly be an authentic descriptor and/or expression for God

chatinent:
That's a nice conversation.

I have a question for you. Is Jesus God?

Preciousgirl:
Jesus is God Himself

chatinent:
Any biblical evidence?

"But Jesus, knowing their thoughts, said,
“Why do you think evil in your hearts?"
- Matthew 9:4

"²⁴But Jesus did not trust himself to them, because He knew them all.
²⁵There was no need for anyone to tell Him about them, because He himself knew what was in their hearts."
- John 2:24-25

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"And they prayed, "Lord (i.e. Yahweh aka Jehovah), You know everyone's heart.
Show us which of these two You have chosen"
- Acts 1:24

"And God, who knows the heart, showed His approval by giving the Holy Spirit to them, just as He did to us".
- Acts 15:8

By comparing Matthew 9:4 with John 2:24-25 and Acts 1:24 with Acts 15:8, it is apparent that it is only God who knows people's heart

Blabbermouth:
Hahahahahahaha hahahahahahaha
"GOD DIED" - MuttleyLaff
"God" and "Died" are two different something that should never be used together.
In fact, it ought to be an official English blunder.

"No one can take My life from me. I sacrifice it voluntarily.
For I have the authority to lay it down when I want to and also to take it up again.
For this is what My Father has commanded.”"
- John 10:18

You have no idea. Bwahahahahaha. Who mumu you like this. Were you born this mumu, or you freewill chose to become mumu, lmso

DappaD:
You're fully aware that I'm one of Jehovah's Witnesses

It doesnt matter to me if you're one of Jehovah's Witnesses or as Image123 would put it, one of Jehovah Wickedness

DappaD:
.... and that there's no way on earth I'm ever going to agree with you—so why bother in first place?

I havent solicited that you agree anything with me. I shed light into a darkened room, the will is yours to decide and choose if or not you want to enter the room and see what the illuminated up room reveals and/or displays

DappaD:
Your fellow brethren in Christ are right here on this thread so you can go ahead to continue arguing and debating over your gods I don't mind.

The LORD (i.e. Yahweh) is our God, the LORD (i.e. Yahweh) is one!

Also, the Second commandment explicitly states, not to create God, in the image of any human imagination whatsoever, nor to according to an atypical of God, even not to be based on any formulation, theory, perverted idea or classic misrepresentation of God whatsoever. This means that with "fellow brethren in Christ" they have nothing to do with gods

DappaD:
My interest is only in the OP.

OP, (i.e. bingbagbo) didnt even in the original post, mention trinity, which incidentally is your pet obsession, so what exactly is the interest you have in OP

DappaD:
We've been through this countless times.

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We've been through this countless times, and the countless times out of countless times that we've been through this, you still aren't any wiser. Smh sigh.

DappaD:
I don't have time for baseless ideologies.

There is nothing baseless, delusional, unrealistic, impractical, impossible in God projecting Himself as Son (i.e. "exerchomai" projected, protruded, externalised Himself) Of course, for you, its inconceivable and beyond your bounds of possibilities to project yourself out, as a son, coexisting as you, but for God, its a piece of cake with a walk in the park to Him, lmso.

God is infinite in creativity. God is infinite in love. God is infinite in compassion. God is infinite in mercy. God is infinite in beauty. God is infinite in wisdom. God is infinite in form and/or visible shape, lmso

DappaD:
Wow. So you had a conversation with one of Jehovah's Witnesses and he was able to explain from the Bible how Jesus is both High Priest and the Lamb? (John 1:29, Hebrews 6:20)
How then, did you come about Jesus being God again? Were you able to explain from the Scriptures as he did? Or you expected him to agree with whatever you said even if it's not inline with the Bible?

I know the path you're towing now.
As High Priest, Jesus offered up himself as that perfect Lamb sacrifice to God!
As in just as Aaron appeared before Jehovah's presence in the Most Holy compartment on the Day of Atonement(Leviticus 16:1-34) is the same way Jesus, as High Priest, appeared before Jehovah's presence in the literal heavens, this time not with the blood of bulls and goats which can never make us perfect, but with his own blood to make once and for all atonement(covering) for our sins.[Hebrews 9:11-14, 26]
So Jesus didn't appear before himself if that's what you're insinuating.
Hebrews 9:24 makes it clear that Jesus appeared before another Entity altogether, Jehovah God himself.

It may also shock you that Jesus[the Son of God] also serves in other greater capacities as King[Luke 1:31-33, Revelation 11:15], Mediator of the new covenant[Hebrews 9:15], Judge[John 5:22, Acts 17:31], Head of the Christian congregation[Ephesians 1:22, Colossians 1:18], God's Chief Executioner[Revelation 19:11-15] etc

Jesus Christ and Paul made it clear that all of these authorities were given to Jesus by God AFTER he completed his earthly conquest[Matthew 28:18, John 16:33, Philippians 2:9-11]

Nevertheless even after all these authorities and kingly rule has been handed over to him, he remains ever humble and never tries to assume equality with his God and Father, Jehovah[Matthew 11:29, Philippians 2:6]
So that means he knows that he can never be at the same level with Jehovah who is the King of Eternity[Psalm 93:2, Jeremiah 10:10, Revelation 15:3] which he expressed clearly at John 14:28:
“My Father[Jehovah] is GREATER than I am”.

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"Shey ọrọ leleyi ni?"
loosely translated means "what is this one saying?"

DappaD you seriously really didnt quote John 14:28's “My Father[Jehovah] is GREATER than I am”. thinking you are making a valid point or do you?

Watch this DappaD. If you DappaD, miraculously have the power and ability to remain being DappaD and at the some point in time, you "exerchomai" (i.e. you projected, protruded, externalised) yourself out, to become your self, but in the form of a son (i.e. Lil' DappaD) who is co-existing with you. Now tell me. In spite of the phrase: "like father, like son", who in your understanding of conventional wisdom between DappaD, the father and yourself coexisting in the form of your son Lil' DappaD, is greater, lmso?

Sons are submissive to fathers. They give in to the authority and will of fathers. Sons are influenced by their fathers, hence why fathers are greater, lmso. In this case, though DappaD, the father and Lil' DappaD, the son, are the one and same person, you, DappaD, as the father is greater than you Lil' DappaD, as the son. Capisce now?

DappaD:
This alone cancels out all trinitarian views that try to make Jesus equal to God.
When in fact his loyal apostles knew that Jesus couldn't be God and addressed him properly as “the Son of the living God[Jehovah]” and “God's Servant”! [Matthew 16:16, John 20:31, Acts 3:13 compare with Isaiah 42:1]

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You dont understand that the reason why the Bible contains no explicit trinitarian doctrine is because the Godhead, in reality and/or actuality, is infinity, lmso

By the way, Yahshua Ha Mashiach aka Jesus Christ, is God incarnate (i.e. the Son of the living God[Jehovah]), serving Yahweh (i.e. God's Servant!). Oftentimes, if you want a thing done well, what do you do? You do it yourself, lmso. Life, from the very beginning, has always being a DIY project, lmso and hence why God led by the example of, doing it, Himself, lmso.

Gandollaar:
I wanted to edit my comment before I saw yours, I think he is Helinues, that's the way he sounds originally before trollers brought out venom from him, that's the Nigeria of his dreams. E don happen e don happen make them livam for God type of guy

I noticed you helinues just now reading this thread

Preciousgirl:
I tell you brother

I really and truly for the first time saw that, and especially saw it in that way. Hmm, we learn every day and it is well.

MaxInDHouse:
Ask him to quote the Bible because
Jesus served as the Highpriest! Hebrew 7:1-2
Jesus served as the Lamb that was slaughtered! Revelations 5:9
So the OP is just blabbing!

Preciousgirl:
Stephen Prayed To Jesus Christ, Who Else Do We Pray To But God!

Acts 7:59
And they stoned Stephen as he was calling on God and saying, “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.”

"He was oppressed and He was afflicted, Yet He opened not His mouth;
He was led as a lamb to the slaughter,
And as a sheep before its shearers is silent, So He opened not His mouth."
- Isaiah 53:7

God died for you. Died in your place, so that you wont have to die and/or ultimately be destroyed

Preciousgirl:
Stephen Prayed To Jesus Christ, Who Else Do We Pray To But God!

Acts 7:59
And they stoned Stephen as he was calling on God and saying, “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.”

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"Yeepa. Ogbonọ fẹli, fẹli"
loosely translated means "Wow! This one's hot"

Blabbermouth:

Cc: MuttleyLaff

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Why the cc me and mentioning?
Where you hear say I be part of any whatever "all Trinity devotees", hmm?

Kobojunkiee:
Or it simply means that, unlike you, I don't pretend to speak on behalf of God in these things. I simply echo what He has made known to us of these things.

"It is the glory of God to conceal a matter; to search out a matter is the glory of kings.
(i.e. God is praised for being mysterious; rulers are praised for explaining mysteries.
It is the glory of God to conceal a matter and the glory of kings to investigate a matter.)"
- Proverbs 25:2

"Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth
(i.e. Make every effort to present yourself approved to God, an unashamed workman who accurately handles the word of truth)"
- 2 Timothy 2:15

"But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name,
He will teach you all things and will bring to your remembrance all things that I have said to you."
- John 14:26

"But when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth;
for He will not speak on His own initiative, but whatever He hears, He will speak;
and He will disclose to you what is to come"
- John 16:13

It doesnt bother me what cop out you go for. As it happens, its nothing to do with unlike me, but is a matter of, the brain, isn't an ornament to decorate the body with, and so, we are blessed with this powerfully built processing functional gift for a purpose, for a reason(s) and for such a time(s) as this/these, so you have my blessing to feel free to underuse your brain and squander your potential(s), lmso. OK?

Kobojunkiee:
... Or I could simply use a definition that is already agreed upon

Agreed upon is not and would not be admissible when yo, on that day, appear before the throne of judgment, lmso. It is "what do you say ..." and not what's already agreed upon, lmso

Blabbermouth:
In other words, you don't know if God can have different will.

Kobojunkie, define WIll please.

Kobojunkiee:
I know it is possible for Him because He says so. But that is all I can say on that since I am not God and have never been.

What an escapist cop out

Kobojunkiee:
will
/wil/
noun
1. the faculty by which a person decides on and initiates action.
"she has an iron will"

-------------- a. control deliberately exerted to do something or to restrain one's own impulses.
"a stupendous effort of will"
-------------- b. a deliberate or fixed desire or intention.
"Jane had not wanted them to stay against their will"
--------------c. the thing that one desires or ordains.
"the disaster was God's will"

Make your cheese from the four bottles of milk you obtained from the Oxford Lexico dictionary nah. Give your own definition of your knowledge and understanding of what will is, lmso

Kobojunkiee:
Who can speak of the person of God? No one!

Who can read people's thoughts? Who knows what is going in people's mind and/or thoughts?

Kobojunkiee:
But to the "Human kind of person"? Yes, the same person can have different wills.... My mind and my body tend to have different wills on any given day - part of why I feel this body of mine is a prison of sorts. Don't even get me started on the mental aspect of such torture.

The Godhead is no prison, lmso. Now you get to understand the reason and necessity for harmony in the Godhead (i.e. Elohim, lmso)

In the Godhead is a strong sense of oneness, lmso, congruity, camaraderie, tranquility, peacefulness, like-mindedness,

Kobojunkiee:
Well, Jesus Christ did suggest that even the Spirit of God has a Will of His own.

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So? Whats the point you're trying to make and/or say with this?
What and/or who is Yahshua Ha Mashiach aka Jesus Christ before incarnation?
I am sure you know what soliloquy(ies) is/are, yeah?

chatinent:
That's a nice conversation.
I have a question for you. Is Jesus God?

Of course, Yahshua Ha Mashiach aka Jesus Christ is God. Even the meaning of "Yahshua Ha Mashiach" reveals and tells quite a lot.

chatinent, is it hard, beyond, impossible or difficult for God to be Jesus ni?

bingbagbo:
So I was in a tete a tete with this Jehovah witness guy.

Let me state that , JWs teach that Our Lord Jesus Christ is an angel. They claim Jesus is angel Michael. To them, Jesus is not God as the Bible teaches (John 1:1) but rather a god.

So in the course of our interactions, he stated:

Jesus Christ is Now a High Priest in Heaven, just like in the past, Humans (Priests) mediated between man and God so is Jesus doing now in heaven. I loved his explanation because what he stated was very much correct.

Then I asked him: " You say Jesus is a high priest, just like the priests of old, but I know that , the priests of old offered animal sacrifices to God; so in Jesus' case, which animal is He offering to God in Heaven?"

(He couldnt discern where I was leading him to )

Then he quickly replied: "the animal sacrifice Jesus offers in heaven to God now is He Jesus Himself."

Then I burst out laughing

I laughed because he was right yet again.

Then I asked him: "So Jesus is both the High Priest and the Lamb (sacrifice) as well ?"

Then he replied: "Yes!"

Then I told him: "You are so right. This same Jesus is the High Priest, and the lamb and that same God who received the sacrifice."

He took offence.

According to him, that would not make sense. So I asked him if a high priest doubling as the sacrifice made sense to him

That ended out chat

Jesus Christ is the High Priest, the Lamb and God.

The message of the cross is foolishness onto those who are perishing, but onto us who are being saved it is the power of God

Glory

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"Pakute ọdẹ"
loosely translated means "mousetrapped"