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MhizAngel99:
@jesusjnr Well, in the absence of nothing, which as i've realized is something you and MuttleyLaff are mentally capable of , consider this:

If God is good in nature and its message is true, and the message of god is important for us, then it holds to reason that a good god would want human beings to know that message. God in its omnipotence can immediately impart the correct knowledge directly into our consciousness. I am sure it also has the know-how to do it in a non-harmful way given that it designed our brains down to the functioning of millions of neuronal connections and neurotransmitters, etc.

Put another way: It must be true that we all already know the most-important things that God wants us to know. Whatever various religions, prophets, seekers, mystics and holy spokespeople say is not exactly what God wants us to know. There is no reason for a good god, which wants the truth to be known, to convey important messages to individual human beings, in specific human languages, and allow us to spread the message using our own imperfect communication methods. As soon as people start translating it, explaining it to each other and writing it down then the message becomes reliant upon cultural understanding. It will dilute, get misunderstood, and it is sure that different communities will come to interpret the message differently, leading to schism and confusion, and as history has shown, to violence and bloodshed. Therefore, God's important messages are universal, imparted directly into all of our hearts and minds, and are therefore not made subject to human communications errors. If goodness comes from god, then given their historical mistakes, their culture-specific language, moral shortcomings and the social strife that results from their existence, holy books cannot possibly be from God.

The whole idea of cultivating the True Religion via the orally-transmitted stories of itinerant and illiterate preachers such as Jesus and Mohammad, in (often obscure) human languages, is nonsensical. If God wants someone to know the facts about a particular religion, then it would automatically make that person know. What God wants, it can do, because God is all-powerful. If God is also perfectly good, then if it is right for someone to know something then God will let them know it. If it is right to know something, then, a good God is compelled to let people know it directly. Evangelism therefore is pointless. It is senseless for religious adherents to go around telling people about their religious views if they believe in an all-powerful or perfectly good God. An all- powerful good god will want (and can!) give anyone any knowledge it is good for them to have. It is not the job of religious adherents to run around trying to pretend to know what God wants people to know!

The reasons for evangelism are probably more selfish than theological; to do with (1) personal ego, (2) public image and (3) Earthly influence. They think that if they evangelize they will (4) get themselves into heaven and (5) increase their own sense of self-worth (deluded psychology). But it is obvious that evangelists are going against God's will, if God has a will. If God wanted someone to know something, and it was right for them to know it, God would tell that person directly. There is no point in doing it any other way. The only reason people need to tell each other things about religion is if it is things that God doesn't think it is best for them to know. This absurd state of affairs means that evangelists are least godly, trusting least in the abilities of God to tell people what they need to know!

The fact that God appears not to have given us, as a species, any information about transcendent reality is a big hint that God does not mind what our beliefs are. Based on the evidence, it appears that the correct way, god's way, to discover the truth is to look at the evidence, judge things for ourselves, and to use our brains. In other words, science and skeptical philosophizing appear to be the precise way in which God wants us to learn. We know this from the lack of important-truths which are conveyed to us directly by God.

http://www.vexen.co.uk/religion/god_communication.html
This is an exception to me saying my last post on the thread was uploaded, believe me no more fiam, no matter what, again from me, on this thread. I have screenshot grabbed your post, so dont think about going back, to edit it, by now adding the credit, to absolve you of been guilty of this plagiarism act.

The purpose of me commenting again on this thread, is because my hand was forced to bring to the attention of anyone that's thought, you MhizAngel99 aka LordRedd knows what you are talking about. You have no idea, not even a jack diddly-shit do you have

As everyone, can see from the above pasted weblink, the content you posted and pasted here without crediting who originally painstakingly wrote it, is someone else's intellectual property but you not only shamelessly copied and pasted here, word for word exactly and without any changes, you also made a right dog's dinner mess of left aligning the text into a long page, requiring scrolling down, that never ends to read and/or makes sense of understanding it, be impossible.

I've reproduced your dog's dinner mess up there for all to see, look and learn. See how it is properly & neatly done.
Yeah I know, you'll blame it on the phone lagging

Dont you know, instead of this blatant plagiarism, how to go around dairy farms, milk different cows and then make your own cheese out of them yourself?

I over gave bad energy last year, no, not anymore. This is 2019, it means, a brand new 365 new days & 365 new chances, to do the right thing.
cc FAO: jesusjnr, Michellekabod, luvmijeje, budaatum

budaatum:
Ok, muttley. If you say so. I'm in a hot bath at the moment, worshipping the bubbles and practising religion. Maybe I should pray to them too and relate with them and have faith, belief, divinity, worship, creed, teaching, doctrine, theology et al with them too, while I'm at it!

Look at the top of your Nairaland browser mr not drunk, and tell me its not an hour past midnight, please!

Not unless you're in Orolu, or where's that kingdom of yours, it wasnt midnight yet where I was
A bit boring having hot bath at the moment, worshipping the bubbles and practising religion alone just by yourself, isnt it
Oh I see, it's inanticipation for the groove, wink wink. Extended fireworks tonight

MhizAngel99:
I see u no longer have anything to contribute to the topic nd u want to start a verbal fight.
Btw Lol @ ur cringey jokes.

I dont neccesarily run from a fight and I can give as much as I take
and there is you just up there editing your post with more addition yet you have the demerity to accuse another person of what you enjoy doing

The below is what you original posted before the now updated version Mr/Mrs "going back to edit ur comments to sound smart like the uncreative bush rat you are"

"@Muttley Laff An uncaused God is more complicated than an uncaused Big Bang. When it comes to comparing arguments where there is no hope of actually getting any physical evidence, there is a long-standing heuristic to help distinguish between theories, called Occam's Razor: it turns out that when all evidence is accounted for, the theory with fewest assumptions is more likely to be true. God requires many properties and complexities such as consciousness, thought, personality, creative drive, love, an internal logic ordering its thoughts so that it can think coherently and rationally, memory, etc: All of these properties must have been derived from somewhere. It turns out that God is a vastly more complicated thing than the Big Bang and the fundamental laws of the Universe"

Happy 2019 to you by the way. This is my last post on this thread. My sword is sheathed

budaatum:
How can you possibly describe buda as a religious person, muttley? Are you saying buda is so holy some god must be directing her, or are you working with a definition that differs to the following:

religion

noun
the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods.
"ideas about the relationship between science and religion"
synonyms: faith, belief, divinity, worship, creed, teaching, doctrine, theology; More
a particular system of faith and worship.
plural noun: religions
"the world's great religions"
a pursuit or interest followed with great devotion.
"consumerism is the new religion"

Or did you just not bring your brain into 2019? Because last time I checked, the MuttleyLaff I know was more intelligent than this!

Not yet 2019 when you posted your comment. Are you drunk?

PS Football is a religion, ice hockey is a religion, fashion for some is a religion and atheism too funnily enough too is a religion. The word religion, just like the word mouse, has over the passage of time changed from what it originally meant from what your dictionary says it is

MhizAngel99:
Do urself a favor and jump into that trash as well. Fancy going back to edit ur comments to sound smart like the uncreative bush rat you are

E pain am.
I can but you first, so I can slam the lid shut on you.
Olodo rapata upon twenty. He's about crying.

PS:You've reverted back to typing @Muttley Laff instead of @MuttleyLaff abi. I know, its phone lag things. Kikikiki ki.

budaatum:
Special about freeing one's mind from religious deception? You try it and see for yourself, johnydon22. And if you come back and say there's nothing special, I, buda, swear to adopt whatever unatheistic views held before trying with no reservation whatsoever! That's how much regard I have been for you!

And I mean I will post my fb page on here so you can check I've truly and completely adopted whatever it is that you believed before trying atheism. And I will start a thread proclaiming my abandon and adoption of your before trying belief, faith or religion, and will forever sell it on here.

Go on, dare me! Atheist from you for one single minute is enough.

What you are oblivious of, is, in your atheism, which in itself, is a religion but stranger too, is that you actually are practising pure and true religion that is faultless and one that God approves of whilst be an atheist.
It's amazing, isnt it. There is no escape from God, even in the belly of atheism, God is right there acknowleging you with a wink thrown in your direction, at you.

MhizAngel99:
@MuttleyLaff The reason i wasnt mentioning u was because my phone lags when i reply to extremely lengthy posts. Don't think 4 one second that id be trying to avoid a bloated simpleton like u. All mouth and nothing but hot dense air in ur skull. I love debating clueless zombies like you who run away from sense

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What a load of rubbish
Put radioactive waste trash where it belongs
Pull the other leg, @Muttey Laff & @MuttleyLaff
Some lie like a cheap Persian rug sha.
Aah! Phone lags indeed.

MhizAngel99:
1. If God is the creator of time, then he exists outside time. He cannot be subject to it. God showing emotion goes against the fact that he is the creator of time. A creator God is indeed robotic and emotionless just as you described. He never changes. Literally. If you fail to understand this, I don't see how I can help you here but let you drown in ur ignorance

2. My point here is that if God is subject to logic, then he can't have created it. Hence, he's not the first cause

3. And yet again you completely dodge the point here. If God is the beginning and the end, then he cannot also have free will. His thoughts and actions are already planned. There's nothing like free will with him.

4. You can't just define evil as the absence of good. If evil can exist in a world of a creator god? What does it tell you about said God?

5. Lol. Please go and Google the definition of God online. You're using analogies that are completely off the rails. Can Money be omniscient? If so, you can call it a God. Allah, Zeus. Those are Gods. Stop grasping at straws.

6. You've basically admitted here that your God is malevolent. Why does God actively hide himself from mankind? Why risk war when have the power to let everyone know the truth? An omni benevolent God cannot play tricks. And you're citing examples from the Bible. A book that was written, then re-written, then re-written yet again, with tons of books lost along the way and thousands of contradictions in the scripture. Yeah sure. I believe you now.

7. You've still not explained where natural disasters come from. Who created tsunamis? Was it God? Or not?

8. Let me give you a scenario. If you saw a girl drowning, and for some reason, you are helpless, would you pray for A. God to magically sustain her organs so that she doesn't die or B. Pray that someone comes along to help her? You'll most likely pray 4 B because even U don't believe in the power of prayer

Your desperation at twisting the subject matter and avoiding the key arguments is really hilarious lol. LordReed gave me the impression you were a massive troll so am not surprised.

MhizAngel99, listen, in the SW, people usually say: "Amo ara wa, ti a ba rira wa"
loosely translated means "we recognise each other when we bump into each other"

Do you think I dont really know you? I clocked you several hundred miles away
You are out of your depth men. Give it a rest. Are you a sadochist?
You are subjecting me to these torturous nothing worth knowing about itemised points twisting and misrepresenting what I originally wrote.
Where did I write "God is the beginning and the end"? Hmm?
Dont you understand the difference between "God knows the end from the beginning" and your perverted "God is the beginning and the end" version?

You do this a lot, its part of your M.O.

I am not interested in this mollycoddle labour of love "cutting up into small pieces" feed with a spoon nanny work with you.
Again another one, listen to yourself here saying:"You've still not explained where natural disasters come from"

Look, if you dont by now, know how and/or where natural disasters came from, sorry I am not going to be lifting up floorboards for you to see underneath. If you're really eager to know, then do yourself a favour, do search with the "muttleylaff adversity" string and for more, another with the "muttleylaff merism" string on NL search, you will learn & get the idea of how, from results of both string searches.

You're like a broken record, repeating the same thing and going round in circles

"Their end is destruction, their god is their belly, and their glory is in their shame. Their minds are set on earthly things."
- Philippians 3:19

Do you really think there is darkness. If you know what darkness is, you wouldnt be contesting with me that evil is the absence of good

MhizAngel99:
A god is any being that omniscient, omnipotent, omnibenevolent etc. Anything without these properties doesnt qualify as a god. Not only did u dodge the question here, u went on to babble about nothing really

Your write up gives you away as someone who doesn't fully understands what god and God is. I wonder how you will fare, if given the opportunity to describe and/or explain in details with as much examples you can muster, what god and God is.

Never mind, I'll lift up the hood for you. "God" MhizAngel99, as in, first letter capitalization the word, is different to "god".

So what that means MhizAngel99, is that God and "god" don't mean the same thing. God is not the same nor one or any of your run off the mill god(s). There are similarities, "god" has with God of course but the distinctions are very apparent.

For example, god has power but God is Omnipotent, god exists but God is Self-existent, god is present and/or has presence but God is Omnipresence, god offers and/or gives something with respect to its nature, for some to love but God is Omnibenevolent, god has authority, influence etcetera but God has Authority, Influence etcetera, God has intelligence knowledge and wisdom but god lacks intelligence knowledge and wisdom. I think you're getting the drift, so I'll stop at that much examples

Humans from time immemorial have always deify things and make a god of them,
"Wacky and die chop bellefu" gluttons making god of their stomach or belly
Drunks or alcoholics make god of beer, spirits, rum, alcohol etcetera
Chrematistics have made money their god
What of the pagan or heathen thats made god of inanimate or not alive object, lying around at his/her shrine?

What of throngs that call out for their posts to make front page?
The owner is deified, mortal posters call on to the powerful god of Nairaland and/or try to invoke his moderator angels when they regularly pray to the heaven of Nairaland for favours?

MhizAngel99:
Till date, no testifiable evidence has been found 4 the existence of god. If god was truly omnibenevolent, he would reveal himself such that atheists like myself wouldn't exist and there'd be no conflict of religion

Interesting, so the veracity of God's Omnibenevolence is being questioned because God hasnt personally given you testifiable evidence of the existence of a supernatural being who is God?

Unfortunately, things dont work that way and it doesnt because of something called faith. Remember, I wrote He hasnt hidden all evidence of His existence, He was here on earth 2000 years. He physically walked as a human being, on this earth 2000 years ago.

You think you know stuff, please indulge me. What is religion? What exhaustively to your best understanding and knowledge is pure and true religion that is faultless?

MhizAngel99:
God is infinitely good. Natural disasters shouldn't exist in a world that was created by an omnibenevolent god. He created ALL things. The blame falls heavily on him

You're playing the blame card whilst holding and flashing a "buyer's remorse'' symptom card.

God is not to blame for anything at all at all because at the beginning, we were free to choose but not free from the consequence of choice

Our lives, is the sum total of all our choices, since then, up to this present minute

MhizAngel99:
Bullshit.
God is omniscient and eternal. All his actions are predetermined, and according to u, he isnt subject to time, that makes him eternal. There is no amount of prayer dat can change god's mind. Unless, it is according to his plan, u wont get any answer. Prayer is ultimately useless

Yep that's my speciality, dishing out tough bullshit

Do you know why it seems predetermined, just as I earlier said, God knows the end from the beginning. God knows what you'll be doing in 5 minutes time, but God permits you to follow through whatever action you've decided in your heart to do or not do. You have carte blanche complete freedom to act as you wish without God overruling you. God is such that He gives you total freedom to be yourself.

I know you think you're MJ bad. You want to be a badass, right? You want to be rotten, you want to be a jerk or bitch, you want to be an atheist, well, guess what, God will allow you, if that is your choice. It's you, its your choice becoming an atheist, you decided based on wrong conclusion and bad judgement that God doesnt exist and chose to become atheist. You werent predetermined to be an atheist by God. He knew what you'll become but He still allowed you to exist, permitted that you be created, knowing fully well what a complete arsehole you'll turn out to be, not just only towards God but to some of your certain fellow human beings too that I wouldnt mention the names.

Do you see how bigger, larger and greater than life and you, God is? I bet, if the shoe was on the other foot, and you were God, you wouldnt have never permitted that yourself exist, knowing fully well ahead, what you'll be up to, you wouldnt but God isnt vile and vindictive as you are.
God still let your punk arse be on earth, and here you are pooh poohing up and down and strutting around with an inflated & overdeveloped ego

"The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous person availeth much" means if a person is in right standing with God plus is doing the right thing at the right time and then on top of that, is in tuned with God via the Holy Spirit, such will avail much, based on knowing God's will over any matter and so give prayers in line with it. It isnt to be mistaken for give me, give me or fruit gaming slot machine and trying to win money with it by pressing buttons

MhizAngel99:
They say its better to let people think you're stupid rather than open your mouth and prove it.
@MuttleyLaff you're nothing but a joke.
Typical christian dunce

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MhizAngel99 E pain am
It's not too late to turn the light on

PS: If nothing else learned, at least you learned to properly write the MuttleyLaff moniker properly instead of resorting to your infamous moniker sneaky distortion & devious separating into halves butchering.

At this rate you're going, you'll end up deactivating MhizAngel9, if you keep at it. Mark my words.

MhizAngel99:
@Muttey Laff

Your continued sneaky distortion and devious separating of my moniker this way, denies me receiving notifications of your post

MhizAngel99:
If God is not subject to time, that makes him eternal and immutable, meaning he can't change his mind and has no emotions. He maintains one state of mind 4 eternity. Yahweh lacks this property as he is sometimes shown to display emotions.

God has many hats He wears. He takes on the personality that goes with the hat He has on at whatever time is in question.
God doesnt change like humans do change. There is nothing wrong or abnormal with God showing emotion. Are you subscribing a robotic personality for God? To what end or purpose do you want God to be unemotional MhizAngel99? Hmm, you are up to no good with such a line of thinking like that

MhizAngel99:
Logic can not precede a first cause. Its either God created it or he didn't. If he did, then what thought process was he operating wit if logic never existed. If we say that God defies logic, then you've admitted that there is no logical basis for your belief in god

Why dont you go back to re-read what I wrote.

What I, in effect wrote was, it is not true that God is subject to logic all the time. It isnt because God chooses when to or chooses when not to be subjected to logic, this doesnt make God any lesser or greater.

MhizAngel99:
This doesnt answer the question. Any omniscient being has infinite knowledge about the present, past and future. How can a being who knows everything about the future have free will? His choices are already predetermined!

It did and to some degree, more than answered the question.

Who else, other than Him, predetermined those choices MhizAngel99 ask you?
Do you at all understand the implication and/or meaning of I AM, I AM?
Do you at all know and appreciate that God knows the end from the beginning?
Do you at all recognise that God is a Programmer?
It's down to you not having knowledge of God, sheer basics and elementary as these, that's why you ask all these inexperienced questions you throw out and about.

MhizAngel99:
4. ''Evil is the absence of good''
Are you saying God didn't create evil? If so then that means he is not the first cause of everything

SMH, I knew this table you shook was, going to be a mollycoddle labour of love "cutting up into small pieces" feed with a spoon nanny work.
What do you think darkness is MhizAngel99? Need I go on? Need I say more?

MhizAngel99:
Part 2 of the rebuttal will soon be here. You just wait

MhizAngel99 please, you're out of your depth, just quit already whilst there is still an exit-door, for, you are digging yourself further in the dug hole you tripped in

Please dont be a glutton for punishment, think self preservation and reel yourself in.
Run! Run along, run away whilst you still have strong legs to carry you

MhizAngel99:
@Muttey Laff
It may have been torturous reading 4 u because u lack the mental capacity to read and understand the questions.
Dyslexia is no joke. I know i wasn't typing in Latin.

Feel free to take offence

SMH bwahahaha ha
I like that your sneaky distortion and devious separation of my moniker. I wonder why you want to do that for, why?

As it happens, it has nothing to do with lacking the mental capacity to read and understand the questions nor "Dyslexia" and whether or not you typed in Latin.

MhizAngel99 I wont lie to you, it was torturous because the questions were all patently absurd and scandalous.

1. ...how your god can create time and still be subject to it via change of heart and change of mood.
Answer>>
God instituted time. He isnt subject to time

2. ...how your god can create logic and still be subject to it via requiring a thought process to make decisions
Answer>>
It is not true that this happens all the time as God chooses to or chooses not to be subjected to logic, sticking to your line of thought

3. How your god can be omniscient and still have free will
Answer>>
God is I AM I AM. He can do whatever He wills and is not answerable to anyone except Himself

4. How your god can be omnibenevolent and omnipotent and yet evil exists.
Answer>>>
Evil is the absence of good

5. How your god is distinguishable from the thousands of gods of thousands of religions out there
Answer>>>
Money is a god, food is a god, the belly or stomach is a god, inanimate objects are gods, animals are god

6. How an omnibenevolent god can purposely cause conflict and war by actively hiding all evidence of his existence?
Answer>>>
He hasnt hidden all evidence of His existence, He was here on earth 2000 years. He physically walked as a human being, on this earth 2000 years ago.

7. How earthquakes, diseases, and physical illnesses exist in a world created by an omnibenevolent god
Answer>>>
Not a blame for Him to carry. Buyer's remorse

8. How praying to an omniscient god is useful in any way
Answer>>>
The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous person availeth much.

9. How god will judge those who died without hearing the gospel and accepting jesus as saviour. Even if they led good lives.
Answer>>>
God is Just. There is free legal aid to take advantange of you know. For any that want to avail of it, there is an Advocate that will free of charge contest on your behalf, fight your corner and life for you.

Bonus question. What evidence is there to suggest that ur god is male?
Answer>>> You ought to get the facts right first and know that God is Spirit.

God is He, as much as, mother earth is she.
The pronoun, He, isnt used for God because God has a penïs copulatory organ. It is rude thinking of God in any ways like that
God is not an exclusion of female and the bible never suggested God is male. You know as well as me, that scripture exists alluding femininity to God.

MhizAngel99 you see why I said the questions were weak and low-grade, they seriously shouldnt have seen the light of the day. You wouldnt have asked these questions but you did because of your deficit knowledge.

I half-heartedly answered the questions and didnt really do justice at all to any

budaatum:
90s born vaxx? That sure explains quite a lot about you! I'm going to need you to forgive me, though for 90s born, you are impressive! In fact, I don't believe you are 90s born, that's how impressed I am!

Debunked is my way of putting it. Evolved, would be a better way to put it.

Nah, I think its a typo, fat finger or something
but then yeah, if it wasnt, I concur with you without demur so you're absolutely right then, quite impressive

MhizAngel99:
LMAO. I mean never mind that you completely ignored the stats i showed you, you literally have no evidence outside the bible that proves ur god's existence. I'm done with you. You're clearly a slowpoke who lacks the intelligence to properly scrutinize what he knows.

You are free to invite me back for an actual discussion using logic when you can xplain...
1. ...how your god can create time and still be subject to it via change of heart and change of mood.
2. ...how your god can create logic and still be subject to it via requiring a thought process to make decisions
3. How your god can be omniscient and still have free will
4. How your god can be omnibenevolent and omnipotent and yet evil exists.
5. How your god is distinguishable from the thousands of gods of thousands of religions out there
6. How an omnibenevolent god can purposely cause conflict and war by actively hiding all evidence of his existence?
7. How earthquakes, diseases, and physical illnesses exist in a world created by an omnibenevolent god
8. How praying to an omniscient god is useful in any way
9. How god will judge those who died without hearing the gospel and accepting jesus as saviour. Even if they led good lives.
Bonus question. What evidence is there to suggest that ur god is male?
Unless you are willing to answer these questions, don't bother quoting me, cos i won't even reply to ur dumb ass.

MhizAngel99, c'mon, what's the meaning of these "are you taking the piss" questions.

With the greatest respect it was unforgivably cringeworthy and torturous reading. The bonus question was a real finale classic took the biscuit question. Who asks questions like these and especially like that bonus question one.

I am sorry, it's nothing personal, its just that those questions+the bonus, they are, what they are. Low-grade DOAs. My profoundest apologies in advance if I have stepped on your toes with my observation and comment

Goshen360:
I personally would like to consider Sowore if our system would allow us in the diaspora to vote and our vote will actually count. We just should stop recycling all these old politicians....my opinion though.

Btw, great article in the OP

I am an evangelist professing the gospel of and according to Sowore at the slightest window of opportunity.

You want to see outside, 9 out of 10 people I come in to contact with I bring up the conversation about the political scene home and somehow drive it towards mentioning if any are aware of Sowore.

I met this OAP Matron 70 years old plus, after retiring from the Army back home, she bought a maisonette here to live in.
During our conversation upon a work visit to her, I slipped in, that has she ever heard about Sowore, her reply was in the negative. I told her, I actually wrote it down for on a piece of paper, I said here is his name, plonk it into Youtube, you'll see a lot of videos about him, ranging from visiting more tham 35 states doing Town Hall Meetings, answering questions from the public, doing TV channels and social media interviews.

Luckily and as God will have it, Mama Matron is internet surfing/computer savvy, she already has a personal tablet she surfs the internet internet on. I told her, as I normally tell others, watch all those YouTube videos on Sowore and pass on the good news, let it trickle down and all over to your whole network of influence. Let your friends know, your dependants know, your cat, dog even mouse too, your family and ... I mean let everyone sha know about him and AAC.

Watching Sowore's videos, just fires you up and also too renders you emotional, thinking that how did a promising potential great nation end up the way we've found ourselves. Its like going on a rollercoaster.

We are getting close to nail biting and crunching time. At the moment, you know we're in the middle of a train track, walking along on, inside this pitch black train tunnel, with a beacon of light showing and gleamering ahead at the end of the tunnel but then at the back of your mind, you know that the light symbolises Sowore as a glimmer of hope and that if not, then the light symbolises the headlamp of a high speed bullet train and means disaster, gloom and doom is looming ahead. May God help us.

God, not my will, but, please, Thy will be done

ItzBIM:
APPRECIATION:
As we count down to ring in the New year in a few hours I deeply want to say THANK YOU! For buying into this vision to #TakeBack Nigeria, for carrying it to the highways and hedges, funding it, defending it and making it a reality to change Nigeria with innovation and ideas as has never been seen before even on the continent of Africa.

On behalf of everyone at the SoworeRufai2019 Campaign Organisation, Thank you!

Take It Back! All the way!!

If you're reading my comment and you have a PVC, you need to recognise that for you, your neighbour and your entire household, Sowore is who is to be thumb printed, on 16th February 2019 general election for president

https://www.nairaland.com/4931212/sin-heart-gospel-deji-yesufu#74327193

Michellekabod:
Do you people know what you worship at all? Many of you envagelise and convert muslims and atheists into falsehood making them twice as deserving to go to hell as yourself (if hell exists).

Here is what a preacher has to say about your trinity:

What horrible confusion, vain glory and litigation that has been produced by the philosophers who seem Christians, placing God under the microscope in their intellectual laboratories and sectioning Him into three beings; even altering the Scriptures to support their damnable heresies! What arrogance! What presumption!

These are doctrines of demons designed to confuse and mislead seekers of truth. They exist to test pilgrims who travel to the heavenly city of God. Paul told the Corinthians:

"For there must be heresies among you also, that they which are approved [of God] may appear among you" (1 Corinthians 11:19 MKJV).

The Scriptures also say:

"Hear, O Israel, the Lord is our God, the Lord UNO is." (Deuteronomy 6: 4 NKJV)

" A one Lord, one faith, one baptism." (Ephesians 4: 5 NKJV)

"And without contradiction, great is the mystery of piety: God was manifested in the flesh; justified in the Spirit; seen from the angels; preached to the Gentiles; believed in the world; received up in glory. "(1 Timothy 3:16 NIV)

"Jesus said to him: So long have I been with you, and you have not yet met me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; How, then, do you say: Show us the Father? "(John 14: 9 MKJV)

"Therefore, take heed to yourselves, and to all the flock in which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church of God, which He purchased with His own blood ." (Acts 20:28 NIV)

Who bought the Church of God - Jesus, the Holy Spirit or God?

Some apologists for the doctrine of the trinity came out with the beautiful explanation that we pray to the Father, through the Son, through the Holy Spirit. But who did Esteban pray to him when he was stoned?

"And they stoned Stephen, while he invoked God and said: Lord Jesus, receive my spirit." (Acts 7:59 RVG)

Perhaps the trauma of the experience prevented him from understanding the difficult, yes, the impossible concept of the trinity and remembering how he should relate to such a concept? (Who can conceive such a thing?)

The arguments of the Trinitarians are the product of a brainwashing, and very easily countered with the truth of the Scriptures.

Jesus said: "My sheep hear My voice." I hear the voice of God. Do I hear introductions like, "This is the Father," or "This time is the Son," or, "Yesterday you heard the Son, but today it's Me, the Holy Spirit, the one who speaks to you."? Or do I hear a chorus of three voices sometimes? No, I hear a voice, as it happened to the prophets of God. He is One, not three.

Jesus is God, and all the figurative language that Jesus and others used regarding the Person of God is understood by those to whom it is given. Isaiah says that there is only one Savior and that there is no other but Him:

Isaiah 45: 21-23 NKJV
(21) Declare and present your case; Yes, let them deliberate together: Who has announced this since antiquity and declared it since then? Is not I, the LORD? There is no God but Me, a just and saving God; there is none outside Me.
(22) Turn to Me and be saved, all the ends of the earth; because I am God, and there is no other.
(23) By Myself I have sworn, a word has gone out of My mouth in righteousness that will not be revoked: That to Me every knee will bow, and every tongue will swear allegiance .

Philippians 2: 9-11 MKJV
(9) Therefore God also exalted him to the utmost, and bestowed on him the name that is above every name,
(10) so that at the Name of Jesus all the knee of those who are in Heaven, and on earth, and under the earth,
(11) and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father .

Isaiah calls the Son "Admirable, Counselor, Mighty God , Eternal Father , Prince of Peace." God presented himself to the world in a body formed for that purpose, and we must worship Him as He is. Any other things is vanity.

I am a person. I am a father, a son, and a husband. That speaks of three positions or roles, but it does not make me three people. So it is with God, the Lord Jesus Christ. The Name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit is Lord (Father) Jesus (Son) Christ (Holy Spirit, meaning "The Anointed One".

Man was created in the likeness of God. Is man three people? If God is three, but man is one, the image that God created is false. But God is not three, and His image is perfectly accurate. Yes, I am spirit, soul and body, but I am a person, not three.

Read our section The Trinity .

For more explanations of various Scripture verses about the Oneness of God, read Jesus Christ, Almighty God and The Most Glorious of Truths .

Consider the alternative to the confusion of the doctrine of the trinity: If you believe in the One True God, and seek to honor Him, you will never have to figure out who you are dealing with, or worry about minimizing God in any way, subtracting His authority, power or glory.

No one except atheists, is doubting whether or not God is a Spirit, and/or also that He is the Word, Jesus Christ.

The fact and truth, that I know is difficult for many, to understand, is that, God, as well, is: I AM

''I AM that I AM'', ''I SHALL BE THAT I SHALL'' or ''I WILL BE THAT I BE'' are expressive phrases, meaning God will be what God needs to be.

We find out what God was yesterday, we keep knowing Him every moment and day. He is new every morning, He is new tomorrow.

Thats why, God in Exodus 3:14, said to Moses:
"I AM WHO I AM. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: 'I AM has sent me to you."

Essentially means, I will become whatsoever I may become.

God therefore, is, "not-known-number" of person
God, then, is, x-person
and God, in effect is, ∞-persons, as in, infinite or infinity.

God is someone without any bound.
God is someone bigger and larger than any specified number, even three or trinity.

If more Christians properly read the Bible, they'll be less Christians.

PS frosbel2 what's with the reserving place, space and position with that placeholder word you plonked there below me

VBCampaign:
Truth is that like many Nigerians I'm at a crossroad as to who to vote for. This morning I'm just considering Ezekwesili

I can count on my hand how many times I've heard Oby speak, give TV interviews, participating in town hall meetings, sentising herself to the electorate. Not very much when compared wth Sowore's, so I am intrigued, what has Oby said this morning, that is swaying you towards her.

Michellekabod:
Thanks, albeit i waited ages for your response

I am sorry but I didn't know you had replied by adding to what originally wrote about being sleepy.

I only did see the revised post when I scrolled up, as out of curiosity and idle time, was re-reading past comments. Anyway, as the saying goes, better late than never.

I too was wondering what's the matter, why hasn't she responded to the post. Remember I received no mention notification whatsoever. If I hadnt scrolled up through the thread, I wouldn't have bumped on the reply and know you've responded back.

VBCampaign, I am just back from reading those two articles, I was impressed and pleased to read that Omoyele Sowore personally reached out to you, soliciting for your support, it just shows the conviction, sense of seriousness, sincerity genuineness etcetera of the man.

I usually read about lists of 50 people of influence here and there or around the world, and it just brought it into perpestive that Sowore considered you to be a person with influence, reader followership and power that has similar best interest of the fatherland at heart. The earlier mentioned first two, Sowore especially recognised about you and that is why he so humbly approached you.

Nigeria cant afford to miss or squander a good, promising and golden opportunity, for another 4 years of mediocrity, analogue visions, indifferences to the plagues of the nation, leadership that isnt really taking the nation anywhere to be proud of etcetera.


Quite a lot has happened since and after your two articles, structures are up, town hall meetings visits to more than 35 states, loads of interviews to sensitise him with the electorate giving and explained in detail the party's manifesto on how SPICERHEAT will tackle and address the ills of the country, plans to make the country a construction site etcetera so why did you end your support for Sowore? What are your reasons? What, at the heart of the matter, are/were his sin(s)?

I dont what to know who you'll be thumb printing on February 16 but please God forbid your choice be between PMB or Atiku

VBCampaign:
I've written a no of articles on Swore. The last one were I ended my support for him is this one: http://mouthpiece.com.ng/apc-pdp-and-others/

You can see others by searching on the same website

Oh thank you.
I didnt know you already have. I cant wait to quickly dash over there to read it. Usually I dont normally click on .com.ng sites but I'll make this one an exception

Michellekabod:
Tomorrow i will reply this, am sleepy

I trust you had a restful and good sleep last night and night before.

Michellekabod:
The bible stated that Jesus was amazed by her faith not studying or reasoning et al. The bible cant be wrong you know.

You are not right that the bible stated that Jesus was amazed by her faith.
Jesus, on record, confessed to be amazed by faith and the lack of it, just two times.
It was the gay man's faith, Jesus said He was amazed at, He never said He was amazed at the faith of the woman with the issue of blood, He just encouraged and cheered her up.

We know from the bible, Malachi to be exact, that, it was the studying of that Malachi scripture that propelled the woman with the issue of blood to reason within herself, that if she can touch the tassels of Jesus' robe, she, the woman with the issue of blood, believe she will receive her healing. Jesus confirms all these when He raised her spirit and restored her confidence with the following reassuring and kind words: "Daughter, take courage; your faith has made you well."

Michellekabod, I am glad that you at least, admit and acknowledge that the bible cant be wrong

Michellekabod:
Faith without work is dead according to James, i know that. He didnt say faith with reasoning or studying.

"¹⁶All scripture is given by inspiration of God,
and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
¹⁷That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works."
- 2 Timothy 3:16-17

1/ If God can say: "Come now, and let us reason together" that amounts to something, doesnt it?
2/ How does one go about to reason together with God then Michellekabod?
3/ Where does one, invited to come reason with God, head to, for this?
4/ How is, faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God, actualised Michellekabod?
5/ Why were the Bereans examining the Scriptures? What did their searching the scriptures and examining it, amount to or is called?
6/ What is the total number of the different types of faith biblically existing?
You do know, I am taking of faith, as a verb and not noun, dont you Michellekabod?

Michellekabod, studying and reasoning are precursors to the work, which without them and ultimately work, faith is dead.

Ranchhoddas:
True.

This is why it is sometimes necessary to beg the mods. It's a way of making them take a be
second look at your thread since they might discard it on their own account of "read worthiness".

There however for your information is a "Mail Mods" button, that has a "Send E-mail Message to Religion Moderators" feature that can be taken advantage of, when aiming to get their attention to a post they ordinarily are not likely to see if they are not mentioned on posts.

You can grovel in camera to your heart's content with the "Mail Mods" button and then the "Send E-mail Message to Religion Moderators" feature and no third party will be aware you shamelessly begged.

Ranchhoddas:
Define "read worthy enough".

"read worthy enough" is relative.

What is "read worthy enough" for me is not "read worthy enough" for P-Square/murdered reptiles enthusiasts or vice versa

I am not fascinated by P-Square/murdered reptiles threads but for some its "read worthy enough" to them

Ranchhoddas:
This is not true. There is no meritocracy on this forum. Traffic is the major driver of FP and this thread does not look like a traffic puller.

Nairaland is style over substance. A thread showing P-Squares's living room has made FP about three times this year and is currently there. (Same pictures ooo).

How do you explain the fact that threads involving murdered reptiles always get to FP? Is it because they are "read worthy" enough?

You've just with all this, reinforced the point.

P-Squares's living room made FP about three times this year, without the poster publicly begging for front page

You knocked and hit the nail on the head. Yes, threads involving murdered reptiles always get to FP because they are "read worthy" enough

If Nairaland is style over substance, then begging wont make a difference

The god of Nairaland often puts threads on front page because they merit it and does it without instances of prior begging for a leg up.

VBCampaign:
The intent of mentioning the moderators of this forum is not to "suck up" to them. It is merely to draw their attention to a post they are not likely to see if they are not mentioned. I apologize if the practice turns you off but I have no intention of stopping it; especially where it has not been spelt out anywhere that I am breaking forum rules by doing so.

You are not breaking forum rules by doing so, it just looks totally uncool "prostrating," literally.

If my tone was strong and coming off insensitive, please accept my apologies. It wasnt meant to be taken personal.

There however for your information is a "Mail Mods" button, that has a "Send E-mail Message to Religion Moderators" feature you can take advantage of, when aiming to get their attention to a post they ordinarily are not likely to see if they are not mentioned on posts.

By the way, I am looking forward to read your analysis on African Action Congress party's candidate Omoyele Sowore bid to contest for presidency in the upcoming 2019 Febuary election.

VBCampaign:
Consider for front page this Sunday: Seun, Lalasticlala, Mynd44

Whats all this sucking up for front page?
It's a complete turn off ojaare.

Please make it the last time you stop all that nonsense and gimmick already
If the thread and posted content is read worthy enough, it will find itself on front page by its own merit and without begging for a leg up.

That said and now gotten off the chest, I'll like to drawn your attention to the below remark asserted by you:
"One clear similarity between that statement I gleaned from Facebook and the words of Paul (i.e. Romans 4:7-8.) is this:
sin would be a fundamental factor between man and God, whenever we see him – which would most certainly be at the time of our death"

Increasingly, day by day and over time you start to learn and know that what rightly shakes the table, is pure and true religion that's faultless.
Pure and true religion that is faultless, is what's used by God, to at the end of the day, separate the wheat from the chaff with.

I dont want to fall out with you but in all sincerity and honesty, anything said short, of the pure and true religion that's faultless truth, is playing to the gallery

If that lady, really lived an exemplary life worthy of emulation, then there is no unlikelihood, she didnt live as a wheat.
Need I say more?. Need I go on?.

Ranchhoddas:
... Miracles eh?

Yeah, miracles eh.
Miracles is availing of what is not the norm on earth or on Nairaland.

It stops being a miracle, when it's constantly repeated to become a sustained phenomenon or regularly occurring standard on Nairaland or earth

Ranchhoddas:
Don't believe I have. I get you.

Its the strange feeling you have, knowing something is wrong, something looks and feels odd but you cant place your finger on what it is, yet you just know that something isnt or doesnt look right but dont know why not

You have mail, long mail for that matter and now wiser about what to do. Miracles do happen.

Ranchhoddas:
"Ifura"?
Not that well apparently.

Have you never heard "ifura ni ogun agba" casually used in Yoruba colloquials?

"Ifura" means being suspicious over something, keeping a strange feeling about something or someone, or that odd feeling had, over a thing

Ranchhoddas:
Kikiki...
I understand Yoruba quite well. Not a prolific speaker though.

OK ooo then you definitely will know that "ifura ni ogun agba" loosely translated means "experience is a juju charm grown ups make avail of"

As I said, I actually suspected when I saw you with your pants down, looking puzzled and thinking to yourself "kini gbogbo palapala yi gan now?" and knew then on, that you got a ban too, on top of having your post hidden

As like almost every other thing, that has traditional remedies, "magun" has its too. I've tried reaching out to you via email about its.

Ranchhoddas:
Muttleylaff you now put magun on your posts abi?
How did you know I was banned?

I saw you with your pants down, looking puzzled and thinking to yourself "kini gbogbo palapala yi gan now?"

"kini gbogbo palapala yi gan now" loosely translated means "what the meaning is this nonsense all about now?"

Michellekabod:
Tomorrow i will reply this, am sleepy

Shhhhh! Wishing you a very good and restful night. You deserve it