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luvmijeje:
I ask you to quote where Jesus commanded you all to start building Churches, you went to the book of Ezekiel. MuttleyLaff you're a confused fool.
Get ready to be more confuse. Get ready for me to break down every single shield you are all using to lie against God.

I've told you before and I would continue keep telling you that you are more confused than a chameleon that slid into a bag of skittles

Show me anywhere on this thread or anywhere else on Nairaland,
where I have supported or advocated building Churches olodo rapata upon twenty
I laugh at your confusion

luvmijeje:
I get una time.
You think you are defending God, get ready for me to expose how you have been defending man and not God.

Common sense is like deodorant, people like you, who need it most, never use it.

Dont worry, by the time, the dust settles, you'll receive sense and have your brain reset
otherwise I'll send you back to sender, squealing, bruised up, battered and crushed, to that hellish, dark and unGodly godly hole you crawled out from

Get ready for Armageddon come early, happening to you
Nonsense and ingredients
cc Mobilia, BluntBoy

VBCampaign:
Hijab Crisis in ISI and the Loss of Missions

By: Deji Yesufu

After a knock on the door of my office, she sauntered in.
She appeared unfamiliar to me. Fatimah (not real name) introduced herself. She was one of the students that come around for Industrial Training at my place of work. What caught my attention about her was her outfit: she was wearing a dark clothing that covered her from the top of her head to the sole of her feet, leaving only her face uncovered.
I was intrigued that a University student would be dressed like this, so I quickly struck a conversation with her.

“You are new around here…”

“Yes.”

“I learnt that what you are wearing is not the traditional hijab. That the hijab is the clothing that covers the head to the shoulder”.

“No,” she explained, “what I am wearing is the real hijab. The one that covers the head to the shoulder is an adapted one to fit the culture of the times.”

“So the Christians who are querying the use of hijab at ISI (the International School Ibadan) are right after all. If they permit the use of the shoulder reaching hijab today, Muslims would return tomorrow to ask for the toe reaching one like you are wearing.”

She kept quiet. Then she said I was being ingenious with the argument and that I was using the information she had just supplied me against the Moslems’ quest to wear hijab in schools. She said that she actually went to a Christian secondary school where she was not allowed to use any hijab at all. But that the wearing of hijab is a religious injunction placed on every growing and adult woman in Islam.

In my last essay on the crisis of the use of hijab at the ISI, University of Ibadan (www.mouthpiece.com.ng/the-hijab-controversy-at-isi/),
I took a position that supported the Christians’ desire that hijab should not be used in the school. I felt that the argument for a “uniform” among students was very sound and a hijab would strike at the heart of uniform-dressing in a school. But I ended that essay by saying that the Muslims have a right to go to court and allow the laws of the land to rule on the disputed matter. I told Fatimah this and she said:

“Yes, it is in court and hopefully we would win… we always win anyway.”

The possibility of a judgement going in favour of Muslims in this matter of the use of hijab in ISI is what has prompted this essay. I would be arguing here that there is a lot more to dressing in our schools and that Christians can actually use this situation for missions, rather than a tendency to perpetuate a tradition that, in the Christians’ mind-set, is supposed to be a “Christian” manner of dressing.

The minister at the Chapel of the Resurrection, University of Ibadan (UI), the Rev. O. K. Oyelade, revealed the minds of many Christians in the University community, when in a recent admonition to church members he called on Christians to eschew violence on this disputed matter of hijab wearing at ISI. The implication of that statement is that some people were ready to use force to ensure that the hijab is never used at the ISI. That there are people who would call themselves Christians and yet accommodate such thoughts in their minds is the more reason why Christians should understand what exactly is our calling in a world of sin.

The biggest tragedy in all these is not whether or not religious people are debating over what to wear or not wear. The biggest tragedy in this matter is the loss of the spirit of missions among Christians in the University community of UI.

If, by a special work of God, ISI happens to be in fact a “Christian” school, where there is known academic excellence and where young people leave such academic environment with a greater conception of the Christian gospel: growing in genuine love to outsiders and exemplifying practical piety; if it happens that Muslims students enrol in ISI and at the close of their six year stay return to their homes confessing Jesus Christ as the Lord of their lives, while at the same time presenting to their parents WAEC results of mostly A’s; if this is what is happening in ISI, would anyone be debating over hijab? Would Muslim parents even dare send their child to that school?

The real indictment in this matter is not the Muslims who are calling to have their children wear hijab; the real indictment are Christians who have lost the true spirit of missions that birth the ISI and other mission schools in Nigeria. Where there is no abiding influence, power or fire of the Holy Ghost any other kind of evil work would be permitted to happen.

Let me say this categorically that there is nothing Christian about ISI.
It may have started as a Christian school but it has since lost that vision. It is today a secular school and a secular school should indeed permit the mode of dressing that all other religious groups, whose children are students in the school, permit. It would be pure injustice to not allow this to happen.

This matter of the wearing of hijab by Muslim girls in schools would reach up to the Supreme Court of Nigeria and there is the likelihood that the Muslims would win the case. It would then mean that hijab wearing would become permissible not only in secondary schools but also in primary schools. And it would not be because anyone wishes to Islamize Nigeria; it would be because the Nigerian Christian community had since lost its spirit of missions for a party spirit of prosperity and breakthroughs.

Can this be remedied?

I think the way forward would not be to outlaw the hijab in ISI.
In fact, I would counsel that the authorities of the University of Ibadan meet with the Muslim group that went to court over this matter and settle it amicably out of court.
Because if this matter reaches the Supreme court, the Christian communities are not likely to receive a favourable judgement.

As they seek to bring this matter out of the civil courts, the ISI leadership would need to look closely into the matter of its foundational principles. If indeed she is a Christian school, she would need to revive her Christian tenets and pursue to imbibe them in the lives of staffs and students. Wherever light shines, darkness will be dispelled.
ISI and its officials would need to have Christ back as the Lord of their school.
When Jesus rules and godliness prevails, everything ungodly would flee.

Deji Yesufu is the author of the Victor Banjo. He may be reached on newdejix@gmail.com

Source: http://mouthpiece.com.ng/hijab-crisis-in-isi-and-the-loss-of-missions/

My dear friend from old with the greatest of respect, I appreciate the effort you put in defence of our Muslim sisters
having the liberty to exercise wearing clothing that covers the head to the shoulder, worn adapted this way to fit the culture of the times
as opposed to wearing the "traditional" dark clothing that covers from the top of the head to the sole of the feet.

I think wearing clothing that covers the head to the shoulder, similar to whats in the above snapshot picture,
is the utmost middle ground that could be found and/or met between ISI (i.e. the International School Ibadan)
and the other ISI, sorry just joking Muslims' parent kids that enrol as students in ISI

The question to be asked, is, will similar or like concessions, be given to others?
Like traditional faiths/worshippers of like Sango, Ogun, Oya etcetera needing to wear their individual paraphernalia in ISI
or foreign faiths like the Sikh needing to wear turbans in ISI, will they too be accomodated?

The thing we can live and let live
we can tolerate each other, as long as, the one isnt trying to push the other too far
and/or one is not trying to take the piss, by making unreasonable demands,
like for example, hoping for a future of wearing "traditional" dark clothing that covers from the top of the head to the sole of the feet.

In the age, where everyone in a saner society, is aware of the importance of Health and Safety, surely hoping for a future
where wearing "traditional" dark clothing that covers from the top of the head to the sole of the feet in public institutions and/or by public servants becomes an enforced and/or permitted legal right shouldnt be allowed

Warripikin08:
I thought you was a theist quoting me.

Why and how did you arrive at the conclusion that I am not a theist quoting you?

I repeat that the truth is you don't know how we got here
and so I put to you, hazard a guess, how we got here.

Ishilove:
How do you sharpen you spiritual sense?
I know constant communication with God is one of them

ichuka:
FOOD!
Gen21:88The child grew and was weaned, and on the day Isaac was weaned Abraham held a great feast.
And these comes by prayer and study of the Word continually..
Same way we feed our physical body daily, our spirit-man also need FOOD.

"For even by the time you ought to be teachers,
you have need of one to teach you again what is the beginning of the principles of the oracles of God;
and you have become those having need of milk, and not of solid food."
- Hebrews 5:12

"I gave you milk to drink.
I didn't give you solid food because you weren't ready for it.
Even now you aren't ready for it"
- 1 Corinthians 3:2

Not necessarily food for all because for some, it'll be milk

luvmijeje:
So you expect me to remember an incident that happened July 9th (5 months ago).
Do you know how many people I have quoted?

Ms Big Shot, high and mighty not. Shior
If you cant be sure of the moniker, only God knows what else, really and truly you are not to be trusted to be sure of

For you not to remember the moniker, means you are sloppy
There is the difference between you and I
You dont remember the moniker, but I do, the luvmijeje

luvmijeje:
For me not to remember you, it means you are unremarkable.
You be waka pass.

Pride goes before destruction and a haughty spirit before a fall
Yes I am. Unremarkable and waka pass are my middle names
Mark them down, remember them because they are your nemesis

luvmijeje:
So that is the reason that I'm in big trouble?

You are poison is the reason why you're in big trouble
and you not recognising you've stepped out of your league is another why

The grass is cut short, to see the snakes and kill the closest snake first
You're now on the watch list for whenever you again step out of line to start accusing the brethren
You are in trouble because when you again start opening your big mouth and throwing your weight about again
you will be chased after, get caught, picked and lifted off the floor before being body slammed

luvmijeje:
Copying you 5 months doesn't nullify the fact that you couldn't provide scriptural verse to back your bullshit

You are so full of bullshit, you put the pro (i.e. professional) in the word coprophilia
Get the foxtrot uniform charlie kilo out of here olodo rapata upon twenty

I cant believe I suffered you gladly when you asked for bible verse(s) showing the disciples had training and tests

You are a joke, a clown, behaving like someone with mouth dysentry. Abeggy shift

luvmijeje:
and it doesn't nullify that you quoted me first on this thread.

"The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides
by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men
Blessed is he who, in the name of charity and good will
shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness
for he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children
And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious
Anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers
And you will know
My name is the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon thee"
- Ezekiel 25:17 according to Jules

Yes, I quoted you first, for running your mouth with lies and bullshit
You talked so much bullshit I didn't know whether to offer you a breath mint, toilet paper or to shut you the foxtrot uniform charlie kilo up

luvmijeje:
Muttlaff, you are an hypocrite.

Its MuttleyLaff and not Muttlaff you lazy as foxtrot uniform charlie kilo dipshit.

luvmijeje:
You have the gut to call me a liar after twisting and turning the Bible upside down

I will called you a liar to your face, rub it on your face and smear it on your nose

luvmijeje:
After you couldn't back your training bullshit with a scriptural verse.

Please dont blame your inadequancy and biblical deficiency on me
What stopped you from lifting up the hood and looking into the engine yourself.

luvmijeje, its because you're infoxicated, that is why you didnt see the scriptural verses
& not understand the bit that partly said, disciple means a follower or pupil of a teacher

luvmijeje:


You are totally crazy. You quoted me first. I didn't even know you before coming to this thread.

All the time you have used to post that crap, you would have use it to post a scriptural verse to back all your bullshit.

I dont have to do anything for you
What's wrong with your own hands? Are your hands limp?
Why dont you want to do the heavy lifting yourself?

luvmijeje:
I am worst than the deadliest of snake.
I am more vicious and trickish than the serpent in the garden of Eden.
You have been put on notice.

I will deal with you and send you back squealing to hell

luvmijeje:
Who do the hell do you think you are?
A sanctimonious righteous fool!!

I am your worst daymare and nightmare
Rebel calling me a sanctimonious righteous fool.

luvmijeje:
Get ready for all of you to be exposed using the scripture. I won't go out of it.
I'll use it to expose all your hyprocisy.
I will expose you as the empty barrel that you are.

Bring it on.
and if you dont have a change of heart and repent, you'll fall on your sword yourself

luvmijeje:
I'm happy that you copied muttleylaff.
And I'm happy you're now seeing not challenging something that oppose your belief is not the best tactics.

She said, she didn't even know MuttleyLaff before coming to this thread
but the immediate above is by luvmijeje(f): 6:50am On Jul 09

A guilty person needs to confess because justice will never let a barefaced liar like you luvmijeje, take punishment in silence

You tell blatant lies and concoct impudent untruths easily about other human beings,
and it doesnt matter to you whether they're dead and alive

You have no shame, you lie like a cheap throw Persia rug and make no attempt to disguise it.

Have you ever heard the saying "keep your grass cut short, to see the snakes and kill the closest snake first"

I remember Luke 10:19, talking of Jesus
giving us the authority to trample on snakes & scorpions and to overcome all the power of the enemy; that nothing will harm us

luvmijeje, you are in big trouble.
Your closest cover is blown wide opened, your goose is cooked. You're toast.
cc Mobilia, BluntBoy

budaatum:
This is about the first thing sensible thing you've said in two days!
Yes muttley, more than two people self.
There are demons in buda more like legions.

I dont doubt you
They must be overfed and fat demons sha
because you've been pretty busy lately feeding them, stuffing all sorts into their cake holes

budaatum:
There is only one single doing buda though.

One buda is all thats required for legions.
How many budas were you expecting?
You think God didnt manufacture buda well enough to withstand having a legion in him?

budaatum:
I do advise that you drop this though.
It does not show knowledge of God, in my most humble opinion.

I am sorry to say this but you have a jejune opinion

budaatum:
You are completely without shame!

You are contradictory.
You are almost like two people if not more, saying one thing but then saying another and/or doing something very different.
It is not neccesary to argue or discuss God and God's affair or business.

You dont believe in God, so why cant you leave God alone then, why cant you leave people that believe in God alone?
Ah, its the monkey on your back, the friendly albatross hung around your neck,
the burden is too much for you to ignore, shrug off or brush aside

budaatum:
You lie, muttley!
Or point to one single post where buda ridicules or shows hatred on hearing about God!

Never mind budaatum, if you believe you've never and dont ridicule God
Pesin wey shit for bodi, dey always forget, but the other pesin wey wipe hin bumbum foram and clean am up, no dey forget
If I should start to point budaatum, it would be like a multiple dilemna kid asked to point to one single sweet in a candy shop

PS: I see you have joined gang budaatum. How many days to Christmas. That cockerel needs fattening up men.

LordReed:
Chicken

[img]https://s1/images/stirringMuttleylaff.gif[/img]
What happened to the gif you tried first putting up?
You gave up on it too fast and easily. Tut tut tut tut
Next time send your pet cockerel to get a bottle Castillo
and not that poxy cheap canned beer you sent it for me

budaatum:
If you mean I cannot stop talking about God, then haleluya Jesus Christ, Amen, you are 100% correct. Why would I stop talking about God? Is it your own God alone? Who gave you monopoly on God?

You hate hearing anything upholding the existence of God, you cant stop ridiculing God anything to do with God
You have a monkey on your back, a friendly albatross hung around your neck, the burden is too much for you to ignore, shrug off or brush aside
That's why you can't stop talking about God. Your soul is restless and filled with anxiety
Oh yeah hallelujah, thank you God in Jesus Christ's name, Amen, I know I am 100% correct.

The thinking that God doesnt exist, is eating you, in the inside away,
unless you sleep, you don't and cant escape from arguing the existence of God nor stop questioning affairs of God

budaatum:
Truly I tell you, MuttleyLaff, receive this cup of water so that you too will certainly not lose your reward.

You need the water more than I do budaatum.
The need to quench the thirst for truth resides more with you than I budaatum
Hold on to the cup bud. Taste the water, sip and drink it budaatum, swallow, please.

Dont worry about me budaatum, brother and friend, because my reward is already safeguarded

budaatum:
There! For me, whether you are Catholic, or Protestant, or Muslim, or Atheist, or pagan self, an Almighty God would not give a damn.
If God did give a damn, only the Israelites would enter his tabernacle, or tent, as some call it.
And as far as I would be concerned, "keep your tabernacle God, I'd rather be an atheist.
I don't want to enter your racist tent!"
For, in my opinion, such a God is very unmighty indeed, and a puny petty racist bigot stupid non-god to boot!
If I worship such a God, I must burn in hell!
For there is no way I wouldn't think I'm exalted and justified that I am not like the tax-collector, when in truth,
I would be a humbled gnashing teeth sinner!

But look at God, or rather, Mr "I did not come to change the law" Jesus Christ.
Like somebody who can't find suitable tenants, he lets those tax collectors and pagans and prostitutes and Samaritans and even those damned Gentiles into the KoG, as long as they Psalm 15!

It is written that the wages of sin is death. We atheists will argue that it's not true.
And if death were to mean dying literally, we are correct.
“You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil,
for when you eat from it you will certainly die.” Not just die o, but certainly die!
Then they eat, and God reduces their punishment to "severe pains in childbearing and labour" and, "no more free food for you"!
And, "you will become dust after 730 years".

A whole 730 years, Tatime! Is that not like everlasting eternity already?
What the fuq happened to "when you eat from it you will certainly die”?
Was Satan lying when it said, “You will not certainly die”?
Did their eyes not open so that they realised they were naked, and did they not learn about "good and evil"?
Is it bad to learn about good and evil?
Will you, Tatime, not feed your own child the fruits of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil?
Is the entire ministry of Jesus Christ not about this so called fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil?
In fact, does Jesus Christ not embody and mean just that?
If I don't learn about good and evil please tell me how I am supposed to know the difference between the two?
How do I get to do this "mildness and righteous", "forgive seventy times seven times", turn the other cheek, and Psalm 15.
Can ignorant people do any of those things?
I doubt anyones child will get far in life if they don't eat of the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil in this current day world!

When it is said that "whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life", it is true in a Holy Spirit sense, as you Bible people say.
But unfortunately many think believing Jesus is their lord and saviour is all it takes without understanding they are being given stones by serpents!
They think God will plant a tree that is not good for consumption. I just wonder what sort of God some people bow down and worship!
Those who are justified by their faith and beliefs should go on doing so if it please them and their God.
I stand unshaken by the fruit of my works. For my John 3:16 reads,
"Those who live wisely and lovingly will live peacefully".
And believe me when I say that is enough everlasting life for me.
Anything after that, na jara.
It is not for nothing that strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

May the Peace of the Lord arrest everyone's hearts and eradicate ignorance from amongst us this Sunday before Christ comes.

Face palm. SMH
Why are there unbelievable more holes than in a Swiss cheese in this post?

#IfYouKnowYouKnow
If you know, you know and who no know, no go know

BluntBoy:
She made a lot of sense.

With the greatest respect to you BluntBoy she isnt making any sense
What she is doing is strawman mining

BluntBoy:
We have read about how Christ viewed the temple as mere stones.
When did the custom of erecting cathedrals start?
Why has church buildings become so powerful that many cannot even tell the difference between a "Church" and a mere building?
Why do pastors get so excited when they erect an edifice?
Is building an edifice the same as building a church?
Should pastors not be sad at the level of dastardly acts committed by Christians all over the world, from money laundering to drug peddling among other life-threatening acts.
Why are they rejoicing or admiring mere stones like the disciples did thousands of years ago?

BluntBoy what has all these got to do with me

BluntBoy:
This is an issue that needs serious attention.

Of course it is BluntBoy

BluntBoy:
Luvmijeje has asked wonderful questions.

No she hasnt if she is a green snake in green grass
Just because I havent mentioned her to be a lurking green snake before now, doesnt mean I never saw her to be one
She is a venomous snake, full of enmity and hostility, hiding in the grass
with the desire to hurt, annoy and/or offend others with her poisoned mind
No matter what wonderful questions a snake asks, a snake is still a snake
BluntBoy and Luvmijeje, remember what wonderful questions the serpent asked Eve in the garden of Eden? SMH.

luvmijeje:
Thank you Sir for seeing the point that I'm trying to make.

You're not trying to make any point.
What you are doing is shaking a table you are on.
The table you're standing on is not balanced because it has uneven legs and also isnt placed on firm ground
Double wahala for deady body

BluntBoy, please help ask luvmijeje, where on this thread or anywhere else on Nairaland,
have she read me recommending or supporting the custom of erecting cathedrals

luvmijeje, you are confused more than a chameleon that slid into a bag of skittles
Mobilia sussed you out for what you are
You are a renegade, you are an accuser of Paul, saying Paul twisted the teachings of Christ. SMH

luvmijeje:
So you still couldn't provide any scriptural references for your claim. I tire for your case.

Face palm and Jesus wept, again.
This is an absolute and unbelievable public display of biblical illiteracy
The cheek of it. She is asking me to provide scriptural references in where it's written in the Bible that they were on training course.

Common sense is like deodorant, people who need it most, never use it. SMH
luvmijeje, if you accept and agree that disciple means a follower or pupil of a teacher
why on earth are you requesting I spoon feed you, with bible verses about the disciples' training and testing?

TATIME:
You're welcome anytime my friend.
Well you may not understand my point but it's necessary if i should analyze what i summarized as worship!
When people say worship,what comes to your mind?
Is it some bowing or making sacrifices on alters?
Please when the TRUE God was telling HIS worshippers about things relating to worship, HE made it clear that ordinarily succumbing to sexual appetites means worshipping our sexual desires. For instance a person addicted to ponography is already worshipping another god! Ordinarily succumbing to drunkenness is tantamount to idolatry! Colossians 3:5
So if you're always following the teachings and philosophies of any person, you're indirectly worshipping that person! Jesus of Nazareth keeps telling His listeners that what He is teaching is from another higher intelligent being much wiser than Jesus Himself! John 8:28
Churchgoers saying they're worshiping Jesus are TOTALLY confused, because in the right sense if they're worshiping Jesus, they should be doing exactly what He taught. But instead they're worshiping their various religious leaders whose philosophies they're taking in as doctrines! Matthew 15:9
The Bible actually called Jesus God just as Moses because these two individuals are to teach their contemporaries what they need to know regarding way of life! John 1:1 and Exodus 7:1
So in conclusion my friend, God Almighty is the one that taught we HIS Witnesses that whoever is setting standards for others is serving as their God! Psalms 82:1,6
If you're taking the philosophies of Buddha and trying to meditate on how to live by it,then Buddha has become your God

MuttleyLaff:
"God" as in, first letter capitalization the word,
is different to "god", whatever letter cases the "o" and "d" in god is.
Sorry, God and whatever variant of god don't mean the same thing.
There are similarities, god(s) have with God of course.

Why don't you tell the glutton not to deify the stomach or belly?

Why don't you tell the drunk or alcoholic not to deify beer, spirits, rum, alcohol etcetera?

Why don't you tell the chrematistic, not to deify money?

Why don't you tell the pagan, not to deify the inanimate or not alive object, lying around at his/her shrine?

Why don't you tell the throngs that call out for their posts to make front page,
not to deify the god of Nairaland and/or try to invoke his angels when they regularly pray to the heaven of Nairaland for favours?

Again, dear friend, humans subconsciously and not, deify

I completely concur with this way you've described it & do without any demur

PS: I liked that post with the picture of the snake because the lesson in it first instantly resonated with me
but then I soon after immediately remembered Luke 10:19 talking of Jesus
giving us the authority to trample on snakes & scorpions and to overcome all the power of the enemy; that nothing will harm us.

budaatum:
Listen to yourself!
How can buda, an atheist, think a god can forgive, or judge, or be a hypocrite?

No!
You listen to yourself, you listen for a nanosecond change to yourself.

Hear me good and I mean real and pretty good now budaatum.
I have switched off any thought of your pretend and fantasized imaginary million pounds in your bank account
It's dead easy. I will never discuss again, will never raise it up again, wont ever be fazed at all to again bring it up
but you, you budaatum have a friendly albatross hung around your neck. Kikikiki ki ki.
I can shut out your pretend and fantasized imaginary million pounds in your bank account thought and never mention it again
but you budaatum an atheist will today, tomorrow and unto the end of time of this side of eternity cant similar with God
You are foxtrot uniform charlie kilo echo delta mate
I am free, its so good to be free, what a very good feeling

The non existence of God is eating you away,
unless you sleep, you cant escape from arguing the existence of God nor stop questioning God

budaatum:
You seriously need to switch on muttley!

Did the mirror break when you said this in front of it?
Better find one thats not and repeat this remark in front of it

budaatum:
What? Tell him not to respond to you?
Did Lord tell you I'm his mother or I pay for his data?!
If anything, I should be paying him to throw your insulting ass in hell
considering how little you've reigned your own self in lately with your incessant insults of buda.

He's dishing out the wages of your sins as far as I'm concerned, unless you are the one who thinks sins should go unpunished!

Do yourself the favour and reign him in yourself.
I'm very certain that if you admit your errors he will be reigned.

And while you're at it, you might want to apologise to buda for being rude to you!

budaatum hmmm, dont be doing like you dont know
It's not like someone snitched on you, I read you asking if I am being annoyingly lazy when I was quizzing you
If I should start to talk budaatum, it wont end

You know me, I dont give a foxtrot uniform charlie kilo about him
It is you maintaining your sanity I am concerned about because when the ruckus reaches the roof you'll soon be whingeing over it
Suit yourself then, if you are dead against the suggestion to rein him in or at least put him on a strong short and far away leash from derailing

budaatum:
If God asks mere mortals, whom it is supposed to have created, to forgive, God, the supposed creator, should be an example and forgive a lot more.

Phew, thank you.
Better late than never. We got there at the end.
I thought so that this is what and how your reasoning will be.

Do you really think God is not leading by example?
Do you really think you are not be "forgiven" a lot more?
Are you unwittingly mixing forgiveness up with judgement?
Do you know how many that drove a car from the pub under influence last night and got home without a scratch?
Do you know how many tripped on the kerb this morning without getting hurt?
Do you know how many crossed the road this last hour with checking first if safely to cross?
Are you really calling God a hypocrite?

PS budaatum please do us a favour and rein in LordReed. I know what from the beginning I wrote

budaatum:
You know me to respond to questions asked of me but I saw no reason to respond to your question muttley since my statement is rather self explanatory but if you need it explained then perhaps my so called "self styled self confessed highfalutin post" is way beyond your level or the switch on ...

I dont understand some of you guys sometimes.
I am beginning to think that maybe it's a tactical move or strategy you guys employ.

What I correctly wrote and in verbatim, reproduced below is the following:
"I always find self styled, self confessed and/or wannabe atheists to be incredibly or extremely interesting bunch of human beings.
Take for example, you, when and where you're saying:
"God should forgive more than it asks its creations to forgive. A million times a million times more, at least"

You then after, followed up that remark with a spate of highfalutin posts
and in typical armchair speculation style, reeled out subtle rantings and ravings about God being unjust, amateurish, useless and incompetent..."

I dont know what you plan to gain or achieve butchering up and bastardising what I wrote, trying to make it fail to represent what I intended.

budaatum:
... your brain needs turning on you after all showed its off when you argue that the "imaginary million pounds in my bank account" does not exist.

I never said it does not exist
rather I said if you can you find a person that recognises and accepts the imaginary million pounds in his bank account I will convert

Incidentally the belief in the existence of God is upheld in the courts of the land.
Try this your "cerebral" stunt in front of a judge on earth,
and let's see if your brain will reset and the smirk get wiped off your face or not

budaatum:
What proof do you want for a "should" statement?

I am not asking to be given a proof for a "should" statement

I like holding people by the wrist arm. That way, there is a slim chance of slipping away.
All I am asking is tell how you mean God should forgive more than asking creations to forgive and a million times a million times more, at least
Just explain, explain why you think God should forgive a million times a million times more

BluntBoy:
Good questions!!

I dont know why you think they are good questions
but do know that she and frosbel2 need to get someone slap reset their brains for them because of their buffooneries.

luvmijeje:
He can never answer it truthfully because during the era of Christ, he prophesied against the building of temple in Matthew 24:1-2

Christ was against the building of churches. Then came in Paul who twisted the teachings of Christ.

SMH. For crying out loud, what has ekklesia, to do with physical brick and mortar temple?

The reason why, when the ink was wet, I didnt want to post on frosbel2 "Freedom From Religion Is The Best Thing Ever" thread
was because frosbel2 is on the far high end spectrum of a lost cause, but I changed my mind after reading you endorsing his post.

Once you start down the slippery slope of self-destruction, like frosbel2 has, it is going to be very difficult to climb off it
luvmijeje, dont do follow-follow with frosbel2.
Please dont dig yourself a hole, you cant climb out of

Retrace your steps to find out where you've got it all wrong.
Go study the bible and learn about temple of the heart, about worship in spirit and truth etcetera

luvmijeje:
[s]Absolutely bullshit.
Every single of your comment is bullshit because it's base on a false premise.
That's how you get on the pulpit and start teaching rubbish.[/s]

Is it the period?
Is it that time of the month for you?

luvmijeje:
Where was it written in the Bible that they were on training course?

And he said unto them,
"Follow me, and I will make you fishers of men."
- Matthew 4:19

¹⁷Jesus said to them,
"Come, follow me! I will teach you how to catch people instead of fish"
¹⁸Right then the two brothers dropped their nets and went with him.
- Mark 1:17

and so also were James and John, sons of Zebedee, who were partners with Simon.
And Jesus said to Simon,
"Do not fear, from now on you will be catching men."
- Luke 5:10

luvmijeje:
Men like you created religion in order to control your fellow men.

Listen and now hear me right.
Football is not a religion I am into, fashion is not a religion I am in to, Christianity is not a religion I am into.
The only religion I am sold out to is, compasssion
Read the bible properly and very well, pure and genuine religion in the sight of God is about compassion.
It is about empathy, benevolence, thoughtful consideration and generosity for other people in need
Compassion that has no barriers, as it cuts right through Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, Judaism, New Age etcetera

luvmijeje:
When next you respond to me I want biblical scripture that shows Christ commanding you all to build churches?

So you are now resorting to doing a strawman with me. Huh?
From where are you bringing this out from and trying to pin on me?
Are you sure, you're totally with it yet today?
Bad energy, stay, very, very, far away from me please.

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/41AiRdYKeFL._SX300_.jpg
What a load of rubbish
Put radioactive waste trash where it belongs

luvmijeje:
Luke 10 : 1-11

Are the above also on training course?

Are you by any chance infoxicated?

I asked because I did earlier write that,
the those twelve, with POWER & AUTHORITY were sent out in pairs and that this is a test luvmijeje.

Said they were put through their paces to check their performance, reliability etcetera before being drafted into widespread and wider use.
To see what will they do when alone, when Christ is not there and so left to their own devices
Would they obey, would they trust, would they have faith, would they deliver/have good successes?

I also wrote luvmijeje, that if you had put forward Matthew 28:18-20 instead of Luke 9:1-5,
maybe we wouldnt have been having this our intelligent discourse in this way or manner
Since you are in Luke, then have Luke 24:46-49 in association with Matthew 28:18-20.

Now notice luvmijeje that the twelve were instructed to specifically go only to the Jews, as in, sent to the Israelites alone
and that, it was after the twelves return, that the seventy, were in similar manner sent out to undertake the same test
The only difference between the twelve's and the seventy's testing
was that the seventy were now sent to have the test on a widespread and wider ground,
as in, they were sent to the Jews and Gentiles alike.

The seventy passed the test, returned with joy and testified to Jesus, in Luke 10:17 with the following words:
"Lord, even the demons submit to us in Your name."

So anwering your "Are the above also on training course?" question
The above seventy, just like the earlier twelve, I never said were on a training course
This is a test luvmijeje for the above seventy, just like it was a test for the earlier twelve.

Now this is detouring a bit, to go on to another matter of same or similar strength of importance.
You really need to reconsider what your perception of religion is luvmijeje
because if you thoughtfully read Luke 10:25-37 further down from Luke 10 : 1-11,
you'll get to know that there is no freedom from religion
There is no escape from pure and true religion like you were agreeing with frosbel2 on that other thread

Guess what luvmijeje, hear me out, listen and listen real good
The word "religion" has changed its meaning from what it originally was,
It has changed from when it used to be about benevolence, thoughtful consideration and generosity for other people in need
Changed when it used to be associated with the word compassion

You see, having compassion makes you care, lets you become less prejudiced,
makes you less extreme, less intense or violent to want to kill, antagonise or fight unjust wars with another

Yup luvmijeje, compassion cuts right through Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, Judaism, New Age etcetera

Watch this luvmijeje, do you ever ask about someone's belief or unbelief first before offering them help or assistance?
Do you ever first, ask about someone's belief or unbelief before extending your compassion to them, especially when in time of need?

If anyone wants to do religion, then compassion, is the religion, on record, deemed pure and faultless by God

Whatever the front, however it is painted and however you've perceived religion to be,
the truth and fact is, what is fronted as pure and faultless religion in today's world, isnt it.

Religion, that is pure and faultless, is about, not, how regular one prays, is not about regular congregated attendance.
Religion, that is pure and faultless, is not, about wearing hijab or burka

Even before what the world has become today, a priest & levite (i.e. pastor and "church" worker) in Luke 10:25-37
had slipped up on what pure and faultless religion is

Anything less than practising, pure and faultless religion, is not true and so thereby is false religion.
If it's not compassion centric it is false impure and faulty religion

Freedom from that kind of religion is the best thing ever
however freedom from pure and true religion, is the worst thing ever, that will happen to humanity

There is only one true and pure religion in the world - Empathy

If you like skim through this post and fleetingly read it, like I am guessing you'll do

budaatum:
Why would a god that asks its creations to forgive 70 times 70 times not itself forgive 70 million times 70 million times?

MuttleyLaff:
How do you mean with this remark?

budaatum:
God should forgive more than it asks its creations to forgive. A million times a million times more, at least.

MuttleyLaff:
How do you mean God should forgive more than it asks its creations to forgive and a million times a million times more, at least?

Ihedinobi3:
When you say that God ought to forgive sinners because He is loving and merciful and commands us to be the same, do you not mean that He ought not to punish evil?

budaatum:
I suppose I do mean evil goes unpunished by God. And if you take away the mythical hell, and God, it does appear to be the case that evil often goes unpunished unless we punish it ourselves.

Imagine politicians who rob us and who's children get to buy their way to rule in perpetuity. The British royal family come to mind. They built their wealth on the back of slaves and theft and I can't see how God punished them for it. Generations later, their descendants are enjoying their forebears ill-gotten wealth. Kind of debunks the idea of a jealous God "visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children, and on the third and the fourth generations of those who hate Me", wouldn't you say? ^{See note though!}

Humans get away with quite a lot of things we'd consider sinful. We console ourselves with "they will go to hell", but that's just a belief. No one really knows if hell really exists such that the neo-Christians are in the process of eliminating the idea completely.
Besides, one can sin all one's life, say "Jesus is Lord" with their last breathe, and they get to go to heaven, unpunished.

"Ought", is not the right word. "God very often doesn't punish evil", is more accurate, or in atheist speak, "there just are no gods!"

But (and this is the 'note!') all the above is taking sin to mean sin in its conventional form, and god to be the man in the sky. If sin is considered to mean error, or ignorance or stupidity, and god means that which is right and proper, you might perhaps see how the 'sins' of the father are inflicted on generation after generation until one accepts 'Jesus' (knowledge, wisdom) into one's life and repents from the ignorant ways of oneself and forebears. Britain has done this, and is why it is heaven. While Nigeria continues to sin and is still hell.

I hope you heard of the Nigerian stowaways found on the Grande Tema in the Thames Estuary trying to get into heaven. They will be deported straight back to hell if not imprisoned first for being pirates!

budaatum:
I do hope we can achieve some clarity in communication though I think you misrepresent my position.

Here is what I said and what I think you refer to:

"God should forgive more than it asks its creations to forgive. A million time a million times more, at least. "

Considering that some humans would likely use up that quota, then of course once they have, punishment would and should follow.
And if said God's form of punishment is hell, which it would have created for that purpose, why please wouldn't it use it?
Would I not punish my child with a rod, if that's my preferred mode of punishment, and after I have forgiven the same sin even only just twice, because, I love my child?! Is it not in fact the love that I have for my child that would make me bother to punish it?

Please do show me where I said what you claimed above. It is not a position I believe I have expressed.
My apologies for giving you work.
See it please as correcting and ministering to me, and to achieve some clarity in communication.

You never responded to my above question, reproduced next below:
"How do you mean God should forgive more than it asks its creations to forgive and a million times a million times more, at least?"

I dont like making assumptions without seeing proof of it in black and white.
That's why I kept soliciting for more information
from you to state clearly & in detail, leaving no room for confusion or doubt, of what you're saying/asking
but I didnt get a reply to it, so I am not surprised, reading you throwing a strop at Ihedinobi3
saying he has misinterpreted and given you a position you haven't expressed.

I always find self styled, self confessed and/or wannabe atheists to be incredibly or extremely interesting bunch of human beings
Take for example, you, when and where you're saying:
"God should forgive more than it asks its creations to forgive. A million times a million times more, at least"

You then after, followed up that remark with a spate of highfalutin posts
and in typical armchair speculation style, reeled out subtle rantings and ravings about God being unjust, amateurish, useless and incompetent

Often what's said about God is that God doesnt know how to deal with evil.
Is causing hardship and is the cause of difficulties in life.
Other things said about God, is, He's struggling to deal with what's on the ground,
He is confused, has messed up big time, doesnt know any better and so is inept
An idiotic, narcissisitic rapist is how He is seen to be.
Another one, is like you, ineffectively, saying, God is a hypocrite because He isnt acting in the way He advises His creations to behave etcetera

If you cant be bothered budaatum, to get right, the number of times God advised His creations to forgive
then I shudder to think of how much more other things and matter you've misread into and misunderstood

budaatum:
MuttleyLaff, please do us all a favour and consider shutting up. You are muddling the thread with your ungrownupness!

I will show you ungrownupness in a minute

LordReed:
Dude stop trying to divert,
you said you'll convert if budaa finds just one person that believes,
there was no talk of sales person so conform and stop being a bloody chicken. LMFAO!

Please keep out of budaatum and I
and stop muddling the thread with your ungrownupness should have been addressed to you

LordReed:
Guy stop being a chicken and stick to your words.

Where is the saleperson that recognises and accepts the imaginary million pounds in his bank account.?

Sebi, that is when you'll be in a position to get your bum on seat and grubby hands behind the steering wheel?
Where, where is the salesperson!?

LordReed:
LMFAO! And he types this without irony. O my days! LMFAO!

budaatum come and see this your guy o! LMFAO!

Meanwhile don't digress, you said you'll convert if budaa finds just one person that believes, now you have evidence you want to chicken out. You heathen! Believe the budaa and be saved!

Oh poor you,
somebody please tell him that budaatum was stringing him along
budaatum deceived you by letting you believe him
He gave you false hopes and made you believe on an imaginary million pounds in his bank account. SMH.

Ihedinobi3:
I think she's a she.
I don't care because it is not relevant to the conversation I am having, dear friend.

budaatum is he

LordReed:
Unlike you I have evidence.

https://www.nairaland.com/4906214/there-no-such-things-witchcraft/8#73991450

I read that "evidence" when its ink was still wet.
"Hell" will first freeze over before budaatum gets his imaginary million pounds in his bank account recognised
and a salesperson who'd accept it, for him buying everyone a top car!

You LordReed are on a long thing. You've backed the wrong horse
and I am not surprised you have because the promise of a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow
often makes greedy people say or do irrational things

LordReed:
Convert now you heathen!
For I believe in the budaa and his £1million.

[img]https://s1/images/MuttAmin.gif[/img]
Scammer. Lukeatew.

budaatum:
Are you suggesting the entire idea of God is just some motivational lie to get you out of bed in the morning?

Nope, I never suggested that the entire idea of God is just some motivational lie to get you out of bed in the morning
That is another of your misadventurous invention and/or cooked up imaginary stuff that the entire idea of God is just some motivational lie.

Let's see, how far, we can kick this.
Supposing the entire idea of God is just some motivational lie to get us out of bed in the morning.
If it wasnt there to motivate to get you out of bed in the morning,
then that means nobody gets out of bed

People believe it, people believe the lie then
but you, you budaatum, cant find one single person, who believes in your fantasy of the imaginary million pounds in your bank account
you want to use to buy that spanking brand new red Ferrari sports dick extension car
that if any, will make me automatic alacrity, arriba, arriba, andale, andale Speedy Gonzales willingly become a convert.

nelsonoba:
Bros, try and be using your sense nah.......
do you get any multiplication from hoes and cutlasses?
Can you plant or invest hoes and cutlasses to make any profit from them as a farmer?
Is the instruction for tithe as clearly seen in Malachi 3 not to bring A TENTH OF YOUR INCREASE/PROFIT
Did God ever say people are supposed to pay tithe when they have not made profit?

Why have you decided to allow your sense depart from you just because you want to prove what you can't?
Please next time, try and be making sense with your questions.
You are bigger than these sub-standard low-quality lame questions you just asked.

Gbese re ooo
Let him read this post unchanged, you don buy market be that
You have bitten more than you can chew
Pikin wey no gree take training for home, na outside people go nack hin head correct with am

TATIME:
Hmmmmmmmmm well let's iron that out with our intellect!
You're an atheist, your preferred God is Buddha (Oriental), some of your folks preferred Zeus (Greece) e.t.c
Yet you aren't criticising one another to the point of public assault or instigating the authorities against one specific group.
Moreover all other groups though may not truthfully be in agreement with one another but NONE is saying "we're the one and only source of divine guidance"
Jehovah's Witnesses have been experiencing such criticism from day one! For instance
*Cain murdered Abel because Abel's worship was preferred.
*All the nations around the Mediterranean hated Israelites because they claim to be the only nation worshipping the TRUE God. Israelites won't marry their children nor give them their daughter.
During their festivities Israelites won't send delegates.
*While all others fights due to lands,resources and politics, they usually form alliance against Jehovah's Witnesses because they're standing out.
*None of them is interested in pure worship, they only believe in interfaith but Jehovah's Witnesses won't worship with those not worshiping JEHOVAH!

MuttleyLaff:
The real mumu is you and those other two, that liked your ignorant comment

That is a picture of the statue of Siddhartha Gautama, known as The Buddha,
who happened to be a spiritual teacher in the northern region of India.

The three of you are the only ones who dont know that Buddhists are atheists.
They don't believe in God and gods, don't worship a God or god.

This isnt calling you a mumu TATIME
but it's reproduced here just as a FYI

budaatum:
First, the fact that you can find lots of people to believe what you do hardly makes it so.
If it were so, I'd cook up a billion pounds in my head, promise to pay 999 million of it to 99.9 million people for believing it too
and we'll all pocket the one million each that our collective belief made true!

I dont foxtrot uniform charlie kilo care
All I will care about is, if you can find one person, just one person,
just one budaatum, who believes in your fantasy of the imaginary million pounds in your bank account
you want to use to buy that spanking brand new red Ferrari sports dick extension car
then I will automatic alacrity, arriba, arriba, andale, andale Speedy Gonzales willingly become a convert.

budaatum:
And the fact that I may cook up in my head that it would be a good day any day that I wake up does not make it necessarily so either, muttley!
At best, I hope it would be a good day, but it may very well turn out to be the worst day ever, or my last!

There is the point budaatum
At least the thought spurred you on enough to get out of bed and face the world
otherwise you wouldnt think it's worthwhile rolling out of bed

budaatum:
By God, are you being annoyingly lazy!

No,
but shoving back your annoyingly lazy, "no one's going to believe you", back at you.

nelsonoba:
Your problem is that you don't know the meaning of the word "money". You are confusing currency with money. To educate you a bit; ALL CURRENCY IS MONEY, BUT NOT ALL MONEY IS CURRENCY. Go and do your proper research on the difference between the two of them before coming to display your gross ignorance. To a farmer, AGRICULTURAL PRODUCE IS MONEY!

Then also, you ask what sin Abraham would have been committing by not paying TITHE?
Why don't you start by asking Abraham who gave him the idea of TITHING? Was it Lucifer?
Why didn't God reject the tithe when Abraham paid it if it wasn't God that gave him the idea?

PastorAIO:
To a blacksmith, according to your logic, all iron implements are money.
Why didn't god say they should bring one tenth of their hoes and cutlasses?

https://www.nairaland.com/4906753/daddy-freeze-liar-tithing-very/20#74041262
I wished nelsonoba just paid attention to the pasted by MuttleyLaff: 8:55am On Dec 21 above link
He wouldnt have posted:
"Why don't you start by asking Abraham who gave him the idea of TITHING?...
Why didn't God reject the tithe when Abraham paid it if it wasn't God that gave him the idea?"

Look at nelsonoba scoring an own goal. SMH.