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alBHAGDADI:
Your post has no head nor tail. Just a pile of lack of direction. Even the link you shared doesn't correlate with your post.

The link is about and called "Text Analysis"
Read the column in the website link that says English.

Also go and find out what "cherem" means. That was the word used in the original text in Joshua 7:11 for the things God commanded should be destroyed.

Ignorance is a choice and you sure have chosen to be ignorantly so SMH.

alBHAGDADI:
You made a silly mistake and you are expecting me to point it out for you. So much silliness. You expect me to Now be the one to admit that you mistyped. How was I to know?

It is only Good News translation that used the word destruction. Other Bible translation showed that those things were set apart for God, which means they won't be destroyed because Joshua 6:19 says they were to be kept in God's Treasury.

click link below to see how other translations put it.

https://biblehub.com/joshua/7-11.htm

https://biblehub.com/text/joshua/7-11.htm

Bible translations are not God inspired, so instead of signposting me to various bible translations, click on the above link, to read what the original text says.

It called what you said are 'those things were set apart for God, which means they won't be destroyed because" accursed things earmarked for destruction because they have been condemned. You continue playing the role of a confirmed liar

Destruction is what is going to happen to people that continue in the path you are trending. If this sounds too strong for you or harsh to you, then desist and come off that path.

alBHAGDADI:
What is tithe? That thing which belongs to God which you are not suppose to touch. The moment you touch it, you disobey God by robbing him. Adam and Eve disobeyed God by eating from the tree they were not supposed to touch after God gave them every other tree.

Genesis 2:16-17 King James Version (KJV)
And the L ORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

God has given you 90% and wants 10% for himself so as to keep you always in acknowledgement of him. Adam and Eve failed to obey God. They wanted to do things their own way. Look what he got them. You failing to pay 10% means you want to do things your own way too.

"Ara adugbo, ẹ gba mi ooo, oun oju mi ri, oju mi ko. SMH"
loosely translated means
"My neighbours, my neighbours, my eyes don see things, please come look at what I am reading ooo SMH"

alBHAGDADI:
You call me a liar but you are the liar who even lies against the Bible. You said Joshua 7:10 says God said he will destroy Jericho. Sorry bro, the verse doesn't say such.

Joshua 7:10
And the LORD said unto Joshua, Get thee up; wherefore liest thou thus upon thy face?

God didn't say everything should be destroyed, rather he said the gold, silver etc are his and should be kept in his Treasury.
It is those things Achan took from that got him punished and brought God's anger on the children of Israel.
Joshua 6:18-19
18 And ye, in any wise keep yourselves from the accursed thing, lest ye make yourselves accursed, when ye take of the accursed thing, and make the camp of Israel a curse, and trouble it.
19 But all the silver, and gold, and vessels of brass and iron, are consecrated unto the L ORD : they shall come into the treasury of the L ORD .


Joshua 7:20-21
20 And Achan answered Joshua, and said, Indeed I have sinned against the L ORD God of Israel, and thus and thus have I done:
21 When I saw among the spoils a goodly Babylonish garment, and two hundred shekels of silver, and a wedge of gold of fifty shekels weight, then I coveted them, and took them; and, behold, they are hid in the earth in the midst of my tent, and the silver under it.
I've clearly maintained that first fruit is the same as tithe.

"¹⁰The Lord said to Joshua, “Get up! Why are you lying on the ground like this?
¹¹Israel has sinned! They have broken the agreement with me that I ordered them to keep.
They have taken some of the things condemned to destruction.
They stole them, lied about it, and put them with their own things."
- Joshua 7:10-11

You see now how not just a liar you're but you havent got the honesty & decency to admit I mistyped Joshua 7:11 to be Joshua 7:10.
You typed every other verse in the bible but avoided typing out Joshua 7:11 because it will show you out for what you really are

Achan got punished for stealing accursed and condemned things, hiding them and for lying about it

Repent from this road you're tredding because destruction lays await ahead

alBHAGDADI:
You don't read the Bible or you sound like someone that has never read it before.

1. Adam and Eve tithed. The tree of the knowledge of good and evil was their tithe which they weren't to touch because it belong to God. The moment they failed in obeying that commandment, they became fallen and lost out. Through our the Bible, there has always been a concept of one thing that belongs to God which man must not touch. Read Joshua chapter 6 and 7 to see how God told them not to touch the treasure of the first city they conquered. Achan disobeyed and was stoned to death.

2. Must the Bible mention everything? Even the first fruit Abel gave, you haven't believed it, yet you want the Bible to write about how Adam and Eve went to the toilet.

3. Go and read the OP

4. They are the same thing just different names.

5. It is a must do or else you will be robbing God as he said in Malachi.

6. Believers are those who have faith in God. They existed in the old and new testament. If Paul could reference Abel in Hebrew 11:4 then it means he was totally in support of first fruit. Nowhere did the apostles says the old testament has been thrown away. All scriptures are inspired of God and profitable for doctrine. This includes the old testament.

2 Timothy 3:16
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Abel was a faithful believer. Abraham was the father of faith. We Christians today ought to do what our brothers in the faith did.

Though alBHAGDADI, you're not just obstinate but you're unrependant too, I still thank you for the courtesy of boldly responding to the six question albeit you failed abjectly in your answers, I still appreciate you allowing the readers into seeing how your mind thinks and are you again evaded and avoided directly or outrightly answering the questions

Jericho was a cursed city. In Joshua 7:10, God said everything in Jericho belonged to Him and had to be destroyed. But the Israelites have kept some of the things for themselves. They stole from Him and hid what they took. Achan stole what God had earmarked to be destroyed and lied about it. This has nothing to do with tithe or firstfruits alBHAGDADI.

alBHAGDADI, again I beg you, please "ro ti ikunlẹ abiyamọ, irọ yi ti pọju kẹ" loosely translated means "Steady on! Have mercy, these barefaced lies, you're telling with a straight face are too much now"

So the tithe Abraham gave Melchizedek is called firstfruit, right?

OkCornel:
Even in the era of Solomon where gold and silver was plentiful, it never changed the object of what was tithed?

In Matthew 23 v 23; Jesus never made any reference to monetary tithes. This was after the era of Solomon.

How then did tithe change from agricultural produce to money?

Or are you implying God did not know what He was doing when He gave out the guidelines on tithing?

Anas09:
Wonderful!!! This guy. We have had 4 Eras. The Golden or Classic Era ===Abraham till Jesus.
The Medieval === Agrarian=== from Jesus to the fall of Rome to the World Wars.

The Renaissance Era=== Post World Wars.

Modern Era === Technology. Now.

Through all these Ages, things have changed, but has God? Shd his ordinances?

alBHAGDADI:
Malachi 3:6
For I am the LORD , I change not;

Another of your skillful prooftext eh?
I change not, for your information, means the nature of God doesnt change. period, so please stop already all these your prooftexting just to justify obligatory ecclesiastical monitised tithe giving.

CodeTemplar:
You are wrong because Mathew 23:23 proves tithing is alive. I already answered Seun's question directly.

You are completely and utterly wrong that tithing is alive and this is because tithing ceased to be alive, after the temple got destroyed and razed to the ground in 70 AD by the Romans

CodeTemplar:
Seun asked:
"Do you believe that Jesus demanded monetary tithes from his followers when he was still alive?"

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I replied.:
He encouraged it in Matthew 23:23.
I consider that an implicit demand.

Do you see how you've again prevaricated?
1/ When Seun asked that question, do you think, he didnt know the difference between demand and encourage?
2/ Did Jesus in that verse Matthew 23:23 address His observation about tithing ectetera to His followers when he was still alive or it was to the Pharisees?
3/ Please just simply, ordinarily and outrightly answer Seun's question
Now again, do you believe that Jesus demanded monetary tithes from his followers when He was still alive?

xpmode:
Am not evading any question, am forcing out the truth from you.

Yourself had said it all that Jesus Christ is not in place to receive or take tithes. His silence on the matter simply means noting is be change concerning Tithing. The Apostles were silent on it as well because tithing is a general custom/practice, permit me to say Standing Order

Either of Jesus or the Apostle could not as well demand for tithe from their congregation because that will amount to overriding the already existing Law and that will also contradict Matt 5:17.

But on the aspect of freewill offering/giving, that is not Levitical, Both Jesus and the Apostles talk about it.

What has Matthew 5:17 got to do with the matter on ground? SMH. You not only evade anwering questions but you're also skilled in prooftexting as well. SMH. How many tricks, more, up your sleeve have you?

Please, dont mind what I wrote or said, just simply, ordinarily and outrightly go straight to answering Seun's direct and straightforward question, after that we can look at and deal with your prooftexted Matthew 5:17

Now again, do you believe that Jesus demanded monetary tithes from his followers when He was still alive?

alBHAGDADI:
I'm glad my post which you brought from another thread didn't say first fruit is full salary of wages. Never did I say such. I've always maintained that first fruit is the same as tithe which is 10%.
So stop trying to say what I didnt say.

OkCornel:
You clearly denied first fruits had anything to do with salary and wages, why are changing mouth now?

Cc: Muttleylaff

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyYEu3m9Mh0
alBHAGDADI, why you'd be glad that you burrowed yourself deeper in the hole you dug yourself into, I dont understand.

I have just gone over your original post on your that infamous "First Fruit: Don't Let Anyone Tell You Not To Give To God In 2019" thread. The reason why I am just reading the post, is because I knew I didnt want to waste precious time reading a post I already know will be farcical and prooftexted. I was right about the farcical and prooftext but you worsen the whole matter when you painted the picture of God has been grudge-bearing over a measly tithe.

Listen again, to what you sickeningly wrote:
"If you don't pay your tithe or firstfruits, don't worry you will still pay it later. God has a way of getting what belongs to him... Since you don't want to give willingly what belongs to God, then he will take it out of you in one way or another... If you fail to give God, he will take it out of you. It's the same as a child saying she won't wash the dishes are parents told her to wash. Well, the kid will get spanked and still wash the dish. God can make you fall terribly sick such that the first fruits you were supposed to give him will be spent on medical bills. It could be common cough that will hey you hospitalized and make you spend that much. Perhaps your car breaking down regularly to the extent that you become a meal ticket to mechanics. The good part is that the doctors who treat you and the mechanics might be tithe or first fruit payers. That's how your money will end up with God even after you've been spanked."

alBHAGDADI, my brother, please "ro ti ikunlẹ abiyamọ, irọ yi ti pọju" loosely translated means "Steady on! Have mercy, telling barefaced lies with a straight face is too much"

Fela singing, will say confusion nah wa alBHAGDADI. For you alBHAGDADI, to say, "I always maintained that first fruit is the same as tithe which is 10%" Na big, big confusion be dat ee-oh. You are more confused than a chameleon lost in a bag of skittles for asserting that first fruit is the same as tithe which is 10%

There are so many holes in that original post of your infamous "First Fruit: Don't Let Anyone Tell You Not To Give To God In 2019" thread, it is contesting qualification to be called a Swiss cheese because of many holes in it.

Now let's watch you alBHAGDADI and see you ignore and keep at arm length these questions just like you did with OkCornel:
1/ Why doesn't the bible mention that Adam and Eve tithed to God?
2/ Why doesn't the bible mention that Adam and Eve gave firstfruits to God?
3/ You referenced Genesis 4:4, saying:
And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the LORD had respect unto Abel and to his offering.
Now with this your prooftext verse, what is Abel's offering being accepted but Cain's was rejected, connection with this to the tithes or firstfruits practice you vigorously support and defend and what implication has it to do with them?
4/ Do tithes and firstfruits have the same meaning and essence?
5/ What to your knowledge & understanding for believers is tithes or firstfruits? Are they for believers, a voluntary giving or it is a must do obligatory giving or payment?
6/ Please provide bible verse(s) from the New Testament of believers, other than their bodies, practising and giving firstfruits or even monitised tithes?

You too, don't go about trying to dissuade people from advising others not to pay to tithes or firstfruits to any living the life of opulence. You too, don't go about with posting threads upadan, trying to dissuade people from telling others, they have autonomy over their tithes or firstfruits and that it doesnt have to go to any, living the life of opulence.

budaatum:
And both are gods to those who know no better.

Why to you budaatum, is God known as and called god instead of knowing and refering to Him as God, that He truly and really is??

budaatum:
May never know? Perhaps way long after we've done a lot more searching, yes.
For now, we haven't begun scratching the surface so its way too soon for "we may never know", least not for we Nigerians who don't appear to know there's a surface to scratch not to talk of knowing how to scratch it!

God is praised for being mysterious; rulers are praised for explaining mysteries.

xpmode:
Nice one The guy will be posting as if he doesn't think. I sometimes wonder if he was the brain behind Nairaland.

MuttleyLaff:
It is very clear you don't understand his question.

Think about, did Jesus demand or receive monetary tithes for His ministry, is different to, did Judas receive, on behalf of Jesus, money?

CodeTemplar:
Those guys are avoiding simple questions after 40 comments here. Jesus was aware Judas was keeping money the twelve disciple spent.
Most folks here are avoiding the question because they know the answer to it will expose their opposition of tithes and other seeds.

Seun:
Do you believe that Jesus demanded monetary tithes from his followers when he was still alive?

It is you who started first, to avoid directly answering Seun's simple question.

You prevaricated because you knew honestly answering the question will expose the truth that Jesus Christ did not demand obligatory monitised tithe giving from His followers and/or admirers for Him or His ministry when He was alive

luvmijeje:
This is the second part of my revelations. If you missed the first part, click on my moniker.

For this second revelation, I want to thank Jesusjnr. It was when when I was discussing with him last night that I got this revelation. So let me shoot.

Christ's teaching : Matthew 6 :24
"No one can serve two masters, for either he will hate the one and love the other,
or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other.
You cannot serve God and money."

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Paul's teaching : 2nd Corinthian 8 : 9
"For you know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ,
that though he was rich, yet for your sake he became poor,
so that you by his poverty might become rich."

We now have another God in the church of today. The God of money.

¹This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work.
²A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;
³Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;
- 1 Timothy 3:1-3

"Certainly, the love of money is the root of all kinds of evil.
Some people who have set their hearts on getting rich have wandered away from the Christian faith
and have caused themselves a lot of grief."
- 1 Timothy 6:10

"¹⁷Teach those who are rich in this world not to be proud and not to trust in their money, which is so unreliable.
Their trust should be in God, who richly gives us all we need for our enjoyment.
¹⁸Tell them to use their money to do good.
They should be rich in good works and generous to those in need, always being ready to share with others.
¹⁹By doing this they will be storing up their treasure as a good foundation for the future so that they may experience true life."
- 1 Timothy 6:17-19

"¹But understand this: In the last days terrible times will come.
²For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money,
boastful, arrogant, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy,
³unloving, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, without love of good,
⁴traitorous, reckless, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God,
⁵having a form of godliness but denying its power."
- 2 Timothy 3:1-3

luvmijeje, answer the following questions please:
1/ Are your familiar with each and all of the above verses?
2/ Please give the name of the person who is responsible for the words in each and all of the above verses
3/ Since you're familiar with the verses earlier shown, do you consider your named person given as the answer to #2 above, blameworthy still?

luvmijeje:
Finally. You agree with me on something.

It doesn't invalidate that you are wrong and continue to be wrong in all your false accusations of Paul

If I place a knife on a table, and you pick it up to use but you cut yourself, is the fault of hurting yourself my fault? Why didn't you use the knife carefully and properly?

luvmijeje, your second accusation, on your second thread, as I knew it would be, is abysmal and disgracefully pitiful.
Go to your "How The Teaching Of Paul Differs From The Teaching Of Christ (part 2)" thread and you'll see my response to it

luvmijeje:
Knowing that we don't see eyes to eyes on most things, I will still watch it just to prove whether we are finally going to agree on something.

There are things we agree on, there are things we both don't accept as being right but I don't see eye to eye with you on the issue of your discrediting Paul. Remember I said, I had the same opinion you had about Paul, but, I thank God, I found the error in my moment of lapse and misunderstanding of the whole issue.

luvmijeje:
Chillax. Two down, eight more to go. If at the end of unveiling 10 ways on why the teaching of Paul change the narrative of Christ's teaching still prompt you to ask why I'm challenging the teaching of Paul, then I'll look harder into the mirror.

You failed miserably the first find fault with Paul's teachings. Yoo would too with the second, third, fourth uop to the tenth
If others turn whatever Paul wrote on its head, what part of it isnt Paul's fault., dont you understand?

luvmijeje:
I watched it and it's the absolute truth. You know I went to the cross over service 2 days ago. For the first time in a year I stepped into the church. The name of the church is Holy Ghost Christian Center. The pastor's name is Amos Fenwa.

Do you know that I didn't wait till 12pm before leaving because of an event that took place.

The Pastor climb the pulpit around 11pm. He said he has a revelation that a member of his church hit someone with a car. So everyone who had a car should come out to the altar. While those who don't sat down. I jejely picked my purse from the chair and went home. Some will not see anything wrong in this but I'll list 5 things that's wrong.

1. The church is now divided into the have and have not.

2. What makes him think those that have car now will still have it before the revelation takes place?

3. What makes him think those that don't have car now will not have it before the revelation takes place.

4. What makes him think that the accident will be cause by a car owner and not by a car or a bus borrower.

5. I was humiliated out of the church because I have no car. A place where I should be see with less judgement has now become a place I'm judge by my level of materiality.

I would have done the same in that or similar circumstances. It is called perfecting the art of psychology and feeding on people's fears, insecurities, being naive and ignorant

luvmijeje:
Knowing that we don't see eyes to eyes on most things, I will still watch it just to prove whether we are finally going to agree on something.

Please feel free to. I promise I won't say, I told you...

HellVictorinho:
The concept of atheism as a religion that is against all religions because it doesn't identify with a god.....REALLY ?

Are you sure that was the only definition stated in that budaatum's dictionary quote he provided?

xpmode:
You should be sincere to yourself and answer if Jesus as a person constitutes the authority that should receive the tithe as stipulated in Torah

If you are not being prevaricating, I wish you be sincere and honest enough to admit that Jesus wasn't a descendant of Aaron neither was He from the tribe of Levi, as in he wasn't a Levite. Also that He was neither an earthly king or earthly priest whilst He was on earth to qualify Him to receive or take tithes in either of those capacity.

xpmode:
Nice one The guy will be posting as if he doesn't think. I sometimes wonder if he was the brain behind Nairaland.

It is very clear you don't understand his question.

Think about, did Jesus demand or receive monetary tithes for His ministry, is different to, did Judas receive, on behalf of Jesus, money?

HellVictorinho:
It's crappy

What is crappy please, I am not following what you meant when you said: it's crappy

Image123:
Happy new year to you and the entire family too. Don't put my name next to frosb, i don't intend to be infected with his kind of problem.

Done deal!

For the attention of all reading, please dont mention me nor anyone or quote from me or anyone from my last post above, you will get banned if you fail to notice or try to ignore this stern warning

awesomeJ:
He received and accepted monetary support. Even had a treasurer.

Nobody demands tithe in my church. They just make the call to whoever has chosen to come to church with his. Try go to a real church, you'll find nobody drags you up your seat if you never step out to pay tithe or give offerings. No matter how long you refrain from giving, you'd still be welcome in church

What is the name of this gathering where obligatory ecclesiastical monitised tithe giving is not done and what is the name of the person who shepherds this gathering please?

babeosisi:
So you believe Jesus had a church ?
Read bible una no go read .na so so waka up.and down from crusade to crusade naming and claiming
Waiting for imaginary millions and sowing sterile seeds
Tomorrow now you will ask us the name of the sister that led choruses at the said church

"And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, a small rock and upon the large rock I will build my congregation {Gr. ekklesia – called out ones}, and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against her."
- Matthew 16:18

babeosisi, dont mind CodeTemplar, the lust, unhealty attraction and sense of entitlement to obligatory ecclesiastical monitised tithe giving is so strong that him and other obligatory ecclesiastical monitised tithe-merchants fail to understand that Jesus never had "church" in His lifetime whilst physically being on earth "church". Jesus said on that small rock He'll build His ekklesia, He never said He has built or will build "church" in His lifetime.

CodeTemplar:
So I should start paying tithe of ugwu leaf with 1/10 of my ugwu leaf abi?

Yes you are because that is the constituted law and/or laid down rule

As AwesomeJ said, Jesus received and accepted money towards the support of His ministry but the fact and truth of the money received by Judas on behalf of Jesus were free giving, they are money, not obtained under cajoling, money not obtained by persuading donors to give when they might not want to, money not obtained by issuing unpleasant talks about disaster looming or gloom and doom being ahead for non-tithers, it is not money obtained from specifying a fixed amount like 10% imposition on or donors and everyone

CodeTemplar and alBHAGDADI are unrepetant and unremorseful over the Oyedepo's Winners Chapel and Adeboye's RCCG guerilla tactic attitude towards obtaining obligatory ecclesiastical monitised tithe giving impositions from their fellowships.

Surely, Jesus' words in Matthew 23:23, where He criticized the law tithe-keeping Pharisees, made it very clear that diligent tithing is no guarantee that you are pleasing God, and we all know, that imposed upon obligatory ecclesiastical monitised tithe giving is not a guarantee of financial riches or breakthrough.

Isn't it strange that the main point of the talk during the only three times, the words tithe and tithes were mentioned in the New Testament centred on and around the word hypocrisy and how the legalistic Jews who boasted of their tithing achievements.

Jesus actually cursed tithe-payers for their hypocrisy. Jesus said woe unto the tithe-payers for their hypocrisy and downplayed tithes, saying that they are not nearly as important as matters of the heart such as: justice, mercy, faith, and humbleness. Bear in mind, the new covenant has not yet been inaugurated and so He as well as all his hearers are still under the old covenant.

fatytoy333:
The Name ‘Jesus’ Does Not Exist, Daddy Freeze Insists; Gives Reason

Controversial On-Air-Personality and Founder of Free The Sheeple Movement, Daddy Freeze, has this time come for the name of Jesus.

The online preacher had claimed that 99% of what pastors teach is false, saying there is no such thing as ”Jesus.”

He added that the word “Jesus” has no meaning and was invented by manipulators who aligned his birthday with Nimrod’s and the pagan ‘solstice of the sun’.


Following his revelation, the self-acclaimed bible scholar, through his Twitter page, asked to know followers who had started calling “Yahushua”, a name he claims is the original name.

He wrote: “Start this year meditating on the one true name, of the one true son, of the one true God. The Lord of heavens armies! If you have started calling his true name can I see those hands.”

Displeased by his new campaign against the name “Jesus” as accepted by Christians all over the world, a Twitter user questioned the OAP, demanding to know why it was possible for deliverance to happen at the mention of the name.

In his response, Freeze explained that during Jesus’ time on earth, the letter J was not an alphabet, stating that nobody could cast out a demon with a name that never existed.

“The word ‘Jesus’ was invented 400 years ago. In 1611 when king james first translated the Bible, there was no ‘J’ in English and there is no J in Hebrew or Aramaic, the official languages of the Saviour. No one could cast out demons in the Bible with a name that didn’t exist,” he tweeted

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxksjhN1Qv4
So far the name Jesus hasnt got a derogatory connotation or affliation with it, I can live with, by and for the name Jesus

luvmijeje:
Please I've a low battery but promise to watch it as soon as I charged.

Dantedasz:
No wahala. I am sure you will enjoy it.

luvmijeje, dont bother watching it, as you'll not only be draining your battery all over again but on top, this time you'll be wasting it over watching a 5-sec clip of an abject hireling and his partner in crime, who goes by the name Creflo Dollar.

It is a very old Youtube video clip that featured here on the Religion forum more than once many years ago.

bloodofthelamb:
Even only the three men so him transfigure. I mean Peter, James and John. They where the pillars of the blood bought flocks of Christ.

Jesus had a caucus, and had an inner caucus. Peter, James and John were members of the inner caucus.

We are all equal before God, the same way husband and wife are equal before Him, the same way the human body's parts equal each other
but then the husband is the head, in a similar way, the topmost part of the human body is head, somebody has to take the lead, isnt it.
The whole human body moves forward but it is the foot who takes the first step forward then the whole human body follows, so what's giving luvmijeje headches God's beautiful arrangement.

It was Paul who advised: "Place yourselves under each other's authority out of respect for Christ"
with Peter complimenting with: "Don't be bossy to those people who are in your care, but set an example for them."
Now I dont know why luvmijeje is blaming Paul as being responsible for the sins done and still being done by others

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luvmijeje, look at you, you're jittery and you're asking me to relax.
Look at the above screenshot grab. It is pathetic. You've lost the plot, you made a right dog's dinner mess of a reply
You that cant hold it together, look at how you responded to my post, all because you were shaking.

You are fulfilling your purpose, the same way Pharaoh fulfilled his purpose, and that's why you're bent on your course to hardened your heart.
Repent, repent, repent before it turns late because destruction lays ahead just like happened with Pharaoh & his Egyptian followers

I wont say more than that because death and life are in the power of the tongue.

Michellekabod1:
Narrating my experience, i guess i have freedom to do so

I was just curious, as to why you give this narration. Of course, you, we, all have liberty.

I am just beginning to see the narration serving as a form of therapy, reliving it here , especially the unpleasant parts, can only make you feel better, grow stronger etcetera. Afterall, I've heard it said that, what doesnt kill you, makes you stronger.

luvmijeje:
I still have 9 more revelations to go. So get ready to collapse. Get ready to faint. Get ready to call me names.

I've already stated that I'm not a religious person. I've never hide that fact.

But despite not being religious again, my first step to where I am today was shaped by religion.

"Ile ni apoti nti joko de idi" loosely translated means "The sitting stool doesnt stress itself, it just waits carefree, at home, for the bumbum to return back for a sit"

If I ask you now to explain what true and pure religion that's faultless is, you'll be chopping teeth.

Michellekabod1:
As a futminnite i was priviledged unfortunate to have those set of disturbed fellows as roommates and attend their programmes.
I had three roommates,two of which were general excos (mamas). I have never faced so much persecution in my entire life than i did with those fellows. I was bruised,verbally assaulted and castigated by them. The number of times i prayed and went to church was counted and i was condemned as someone with a terrible character for not being a fanatic like they were. Their venomous tongue made me have a low self image.
They will dictate your life for you and you cant have a say for your life, they always had negative comments for every action of my life. From the using an ox-blood colored lipstick to maroon colored lipstick they will complain. Every word i spewed out will be weighed on their scale to fish out what they didnt go down well with them and then insults will follow.
They set up an adhoc community amongst themselves to assess and give verdict on people's life.
That is all about dealing with them outside the church premises.

Within the church premises i observed the following about them
1. I have never being more entertained in my entire life as i was watching the public stunts displayed by them in their school of destiny prayer session. Damn! Those people have no value for their health as they wriggled their bodies worse than lunatic. I didnt get much from the prayer session as it was just an hour of non-stop speaking in tongues not english.
2. They had no befitting venue for their services and meetings so they used the church building of another church for their services,prayer meetings and bible studies. Their arrogance led them to be ousted out of the church building until other fellowships pleaded on their behalf (they were to haughty to plead for themselves but rather complained bitterly).
3. Night vigils were compulsory if you were in a department in the church else you'd be punished by your head of department. My roommate skipped a night vigil due to the distance of the the venue (off campus)and she had a test the next morning. She received several calls from the papas and mamas of scolding. They claimed that they themselves went for night vigils that ended 4am in the morning when the had exams 8am that same morning.
4. You will punished by your head of department for coming late to meetings. You'll have to fill a twenty leaves exercise book with the words "i will not come late to church"
5. Although i am not 100% certain of the authencity of this report, i have heard many males and females of the fellowship claim they were told to register their boyfriends and girlfriends with the fellowship else you are commiting a sin (didnt have a boyfriend so i never experienced it). They claimed they were interrogated by their excos concerning the nature of their relationships. If kissing was involved,they called their partners on their behalf and broke up the relationship.

I am sorry to read you formerly willingly or inadvertently associated with a cult, so what's this post about or where are you going with it?

vaxx:
why, You don't like isiewu?

Nah! Cow foot/leg, instead of goat head, it is for me.