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Michellekabod1:
That shows your level of progress in life...thought I would find one or two sane theists on NL...but no, I you are fool..

Until you finally come to your senses, you will never find half, talkless find one or two sane theists on NL
Casting aspersions on others and calling them fools, is what you're best at doing. It takes a fool to think shes recognised her kind

Michellekabod1:
Don't ever quote me in God forsaking life

Good riddance to bad rubbish

Michellekabod1:
Am done with you

Good riddance.

frosbel2:
I suspect you failed to comprehend the article, go and read again , this time remove your parochial glasses.

You are always quick to be on the defensive.
Isnt what OceanmorganTrix said true?
That the typical African woman's word to a man (friend/boyfriend/husband) is: I am your responsibility?
You've got blinkers on, it's time you remove it

Dont mind him OceanmorganTrix, look at him playing the role of English teacher

Michellekabod1:
I don't see this argument going anyway ...you made the statement that implied that the Bible is inerrant while I was using my previous account is that hard to comprehend? You nag a lot;as a man, marrying a woman like you will be suicide

You see what the problems are:
1/ You can't own up to your mistake.
2/ You like apportioning blame to others except yourself.
3/ You'll lie to wriggle out of when cornered and/or when caught with hand in the cookie jar.
4/ You are an attention seeker and easily turn irritable when this isn't forthcoming.
5/ You feel, basing it on conjecture, it is OK to fabricate comments that misrepresents other people's position.

Have you read from my posts, where I have explicitly said the bible is inerrant? No! but you still think it is OK to leave that comment posted with your current moniker even after I've challenged and queried you over it. Please dont smile or laugh, it isnt funny.

Michellekabod1:
Gosh...am getting irritated. It was in my deactivated account that i claimed you said so not my current one...

[img]https://s2/images/deny.jpg[/img]
How do you think I am feeling.

You claim it was done with a deactivated account, meanwhile that's evidence in the above screenshot that you made that comment with your current moniker, just 3 days ago this brand 2019 New Year

Michellekabod1:
It was my former account that i deactivated....bury the hatchet!

https://www.nairaland.com/4938787/how-teaching-paul-differs-teaching#74425064

SMH. It is by Michellekabod1(f): 9:35pm On Jan 03. I guess you're to big to lose face and so won't admit your guilt

Michellekabod1:
Ok, I meant to type mutleylaff not muttleylaff

Nope, you posted:
"i dont buy muttleylaff idea of your fairytale book being inerrant, i find this allegation baseless""

So, when and where did I say the bible is inerrant?

Michellekabod1:
I guess responding to the false accusation by luvmijeje is more urgent than responding to mine

If it was, I wouldnt have responded to yours first. luvmijeje's slander on Paul is DOA, and so doesnt merit urgency

I dont know what made you make this "i dont buy muttleylaff idea of your fairytale book being inerrant, i find this allegation baseless" though. You have mistaken me for another moniker. Unless you have evidence of me making that remark, I think you need to retract attributing that remark to me. I dont need an apology for the mix up.

Michellekabod1:
Okay. Are all doctrines from the word of God?

No, not all doctrines are from the word of God. The bible calls such that are not from the word of God, empty philosophies and high-sounding nonsense, empty deceit, that they are according to the tradition of men, according to the principles of the world and not according to Christ.

alBHAGDADI:
Any doctrine that doesn't go in line with the word of God is not a doctrine of God.
Example is the anti-tithe or anti-firstfruit doctrine. All those who hold the doctrine can't show where God said he has stop being interested in it. But I can show you where God started receiving it before the law of Moses. This shows that the doctrine is the word of God. And as long as he hasn't said he is no longer interested in it, then no man has the right to say such for him. The doctrine holds. Or do you want to speak when God hasn't spoken?

Lamentations 3:37
Who is he that saith, and it cometh to pass, when the Lord commandeth it not?

Any doctrine that doesn't go in line with the word of God, like imposed or obligatory ecclesiastical monitised tithe giving is not a doctrine of God.

We know Abram never tithed from his income or personal wealth, instead he tithed on plunder. Abram tithed on valuables, goods etcetera he SEIZED BY FORCE and from returning from the killing of the 4 Mesopotamian kings
So Abram's tithe, we know. The Israelites tithing, we know, but now which is yours alBHAGDADI?
What type of tithe is yours then alBHAGDADI?
Is your tithe, the obligatory practice kind or is your tithe, the commanded practice kind?
Is it the Abram's tithe format you practise or is it the Israelites tithing format you practise alBHAGDADI?
Which is it?

Michellekabod1:
Damn...am speechless

I know, alBHAGDADI could knock anybody over with a feather. alBHAGDADI is so wrapped up in his false bullshits hes become also so skillful in it with prooftexting

OkCornel:
Even those in support of tithing cannot show us where God demanded for money as tithes and firstfruits...

It is because it is all lies

Anas09:
Wow. You were mean in the time of Moses some people were bankers and businessmen who earn salaries instead farm produce?

You should know better not to make this kind of remark. Do you know that Zacchaeus, the tax collector never paid or gave tithe, talkess give or pay monitised tithes?

Anas09:
Just say it. God's ordinances are obsolete. Say it and rest.

The truth is bitter to swallow in the beginning, but ends up sweet in the end, whereas, lies are sweet in the beginning to swallow but when exposed, bitter in the end

I am glad some tithe-merchants know and admit that there's nothing like monetary tithe or monitised tithe as such in the Bible
What is close to monetary tithe or momitised tithe in the bible, is where an Israelite pays tithe on sales, after buying back the tithe, (i.e. buying back the tenth cow, lamb or cultivated crops) however, the Israelite pays the going rate or value of the bought back the tenth cow, lamb or cultivated crops tithe, plus 20 percent on top for this privilege

Now that is to hand-pick for tithe, the tenth livestock (e.g. cows, lambs) that passes under the rod. Meanwhile, if you started with 1 livestock (e.g. 1 cow or 1 lamb) and at the end of year, bred and raised 9 cows or just 9 lambs, then that means you dont pay tithe for that year

Abraham gave tithe of ALL, where ALL means ''Abraham gave a tenth of all he had captured in battle and gave it to Melchizedek aka priest

Conventional wisdom accepts that the common denominator in all biblical tithe giving (e.g. Abraham's tithe and the Israelites tithing) is a earthly king, earthly priest or Levite physically receiving the tithe so the implication of the above observation, is that a pastor, a prophet, an apostle or a preacher are neither a priest or Levite, and hence none of them should have any business receiving tithe nor have any jurisdiction over tithe and to make matters worse imposed or obligatory ecclesiastical monitised tithe giving is an aberration from the doctrine of grace, liberty and the law of the Spirit

Abram's tithing in Genesis 14:20 wasnt credited to him as righteousness, like as what happened in Genesis 15:6.
Abram's tithing in Genesis 14:20 didn't get him a name transformation from Abram to Abraham, like as what occurred in Genesis 17:5. Bet you're getting the drift, and getting to know, tithing was/is replaced with something new

For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death
- Romans 8:2 KJV

All laws, effectively, are eternal principles
The law of gravity is an eternal principle, just as the law of aerodynamics too, is an eternal principle
The law of sin (e.g. tithing) is an eternal principle, just as the law of the spirit (e.g. under no compulsion, cheerful giving) too is an eternal principle

Now, you render one law redundant (e.g. the law of sin; tithing)
by the operation of a superior law (e.g. law of the spirit; under no compulsion, cheerful giving)

Besides the above, why do you think God laid claim to tithe from the ISRAELITES,
demanding that the tithe of everything from the land,
whether grain from the soil or fruit from the trees, belongs to Him, is His right and is His due?
What's your verse apart from Leviticus 27:30, proves that God can lay claim and assert rights to tithe on the land of ISRAEL?

Cash (i.e. money) was ONLY given as a form of penalty when redeeming any of the tithe

And we all know what REDEEM means. Right?
REDEEM means to buy back the tithe, as in, to pay the market or going price of the tithe of the cow or agricultural produce
Only that you dont just pay the price of the tithe, you'll also have to add 20% to the price value of the tithe

…²⁴"If the distance is so great for you that you are not able to bring the tithe,
since the place where the LORD your God chooses to set His name is too far away from you when the LORD your God blesses you,
²⁵then you shall exchange it for money, and bind the money in your hand and go to the place which the LORD your God chooses.
²⁶"You may spend the money for whatever your heart desires:
for oxen, or sheep, or wine, or strong drink, or whatever your heart desires;
and there you shall eat in the presence of the LORD your God and rejoice, you and your household.…
- Deuteronomy 14:24-26

³⁰“One tenth of the produce of the land, whether grain from the fields or fruit from the trees, belongs to the Lord and must be set apart to him as holy.
³¹If you want to redeem buy back the Lord’s tenth of the grain or fruit, you must pay its value, plus 20 percent.
³²Count off every tenth animal from your herds and flocks and set them apart for the Lord as holy
- Leviticus 27:30-32

With the tithe commanded by God and demanded from the ISRAELITE, money comes into the equation ONLY on 2 occasions or for 2 reasons only (i.e. a Deuteronomy 14:24-26 reason or a Leviticus 27:30-32 reason)

If an ISRAELITE wanted to keep his tithe of cows worth N1,000, he could buy them back by paying the cash value of the tithe and with a surcharge
In this case pay N1,000+N200, where N200 is from 20% of N1000 and is the surcharge, that is the penalty for not wanting to hand over the original tithe

God never was into money, cash or monitised tithe, tithes were paid in agricultural produce (e.g. farming, cultivating soil, producing crops and raising livestock), besides, the laws of tithing only applied to the land of Israel, and farmers in the Diaspora have no obligation to give tithes...

Now the ISRAELITE that paid tithe, in cash or money, would have had to pay on top of the tithe value, also a 20% surcharge penalty for this liberty

Every tithe of the herd and flock
--every tenth animal that passes under the shepherd's rod--will be holy to the LORD.
- Leviticus 27:32

Leviticus 27:32 above, that's the instruction on tithes. Remember, if you started with 1 livestock (e.g. 1 cow or 1 lamb) and at the end of year, bred and raised 9 cows or just 9 lambs, then that means you as an Israelite dont pay tithe for that year, essentially there are times you dont even pay or give tithes.
CodeTemplar, xpmode

Ranchhoddas:
[s]I've never seen anyone as adept in turning the Bible on its head as Muttleylaff.[/s]

Suddenly a mustard seed is hyperbole. How on earth can that be.
What Jesus was saying was that you can achieve great things little faith.

Any other explanation is just...

I am beginning to be on the verge of nursing the thought of you not anymore being worthy to respond to Ranchhoddas.

Have you ever seen or heard anyone physically and/or directly move a mountain from here to there Ranchhoddas?
Of course, because of a faith as small the size of mustard seed, the Wright Brothers persisted in their little faith, now because of that we now defy the law of gravity and enjoy being thousand miles in the air, without risk of plummeting to down to earth and our death. It is because someone's faith that started as small as a mustard seed size and the invention that came out of that faith, made it possible to move a mountain from here to there with invented massive earthmoving machines or explosives.

Now tell me Ranchhoddas, if I say, I am so hungry, I can eat a whole horse. Is that a fact and truth, or is it a hyperbole and exaggeration?
Would you also say, where Jesus recommended cutting off one's hand to prevent sinning is not a hyperbole?

Did you not read where and when I said, "... used extreme exaggeration to make a point and show emphasis". Emphasis on what? Faith!

You're beginning to fall from my hand. Ranchhoddas, I've asked you to go list everywhere in the bible where abomination is mentioned and what it is mentioned with (e.g. abomination verse Leviticus 11:12 mentioned with or about catfish, lobsters, shrimps, crab etctera) but what have you done except other than procrastination.

I am OK with enemies slapping me in the front & on my face, but hey dear friend Ranchhoddas, here's your knife back, pulled it out of my back

Michellekabod1:
Gosh...i,a former christian refute your allegations as purely baseless. Why i have no knowledge of the exact books and their versus i will call this a cesspool.
When i saw the "revelations" in your post, i assumed it will be something better off than analysing with your carnal mind...i was wrong.
Mathew 28:18
Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.
19 Therefore go and make disciples of ALL NATIONS baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”
albeit i dont buy muttleylaff idea of your fairytale book being inerrant, i find this allegation baseless

MuttleyLaff:
I will go as far with you and stretch my neck
that it is therefore fair comment that all translations available today or before, whether OT or NT are not inspired
and therefore as have always being pointed out, now and then, here and there, arent and/or cant have the claim of being inerrant

I havent had time to address this other bale of false bullshit luvmijeje keeps shoving and ramming down people's throat but will soon. I just only wanted to bring the above quote of mine to Michellekabod1 attention, as I dont know how, where and when Michellekabod1 read me commenting that the bible is inerrant. I'll be back to respond to this another false accusation of Paul by luvmijeje

Michellekabod1:
Happy sunday

Happy reading(s)

alBHAGDADI:
Why are you bothered about what I chose to do?

I am not at all bothered about what you chose or chose not to do. It doesnt disturb me.
However I disapprove of your false bullshits you masquerade as Gospel, yes, I will defend to the death your right, to say each and everyone of your false bullshits, but I would not take it light, you sucking up to obtaining a leg up, for shoving and ramming the false bullshits down everyone's throats

alBHAGDADI:
Are you an antagonist of the Gospel?

My antecedent doesnt show me to be an antagonist of the Good News but yours is at variance with the core and liberating messages of the Good News

alBHAGDADI:
Yes, as long as it helps me spread the truth, Amen.

Yes, to you sucking up for front page? Stop the shenanigans, nonsense and gimmick already. It's a complete turn off.

If your false bullshits, that you masquerade as truth, is worthy enough, it will find itself on front page by its own merit and without begging to be given a leg up.
God forbid your false bullshit(s) make front page

alBHAGDADI:
lalasticlala

You're not a Christian militant, Apologist, Writer, Polemicist to Islam, Crusader only, you hereby are now a confirmed front page junkie

Michellekabod1:
Sexual Assault
That is a part of my life i dodge, it still haunts me. The wound very much fresh.
Guess what? It was a born again married boss! We said prayers every morning at work and fasted once a week (all directed by him)...
I had to take to my heels despite the pay was mouth watery.

"I dont see a lesbian, I see a strong woman.
I see a "woman, where are those thine accusers? Has no one condemned you?" woman"
- by MuttleyLaff: 10:22am On Dec 29, 2018

I am not trying to make light of the ordeal or commonize it nor being insensitive to the pain and wound that's still very much fresh but honestly, c'est la vie. It is sad, we don't all take personal responsibility for ourselves and it is doubly sad when we are taken advantage of

Sexual assault, as we all know it, is unwanted and unlawful sexual intercourse period. In the case of adults, it is any sexual contact with someone, when a person, male or female, touches another person sexually without their consent, and touching can be done with any part of the body or with an object. It essentially is, when a person is coerced or physically forced to engage in sex against their will. I remember on Dec 29, 2018, as clear as day, saying, I see you as a strong woman that you are and that's was from knowing that you are a beautiful, fearless, feisty, tough and strong survivor.

"Listen! I am sending you out just like sheep to a pack of wolves.
You must be as cautious as snakes and as gentle as doves."
- Matthew 10:16

Most people, really aren't who they say they are and that's why I wish people look like their true personalities because, take for example, the "born again married boss" that is a wolf among sheep. He didn't appear as a wolf in wolf's clothing but came as a wolf in sheep's clothing. Now blaming the wolf isnt going to help the sheep much. The sheep taking cognizance of Matthew 10:16 above, must learn not to fall into the clutches of the wolf

Michellekabod1:
But the question has not left me; WHY ME?

"Every test that you have experienced is the kind that normally comes to people.
But God keeps his promise, and He will not allow you to be tested beyond your power to remain firm;
at the time you are put to the test, He will give you the strength to endure it, and so provide you with a way out."
- 1 Corinthians 10:13

Is this a rhetorical question?

If we are to ask, "why me?" about bad things, then we equally, should also ask, "why me?" about the good things that's happened over, in our lives, so if to counter "WHY ME?" with WHY NOT YOU?, then obviously, it's purely because as in 1 Corinthians 10:13 above, you could handle it.

Ranchhoddas:
You have not cleared anything so far.
Hit the nail on the head.
How is an "abomination" suddenly acceptable?

Good question. You tell me. This is beginning to sound so funny this your question.

This is not going to be a one-sided discussion Ranchhoddas. Oh no, it isn't. You too have your part to play too. Here is what it is, scour the Bible for all mentions of "'abomination" please ready for me. Paste your findings for all to see and read.

There is a lot of foundation to lay and a lot of ground to backfill, so you bringing up that list, will be very helpful, aside cutting my work up, it at least, will get you familiar with the refresher of getting used to the manu use of the word abomination, as regards in the bible

Ranchhoddas:
Wayo wan start be that.

I am waiting. I am not sure what Indian trannys have to do with anything.

You're talking as if it is ordinarily about being just a common tranny full stop.

Are you aware Romans 1:18-32, especially verses 24, 26 & 27, is a rehash of Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13, where at, Paul, is echoing what happened around when Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13 was issued is prevailing again in his time. India is the last bastion of where that practice practised by the Canaanites in Leviticus times and by the heathen gentiles in Paul's time is still done. I have extra biblical records and museum artifacts corroborating this, even the Bible when read in its original textual form before its numerous translations confirms this too.

God is saying, you are not subjecting in these acts on My behalf, I do not approve of these acts, you can't obtain favour, blessing or anything good from Me for indulging in this acts because I find it repulsive. It is not fair, not right, it is an abomination.

Ranchhoddas:
Muttleylaff na so you just allow this "abomination" matter end abi?

Watch this space Ranchhoddas. You will need a stool to sit down on first though before you start to read the low-down on "abomination" when I do to mention your moniker about it.

There are many abominations mentioned in the bible, some God tells who should find what abominable, some are to be abomination for humans, and He states them or what is abomination to humans and some are abomination to God, He expressly states what He detests or what to Him is abomination.

Ranchhoddas, now, this is a taster of part of what to expect from me on the lowdown on abomination, and on what Romans 1:18-32, especially verses 24, 26 & 27, which is a rehash of Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13, where at, Paul, is echoing what happened around when Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13 were given, that is happening again during his lifetime, do a Google search on the word "jogappas" whilst you await me.

Peacefullove:
Nobody ask you if Sheol is hades or if it has three compartment or four, Why are those in the sea NOT in hell ? And you said Hell in that revelation means grave.

The twist of the matter is , that rich man and Lazarus story u alluded to said the rich man was in the same hell ( Hades, Sheol ) , Does that mean the rich man was in Grave ? - your answers to these will expose your earlier postulation

As I earlier wrote grave, tomb, sepulchre sites or even cemetry, in fact, are merely places of deposit for a corpse and so, Sheol, in an oversimplified or elementary manner, can be grave or has been referred as grave. I further said, sheol, as a matter of fact, is the realm of the dead or departed souls, this meas whether one is buried in a grave or die at sea, the soul ends up in sheol. Hell is not really a Jewish concept, it has its origin from Greek mythology. So yes, the rich man and/or those who died at sea at that time are in the Sheol, otherwise in a simplified way also called grave

HellVictorinho:
Life is an expensive joke.

It is costly, not many can afford the price. For many the price is too high, so they compromise, cut corners or sell out

HellVictorinho:
Reality is a bitch and science is a curse.

Reality being a bitch and science being a curse is relative.
Now back to the subject, life. Life is like a dick, sometimes, its up, sometimes its down but one thing is certain, it wont be hard forever

HellVictorinho:
Life is also a movie.
In fact, a journey.
Don't try to lecture me!!!!

Life is a school, a movie, a journey and a whole lot more of other things.
I dont lecture, experience does that, and it does it, in the most unconventional way and manner

Michellekabod1:
Healing
I have battled with a chronic illness since birth that scientifically have no cure.

Intriguingly asked, what chronic illness since birth that scientifically has no cure is this?

Michellekabod1:
I have been prayed for the umpteenth time by men of God, prayer warriors, infact i even had the handkerchief blessed by a VERY POPULAR MAN OF GOD in Nigeria placed on me. My health got no better at all.

Michellekabod1 certain things are usually done in tandem. Also one doesnt go to the baker asking for a block of brick instead of a loaf of bread

Michellekabod1:
Saying i had faith more than a mountain is an understatement, so why wasnt i healed?

https://www.catholicireland.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/mustard-seed.jpg
"You don't have enough faith," Jesus told them.
"I tell you the truth, if you had faith even as small as a mustard seed,
you could say to this mountain, 'Move from here to there,' and it would move.
Nothing would be impossible."
- Matthew 17:20

It isnt "...faith more than a mountain..." but correctly, it is faith the size of a mustard seed.

Have you ever at all, seen a mustard seed before? There above is a picture of one and the correct reading is "... if you have faith the size of a mustard seed, you can say to this mountain, "Move from here to there," and it will move..." Now, are you familiar with hyperbole(s) and understand them?. Well Michellekabod1, that statement by Jesus is constructed as a hyperbole, it used extreme exaggeration to make a point and show emphasis. If I say, I am so hungry, I can eat a whole horse. You dont really believe, I can eat a whole horse, do you but you do get from statement, my point of how ravenously hungry I am

"¹⁸Then Jesus asked, “What is the kingdom of God like? To what can I compare it?
¹⁹It is like a mustard seed that a man tossed into his garden.
It grew and became a tree, and the birds of the air nested in its branches.”…"
- Luke 13:18-19

"³⁰Jesus said, "How can I describe the Kingdom of God? What story should I use to illustrate it?
³¹It is like a mustard seed planted in the ground. It is the smallest of all seeds,
³²but it becomes the largest of all garden plants; it grows long branches, and birds can make nests in its shade.""
- Mark 4:30-32

“³¹The kingdom of heaven is like a mustard seed that a man planted in his field.
³²Although it is the smallest of all seeds, yet it grows into the largest of garden plants
and becomes a tree, so that the birds of the air come and nest in its branches.”
- Matthew 13:31-32

Jesus, also used mustard seeds as a hyperbole elsewhere, and that's in a parable. Luke 13:18-19, Mark 4:30-32 and Matthew 13:31-32, above, is where and how He used mustard seeds in a parable. Now, there's that certain knowledgeability by Mark, who knows, birds cant possibly build nests on mustard plant branches but do nest in its shade, however the extreme exaggeration in Luke 13:18-19 and Matthew 13:31-32 were not only used to make a point but also were used, to accentuate the point, that faith is powerful and faith grows from small beginnings to beyond the realm of reason unimaginable great happenings.

Who says you wasnt and/or havent being healed? Who says your healing hasnt been sanctioned?
Michellekabod1, it is with a heavy heart I am reading and responding to your post. I see a lot of familiarity of the knowledge of the bible in your comments and worrisomely see your vast swathes of lack of understanding the information in and/or knowledge of the bible.

Michellekabod1, do you know the potential of an acorn oaknut seed?
In that acorn oaknut seed, are furnitures for a home, like beds to sleep in, chairs or settees to sit and relax in, dinning tables to eat on, is the scaffolding planks for building a home, is a tree that birds will build nests in, is wood to make coffins with, you get the drift as the list goes on

Everything needed on earth is in a seed. Keep this in mind, because I am going to refer back to it and talk more about it, when responding to you next and immediately below

Michellekabod1:
My health hindered me from studying medicine abroad when I secured two admissions to study in Europe.
Also, I realised I never knew anybody personally that got healed of any ailment. Nah! It nevers exceeds the television. I have known people with ailments that are christians and born agains despite a devotion to God. I often wondered why what I saw in the TV never occurred to those I knew personally

How and in what circumstances, did your health hinder you from studying abroad, when as you stated, you secured two admissions to study in Europe?

Aside you wondering, why what you saw on TV never occurred to those you know personally, have you also ever considered that, you might be the cause behind that, that it is you, withholding that healing?
Do you know what you would have learnt, if you had gone on that course, to study medicine?

Remember you secured two admissions to study medicine, two admissions to study in Europe?. Do you know the symbolic meaning of that number two in the context of your narrative? The two "admissions to study in Europe", the repetition is a guidance, advice or information aimed at telling you, to pay attention. That is why it is repeated twice. The repetition was encouraging you to build on faith and trust wholeheartedly in a latent supernatural ability you already have and residing in you, as a seed, that requires growing from and by going to medical school. Somehow you didnt figure this out, so did not follow on and follow through on it, now the miracle and healing is still inside that "seed". Its possibly you, from not going on to study medicine after securing two admissions in Europe, that's kept and still is keeping the world waiting on and waiting for this miracle and healing to happen.

The world has rules it obeys and abides by, and so everything happens within the rules, even miracles that Ranchhoddas is fascinated over it too is no exception, as it as well, happens within the rules. Checkmark that rules are obeyed and abide by, then Walla! Miracle happens

Now, you should appreciate and be getting to understand the reason why Jesus often uses hyperboles and especially with faith inconjunction with the mustard seed. My intention is not to set you off on a guilt trip, so I apologise in advance, if I have come across, being hard on you, direct, honest and brutal with the truth to you, especially moreso in what can be construed to be, revealing unpalatable facts to you.

HellVictorinho:
Really?
Go back to school!!!!

If you dont know yet that life is a school, then I forgive you for your ignorance

budaatum:
As I said after reading what you wrote, twice, as MuttleyLaff would advise, do you know it is a possibility that you talk from you behind? I have no evidence, but a very strong possibility self.

That is billyonaire for you budaatum, he talks like he's just pulled out of his rear back. You dont need evidence, your hunch is as good as gold

I first, didnt want to take kins25 serious, when he requested "Could you please educate me on the context the above verses portray. I await your response..." but after reading his subsequent comment, I've made up my mind to mention him when I do get to reply to solite3, frosbel2 and HellVictorinho abysmal, bigoted and homophobia responses to the questions I put to them

CodeTemplar:
I already answered that question. Tithe was one of Gods many idea amongst other ideas and Jesus only amended the ones that needed amendment or corrected them appropriately.

In Mathew 23:23 Jesus only made tithe a less weightier matter of all four matters on that list but he never stopped it as your are trying to subtly insinuate here.
In your JSS or primary school I am sure you were introduced to something called "scale of preference". It simple means in a list of things needed some thing are more important than others and so get higher priority. That makes the answer to Seuns question an "implicit YES" because the will of the father is the pleasure of the son - Jesus. Stop feigning illiteracy in your bid to win argument sir.

You are insulting Seun's intelligence and everyone else who have fingers in their mouths, nail biting waiting with breathe abated to see you answer that question without continually ducking and diving away from it.

If Seun wanted an implicit "Yes" he would have stated that but unfortunately for you, he didn't and never expected an implicit answer from you.

I don't understand why you are bent on complicating answering a simple and straightforward answer. You should ashamed for stooping so low to try and play the "... bid to win an argument sir" card. That was pathetic attitude to the discussion I am having with you.

Bunch of tithe merchants, out of their depths, ignorantly responding to posts on this thread. SMH

alBHAGDADI:
You are still not making any sense, even your link doesn't correlate with your thoughts. If God ordered those things to be destroyed as you claim, due to being received by Good News translation, how come Joshua 6:19 said those things should be kept in the Lord's Treasury because they are his?

Man, stop confusing yourself.

You can dance away from understanding the truth of Joshua 7:11 as much as you like. You can also continue to be proof texting too but it truly won't serve you no good.

What does "cherem" in Joshua 7:11 originally means please alBHAGDADI?

You can't and dont see "qodesh" in Joshua 7:11 so you have to go looking for it by proof texting with Joshua 6:19, this shows how desperate you are

CodeTemplar:
So if according to you Jesus was addressing the Pharisees alone and not his followers it means only the Pharisee are suppose to be paying tithes right?

If he didn't demand it then what was Judas keeping in his treasury ? or are you suggesting they were all voluntary gifts to Jesus?

Please stop misyarning.

If only you just can directly answer Seun's without continually avoiding to give a Yes or No that Jesus demanded monetary tithes from His followers when He was still alive on earth

So here is another opportunity for you to redeem yourself: Do you believe that Jesus demanded monetary tithes from His followers

xpmode:
Here we go straight and unbiased answer

I wish you be sincere and honest enough to admit that Jesus wasn't a descendant of Aaron neither was He from the tribe of Levi, as in he wasn't a Levite. Also that He was neither an earthly king or earthly priest whilst He was on earth to qualify Him to receive or take tithes in either of those capacity.

Now answer my own qustion
Q1: If Jesus would demand for any form of tithe, on what ground would he claim without contradicting Matt 5:17?
Q2: If Jesus need tithe What stop him from asking (in view of John 6:9-11)?

I will not hesitate to answer your very simple question, if only you just can directly answer Seun's without continually avoiding to give a Yes or No that Jesus demanded monetary tithes from His followers when He was still alive on earth

So here is another opportunity for you to redeem yourself: Do you believe that Jesus demanded monetary tithes from His followers when He was still alive?