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blueAgent:
No one is stopping you from talking.

enilove:
Freeze and his agents of darkness at work.
Why would Jesus collect tithes and offerings?
Was Jesus the high priest?

enilove:
How come this freezer man has not read his bible to where Jesus consented to tithings?

enilove:
The answer is simple, freezer or fridge is not a christian but an agent of darkness.

enilove:
I wonder why his target is towards tithes and firstfruits.

enilove:
Why has he not for once spoken against the Book Haram and the Fulani killings at all?

enilove:
Judgement is in the hand of God

enilove:
He should face his job and stop paying his own tithe.

enilove:
Was Abraham a Levite?

enilove:
Tithing was not deliberated on in the new testament because there was no objections to tithing among the disciples .
If there was no need for tithing , the apostles would have written concerning that in form of instructions or in one way or the order.
That is why churches for the past 2000 years had been collecting tithes and it is not now, after 2000 years, that someone would start questioning it.

blueAgent:
Abeg go and sit down you have no answers to give.

brocab:
Remember forgive and forget
-Sorry I have wiped my feet and moved on!

brocab:
Firstly you don't know my Country
-you wouldn't have a clue-different lingo's have different meanings-everybody knows that,
all I tried to do is explain the situation, so this argument is my argument now?

brocab:
you came against me-Wow
-it was you swearing at me

brocab:
and carrying on over your dear friend
-and now you refused to be part of it, you attack me, and started mouthing off,
I didn't come at you using bad language, you used bad lingo to try to frighten me off
-threatening me that I am not welcomed and no-one likes me!

brocab:
{Brocab it's often wise to say nothing, than posting remarks that betray a lack of sensitivity when interacting with others}
Had you learnt anything from your statement above
-I wanted to lay things down between us
-I tried to be nice about it, I tried to explain myself hoping you would understand
-but obviously you have no intentions to even try
-you can't see it
-obviously it's always the case the blame game against Brocab strikes again?

brocab:
I am not after your sympathy
-I was asking lets forgive and forget move on to our next chapter
-I was hoping God had laid it upon your heart, like He had laid it upon my heart to forgive and move on..

brocab:
Well obviously that didn't work!
Am I the only one with faults
-is there any room left in you to forgive without any last words so we can finally let things lie,
or is there more unsatisfied lingo to be said: before this matter is closed
-is there anybody out there-you need forgiveness and to forgive also?

blueAgent:
Hypocrite you only refer to the scripture when you want to hide your lies but will not accept any bible verse that contradicts your false Church doctrine.

Let me ask you if Jesus was God the father and son at the same time then who did Jesus tell his disciples sent him to Earth?
who did Jesus say his will be done shortly before he was to die, he prayed that this cup should pass over him.just before Jesus was arrested.

In the garden Jesus prayed to his Father three times, saying,
“My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me. Yet not as I will, but as you will”
—the KJV says, “Let this cup pass from me” (Matthew 26:39).

A little later, Jesus prays,
“My Father, if it is not possible for this cup to be taken away unless I drink it, may your will be done” (Matthew 26:42).

Thirdly if Jesus is the same person acting as God the father than who was sitting next to God in Heaven?

Ephesians 1:20
that he worked in Christ when he raised him from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly places,

UbiPetrus:
What is this clown blabbing about? Who says Jesus is the father?
Is that what your understanding of the Trinity is? And you even had to call me a hypocrite?
I knew it from day one that you're very confused.

blueAgent:
You craftily dodged my questions, why not give me the answers if you know them.

solite3:
To be born of water means the sanctification that takes place through regeneration

Titus 3:5
Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

Ephesians 5:26
That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,

this water means the sanctifying effect of the word of God.

also see,

Ezekiel 16:9
Then washed I thee with water; yea, I throughly washed away thy blood from thee, and I anointed thee with oil.

John 13:10
Jesus saith to him, He that is washed needeth not save to wash his feet, but is clean every whit: and ye are clean, but not all.

1 Corinthians 6:11
And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

so you see these verses are not talking of baptism at all but the washing of regeneration

jiggaz:
Beautiful explanation my bro!! We think alike!!
I am so happy for you bro....
Keep waxing strong in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ!!

MuttleyLaff:
"¹There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews:
²The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God:
for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him.
³Jesus answered and said unto him,
Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
⁴Nicodemus saith unto him,
How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
⁵Jesus answered,
Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
⁶That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
⁷Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again"
- John 3:1-7

A bible useful rule of thumb is that to remember the bible wasnt originally in chapters and verses and so be careful when reading it

I love John chapter 3 a lot and have noticed that John chapter 3 actually, appropriately should have started from John 2:23
but it sad to see, many, be under a delusion or living in a fool's paradise, cavorting with the "born again" cliché

TATIME, most, familiar with driving a car or riding a motor-cycle
know how a car's flat/dead battery is brought back to life
or know how a motor cycle thats being lying sitting for months/years is brought back to life

Now, here's the beginning of the point, many so-called believers, "believers" and/or christians, misunderstand John chapter 3
and as a result, unnecessarily slip into resorting to using a "born again" cliché

I am unable to understand why some and/or others dont ever wonder why Jesus never publicly gave, not even one "born again" teaching
I guess it's because born from above also known as, born again, actually isn't a badge of honour, but is a matter of just fact
It is unneccessary to publicly teach a known fact

TATIME, what was Nicodemus opening remark and what was Jesus' immediate reply back to Nicodemus opening remark?
The arresting point that got Nicodemus captivated
was the mention of regeneration in Jesus' immediate reply to his opening remark.

Jesus said to Nicodemus, it takes one having a spirit renewal or spirit re-birth, to see and recognise the kingdom of God
He said, except born from above, one cant accept the truth of nor admit the existence of the kingdom of God
If one isnt, then such one, will rubbish, ridicule, make fun of, poke fun at, make jokes about, scoff at, be sarcastic about the kingdom of God
Such one not born from above, will take the mickey out of demonstrations & power of the kingdom of God

Notice, it's, born from above, in order to be able to acknowledge the demonstrations & power of the kingdom of God
and its' born of water and born from above, in order to enter into the kingdom of God

TATIME, here is an illustration, to explain "see the kingdom of God" and "enter into the kingdom of God"
When you're on a plane from France to Ghana, with a connecting flight at Amsterdam Airport Schiphol, you see Holland
you dont go outside or beyond Amsterdam Airport Schiphol, you see Amsterdam city and/or Holland from inside Amsterdam Airport Schiphol,
Except you have the correct travelling documents etcetera, you cant go into town, cannot enter into Amsterdam city and/or Holland
you will just see Holland and the city from whilst inside Amsterdam Airport Schiphol (i.e. the main international airport of the Netherlands)

Now lets rewind a bit TATIME
After dark one evening, Nicodemus came to speak with Jesus.
"Rabbi," he said,
"we all know that God has sent you to teach us.
Your miraculous signs are evidence that God is with you."
- John 3:2

Going back to John 3:2,
Nicodemus in John 3:2 managed to have seen somethings, admitted and confirmed the origin of what hes being seeing
but Jesus switched gear on Nicodemus, changed from ''see the Kingdom'' to ''enter the Kingdom'' only when Nicodemus was wrestling with the Born Again enter mother's womb
- it is a fact, it is possible, we can see things of thing without entering the thing

People jumble two separate things together here TATIME.
Just because you cant enter, doesnt mean or imply you can't see

People see America, people watch America
but to enter into America, to set foot on American soil in America, requires certain criteria being met

Two people looking at the same thing at the same time,
both observing the same thing but only one is seeing something,
only one is admitting seeing what's being observed or only one aknowledges what was played out before them both

You see things when the spirit falls or rests on you
You can't see things unless you are born from above (i.e. you are born again)

Please study John 3:1-3 by slowing reading but reading it out loud
Hope you notice how Nicodemus instigated Jesus switching the gear on him.
Jesus in responding to Nicodemus' admitted John 3:2 observances, decides to up the ante
from ''see the Kingdom'' to ''enter into the Kingdom'' after Nicodemus brought in the issue of re-entering a mother's womb

Nicodemus had no problem with Jesus' first reply
This is confirmed if John 3:3, is re-read like this:
You are right Nicodemus, I say to you, EXCEPT a man be born again, he CANNOT "see" the kingdom of God

Jesus knew what Nicodemus was having a problem with
and also knew why Nicodemus asked that question in John 3:4

TATIME, you see, Nicodemus was confused about the entering aspect,
He was thinking, is it going to be his present body or would he have to return into his mother's womb for a re-birth?

TATIME, re-read Jesus' John 3:5 reply to Nicodemus bewilderment, like this:
"You are right Nicodemus,
I say to you, EXCEPT a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he CANNOT "enter" into the kingdom of God"

Nicodemus was like, OK, I've seen the demonstration and power of the Kingdom,
but my question now is, how do I enter the Kingdom. What are the qualifications?
Remember Nicodemus was a Pharisee, and the Pharisees idea of what the Messiah and His Kingdom is or would be is different

Born Again isnt the false doctrine it's being built up to be,
but is a fact, reality and truth that, except one is biologically born of human being (i.e. born of water)
and spiritually born of God (i.e. born again, as in born from above, born of the Spirit) you cannot enter the kingdom

To see the kingdom you need to be born again, as in born from above, born of the Spirit but to enter the kingdom,
unless you are born of water and born again, as in born from above, born of the Spirit, it is not going to happen

If not for Nicodemus, Jesus didnt even have to mention this one event, dead in the night, mention of born of water and born again.
Jesus was even baffled at Nicodemus
He told him off for being a teacher of Israel and not knowing such a basic and obvious thing like this

All's well that ends well, Nicodemus, who came in the middle of the night,
left, being able to draw in the lines
and eventually accept that Jesus is God, from the slight rebuke and dots to join together, Jesus gave him.

Bottom line and to make a short work of this, is that, no one is entering the Kingdom without a glorified body
(i.e. EXCEPT a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he CANNOT "enter" into the kingdom of God)

solite3:
who invented the title mother of God?

at bold no one had a dispute calling Mary mother of God because such title was not known in the churches.

solite3:
no one dispute the fact that Mary is the mother of Christ but NOT the mother of God

solite3:
Mary mother of God is not scriptural, it is an imported pagan practice.

solite3:
Christ himself ask a question to challenge people who equate his earthly sonship to his heavenly sonship.

solite3:
no special attention or veneration was placed on Mary.

solite3:
Mary never referred to herself as mother of God neither did others.

FOWOSHERE01:
In order words, you support Gay relationship?

CAPSLOCKED:
I SUPPORT THE FREEDOM OF PEOPLE TO LIVE COMFORTABLY AND HAPPY.
ESPECIALLY IF THIS COMFORT IS NOT DETRIMENTAL TO ME, THE SOCIETY, AND THE ENVIRONMENT

Glycolysis:
My problem still is under the umbrella you're hiding to misguide & mislead souls .....

MuttleyLaff:
Your problem is you dont have any good reason or valid excuse,
for saying, consenting adults, having a faithful, committed, honest, loving, lasting that's life-long and loyal same-sex relationship
that has no detriment to, no betrayal of, or no cheating on another person, is harmful, as many other harmful human tendencies?

solite3:
you can also say that David is the father of God
Matthew 1:1 The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham.

Matthew 22:42 Saying, What think ye of Christ? whose son is he? They say unto him, The son of David.

Matthew 22:43 He saith unto them, How then doth David in spirit call him Lord, saying,

Matthew 22:45 If David then call him Lord, how is he his son?

Mark 12:35 And Jesus answered and said, while he taught in the temple, How say the scribes that Christ is the son of David?

Mark 12:36 For David himself said by the Holy Ghost, The LORD said to my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool.

Mark 12:37 David therefore himself calleth him Lord; and whence is he then his son? And the common people heard him gladly.

Luke 20:41 And he said unto them, How say they that Christ is David's son?

Luke 20:42 And David himself saith in the book of Psalms, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,

Luke 20:44 David therefore calleth him Lord, how is he then his son?

Romans 1:3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;
I love the bible so much, it always confound the wisdom stupidity of learned men.
1 Corinthians 1:20 Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?

1 Corinthians 1:25 Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.

1 Corinthians 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
the bible reveals that there is something called father in the flesh,
meaning that the fatherhood of David to Jesus has to do with his flesh not his divinity,
hence Jesus asked the people how did the Christ became the son of david?
since David call the Christ Lord, here Jesus was separating his eternal Sonship which from his earthly sonship something you folks term as impossible.

how did Jesus became son of David?
through Mary
how did Jesus become son of God?
he didn't become the son, he was so from everlasting.

Jesus heavenly Sonship is different from his earthly sonship hence the phrase 'son of man' and 'Son of God
hence Mary is the mother of Jesus according to the flesh.

brocab:
The problem we have on this forum, we are only connected through letter-If we could have that chance to meet in person-I am sure none what we say-would be offensive, my English of course is different to your English, we are from different countries-having different lingo's-that have different meanings-my country we talk slang-we like to take the short cuts in our sentencing.
So how I write it, is not always what you see it to be.
I do admit I may come in strong-and it may sound offensive to others,
but the bottom line is we are Christians
-learning from each other-and If any argument isn't going anywhere-
then the next best thing to do as Christians
-learn by our mistakes, forgive and forget, and move on to the next chapter in life.

brocab:
We have a job to do-our job is to bring the gospel to the nations
-our job is to come together in one accord-our job is to believe the Word of God
-we are here to support those who have falling from their first love.

brocab:
I am a non tither-and when someone claims they have worldly riches because they tithe
-as a brother in Christ, as strong as it may sound, I will try to support my brother sister to get them back on course.
Now we all know practicing tithing is unbiblical, Christians from different denominations that practices anything other then the truth
-then my question is-how can we believe they even know God-when they practice another gospel!

brocab:
So everything is forgiven and forgotten?
Allow us the move forward.
And I say to you-Thank you..

Syncan:
Wow! Where have I been.
Took time to read through the whole thread, read through the wheat and weed alike.
If I may ask, Muttleylaff, has this always been your belief on this topic?

brocab:
Well I did read into the mirror and all I could read is your pages
-lets forget the bull-and let us move on
-forgive and forget!

brocab:
In my country it is nearly 3 pm in the afternoon-what time is it in your country-if you don't mind me asking?

brocab:
If we are serious-can we forgive and move on, can I ask
-have you heard of the man who calls himself the Machine gun preacher in Africa,
and if you are African would you know of this man who claims he supports the needy?
Does your Church support His ministry, What I see on youtube-doesn't really fit the missing pieces about why he needs so much money to feel his dream!
Like I realise we all have a calling-and it would be nice to have supporters to help us do our thing-but this sort of money crabbing usually only happens within the Word of Faith movement of prosperity!

brocab:
But you love the argument
-everybody you call your friends on here are not your friends-no one listens to you
-nor do they listen to me-we are hear to write about Christ
-nothing more, we haven't a leg to stand on without Christ, but as a somebody
-I don't recall you backing up your words with bible knowledge,
If you had, then it maybe a hidden agenda, the only thing I have read from you is a dirty mouth, that I do know.
Do yourself a favour-change for God" pray for you and I-repent and ask for your forgiveness, and lets move on..

brocab:
You are still on air
-please leave me alone
-Hypocrite

brocab:
Jesus said: from such withdraw yourselves-you would rather see your brother stand outside his Church looking rich-because he works to pay tithes-If Petro1 was my brother-I would warn him about his unbiblical practices, I would read the bible to him to protect him, but I wouldn't allow myself to see my brother walk on a road that is unbiblical-without trying at least to save him. But he is your brother, without judging, you would rather write something that is unbiblcal just to justify yourself-protecting him and those who hear you.
Are you a homosexual you fantasise over men?

brocab:
Jesus said: from such withdraw yourselves
-you would rather see your brother stand outside his Church looking rich-because he works to pay tithes
-If Petro1 was my brother-I would warn him about his unbiblical practices, I would read the bible to him to protect him,
but I wouldn't allow myself to see my brother walk on a road that is unbiblical
-without trying at least to save him.
But he is your brother, without judging, you would rather write something that is unbiblcal just to justify yourself
-protecting him and those who hear you.
Am I your brother-in what way am I your brother?

brocab:
You speak about Petro1 like he is everything to you
-you are either the same person
-and he is someone you fantasise over more then you do over anybody else.

brocab:
This page is full of unforgiving people, most of them claim to be Christians
-I asked you to forgive me, and still you would rather rave on and on and on-about the words I said:
hypocrite first take the pluck out of your own eye, before you pull the dirt out of your brothers eye.

brocab:
Secondly Christians should be supporting Christians
-not picking sides, with each other
-now I have asked you to prove your facts "is he rich-you haven't done that-because you can't
-you call it a put down against Petro1
-forgiveness is out of your league, so there's no-more I could say about that.

brocab:
So you don't tithe, but you don't inform your brother neither 'petro1 is practicing something unbiblcal
-Jesus said: from such withdraw yourselves
-you would rather see your brother walk down the wrong road
-without judging him you would rather write something that is unbiblcal just to protect yourself-and those who hear you.

brocab:
This isn't about Petro1 this is about you
-what you stand for, your focus is not about just anybody
-but somebody that means so dearly to you,
but hypocritically speaking-you are no different then I-nor the next person-
we all speak up against different religions, some more then others speak up against fellow Christians who are on the same page.
Petro1 is not on the same page-he tithes, and I don't tithe, our bible skills are different
-our beliefs are different, we are both on different levels in Christ-we will both debate scripture
-none of us can worship Mammon and God at the same time!

TATIME:
Please, did Nicodemus ever got born of water and spirit (Born Again)?
Because according to the gospels, Nicodemus remains part of the Sanhendrin (Jewish rulers). John 7:45-52

So all through Jesus' life and ministry, so he remains a disciple (in the secret). John 19:38,39

So he never declared himself publicly as a disciple of Christ( Matthew 10:39)

And it's the baptism by water that FIRST declares you PUBLICLY as an individual who is ready to join Christ's followers,
then it was at Pentecost 33c.e that those Christians were baptized with the spirit!
Unlike Peter who followed Jesus everywhere He goes and Jesus prayed fervently for him not to loose out in the race (Luke 22:31,32)

Nicodemus loved and kept his position amongst the Sanhendrin.
So how or when did he became BORN AGAIN.

TATIME:
1/ Type in here what Nicodemus opening remark was to Jesus
(1) John 3:2 Acknowledging Jesus as a PROPHET from God just as another young ruler did. Luke 18:18-23.

2/ Next from that remark, what was Nicodemus saying and asking Jesus?
(2) (Though indirectly) he came to ask Jesus the same question.

3/ Why was Nicodemus saying this and asking Jesus?
(3) (Though not mentioned) he has come to know what it will take to rule with Jesus, since that's the position he held in the religious setting and knew that the scriptures said some Jews will rule with the Messiah.

TATIME:
But why didn't you answer my question?

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brocab:
You speak about Petro1 like he is everything to you
-you are Petro1 or you are someone who fantasise over him
-to close gives you away.

brocab:
Is money all about God to you, another tither hits the dust,
the cloths you wear in the photo isn't worth bragging about, this maybe all the riches you have
-truly it's nothing, it proves nothing.

brocab:
Riches in God isn't about how we look
-it's about who we serve,

brocab:
it's obvious you prefer riches.

brocab:
{brocab: 2:47am On Sep 15
"I don't see a rich man-you call him rich because you know him-maybe you are him

-Just by looking at the photo he doesn't look like a man who carries a pocket full of money.}

brocab:
Don't be offended
-we all come up against something we don't all agree with
-you tithe, I don't tithe
-we believe in two different doctrines
-If you were rich, in heart-the inside of the cup will shine on the outside
-but it doesn't with you, your page against me tells your story.

brocab:
You expect people to listen that tithing makes people rich...

brocab:
you want me to believe your clothing belongs to a rich man, because you tithe

brocab:
I don't tithe 'and yet God blesses me, just as much as the next person,
I wear leather jackets-jeans and boots, I have plenty of cloths
-I have a pickup truck, I ride a harley, my wife drives her car, my son drives his car,

brocab:
having worldly riches doesn't prove I am rich, what really makes me rich, is God.

TATIME:
Please, did Nicodemus ever got born of water and spirit (Born Again)? Because according to the gospels,Nicodemus remains part of the Sanhendrin (Jewish rulers). John 7:45-52 So all through Jesus' life and ministry, so he remains a disciple (in the secret). John 19:38,39 So he never declared himself publicly as a disciple of Christ( Matthew 10:39) And it's the baptism by water that FIRST declares you PUBLICLY as an individual who is ready to join Christ's followers, then it was at Pentecost 33c.e that those Christians were baptized with the spirit! Unlike Peter who followed Jesus everywhere He goes and Jesus prayed fervently for him not to loose out in the race(Luke 22:31,32) Nicodemus loved and kept his position amongst the Sanhendrin.
So how or when did he became BORN AGAIN.

TATIME:
Hmmmmmmmmmm thanks for the observation!

TATIME:
"Please i want you to know that this is not the proper channel for our preaching and teaching program

TATIME:
but we just need to clarify certain things in order to prove those who are misrepresenting us as Christians in the society as false!"

(1) Well humans as intelligent creatures needs guidance
but not from their fellow creatures, because of the inevitability of prejudice. Ecclesiastes 4:1,8:9

Even man despite being an intelligent creatures still finds it difficult to make wise decisions
so since he can't wisely direct himself, he's not qualified to give others directions. Jeremiah 10:23

TATIME:
(2) God has arranged that a training program need to be put in place to redeem man back to perfect order,
a King who has lived, studied and understood the feelings of humans should lead the training program. Isaiah 9:6

The King must have co~rulers who will take the training to far distance but first they must be trained, tested and trusted.
They must first display all the qualities required for excellence in performance.
So Jesus started the preaching and teaching from Judea,
His co~rulers must be selected from amongst those who welcomed the training,
Jerusalem supposed to be the seat of their government
but Jerusalem has been polluted with the blood of holy prophets
and finally the Messiah(Himself) was falsely accused, arrested, judge and sentenced to death in Jerusalem!

That's why He foreseeing the event told His friends who were to rule with Him
that He will go and prepare another place for the government house,
but this time in the place from where He has come(heaven).
Humans can't go there because it's an abode for Spirits ONLY. Psalms 115:16

So these co~rulers needed to be transformed into another body (spirit body) before they can go there,
that's the reason for the BORN AGAIN!

Nicodemus was one of the rulers amongst the Jews that time
and their thoughts is that when that promised King arrives He will select them first,
so Jesus told him that he must be Born Again
(first undergo the training, become a frontiers in preaching and teaching, then God can consider him to be part of the chosen ones)
since it's not even Jesus Himself who chooses the co~rulers but the Almighty God. Matthew 20:20-23

Goshen360:
^^^

Goshen360:
Why two of una dey quarrel naw, shebi una two are on the same course.

Goshen360:
Fussing are better handled maturely.

Goshen360:
Thanks for the good work on here though.

brocab:
Sorry did I wake you, I live across the other-side of the moon-a place you may never know it exist!

brocab:
What time did I write my page -around 11 am.

brocab:
Sorry do you think I live in Africa
-No
-my mistake
-I didn't realise you have your computer still running with the sound blaring across the room while you sleep, most people turn them off..

brocab:
If you knew anything about anybody-as you claim you do-which you don't
-somebody you believe that looks rich-doesn't prove he is rich-plus money doesn't make anybody rich-it's a figure of your imagination!

It's what we do with the money
- we give it to the poor the needy and the homeless
- this is what makes us rich in God!

brocab:
Anything out of that square,
worldly riches is nothing-but a destroyer that kills the body and everything that dies with it..
But because you believe Petro1 is rich by his cloths and his smile in the photo
-then you must believe his tithing to his pastor makes him rich!
How does it make him rich?

brocab:
Because I said:
Petro1 doesn't look rich-it is eating you up,
do you really care about my opinion-don't people have rights to have their own opinions,
just look at what you write
-you deafeningly are not speaking love
-and I am sure you would come at me with a sword-in the name of your dirty fell mouthed beliefs.

brocab:
You have got to be kidding man-coming at me like you know "God-with a mouth like yours!
Do yourself a favour man, get with God, spend time with Him, pray for you and I-ask Him for your forgiveness!
Do that and lets leave the past behind, and start again..

Temolad:
The Devil cannot read your mind.
He only takes clues of what you're thinking by silently & attentively listening to the words you speak.
The devil reacts to what comes out of your mouth.
Therefore don't empower the devil by uttering words of doubts, fear & defeat.
Fears uttered expose your weaknesses & attracts attack.
Speak words of hope, faith & victory in Jesus' name & the devil will be confused, demoralized & intimidated.
“Resist the devil & he will flee from you.” James 4:7

TATIME:
The truth of the matter is that they knew nothing as in NOTHING about Jesus of Nazareth!
Because i bet it if they were His contemporaries, they'll do worst to Him than the Pharisees.
God created man not with the ability to rule over themselves but Adam chose to be independent,
Satan seized the opportunity since God drove them away from the garden and started ruling behind the scenes using humans kings as puppets. That's why God wasn't pleased with Israelites when they demanded for a King
because Jesus was the one and only King who can rule mankind without being influenced by Satan's tactics.

Pharisees knew all of these but they just won't accept the humility
and selflessness Jesus was preaching and teaching as the only criteria to rule with Him.
So they decided to do away with Him believing God can't abandon them as Abraham's descendants.
God's Kingdom means a government that's to be ruled by God but with someone sitting on the throne as HIS representative.
Until humans are trained to perfection in other to be 100% obedient to God, that's why Jesus must rule for 1,000 years.
This is the position that the Pharisees were eyeing but Jesus told them that it's for humble and selfless people.
That's what brought about the BORN AGAIN issue.
So whoever is eyeing positions and high ranking offices can never be or remain a Christian.

brocab:
Don't give up-don't return back to your own vomit means, keep it up, don't give up
- I can also count my times wearing t-shirts, having stickers on vehicles, and preaching the gospel on the streets, countless times been there done that, didn't stop there
- I am still doing it
- but using a different approach, I ride a Harley Davidson and in genial I may call people brothers and sisters/neighbours but the only connection I have is the bikes.

And returning back to your own vomit is someone that can't handle a disagreement between both parties.
Your grace is a way off the charts
- we don't have to agree/the point is, we have the bible to back up our theories, if it aren't written, it aren't there.
You choose to be your brothers keeper-love Petro1 as your brother,
but if the love you have for me-is about bad language coming out from your mouth, I prefer you don't love me at all.

brocab:

brocab:
Sorry I thought you would prefer to write about God!
But if this sort of stuff interest you, I will leave you with the worldly vomit below.

brocab:
Why give up-do it more?
Don't return yourself back to your own vomit!

brocab:
{Matthew 12:48-50}
But he replied to the man who told him,
“Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?”
And stretching out his hand toward his disciples, he said,
“Here are my mother and my brothers!
For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother.”

Adulterers and adulteresses!
Do you not know that friendship with the world is enmity with God?
Whoever therefore wants to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God.
I suppose these are your brothers...

brocab:
{1 Timothy 1:3-7}
“As I urged you upon my departure for Macedonia, remain on at Ephesus
so that you may instruct certain men not to teach strange doctrines, {Tithing is the strange doctrine}
nor to pay attention to myths and endless genealogies,
which give rise to mere speculation rather than furthering the administration of God which is by faith.

Some doctrinal controversies are clearly important and worth defending vigorously

{I don't call anybody my brother in Christ, unless we a in one accord,
I don't call anybody my brother that teaches another doctrine, tithers teach that other doctrine
- can't you see-the tithing doctrine causes disputes, and arguments over words.}
{Romans 16:17}
Now I urge you, brothers, to watch out for those who create divisions
and obstacles that are contrary to the teaching you have learned. Turn away from them.

I don't know about you, I defend those so called Christians that lie against the Word of God
-liars that teach tithing money brings them health and wealth.
I will defend against any brother, if they teach another doctrine that does not consent to wholesome words,
even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which accords with godliness, the brother is proud, knowing nothing,
but is obsessed with disputes and arguments over words, from which come envy, strife, reviling, evil suspicions, useless wranglings of men of corrupt minds and destitute of the truth, who suppose that godliness is his means to financial gain.
"From such I am to withdraw myself from this brother"..

We love people because we love Christ!
Loving somebody doesn't mean you need to be somebodies keeper
- if you were Petro1 keeper, what can Petro1 learn from you, visa versa, you both teach two different doctrines!
"You both don't play by the same rules and regulations concerning God
- unless he is your true brother same Mama same Papa?

MuttleyLaff:
If the baby was conceived with her egg, the baby becomes her own

Jesus never at any time, said
"Mary isnt my mother", nor never said, "she isnt my mother" or say, "that woman isnt my mother"

Almost, if not all, each occasion, where Jesus called Mary and/or other females "Woman"
it is because He is talking to the Eve, the first woman in them

If you had responded to Ubenedictus' post first,
I bet you, Ubenedictus would have responded to yours too
Instead we have, two posts left unanswered because people are pretending not have read them

solite3:
[s]Im tired of going round in circles.
take your time and read through my entire post[/s]
I can't recall where Jesus talked to eve?

budaatum:
This is the sort of made up stuff you say that then tends to ruin your entire position!
There is absolutely nothing in scripture in support of the assertion that Jesus was talking to Eve.

budaatum:
And a more plausible explanation is available to boot, the following being one:
Indeed, to modern ears Jesus’ addressing Mary as “woman” sounds a bit cold.
But in Aramaic, the language in which Our Lord spoke, it was actually a term of respect
— a normal, polite form of address, as the New American Bible observes in a footnote to John 2:4.

And here's a link to a pointless ramble on the subject giving a different reason, though I confess the point eludes me.

budaatum:
When one makes up stuff in an argument,
one should understand that one is equally permitting the other to do likewise.
Then we night as well be arguing whether the pie in the sky is in the north or the south
and whether it is a Nigerian meatpie or a Scottish steak and kidney pie, for all the advancing in understanding it effects.

budaatum:
If I have wrongly accused you of pie in the skying, I would gladly be corrected.
But please, to the point, and without rambling, just so my tiny head can get around it.

Thanks, anticipatingly.

solite3:
a woman nurturing and taking care of a baby doesn't make it her own.
she can take care and nature the child of someone else but doesn't mean it's her own.
your are just going round in circles

solite3:
ask yourself why Jesus always call Mary woman instead of mother.
Mary may carry Jesus in her womb and nature her but it doesn't make her mother of God.

Ubenedictus:
so you agree that Mary nurtured God in human flesh,
do you also agree that God took flesh in Mary's womb?
That Mary bore God in human flesh for 9 months?
that Mary birth God in human flesh?

solite3:
do you also agree that David is the father of God?