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 Christianity Etc › Re: The Science Agenda To Exterminate Blacks by MuttleyLaff: 2:34pm On Jan 01, 2018*. Modified: 2:58pm On Jan 01, 2018 |
Billyonaire:Correctly, that is a great advice there, by no other than Jesus Christ Matthew 10:16 classic example, where, when in the midst of wolves, cuddling the wise thinking ways of serpent is endorsed by Jesus Christ Wisdom has to do decision making, making right moves, good choices or correct decisions |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The Science Agenda To Exterminate Blacks by MuttleyLaff: 2:28pm On Jan 01, 2018*. Modified: 4:00pm On Jan 01, 2018 |
Emmanystone:Bill Gate's agenda to depopulate the world. Testament to this, are his trips to the north and other third world countries bankrolling vaccines Emmanystone:My faith doesn't <<edited; restrict in that regard I made an earlier shout out to everyone earlier than yours and before you scooted out of the thread |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The Science Agenda To Exterminate Blacks by MuttleyLaff: 2:13pm On Jan 01, 2018*. Modified: 3:38pm On Jan 01, 2018 |
Saverin:Thank you ooo Emmanystone:Present Ma This is not news. Read over the years about Bill Gates hiding behind his foundation and influenced by his Momma pushing this agenda correctguy101:https://i57.tinypic.com/34sp9j4.gif If the white guy is Shlomo Sand. Yes. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: CHURCH VS CONGREGATION Congregation Was Yahshua Creation, Church A Creation Of by MuttleyLaff: 2:10pm On Jan 01, 2018 |
Hiswordxray:With this knowledge comes an opportunity of improvement. You can make yourself a better person or become better with it, and as improvement begins with I nicemuyoo:Only a dead fish goes with the flow |
| Christianity Etc › Re: What Is The Meaning Of Church? by MuttleyLaff: 10:58am On Jan 01, 2018 |
asuustrike2009: Hiswordxray:What an ungrateful and unnecessary remark to make Did you read what asuustrike2009 said about your inadequate, ridiculous mediocre watered-down version post of what is the meaning of church? nicemuyoo well done jaare, its nice to have another on the same page for once, who knows what, really, is the meaning of church |
| Christianity Etc › Re: What Is The Meaning Of Church? by MuttleyLaff: 4:58am On Jan 01, 2018 |
petra1:But if I tarry long, that thou may know how it is expedient to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the congregation {Gr. ekklesia – called out ones} of the living God, the pillar and base of the truth. - 1 Timothy 3:15 Jubilee Bible 2000 FYI, in 1526 AD, William Tyndale's New Testament, was the first New Testament printed in the English Language and the fact about this translation, is that, not a single occurrence of the word "church" is found used for congregation in it. William Tyndale did however, use the word "church" twice in Acts 14:13 and Acts 19:37 for something else. It was in reference to pagan Temples; "ekklesia" wasn't used in either of those verses mentioned. 1557 AD was the first time "ekklesia" was translated as "church" by William Whittingham in the Geneva New Testament produced, subsequent bible translations, KJV included, began having "church" used to describe people and their place of congregation or place of meetings too From then to the present, the norm now is, "church" erroneously is the physical structure and people assembling together (i.e. Matthew 16:18, Acts 14:23, James 5:14) In the New Testament, we are used to knowing synagogue also to be an equivalent name of the building used for assembling in or congregating in, but the Greek word "sunagogé" means "coming together" and could imply a meeting (i.e. gathering together) rather than a building (i.e. Acts 13:43, James 2:2); so synagogues were simply gatherings that took place outdoors or in people’s houses or courtyards (i.e. refer to 2 Thessalonians 2:1 or Hebrews 10:25 Greek Text Analysis for more details) TB Joshua’s set-up, calls itself synagogue, but then for good measure, appends the word "church", making it: The Synagogue, Church Of All Nations (i.e. SCOAN) |
| Christianity Etc › Re: What Is The Meaning Of Church? by MuttleyLaff: 10:55pm On Dec 31, 2017*. Modified: 6:10am On Jan 02, 2018 |
ifenes: petra1:I concur with you that the statement is wrong petra1:Wrong. The church is not a people Wrong, the church is not a gathering petra1:Wrong, the church is not a and/or the place where God is worshiped asuustrike2009: Hiswordxray: asuustrike2009:But if I tarry long, that thou may know how it is expedient to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the congregation {Gr. ekklesia – called out ones} of the living God, the pillar and base of the truth. - 1 Timothy 3:15 Jubilee Bible 2000 For all it's worth, it's necessary and important to be familiar with this word "church" because as we start to read about or know things done in the past, we can begin to learn from them, learn a thing or two, would have become wiser and wise enough to make re-adjustments, where if applicable, to our theology To start with and as a matter of fact, "ekklesia" is the proper and correct noun word for believers called out and/or gathering together, which the word "church", as it is, presently or currently represents. "Ekklesia" actually, is a Greek word, which in Athens and in most Greek poleis (i.e. Greek cities or states) means an assembly of demo (i.e. yes, demo, is Greek for people, as like the demo in democracy) "Ekklesia" is an assembly of summoned free people or gathering of those summoned. The word is derived from “ekkletos” meaning summoned and “ekkaleom” meaning to summon or call out. "Ekklesia" in Strong's Greek Concordance, is defined as "an assembly, congregation, the whole body of Christian believers" and says it’s formed from a compound of "ek" which means "out of or out from and to" and a derivative of "kaleo" which means "to call or a calling" "Ekkletoi" refers to the called-out inhabitants or citizens of Athens or any of the Greek poleis, assembled together, as a result of a call out request done by a herald, announcer or town crier. "Ekklesia" appears 114 times in the NT. It first appeared in Matthew 16:18, and that's where it was first mentioned and first used by none other than Jesus Now here's a sense of biblical déjà vu repeating itself , Eve out of Adam, Israelites out of Egypt etc and this is, God, again, in the person of Jesus Christ doing a "call out from... and to assembly" "Ekklesia" as far back in the Old Testament wilderness, has always been an assembly or congregation of called-out people (i.e. Acts 7:38 is referring to the congregation in Deuteronomy 9:10) and it's no different in the original Greek New Testament whether in non-secular and secular capacities (i.e. Matthew 16:18, Acts 7:38 non-secular and Acts 19:32, 39 and 41 for secular) Notice in Acts 19:32, 39 and 41, that "ekklesia" is used three times, for people not connected with religious or christian matters, assembling or gathering together. This so far, is showing that, "ekklesia" represents something totally different to what we've commonly perceived what "church" is. Also, the true meaning, import or connotation of "ekklesia" is lost or eroded when it is used or translated to/as "church" "Ekklesia" isn't about physical structures, and the Greeks; originators of the word, never referred it, to be a building or place of worship, so at least Freeze got something right At this juncture, some might say, all this etymology stuff is bunkum and time wasting, it's nitpicking over minute details, and that it's pedantic fault-finding or say church or ekklesia, whatever the noun used, it doesn't matter. Others like damosky12, delighting in their ignorance(s), could say, church or ekklesia, it makes no difference, it's much ado about nothing and so what's the big deal. Well, FYI, in 1526 AD, William Tyndale's New Testament, was the first New Testament printed in the English Language and the fact about this translation, is that, not a single occurrence of the word "church" is found used for congregation in it. William Tyndale did however, use the word "church" twice in Acts 14:13 and Acts 19:37 for something else. It was in reference to pagan Temples; "ekklesia" wasn't used in either of those verses mentioned. Then Iupiters Preste which dwelt before their cite brought oxe and garlondes vnto the churche porche and wolde have done sacrifise with the people - Acts 14:13 William Tyndale. Zeus' temple was at the entrance to the city. The priest of the god Zeus brought bulls with flowery wreaths around their necks to the temple gates. The priest and the crowd wanted to offer a sacrifice [to Paul and Barnabas]. - Acts 14:13 GOD'S WORD® Translation. For you have brought here these men, who are neither robbers of temples, nor yet blasphemers of your goddess. - Acts 19:37 King James 2000 Bible For ye have brought hyther these me whiche are nether robbers of churches nor yet despisers of youre goddes. - Acts 19:37 William Tyndale. Tyndale recognised, "ecclesia or ekklesia" to be congregacion or congregation of "called out people" who are believers and that churches were buildings for religious practices or purposes, and this includes Jewish or pagan temples. So, in this first English New Testament translation print, congregation originally was in the place where "church" is presently or currently found in most English translations. In the beginning, building(s) was what "church" was original identified as, but now, it's obvious and no denying that, "church" is prevalently also called or known as the body of Christ. Examples of other churches, we have, as of today are: The Church of Scientology, Church of Wicca, The National Church of Bey (i.e. Beyonce), Church of Satan, The Sunday Assembly (i.e. an atheist church), The Church of Humanity etcetera. 1557 AD was the first time "ekklesia" was translated as "church" by William Whittingham in the Geneva New Testament produced, subsequent bible translations, KJV included, began having "church" used to describe people and their place of congregation or place of meetings too From then to the present, the norm now is, "church" erroneously is the physical structure and people assembling together (i.e. Matthew 16:18, Acts 14:23, James 5:14) In the New Testament, we are used to knowing synagogue also to be an equivalent name of the building used for assembling in or congregating in, but the Greek word "sunagogé" means "coming together" and could imply a meeting (i.e. gathering together) rather than a building (i.e. Acts 13:43, James 2:2); so synagogues were simply gatherings that took place outdoors or in people’s houses or courtyards (i.e. refer to 2 Thessalonians 2:1 or Hebrews 10:25 Greek Text Analysis for more details) TB Joshua’s set-up, calls itself synagogue, but then for good measure, appends the word "church", making it: The Synagogue, Church Of All Nations (i.e. SCOAN) The English word "church" on it's self, actually has pagan origins. It's a derivation from the Old English word cir(i)ce, cyr(i)ce, related to the Anglo Saxon circay, kirk in Scottish, the Latin circus/circulous, Dutch kerk, or German Kirche. These words all have associations with "gathering in circles" and researches showed that most pagan religions meetings have worshippers/attendees gathered together round in prayer circles. This information gives some insight into Tyndales' understanding and the reason why he selected the word "Church" to refer to buildings; pagan temple(s) included and used congregacion (i.e. congregation) to mean "ekklesia" Why was a totally unrelated word to ekklesia, substituted for ekklesia? (i.e. like in Job 14:4) As so far noticed, the word "Church" has varied origins and different meanings to what we're accustomed to, but the word in Latin for ekklesia is also ekklesia, so, if Latin in the absence of a proper word, managed to retain the word ekklesia, why couldn't the "called out ones" who translated, retain it too? In light of all these information, why the word "church", is falsely used in place of Christ's ekklesia leaves one literally open-mouthed No doubt, there are strong indications of foul-play somewhere down the history lanes of church, as "church" DOESN'T COME from the original Koine Greek word ekklesia. As regards the chequered and real truth about ""Church"; where did it come from and where is it headed?”, lack of space and time doesn't permit elaborating, hence these following bullet points: • Adam & Eve in Eden fast forward to Matthew 16:18 and Acts 2:41 • Roman Emperors Constantine and Licinius' Edict of Milan in AD 313 which established a policy of religious freedom for all. (i.e. a proclamation that permanently legalised Christianity in the Roman Empire) • Christianity becoming the official religion of the Roman Empire. • the sell-out and/or shady deal(s)(e.g. "Church" and State collaboration under Constantine) • The regularisation and formation of the Roman Catholic Church (i.e. RCC) • Roman Empire's adoption of RCC as "official" church during Constantine's reign • The supremacy of the Roman bishop (i.e. the papacy) created/aided with the support of the Roman emperors (i.e. Constantine and his successors) • Constantine calling the First Council of Nicaea in AD 325, in an attempt to unify Christianity when doctrinal disputes arose (e.g. Arianism, doctrines named after Arius, a teacher in the early 4th century A.D) and presiding over this first ecumenical church council • the exploits of the apostles, all charged up in their faith, preaching the Gospel and like Jesus willing to die horrible deaths because of it. • The apostolic period (i.e. including The "patristic writings'') - about contemporaries of the apostles like Linus, mentioned in 2 Timothy 4:21, and who became the bishop of Rome after Peter was martyred • the ante-Nicene (i.e. before Nicaea) period - about the likes of Ignatius and his "ekklesia katholicos" phrase, he was a disciple of the apostle John • the post-Nicene "church" period - about the likes of Augustine, bishop of Hippo, who is often called the father of the [Roman Catholic] Church because of his great work in Church doctrine • The term "Roman Catholic" defined by Emperor Theodosius on February 27th, 380 in the Theodosian Code. In that document, he referred to those who hold to the "religion which was delivered to the Romans by the divine Apostle Peter" as "Roman Catholic Christians" and gave them the official sanction of the empire • the first canon (i.e. Muratorian Canon), the progressive acceptance of other books as canonical and have them make up the 66 books of the bible • The fall of the Roman Empire in AD 476 and the rise of the Roman Catholic Church • the Pontifex Maximus; the highest office in the state religion of ancient Rome and at the collapse of the Roman Empire, RCC popes taking on this title that had previously belonged to the Roman emperors • the tragic compromise of believers with the introduction of pagan religions and assimilation of paganism influences (i.e. the Romanization and paganization of Christianity and the "Christianization" of pagan beliefs) • Apostolic succession and Pope Gregory in AD 590, upon assuming office denying any responsibility or support for any ambition to the throne of Peter • "Church" and State fully merged as the Holy Roman Empire • Subsequent popes exercising authority over kings and emperors, taking on imperial powers along with ecclesiastical authority (e.g. St Leo III) • the Filioque clause/Filioque controversy and/or The Great Schism • John Wycliffe of England, John Huss of Czechoslovakia, and John of Wessel in Germany • Protestant Reformation; division between the Catholic Church and Protestantism over interpretation of Biblical Testaments. • The Edict of Worms (i.e. the Holy Roman Empire, Charles V and the Pope banning all writings of Martin Luther and labelling him a heretic and enemy of the state) etc • Calvinism (i.e. named after French reformer and theologian John Calvin, he was Martin Luther's successor during the Protestant Reformation) • The Edict of Nantes, The Edict of Restitution. • King Henry VIII taking over jurisdiction of the Church, after kicking RCC out of England. • Various political and ulterior motives (e.g. translators forbidden by King James' official order from replacing the Greek word "ekklesia" with "congregation" (i.e. the true interpretation) Compare Psalms 22:22 with Hebrews 2:12 for more details on this, bibles translated to fit the politics or traditions of men etc) • Evangelicalism, Revivalism, Pentecostalism, Christian science, the Charismatic Movement, Mormonism/the Latter Day Saint movement, Word of Faith movement etc • Institutional/organised church(es); licensed or incorporated as businesses/charities etc (i.e. to gain non-profit tax-exempt status) • Church(es) under the jurisdiction of man (e.g. unincorporated charities/church(es), unregistered/registered church(es) etc) • details of corrupted teachings or doctrines. • Etcetera, etcetera As for, "Church" where did the word come from and where is it heading? Proper? Well the word "Church", in letter and/or substance, clearly metamorphosed from "ekklesia" and as it currently stands, those/anyone called "Church" today are seemingly apostate(s) heading towards just deserts. "Church" will be getting its divine comeuppance some point at the end. 1st century AD - ekklēsia founded on the teachings of Jesus 2nd century AD - Christians already denouncing teachings seen as heresies, e.g Gnosticism, Montanism etc 4th century AD - ekklēsia transformed, church evolves, finally legalized and then promoted by Emperors Constantine and Theodosius I as the state church of the Roman Empire 11th century AD - Church within the Roman Empire excommunicated each other - West (i.e. Rome) and the East (i.e. Constantinople, Jerusalem, Antioch, and Alexandria) officially excluded each other 16th century AD - Lutheran Church was founded by Martin Luther 16th century AD - Protestant Reformation 16th century AD - The Presbyterian denomination began by John Knox who was dissatisfied with Anglicanism 16th century AD - Anglicanism (i.e. Church of England) founded by King Henry VIII 17th century AD - The Baptist church launched by John Smyth in Amsterdam, Holland. 18th century AD - The Methodist church launched by John and Charles Wesley in England 18th century AD - The Salvation Army launched by William Booth, who quit the Anglicans, and then the Methodists to set up his own version of Christianity. 19th century AD - The Jehovah's Witness Church developed by Charles Russell. 19th century AD - The Christian Scientist religion began by Mrs. Mary Baker Eddy, centered around an outright denial of Original Sin and its effects 19th century AD - Ballinger Booth, the son of William Booth, quit The Salvation Army and started his own church 19th century AD to date - The Seventh-Day Adventists, Apostolic Faith, Foursquare Apostolic Church, K&C, CAC, CCC, RCCG, MFM, Winners Chapel, KICC, BLW/Christ Embassy, SCOAN, and various other Pentecostal Churches etc are among the hundreds of new churches founded by men within the past 200 years or so. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Ducking Out Of Church by MuttleyLaff: 9:24pm On Dec 31, 2017 |
Sarassin:Same to you, your household and everyone else that have contributed on this thread 2 Likes |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Ducking Out Of Church by MuttleyLaff: 9:17pm On Dec 31, 2017 |
Sarassin:Nice repertoire |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Ducking Out Of Church by MuttleyLaff: 9:15pm On Dec 31, 2017 |
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| Christianity Etc › Re: Ducking Out Of Church by MuttleyLaff: 9:03pm On Dec 31, 2017 |
Sarassin:Point being, it's a good trick Do you do genie in a bottle that when the bottle is rubbed the right way, you pop out and grant three wishes |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Ducking Out Of Church by MuttleyLaff: 8:45pm On Dec 31, 2017 |
Mujtahida: Sarassin:Not surprised coming from a self-hating Ashkenazi Jew The book is as good being used as toilet paper |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Ducking Out Of Church by MuttleyLaff: 8:30pm On Dec 31, 2017 |
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damosky12:But if I tarry long, that thou may know how it is expedient to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the congregation {Gr. ekklesia – called out ones} of the living God, the pillar and base of the truth. - 1 Timothy 3:15 Jubilee Bible 2000 For all it's worth, it's necessary and important to be familiar with this word "church" because as we start to read about or know things done in the past, we can begin to learn from them, learn a thing or two, would have become wiser and wise enough to make re-adjustments, where if applicable, to our theology To start with and as a matter of fact, "ekklesia" is the proper and correct noun word for believers called out and/or gathering together, which the word "church", as it is, presently or currently represents. "Ekklesia" actually, is a Greek word, which in Athens and in most Greek poleis (i.e. Greek cities or states) means an assembly of demo (i.e. yes, demo, is Greek for people, as like the demo in democracy) "Ekklesia" is an assembly of summoned free people or gathering of those summoned. The word is derived from “ekkletos” meaning summoned and “ekkaleom” meaning to summon or call out. "Ekklesia" in Strong's Greek Concordance, is defined as "an assembly, congregation, the whole body of Christian believers" and says it’s formed from a compound of "ek" which means "out of or out from and to" and a derivative of "kaleo" which means "to call or a calling" "Ekkletoi" refers to the called-out inhabitants or citizens of Athens or any of the Greek poleis, assembled together, as a result of a call out request done by a herald, announcer or town crier. "Ekklesia" appears 114 times in the NT. It first appeared in Matthew 16:180, and that's where it was first mentioned and first used by none other than Jesus Now here's a sense of biblical déjà vu repeating itself , Eve out of Adam, Israelites out of Egypt etc and this is, God, again, in the person of Jesus Christ doing a "call out from... and to assembly" "Ekklesia" as far back in the Old Testament wilderness, has always been an assembly or congregation of called-out people (i.e. Acts 7:38 is referring to the congregation in Deuteronomy 9:10) and it's no different in the original Greek New Testament whether in non-secular and secular capacities (i.e. Matthew 16:18, Acts 7:38 non-secular and Acts 19:32, 39 and 41 for secular) Notice in Acts 19:32, 39 and 41, that "ekklesia" is used three times, for people not connected with religious or christian matters, assembling or gathering together. This so far, is showing that, "ekklesia" represents something totally different to what we've commonly perceived what "church" is. Also, the true meaning, import or connotation of "ekklesia" is lost or eroded when it is used or translated to/as "church" "Ekklesia" isn't about physical structures, and the Greeks; originators of the word, never referred it, to be a building or place of worship, so at least Freeze got something right At this juncture, some might say, all this etymology stuff is bunkum and time wasting, it's nitpicking over minute details, and that it's pedantic fault-finding or say church or ekklesia, whatever the noun used, it doesn't matter. Others like damosky12, delighting in their ignorance(s), could say, church or ekklesia, it makes no difference, it's much ado about nothing and so what's the big deal. Well, FYI, in 1526 AD, William Tyndale's New Testament, was the first New Testament printed in the English Language and the fact about this translation, is that, not a single occurrence of the word "church" is found used for congregation in it. William Tyndale did however, use the word "church" twice in Acts 14:13 and Acts 19:37 for something else. It was in reference to pagan Temples; "ekklesia" wasn't used in either of those verses mentioned. Then Iupiters Preste which dwelt before their cite brought oxe and garlondes vnto the churche porche and wolde have done sacrifise with the people - Acts 14:13 William Tyndale. Zeus' temple was at the entrance to the city. The priest of the god Zeus brought bulls with flowery wreaths around their necks to the temple gates. The priest and the crowd wanted to offer a sacrifice [to Paul and Barnabas]. - Acts 14:13 GOD'S WORD® Translation. For you have brought here these men, who are neither robbers of temples, nor yet blasphemers of your goddess. - Acts 19:37 King James 2000 Bible For ye have brought hyther these me whiche are nether robbers of churches nor yet despisers of youre goddes. - Acts 19:37 William Tyndale. Tyndale recognised, "ecclesia or ekklesia" to be congregacion or congregation of "called out people" who are believers and that churches were buildings for religious practices or purposes, and this includes Jewish or pagan temples. So, in this first English New Testament translation print, congregation originally was in the place where "church" is presently or currently found in most English translations. In the beginning, building(s) was what "church" was original identified as, but now, it's obvious and no denying that, "church" is prevalently also called or known as the body of Christ. Examples of other churches, we have, as of today are: The Church of Scientology, Church of Wicca, The National Church of Bey (i.e. Beyonce), Church of Satan, The Sunday Assembly (i.e. an atheist church), The Church of Humanity etcetera. 1557 AD was the first time "ekklesia" was translated as "church" by William Whittingham in the Geneva New Testament produced, subsequent bible translations, KJV included, began having "church" used to describe people and their place of congregation or place of meetings too From then to the present, the norm now is, "church" erroneously is the physical structure and people assembling together (i.e. Matthew 16:18, Acts 14:23, James 5:14) In the New Testament, we are used to knowing synagogue also to be an equivalent name of the building used for assembling in or congregating in, but the Greek word "sunagogé" means "coming together" and could imply a meeting (i.e. gathering together) rather than a building (i.e. Acts 13:43, James 2:2); so synagogues were simply gatherings that took place outdoors or in people’s houses or courtyards (i.e. refer to 2 Thessalonians 2:1 or Hebrews 10:25 Greek Text Analysis for more details) TB Joshua’s set-up, calls itself synagogue, but then for good measure, appends the word "church", making it: The Synagogue, Church Of All Nations (i.e. SCOAN) The English word "church" on it's self, actually has pagan origins. It's a derivation from the Old English word cir(i)ce, cyr(i)ce, related to the Anglo Saxon circay, kirk in Scottish, the Latin circus/circulous, Dutch kerk, or German Kirche. These words all have associations with "gathering in circles" and researches showed that most pagan religions meetings have worshippers/attendees gathered together round in prayer circles. This information gives some insight into Tyndales' understanding and the reason why he selected the word "Church" to refer to buildings; pagan temple(s) included and used congregacion (i.e. congregation) to mean "ekklesia" Why was a totally unrelated word to ekklesia, substituted for ekklesia? (i.e. like in Job 14:4) As so far noticed, the word "Church" has varied origins and different meanings to what we're accustomed to, but the word in Latin for ekklesia is also ekklesia, so, if Latin in the absence of a proper word, managed to retain the word ekklesia, why couldn't the "called out ones" who translated, retain it too? In light of all these information, why the word "church", is falsely used in place of Christ's ekklesia leaves one literally open-mouthed No doubt, there are strong indications of foul-play somewhere down the history lanes of church, as "church" DOESN'T COME from the original Koine Greek word ekklesia. As regards the chequered and real truth about ""Church"; where did it come from and where is it headed?”, lack of space and time doesn't permit elaborating, hence these following bullet points: • Adam & Eve in Eden fast forward to Matthew 16:18 and Acts 2:41 • Roman Emperors Constantine and Licinius' Edict of Milan in AD 313 which established a policy of religious freedom for all. (i.e. a proclamation that permanently legalised Christianity in the Roman Empire) • Christianity becoming the official religion of the Roman Empire. • the sell-out and/or shady deal(s)(e.g. "Church" and State collaboration under Constantine) • The regularisation and formation of the Roman Catholic Church (i.e. RCC) • Roman Empire's adoption of RCC as "official" church during Constantine's reign • The supremacy of the Roman bishop (i.e. the papacy) created/aided with the support of the Roman emperors (i.e. Constantine and his successors) • Constantine calling the First Council of Nicaea in AD 325, in an attempt to unify Christianity when doctrinal disputes arose (e.g. Arianism, doctrines named after Arius, a teacher in the early 4th century A.D) and presiding over this first ecumenical church council • the exploits of the apostles, all charged up in their faith, preaching the Gospel and like Jesus willing to die horrible deaths because of it. • The apostolic period (i.e. including The "patristic writings'') - about contemporaries of the apostles like Linus, mentioned in 2 Timothy 4:21, and who became the bishop of Rome after Peter was martyred • the ante-Nicene (i.e. before Nicaea) period - about the likes of Ignatius and his "ekklesia katholicos" phrase, he was a disciple of the apostle John • the post-Nicene "church" period - about the likes of Augustine, bishop of Hippo, who is often called the father of the [Roman Catholic] Church because of his great work in Church doctrine • The term "Roman Catholic" defined by Emperor Theodosius on February 27th, 380 in the Theodosian Code. In that document, he referred to those who hold to the "religion which was delivered to the Romans by the divine Apostle Peter" as "Roman Catholic Christians" and gave them the official sanction of the empire • the first canon (i.e. Muratorian Canon), the progressive acceptance of other books as canonical and have them make up the 66 books of the bible • The fall of the Roman Empire in AD 476 and the rise of the Roman Catholic Church • the Pontifex Maximus; the highest office in the state religion of ancient Rome and at the collapse of the Roman Empire, RCC popes taking on this title that had previously belonged to the Roman emperors • the tragic compromise of believers with the introduction of pagan religions and assimilation of paganism influences (i.e. the Romanization and paganization of Christianity and the "Christianization" of pagan beliefs) • Apostolic succession and Pope Gregory in AD 590, upon assuming office denying any responsibility or support for any ambition to the throne of Peter • "Church" and State fully merged as the Holy Roman Empire • Subsequent popes exercising authority over kings and emperors, taking on imperial powers along with ecclesiastical authority (e.g. St Leo III) • the Filioque clause/Filioque controversy and/or The Great Schism • John Wycliffe of England, John Huss of Czechoslovakia, and John of Wessel in Germany • Protestant Reformation; division between the Catholic Church and Protestantism over interpretation of Biblical Testaments. • The Edict of Worms (i.e. the Holy Roman Empire, Charles V and the Pope banning all writings of Martin Luther and labelling him a heretic and enemy of the state) etc • Calvinism (i.e. named after French reformer and theologian John Calvin, he was Martin Luther's successor during the Protestant Reformation) • The Edict of Nantes, The Edict of Restitution. • King Henry VIII taking over jurisdiction of the Church, after kicking RCC out of England. • Various political and ulterior motives (e.g. translators forbidden by King James' official order from replacing the Greek word "ekklesia" with "congregation" (i.e. the true interpretation) Compare Psalms 22:22 with Hebrews 2:12 for more details on this, bibles translated to fit the politics or traditions of men etc) • Evangelicalism, Revivalism, Pentecostalism, Christian science, the Charismatic Movement, Mormonism/the Latter Day Saint movement, Word of Faith movement etc • Institutional/organised church(es); licensed or incorporated as businesses/charities etc (i.e. to gain non-profit tax-exempt status) • Church(es) under the jurisdiction of man (e.g. unincorporated charities/church(es), unregistered/registered church(es) etc) • details of corrupted teachings or doctrines. • Etcetera, etcetera As for, "Church" where did the word come from and where is it heading? Proper? Well the word "Church", in letter and/or substance, clearly metamorphosed from "ekklesia" and as it currently stands, those/anyone called "Church" today are seemingly apostate(s) heading towards just deserts. "Church" will be getting its divine comeuppance some point at the end. 1st century AD - ekklēsia founded on the teachings of Jesus 2nd century AD - Christians already denouncing teachings seen as heresies, e.g Gnosticism, Montanism etc 4th century AD - ekklēsia transformed, church evolves, finally legalized and then promoted by Emperors Constantine and Theodosius I as the state church of the Roman Empire 11th century AD - Church within the Roman Empire excommunicated each other - West (i.e. Rome) and the East (i.e. Constantinople, Jerusalem, Antioch, and Alexandria) officially excluded each other 16th century AD - Lutheran Church was founded by Martin Luther 16th century AD - Protestant Reformation 16th century AD - The Presbyterian denomination began by John Knox who was dissatisfied with Anglicanism 16th century AD - Anglicanism (i.e. Church of England) founded by King Henry VIII 17th century AD - The Baptist church launched by John Smyth in Amsterdam, Holland. 18th century AD - The Methodist church launched by John and Charles Wesley in England 18th century AD - The Salvation Army launched by William Booth, who quit the Anglicans, and then the Methodists to set up his own version of Christianity. 19th century AD - The Jehovah's Witness Church developed by Charles Russell. 19th century AD - The Christian Scientist religion began by Mrs. Mary Baker Eddy, centered around an outright denial of Original Sin and its effects 19th century AD - Ballinger Booth, the son of William Booth, quit The Salvation Army and started his own church 19th century AD to date - The Seventh-Day Adventists, Apostolic Faith, Foursquare Apostolic Church, K&C, CAC, CCC, RCCG, MFM, Winners Chapel, KICC, BLW/Christ Embassy, SCOAN, and various other Pentecostal Churches etc are among the hundreds of new churches founded by men within the past 200 years or so. For starters church has a where? It has a building, in where, it has people of all manners of inclination gathering inside it |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Do You Think Smoking Before Going To Church Is A Sin ? by MuttleyLaff: 9:15am On Dec 31, 2017 |
petra1:Yes, reach out to him reacher. He's killing himself softly and slowly |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Ducking Out Of Church by MuttleyLaff: 8:26am On Dec 31, 2017*. Modified: 11:23am On Dec 31, 2017 |
hopefulLandlord:I concur with you and Analize701. Both of yah are actually right, however I won't go as far as with Analice107 though, that the pope is a hellenist analize701:I stand to corrected, as I don't want to fall out with Analice107. Isn't hellenisim, influence by all that Greek civilization is about, which could be adopting its architecture, adopting the language, adopting Greek culture, ideals, character, philosophy, adopting its sports or games etcetera analize701: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUoIu6Ygrl0 It's believers who don't worship idols. Christians worship idols and/or gods |
| Christianity Etc › Re: What Happened To Daddy Freeze Tap Challenge? by MuttleyLaff: 5:41pm On Dec 30, 2017 |
Blackfire:I know. It is a noble idea. Like play, like play, we'll just be seeing the benefits in the neighbourhood because some of those millionares' and billionaires' 10% is enough to cater for major projects that can alleviate the miseries, hard life and sufferings in our community |
| Christianity Etc › Re: What Happened To Daddy Freeze Tap Challenge? by MuttleyLaff: 4:26pm On Dec 30, 2017 |
Blackfire:Love what? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: What Happened To Daddy Freeze Tap Challenge? by MuttleyLaff: 4:26pm On Dec 30, 2017 |
Jesusgirl92:Do you have to comment, just for commenting sake? How do you mean, saying "Who is Freeze to decide what?" Jesusgirl92:Were you expecting not to be asked why you said: "Judas sef go dey laugh wherever he is right now" |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Ducking Out Of Church by MuttleyLaff: 12:26pm On Dec 30, 2017 |
Mujtahida:Oh dear, somebody didn't have a very merry christmas afterall then. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Ducking Out Of Church by MuttleyLaff: 9:14am On Dec 30, 2017 |
Seun:Extremely easy getting everyone's attention isn't the point here but rather acknowledgement or being aware that your attention is getting sought. Do gallery masterpiece art work turn out the way they are, just like that, piam, without an artist? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: What Happened To Daddy Freeze Tap Challenge? by MuttleyLaff: 8:39am On Dec 30, 2017 |
Jesusgirl92:The difference, that's if you took up the challenge, is you have participated in reducing the poverty and/or of your neighbour. Imagine the impact, on our neighbourhoods at large, if each of the millionaires and billionaires get caught up in it. We'll just be seeing roads with proper drainage systems being built, pedestrian crossing getting erected, health care facilities being built, start-up capital getting doled out, streetlights getting put up etcetera All these poverty and lack alleviation coming from 10% of the have all. You haven't answered the why would Judas be laughing question? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: What Happened To Daddy Freeze Tap Challenge? by MuttleyLaff: 7:57am On Dec 30, 2017 |
Jesusgirl92:Don't get it twisted. The concept is not "Pay your tithe to the poor" rather it is "Tithe against Poverty" Challenge. TAP Challenge, is about tapping people on the shoulder, call one another out and publicly challenge the named person, to put down 10% of their finances towards reducing the poverty or lacks of their neighbour Why would Judas be laughing, if I may ask? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: What Happened To Daddy Freeze Tap Challenge? by MuttleyLaff: 1:23am On Dec 30, 2017*. Modified: 7:45am On Dec 30, 2017 |
analize701:I am sorry if I came on the defensive analize701:As I earlier said, I dont know Freeze from Adam, nonetheless, it's a good concept Here is the idea behind the low-down on TAP Challenge (i.e. Tithe against Poverty Challenge) Starting with Mr/Mrs/Ms X. Mr/Mrs/Ms X, looks around, identifies a neighbour whom to reduce his/her poverty The lack might be: unable to pay kids tuition fees, unable to pay house rent, unable to settle hospital bills, unable to raise startup capital etcetera 10% of Mr/Mrs/Ms X's finances is given to pay for cancelling out one of the lacks after this, Mr/Mrs/Ms X, passes the challenge to another person, by publicly calling out or naming the person to do similar to their neighbour The challengee, does exactly what the challenger, earlier did, similarly identify a lack and use his/her finance 10% to clear it off then finds another person to challenge to repeat for another neighbour to have his/her lack alleviated Imagine this going the rounds, and later on, having Otedola turn up being a challengee The implication is, that, Otedola will look around to see what his neigbour lacks, this could be: lack of motorable roads, lack of health care facilities, lack of kindergarten/elementary/secondary/tiertiary education facilities etcetera Otedola now puts down 10% of his finance to cover the cost of reducing one or two of the lack(s) Nominates another person, maybe MTN's Adenuga, Adenuga then does the role before calling someone else out Before we know it, all these millionares and billionaires will be challenging out each other for the TAP Challenge and thereby get to be using 10% of their finances to reduce the poverty and/or challenges of their neighbours analize701:There is no warrant for this as you can never make your brother angry |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Ducking Out Of Church by MuttleyLaff: 12:06am On Dec 30, 2017 |
Sarassin:https://i57.tinypic.com/34sp9j4.gif  |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Ducking Out Of Church by MuttleyLaff: 12:05am On Dec 30, 2017 |
Sarassin:Observation dear friend, observation Statement based on something one has seen, heard or noticed |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Ducking Out Of Church by MuttleyLaff: 11:57pm On Dec 29, 2017 |
analize701:Is it because of the self confessed forming brood of vipers? Bwahahaha |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Ducking Out Of Church by MuttleyLaff: 11:52pm On Dec 29, 2017 |
analize701:Yes ooo analize701:Get rid of the grimace God has not given you a spirit of fear, but of power and of love and of a sound mind. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Ducking Out Of Church by MuttleyLaff: 11:48pm On Dec 29, 2017 |
LotusFan:OK sire, I hear you It's just that I like listening and reading lies especially when I know the truth thats how my tolerance came about |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Ducking Out Of Church by MuttleyLaff: 11:41pm On Dec 29, 2017 |
LotusFan:Dont have to be a Christian, to be tolerated If God can tolerate each and every religion man can devise up what is me, a mere human, who is much much more lesser than God. "I may disagree with what you have to say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it" - Voltaire 1 Like 3 Shares |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Ducking Out Of Church by MuttleyLaff: 11:33pm On Dec 29, 2017 |
analize701:Yes, according to Jesus, there is |
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