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Christianity Etc › Re: A Question From The Bible "Elijah" by MuttleyLaff: 10:14pm On Jan 09, 2018
jeruzi:
please remove the scriptural analysis from your post.
If you had done a search before posting you would have found out that this has been flogged before
My dear mystic friend there on the other thread too relied on hearsay
Christianity Etc › Re: A Question From The Bible "Elijah" by MuttleyLaff:
jeruzi:
Greetings fellow believers.
As Christians, we all have been taught many stories from the Holy Bible as a child, we also have grown to read them on our own.

I want to ask a question and I want you to drop your answer without checking the Bible.

After you drop your answer, then you can confir from the Bible.

Question
By what means did God take Elijah to heaven?

A) Chariot of Fire
B) Whirlwind
C) Angel
D) Disappearance

Try not to modify your answer.
Answer: 2Kings 2:11
Elijah was translated in a whirlwind or tornado if you like, and not with or by any chariot
Christianity Etc › Re: Please What Is Wrong With Christianity In Nigeria by MuttleyLaff: 9:51pm On Jan 09, 2018
petra1:
But thats how it has always been even in the old testament.
every one has the choice to do or not to do.
no one put a gun on the head of another
Oh-oh, so what's all this "insurance policy" talk we are now hearing about then?
Why all these scaring tactics, be under on curse, be tight if you dont tithe emotional and psychological horror stories to frighten, disturb or unsettle non ecclesiastical monitised tithe giving?
Christianity Etc › Re: Please What Is Wrong With Christianity In Nigeria by MuttleyLaff: 9:21pm On Jan 09, 2018
Statsocial:
Lol the way some people talk about this tithing thing as though it is a Nigerian invention never ceases to amaze me.
Its not a Nigerian invention, yeah
but certain Nigerians have put it on heads like shrimps
Christianity Etc › Re: Tithing Is An Insurance Against Satanic Encroachment - Mathew Ashimolowo by MuttleyLaff: 5:44pm On Jan 09, 2018
Christianity Etc › Re: Parable Of The Rich Man And Lazarus: What Was The Sin Of The Rich Man? by MuttleyLaff: 11:16pm On Jan 08, 2018
Emmanystone:
Good sermon, thank you very much. BUT, your sermon seem to dwell on monetary wealth only.

Wealth is not necessarily the cash one has or poverty the lack of it. They are very wealthy people who are not as rich monetarily and they are very wealth men who do not have cash.

In the Kingdom of God, things are not the way they are in the secular world.

If you ask me, i'd say, the Rich man didn't end up in hell or Hades because he didn't feed Lazarus, Yes, he should have, but that was not his only fault. What was his motive for not doing it? Motive is what YHWH will primarily use to judge us. Why did you do it?

I'd say, he didn't do it because of his PRIDE OR HAUGHTINESS.

When you consider yourself better than the next person, then you have a problem with YHWH. If it were just a matter of giving, am sure if a man or woman of his status showed up in his house while at table, he'll insist that the person joins him. But, Pride was his undoing.

The Issue is Pride. His condescending attitude did not allow him consider that Lazarus was human just as he was.

And, Listen, when you stand preaching the Gospel but take a position to condemn another preacher, you invalidate your position. because, you are not called into that ministry by the master. Anyone who stands on others to be seen, will eventually fall.

If you take time to listen to the so called Prosperity preachers, you'd understand that, they try to go beyond 'the life of Jesus' which was offered as a propitiation for us, to the PRINCIPLES OF JESUS which he taught us what to do and how to do it to occupy this earth until his return.

If you decides to end at 'the Life of Jesus' without applying 'the Principles of Jesus', then be okay with that, instead of criticizing those who goes further.

The Rich man didn't go to hell because he was Rich and Lazarus didn't end up in the Bossom of Abraham because he was poor. All of them had attitudes which propelled their actions while alive, and that determined where they both ended.

As much as Jesus said 'The Poor shall not cease in our midst', we as Christians are also enjoined to work with our own hands. The Bible says 'A lazy man should not be given food. He that does no work, shd not eat.

Why was Lazarus poor? Was he sick hence, could not work with his hands or just lazy? I believe in Lazarus's case he was sick, so can be excused. But if not, he had no right to go to the rich man's house to beg.

Bottomline, poverty is not a mark of Holiness, for poverty is a spirit and it is evil.
Jesus said, 'Let the poor say i am rich'.
Why is that?
My sister, don't worry about it, as I know it was an honest mistake.
I think you're mistaken Don Moen for Jesus

Emmanystone:
Again, Riches or wealth is not a mark of Sin.
Anyone who workd hard will be wealthy. A believer or an unbeliever. Sowing and reaping happens to both.

There's no father of faith who was poor and a begger.
Is it Abraham, or Jacob? ot Joseph, or who?

Stop preaching a wrong gospel pls.

If we work hard, especially if you are rightly planted and in a good soil, doing what pleases God, He'll prosper you and you'd leave substance for your offspring.

Poverty is sin.

Shalom.
I think the rich man in that parable is guilty of James 4:17 -"To him therefore who knows to do good, and does not do it, to him it is sin."

I beg your indulgence sister, what is/are the purpose(s) for wealth?
What do you make of Luke 6:24 - "But woe to you rich men, for you have received your comfort!"?
What do you make of Matthew 23:35 - "For I was hungry, and you fed me. I was thirsty, and you gave me a drink. I was a stranger, and you invited me into your home."

Emmanystone:
Poverty is sin.

Shalom.
Poverty is a state of being extremely poor
but is poor or ordinary poor too, a sin?
Politics › Re: How Yusuf Buhari Lived His Life In UK by MuttleyLaff: 7:08pm On Jan 08, 2018
Ishilove:
But he was drag racing with a super expensive power bike?
That doesn't seem very austere to me.
What an irony.

Your white washing job doesn't quite fool me, woman.

Any how, I wish him speedy recovery, his father's sins notwithstanding
Samusu:
there are Powerbike groups in Abuja,
and they hire bikes to their members
Ishilove is vindicated,
it has emerged that Yusuf apparently acquired these expensive power bikes secretly
Culture › Re: "Killer Herdsmen Are Like Nigerians": Pastor Shares Accident Scene Experience by MuttleyLaff: 9:07pm On Jan 07, 2018
Troblem:
smiley
Three things i observed obviously,
1)Emotions_
2)Religion
3)Cowards
that man lost his life for these 3 reasons up there

Op why where you petrified over the death of a man who should have stug at his forehead for being so unmeticulous.

Death comes to us all.
The very purpose of life is to end, it takes different forms
and there are multitudinous ways to die, i just don't get why so much emphasy is laid on its transit mechanism.
Why cry, wail n grief over the death of any1 tha was once alive.
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Christianity Etc › Re: Please Can Anybody Explain This? Am Not Here To Argue! by MuttleyLaff: 3:43am On Jan 07, 2018
WORDWORLD:
Your comment has only added to its review as so far what you have read. Thanks for sharing your view lol.
It's the truth, told you we can exchange notes if you wish after I am done reading it
Christianity Etc › Re: Please Can Anybody Explain This? Am Not Here To Argue! by MuttleyLaff:
WORDWORLD:
Al-masseh is a title its not a name in essence
Glad to hear, you know, it isnt a surname, last name or family name
Al-masseh, pre-Islamic Arabia, originally known as Mashiach in Hebrew, and Christ in English, means, the Anointed One
The One Anointed for a purpose, for a reason, for a mission

WORDWORLD:
Lol, laugh wan fall me down "UNIMPRESSIVE REVIEWS".
Okay o..lol. well its there and there is nothing you can do about it.
Why the vexation about posting reviews about a book you by yourself choose to read.
Is it out of contempt your are reading the book or interest?
well as i told you the remaining one million find it impressive.
Out of courtesy, I downloaded the book after you said it influenced you
and immediately started reading it, even before you ever dreamt up an idea to be posting reviews about it

WORDWORLD:
Someone who is shallow, and superficial will always interprete his or her reading supperficially ignoring DETAILS.
A profoundly deep person approaches it with profundity, trying as much as possible to grasp the message and more than the message to understand the MOTIVE.
An arrogant person approaches his readings with arrogance and looks for passages or sentences to justify his or her arrogance.
SEEKERS AFTER TRUTH approach a book or writing with the TRUEST, PUREST LIGHT their heart can give and INTELLECTUAL CAPACITY, hence with CONSCIENCE and are CONSCIETIOUS.
Read the above looking at a mirror, to see who this is talking about

WORDWORLD:
Do have a good read.
The book so far is like watching paint dry
Christianity Etc › Re: Please Can Anybody Explain This? Am Not Here To Argue! by MuttleyLaff: 2:52am On Jan 07, 2018
WORDWORLD:
Yes it is necesssary.
Why because THE FORUM is not all about me and you but a million and one people.
so if you think its not necessary as the one individual am discussing with directly, I FOR ONE HAVE IN MY MIND THAT THE REMAINING ONE MILLION DO, AND ARE SO GRATEFUL
Please dont try and be too clever by half.
I had already told you, I have the book, that I am reading reading it and we could exchange notes if you wish
so why particularly mentioning me and sending me unimpressive reviews

WORDWORLD:
And sure the name Jesus is not the ORIGINAL Hebrew but Yeshua.
And in Arabic he is call Issa.
You are repeating what I earlier said that: "Jesus' name actually is Yehoshua or Yeshuah"

Yes, in Arabic, He is called Issa, also known as Al-Maseeh
So in essence, Issa Al-Maseeh is Yeshuah Mashiach, Jesus Christ, Saviour the Anointed One
Christianity Etc › Re: Please Can Anybody Explain This? Am Not Here To Argue! by MuttleyLaff: 2:19am On Jan 07, 2018
WORDWORLD:
I like the solace which laces your response full of tranquility.
Unlike they FANATICS and LUNATICS i come across in this sections. I havent visited this section for a long while.
All that i know is that Jesus is mentioned in Matthew along as his purpose which is to save his people from their sins.
The purpose but not the meaning
Jesus' name actually is Yehoshua or Yeshuah and it means Salvation
Incidentally, there is one Being who is known as our Salvation

WORDWORLD:
Here are some reveiws of the book: Islam and the Destiny of man.
Were the pluggings necessary?
Afterall, I did tell you, I've already got the book, that I am readng it, and we can exchange notes if you wish
Christianity Etc › Re: Please Can Anybody Explain This? Am Not Here To Argue! by MuttleyLaff: 1:38am On Jan 07, 2018
WORDWORLD:
I get you clearly. Which i must ask this question.
What about the remaining parts of the world. Were there nobody sent to them but only the Jews.
While we are all created by the same God. I mean before the coming of Jesus Christ.
Its like the Bible is all about the Jews alone, which is more like a monopoly of faith.
No, the Jews, just happened to be the starting point.
No, it's the Jews first, then the rest of the world
Someone has to be first, the Jews happened to have found themselves in that position
Dont be envious, dont be jealous, dont hate
WORDWORLD, you really need to first find out what the name of Jesus means
Put some effort to finding out please,
please dont make me do the donkey work for you, dont make me spoon feed a grown man
Christianity Etc › Re: Please Can Anybody Explain This? Am Not Here To Argue! by MuttleyLaff: 1:30am On Jan 07, 2018
WORDWORLD:
You are not answering my question
I am not ignoring your question
Remember I asked you first the question

WORDWORLD:
Am honestly here to learn
Effort is the best indicator of an interest to learn
Tell me what you've learned about the name Jesus?
What do you know about the name and person Jesus?
I'd appreciate the effort, no matter how silly, wrong or ignorant it is, I'd appreciate the effort

WORDWORLD:
DO YOU KNOW WHAT CHANGE MY PERSPECTIVE.
I read a book tittle: Common grounds between Buddhism and Islam.
And it really got me thinking how we so much have missed seeking to understand each other.
And also another book by a former Agnostic.
Islam and the Destiny of man. THESE ARE GREAT BOOKS TO READ.
I am reading the Charles Le Gai Eaton now.
and we can exchange notes later, if you wish

WORDWORLD:
Well, why should we turn this to a guessing game
You never know
You might stumble on the answer whilst guessing

WORDWORLD:
When i intentionally asked you to back your answer up with an authenticity from the Bible in order to make you answer not a fantasy but a FACT.
It is in the bible, black and white, what the meaning of Jesus means WORDWORLD.

WORDWORLD:
So why should it become a game of conjecture.
Not a guessing game, but out of consideration, that option was offered you
Christianity Etc › Re: Please Can Anybody Explain This? Am Not Here To Argue! by MuttleyLaff: 1:04am On Jan 07, 2018
WORDWORLD:
Because the Jews are his first point of contact. I get you now.
You see if only we work hard towards understanding one another we will all live in peace.
It could have been the Ibos, could have have been the Ijaws, could have been the Hausas, could have been the Yanks, it could have been any particular race of people,
but fortunately for the Jews, it was them

When you sit down to eat a plate of rice,
you scoop your first spoonful from anywhere on the plate, and afterwards reach to other parts of the plate, dont you?
So it happened with the Jews, they were the first spoonful scoop
Christianity Etc › Re: Please Can Anybody Explain This? Am Not Here To Argue! by MuttleyLaff: 12:55am On Jan 07, 2018
WORDWORLD:
Mutteylaff what is the meaning of the name Jesus. Honestly I DONT know.
Please kindly tell me with reference pleases from the Bible like Emanuel is defined as "GOD IS WITH US". I will be glad.
TRUTH BE TOLD THERE IS NO HANKY-PANKY HERE!!!
Its a quest to sincerely increase in knowledge.
WORDWORLD, try to attempt
Take a wild guess
If you give a wrong answer, then it'll be the right answer in search of a different question.
Christianity Etc › Re: Please Can Anybody Explain This? Am Not Here To Argue! by MuttleyLaff: 12:42am On Jan 07, 2018
WORDWORLD:
You mean the criteria is because Zacchaeus is the son of Abraham?!
No, WORDWORLD,
Salvation is from the Jews
It is the power of God at work, saving everyone who believes--the Jew first and also the Gentile
Christianity Etc › Re: Please Can Anybody Explain This? Am Not Here To Argue! by MuttleyLaff: 11:54pm On Jan 06, 2018
WORDWORLD:
Guys am still seeking to know your views.
Please is the believe in Jesus dying for the sins of mankind and EXCULSIVE concept called SALVATION.
That is unless he dies for the sins of mankind there is no salvation?!
muttelylaff, enilove, petra1, anonyNymous, twosquare, butterflylion, adepeter2027, dohgon, emmanystone, ferisidowu.

My reason for asking is because of these verse in the Book of Luke in the Bible about a certain Zacchaeus.
I want you to note what Jesus said to him in verse 9.

Luke 19:1-9 New International Version (NIV)
Zacchaeus the Tax Collector
1Jesus entered Jericho and was passing through.
2A man was there by the name of Zacchaeus; he was a chief tax collector and was wealthy.
3He wanted to see who Jesus was, but because he was short he could not see over the crowd.
4So he ran ahead and climbed a sycamore-fig tree to see him, since Jesus was coming that way.
5When Jesus reached the spot, he looked up and said to him,
“Zacchaeus,. come down immediately. I must stay at your house today.”
6So he came down at once and welcomed him gladly.
7All the people saw this and began to mutter, “He has gone to be the guest of a sinner.”
8But Zacchaeus stood up and said to the Lord, “Look, Lord! Here and now I give half of my possessions to the poor, and if I have cheated anybody out of anything, I will pay back four times the amount.”
9Jesus said to him,
“Today salvation has come to this house, because this man, too, is a son of Abraham


Jesus didn't say SALVATION will come to this house after I die.
But "TODAY" while he is still alive.
Could it not be that SALVATION is NOT an exclusive concept that unless one believe Jesus died for the sins of mankind that one is saved? SALVATION AS FROM THE LIPS OF JESUS SAID "TODAY" WHILE SPEAKING WITH ZACCHEAUS, FOR ZACCHAEUS WAS OF GOOD CONDUCT.
Am trying to understand please. NO INSULTS. And if anyone finds the question to be silly they should bother to answer.
Thank you very much for your patience.
WORDWORLD, let's start from the edge of the plate, shall we
What's the meaning of the name Jesus?
What conversation happened at Luke 19:5
Who at Luke 19:9 turned up at Zacchaeus' house?
Have you managed to join the dots together now?

The latter part of Luke 19:9 (i.e. because he, too, is a son of Abraham) is reaffirmed in Romans 1:16
Christianity Etc › Re: Please Can Anybody Explain This? Am Not Here To Argue! by MuttleyLaff: 11:02pm On Jan 06, 2018
AnonyNymous:
I thought the difference between sin and sins was that one is singular and the other is plural. The more you know, huh? grin grin grin
Just as Petra1 has said, the singular sin, is inherited sinful, flawed fallen from grace nature
The plural sins, is the gamut of badness, a range or different sorts of behaving badly as it were
Christianity Etc › Re: Please Can Anybody Explain This? Am Not Here To Argue! by MuttleyLaff: 10:41pm On Jan 06, 2018
WORDWORLD:
Funny you.
Well i wish you the very best in your walks of life.
Do take good care of yourself.
You see how everything pans out
and how easy situation(s) do take good care of themselves.
I wish you that you walk steps in life that are ordered by your Owner.
Christianity Etc › Re: If God Created Man In His Image Then, He Must Have Created Himself By Dust by MuttleyLaff: 9:59pm On Jan 06, 2018
hopefulLandlord:
of course, last I checked, he sent lying spirits to Ahab's prophets
God doesn't send lying spirits.
Go recheck properly hopefulLandlord, He permitted lying spirits have free rein with Ahab.
Nothing happens without His knowledge, nothing goes or gets past Him.
Without His authorisations, without clearance from Him, it is pointless embarking on a mission
Christianity Etc › Re: Please Can Anybody Explain This? Am Not Here To Argue! by MuttleyLaff: 8:37pm On Jan 06, 2018
WORDWORLD:
WHAT IS THE ESSENCE OF JESUS DYING FOR OUR SINS IF MAN WOULD STILL BE PUNISHED FOR COMMITING SINS. OF WHAT BENEFIT IS HIS DEATH TO SINNERS WHOM HE HAS DIED FOR IF THEY STILL WILL BE PUNISHED?
I DONT GET IT REALLY!!! WHAT IS THE ESSENCE?
WHAT IS THE BENEFIT?
THIS IS WHAT I WANT TO UNDERSTAND
WORDWORLD, enilove has posited the essence, the benefit as it were.
So you have it, Jesus died in our place and suffered for our sins, so we won't have to die and suffer.
No human being is going to be judged in absence of a due process safeguard
Do you understand now?
You'll explain yourself, explain every thought, word and action.
If you can afford it, then hire an attorney to defend you
If you haven't the money to hire one, then there is the option of free legal aid, where the equivalent of a SAN will be assigned you, which of course, can be declined, like most would do.
Christianity Etc › Re: If God Created Man In His Image Then, He Must Have Created Himself By Dust by MuttleyLaff: 7:44pm On Jan 06, 2018
purem:
God formed man by dust

God created man in his own image

Then God must have created himself by dust

Erm cracking my brain right now
asuustrike2009:
God is spirit( John 4:24)
To say that God is spirit is to say that God the Father is invisible. Colossians 1:15 calls God the “invisible God.” First Timothy 1:17 praises God, saying, “To the King of the
ages, immortal, invisible, the only God, be honor and glory forever and ever.”
Even though God is spirit, He is also a living, personal being. As such, we can know Him personally. Joshua 3:10 speaks of God in this way, saying, “You will know that the living God is among you.” Psalm 84:2 declares, “My heart and flesh sing for joy to the living God” (ESV).
God breath is spirit on mortal man to become a living being.

When mortal man dies his body goes back to dust
while his spirit faces judgment
The underlined emboldened is wrong

The body returns back to being dust,
the spirit goes back to God
and it's soul that awaits, to face judgement
Christianity Etc › Re: CHURCH VS CONGREGATION Congregation Was Yahshua Creation, Church A Creation Of by MuttleyLaff:
OkCornel:
@ OP, nice work there. God bless you.

I am someone who does not believe the entirety of the Bible especially translated versions outside of Geneva 1599 and KJV in it totality.
Even Geneva 1599 and KJV would still have certain translational errors just like some of which you have pointed out.

I am really sad to see how the written TRUTH has been subtly twisted and corrupted over time...

A little of dosage of lies mixed with the TRUTH becomes a potent combination for deception.
This has been the strategy of the serpent since the fall of man.

The time for restoration has come... God help us all...
But if I tarry long,
that thou may know how it is expedient to behave thyself in the house of God,
which is the congregation
{Gr. ekklesia – called out ones} of the living God,
the pillar and base of the truth.

- 1 Timothy 3:15 Jubilee Bible 2000


For all it's worth, it's necessary and important to be familiar with this word "church"
because as we start to read about or know things done in the past,
we can begin to learn from them, learn a thing or two, would have become wiser and wise enough to make re-adjustments, where if applicable, to our theology


To start with and as a matter of fact, "ekklesia" is the proper and correct noun word for believers called out and/or gathering together, which the word "church", as it is, presently or currently represents.

"Ekklesia" actually, is a Greek word,
which in Athens and in most Greek poleis
(i.e. Greek cities or states) means an assembly of demo
(i.e. yes, demo, is Greek for people, as like the demo in democracy)

"Ekklesia" is an assembly of summoned free people or gathering of those summoned.
The word is derived from “ekkletos” meaning summoned and “ekkaleom” meaning to summon or call out.

"Ekklesia" in Strong's Greek Concordance, is defined as "an assembly, congregation, the whole body of Christian believers"
and says it’s formed from a compound of "ek" which means "out of or out from and to" and a derivative of "kaleo" which means "to call or a calling"

"Ekkletoi" refers to the called-out inhabitants or citizens of Athens or any of the Greek poleis, assembled together, as a result of a call out request done by a herald, announcer or town crier.

"Ekklesia" appears 114 times in the NT.
It first appeared in
Matthew 16:18,
and that's where it was first mentioned and first used by none other than Jesus
Now here's a sense of biblical déjà vu repeating itself , Eve out of Adam, Israelites out of Egypt etc
and this is, God, again, in the person of Jesus Christ doing a "call out from... and to assembly"

"Ekklesia" as far back in the Old Testament wilderness, has always been an assembly or congregation of called-out people
(i.e. Acts 7:38 is referring to the congregation in Deuteronomy 9:10)
and it's no different in the original Greek New Testament whether in non-secular and secular capacities
(i.e. Matthew 16:18, Acts 7:38 non-secular and Acts 19:32, 39 and 41 for secular)
Notice in Acts 19:32, 39 and 41, that "ekklesia" is used three times, for people not connected with religious or christian matters, assembling or gathering together.

This so far, is showing that
, "ekklesia" represents something totally different to what we've commonly perceived what "church" is.

Also, the true meaning, import or connotation of "ekklesia" is lost or eroded when it is used or translated to/as "church"

"Ekklesia" isn't about physical structures, and the Greeks; originators of the word, never referred it, to be a building or place of worship, so at least Freeze got something right

At this juncture, some might say, all this etymology stuff is bunkum and time wasting, it's nitpicking over minute details, and that it's pedantic fault-finding or say church or ekklesia, whatever the noun used, it doesn't matter.
Others like damosky12, delighting in their ignorance(s), could say, church or ekklesia, it makes no difference,
it's much ado about nothing and so what's the big deal.

Well, FYI, in 1526 AD, William Tyndale's New Testament, was the first New Testament printed in the English Language
and the fact about this translation, is that, not a single occurrence of the word
"church" is found used for congregation in it.

William Tyndale did however, use the word "church" twice in Acts 14:13 and Acts 19:37 for something else.
It was in reference to pagan Temples
; "ekklesia" wasn't used in either of those verses mentioned.

Then Iupiters Preste which dwelt before their cite brought oxe and garlondes vnto the churche porche and wolde have done sacrifise with the people
- Acts 14:13 William Tyndale.

Zeus' temple was at the entrance to the city. The priest of the god Zeus brought bulls with flowery wreaths around their necks to the temple gates. The priest and the crowd wanted to offer a sacrifice [to Paul and Barnabas].
- Acts 14:13 GOD'S WORD® Translation.

For you have brought here these men, who are neither robbers of temples, nor yet blasphemers of your goddess.
- Acts 19:37 King James 2000 Bible

For ye have brought hyther these me whiche are nether robbers of churches nor yet despisers of youre goddes.
- Acts 19:37 William Tyndale
.

Tyndale recognised, "ecclesia or ekklesia" to be congregacion or congregation of "called out people" who are believers
and that churches were buildings for religious practices or purposes, and this includes Jewish or pagan temples.

So, in this first English New Testament translation print, congregation originally was in the place where
"church" is presently or currently found in most English translations.

In the beginning, building(s) was what "church" was original identified as,
but now, it's obvious and no denying that
, "church" is prevalently also called or known as the body of Christ.
Examples of other churches
, we have, as of today are:
The Church of Scientology, Church of Wicca, The National Church of Bey (i.e. Beyonce), Church of Satan,
The Sunday Assembly (i.e. an atheist church), The Church of Humanity etcetera.

1557 AD was the first time "ekklesia" was translated as "church" by William Whittingham in the Geneva New Testament produced, subsequent bible translations, KJV included, began having "church" used to describe people and their place of congregation or place of meetings too
From then to the present, the norm now is
, "church" erroneously is the physical structure and people assembling together
Examples of this error and where are: Matthew 16:18, Acts 14:23, James 5:14

In the NT, we are used to knowing synagogue also to be an equivalent name of the building used for assembling in or congregating in, but the Greek word "sunagogé" means "coming together" and could imply a meeting (i.e. gathering together) rather than a building (i.e. Acts 13:43, James 2:2);
so synagogues were simply gatherings that took place outdoors or in people’s houses or courtyards
(i.e. refer to 2 Thessalonians 2:1 or Hebrews 10:25 Greek Text Analysis for more details)
TB Joshua’s set-up, calls itself synagogue,
but then for good measure, appends the word "church", making it: The Synagogue, Church Of All Nations (i.e. SCOAN)

The English word "church" on it's self, actually has pagan origins.
It's a derivation from the Old English word
cir(i)ce, cyr(i)ce, related to the Anglo Saxon circay, kirk in Scottish, the Latin circus/circulous, Dutch kerk, or German Kirche.
These words all have associations with "gathering in circles"
and researches showed that most pagan religions meetings have worshippers/attendees gathered together round in prayer circles.

This information gives some insight into Tyndales' understanding
and the reason why Tyndale selected the word
"Church" to refer to buildings; pagan temple(s) included
and consciously using congregacion (i.e. congregation) to mean "ekklesia"

Why was a totally unrelated word to ekklesia, substituted for ekklesia? (i.e. like in Job 14:4)

As so far noticed, the word "Church" has varied origins and different meanings to what we're accustomed to,
but the word in Latin for
ekklesia is also ekklesia,
so, if Latin in the absence of a proper word, managed to retain the word ekklesia,
why couldn't the "called out ones" who translated, retain it too?

In light of all these information, why the word "church", is falsely used in place of Christ's ekklesia leaves one literally open-mouthed
No doubt, there are strong indications of foul-play somewhere down the history lanes of church
,
as "church" DOESN'T COME from the original Koine Greek word ekklesia.
Christianity Etc › Re: CHURCH VS CONGREGATION Congregation Was Yahshua Creation, Church A Creation Of by MuttleyLaff:
nicemuyoo:
True, I experienced such assemble years back during my NYSC service,
where we have fellowship everyone were of like minds no clergy/laity division.
People gave, laboured to encourage each other and spread the Gospel.
It was a lovely time.
It is comforting knowing there are kindred spirits out there

Some will find it unbelievable that a careful and objective study of the bible
will show that early believers' gathering were led by a team of elders (i.e. senate of the presbyters, as it were)
and by not a single believer pastor, prophet or apostle, as presently is seen

Share the experience and lovely time more, go into greater details the experience
How long did this experience during the NYSC service fare for?
When did it, why did it, how did it peter out?
What stopped it being continued?
Why wasnt it replicated elsewhere after the NYSC service?
Christianity Etc › Re: The Science Agenda To Exterminate Blacks by MuttleyLaff:
Emmanystone:
Can you people say how religion makes these White Scientists kill the blacks?
Cornelius is testament that one can achieve the goal of finding God by religion, that's true and approved by Him

For some, football is not just a sport, it is more than that, it's a religion and Saturday is the holy day of obligation

Religion, whether true or false, whether approved or not by approved by God, whether sinister or not,
always, is a pursuit, an interest, a belief or an activity,
that is very important to a person or group, followed with great and unwavered devotion


White Scientists with partners and/or collaborators religiously sticking to whatever the agenda might be
Christianity Etc › Re: The Science Agenda To Exterminate Blacks by MuttleyLaff: 3:13am On Jan 02, 2018
Emmanystone:
I know, but you have a local assembly yeah?
Matthew 18:20 does me fine nicely
Health › Re: Remedy Needed For This Serious Skin Condition by MuttleyLaff: 6:39pm On Jan 01, 2018
holafloyd:
Dermatologist in the house kindly help on how to treat this serious skin condition. A lot of drugs and treatment has been prescribed and used and still no big changes.
I have used 20% SSA, Momento loratidin tablet, Nizoral shampoo, Ketoconazole cream to mention but few...please kindly help on a lasting solution to this unpleasant skin condition.
What's your eating regime like?
List what your typical 7 day morning, afternoon and night food intake is, include whats been taken, like snacks, in between
When did the condition start?
Or have you had the condition from the cradle?
Does anyone else in your family apart from you or in family history suffer from this condition?
Is there anywhere else on your body, apart from your face/forehead with this condition?
Christianity Etc › Re: The Science Agenda To Exterminate Blacks by MuttleyLaff: 6:35pm On Jan 01, 2018
Emmanystone:
How does religion even come in here? So the rejection of God will be Africa's liberation against the white Man's imperialism?
Pls be real and share vital information and stop this God hatred.
I believe in God and i'm finding this information very vital. Someone said, dig your wells, and i agree. Do i need to hate God to see that i need to be aware and do what needs to be done?

I know there's a lot of Genetically Modified Foods in the market and they are very Cancerous. Now, do i need to hate God to know enough to stay away from apples or do a research to know what Genetically Modified Seeds are in the country right now to stay away from them?

Na wao for satan o. He attacks us through, sciencr, but turns around and wants us to reject God and turn to who nah.

Oga, reject God you hear? See how wonderful your science is doing for you.
delishpot:
So all what I said, just because you heard religion you believe that I reject God?
You can not distinguish between God and religion ba?
Have you not heard about people who support religion over love and mercy?
Those killing their family members for leaving the faith or those who wanted to stone the woman caught fornicating in the Bible,
what did they give as a reason for doing it? I detest hypocrites who are blinded beyond belief hiding behind religion.
Religion makes people do unspeakable things that their evil minds conceive. You sound wicked too.
Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this:
to look after orphans and widows in their distress
and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world.

- James 1:27

The truth. Enough said
Celebrities › Re: Waje Celebrates Tony Rapu On His 61st Birthday (Photos) by MuttleyLaff: 5:07pm On Jan 01, 2018
yeyerolling:
Pastor pikin yet got pregnant in her teens. Rabbish gal
kennygee:
Salvation is a personal thing, its not hereditary.
Some pastors kids are taught and brought up well, they just go astray, cause we have the power of Choice, God gave us that.
emusmithy:
Don't mind him. Some people talk because they feel they have to say something.
Fesomu:
you still carry your foolishness enter new year. Why bro?
007author:
Waje is an Olosho
She isnt his biological daughter nau abeggy
Christianity Etc › Re: Ducking Out Of Church by MuttleyLaff: 4:36pm On Jan 01, 2018
LoJ:
cheesy Thank you.
Let's make love for tonight.
We may continue war in 2018 grin
On the night, was yours done on a white flag

Emmanystone:
No more fighting. It's A New Dawn.
How will the peacemakers get blessed and be called children of God, if no more fighting
Christianity Etc › Re: The Science Agenda To Exterminate Blacks by MuttleyLaff: 3:57pm On Jan 01, 2018
Emmanystone:
Oh. Are you JW?
Nope.

That was a typo, mind transmitted "doesnt", but hand typed "does"
God is denomination-agnostic
so there is no denomination in the Kingdom

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