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Christianity Etc › Re: Uncountable Problems Of King James Version of the Bible by MuttleyLaff: 11:11pm On Dec 12, 2016

achorladey:
Galatians 3:24,25 Explain please?

²⁴so that the Law has become our trainer unto Christ, so that we might be justified by faith.
²⁵And faith having come, we are no longer under a trainer.
- Galatians 3:24-25

When growing up, our parents laid down the law that bedtime for us is 8pm during the week and 9-10pm on weekends
so that this laid down law turned out to be training us to respect and appreciate rest by going to bed at appropriate set times
and so that we might be justified by the discipline
and the discipline having obtained, we are no longer under the ''laid down law'' and its ''training''

We have reached adult status, we are no longer under training
implying that, we dont need to go to bed at 8pm during the week or 9-10pm on weekends anymore.
We can decide to go to bed before 8pm, go at 9-10pm, go after 9-10pm or even not sleep for the night
because we have come of age, we've matured and aren't any longer under training

Every law, whether divine law or parental law have purposes
For Galatians 3:24-25, its purpose was to produce a specific character or pattern of behavior (i.e. faith)
The parents laid down law's purpose was produce a specific character or pattern of behavior (i.e. discipline to how or know when to have a rest)

Once expected faith has been gradually but firmly established in a person's mind (i.e. soul) then the tutor is removed,
Once the discipline has been inculcated as anticipated, then the bedtime training goes out of the window, vanishing

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Christianity Etc › Re: Uncountable Problems Of King James Version of the Bible by MuttleyLaff: 10:19pm On Dec 12, 2016

Kalatium:
What?

Yeah, you heard right

Celebrities › Re: Teelbilz Stole Tyrese Post On Ig!! by MuttleyLaff: 11:22pm On Dec 11, 2016

Elkay3:
Lemme just dis unnecessary debate for once.

How do I know who stole from who? Evidence please.

Tyrese's IG post is 4 days old,
whilst the other chap IG post is 3 days old
but he DID give the credit to Tyrese with #VoltronChairman -Tyrese
https://www.instagram.com/p/BNu0M2-AMME/?taken-by=tyrese
https://www.instagram.com/p/BNu4OMLh-BX/?taken-by=teebillz323&hl=en

Christianity Etc › Re: Uncountable Problems Of King James Version of the Bible by MuttleyLaff: 10:13pm On Dec 11, 2016

Kalatium:
Sometimes the bible seems contradictory

It's true
and regrettable that the bible for casual & ill-informed reader(s), at times, if not, most of times, DOES seems contradictory

Celebrities › Re: Nigerian Born Jacob Banks Releases New Track Monster 2.0, Featuring Boogie by MuttleyLaff: 10:04pm On Dec 11, 2016

Silkmoth33:
Do u know how u sound like?

SMH. Since you're itching to tell, what's preventing you.

Politics › Re: Buhari's Friends Are Thinning Out After Cameron's Exit And Trump's Electoral Win by MuttleyLaff: 4:52pm On Dec 11, 2016*

GworoChewinMaga:
Cameron has declared his resignation ahead in October.

US elections set to see Trump emerge in November.

What will this portend for the tyrant of Aso Rock after Obama and David Cameron leave office and Hilary looses to Trump?

My prediction is that the West (US and UK) will be forced to address the issue of Buhari as a nuisance and despot.

Things are set to change drastically in the coming months.

Buhari, two years to end of this APC government tenure
and still nothing yet, to show for believing in all that cheap popularised ''change'' political mantra,
soon will have to restart his worldwide junketing, all over again
because the well known friends that he used a considerable time of the earlier part of his government gallivanting around the world to
either with begging bowls or towards aiming to forge relationships with them, are now thinning having left or leaving the world stage

In the picture below are some of Buhari's left, leaving the world stage or thinning ''friends'':
Angela Merkel, ''''President Michelle'' of ''West Germany'''' centre, is the last leader standing in this photo after David Cameron, far left,
and Italian prime minister Matteo Renzi, far right, resigned,
French President Francois Hollande, second right, decided not to seek re-election
and Barack Obama, second left, has come to the end of his second term

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Celebrities › Re: Nigerian Born Jacob Banks Releases New Track Monster 2.0, Featuring Boogie by MuttleyLaff: 2:40pm On Dec 11, 2016

Orikinla:
Nigerian Born Jacob Banks Releases New Track ’Monster 2.0’ Featuring Boogiel

Silkmoth33:
And what's the relevance of the emphasis on him being nigerian-born?

MuttleyLaff:
He is nigerian-born
from his parent having Nigerian nationality
He, however is a Brummie and ~~English born~~
albeit of Nigerian descent
I like his genre and the always entralling accompanying visuals

Silkmoth33:
u didn't even attempt to answer my question

I didnt because I first thought he was english born
Unlike me, OP correctly acknowledged Jacob Banks is Nigerian born
He is 24 and moved to England at age 13

The relevance of the emphasis on him being nigerian-born is celebration
- celebrating the Nigerian born factor
Taking great pride in him being Nigerian born,
taking pleasure and delight of his nigerianess
and appreciating the fact that contrary to popular consensus
not all nigerian born dupes, not all are scammers, fraudsters, mules, 419ers, kidnappers, armed robbers, quacks etcetera

Celebrities › Re: Nigerian Born Jacob Banks Releases New Track Monster 2.0, Featuring Boogie by MuttleyLaff: 10:23am On Dec 11, 2016

Silkmoth33:
And what's the relevance of the emphasis on him being nigerian-born?

He is nigerian-born
from his parent having Nigerian nationality
He, however is a Brummie and English born
albeit of Nigerian descent

I like his genre and the always entralling accompanying visuals

Christianity Etc › Re: How To Understand Mathew 10:34 by MuttleyLaff: 8:12am On Dec 11, 2016*

alBHAGDADI:
Mathew 10:34
34 “Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.

Did you read the above verse? That verse has been misunderstood by many people in this world.
Majority of them wonder why a well known peaceful man like Yahshua could utter such words.
Non-Christians have often used that verse out of context to say that Christ supports terrorism
and wasn't as peaceful as Christians portray him.

To understand the above verse, we have to understand certain things which will explain the verse better and show how misconstrued the verse has been in the hands of malicious people. Be patient enough to read the below story.

Kareem was born into a devoted Non-Christian family in the Middle East. He loved his God with all his earth and did his best to please him by not questioning the faith as restricted by his religion. However, he stumbled on a Christian book that changed him forever. He started seeing things differently. But the only problem he had was his family members and most especially his country. The punishment his religion prescribes for anyone that leaves it is DEATH.

His father was the first to notice that he has stopped praying and attending their religious house. When he was asked why, he remembered the words of Christ in Mathew 10: 33 which says

"But everyone who denies me here on earth, I will also deny before my Father in heaven."

Kareem couldn't help but confess to his father about his new faith. His father sparked with rage and went straight to the religious house. Little did Kareem know of what his father was up to. Two hours later, a large mob with sticks and stones were gathered in front of his house calling for his head for abandoning their religion. Thank God for the back door, he would have been dead by now. He still couldn't believe his father could want him dead for having a different religious opinion. END

Now that you've read the story, let's see how it relates to the verse. Remember I told you of how the verse is always quoted out of context by malicious people who quote that verse without reading further for more understanding. Let's see the verse again and the succeeding verses. Be patient enough to read through.

Mathew 10:34-39
³⁴ “Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.
³⁵ “For I came to SET A MAN AGAINST HIS FATHER, AND A DAUGHTER AGAINST HER MOTHER, AND A DAUGHTER-IN-LAW AGAINST HER MOTHER-IN-LAW;
³⁶ and A MAN’S ENEMIES WILL BE THE MEMBERS OF HIS HOUSEHOLD.
³⁷ “He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me; and he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me.
³⁸ “And he who does not take his cross and follow after Me is not worthy of Me.
³⁹ “He who has found his life will lose it, and he who has lost his life for My sake will find it.

From the above verses, we can see that the sword Christ was speaking of is the type that divides.
In the case of Kareem, his love for Yahshua the Messiah has divided or separated him from his family as he can no longer visit them cos doing that will be his death. He has decided to be worthy of Christ by obeying verse 37. Same thing applies when you are redeemed from a pagan family, their lifestyle will no longer make sense to you. They won't want you in their midst anymore. That is the division that the sword of Yahshua brings, not the sword that beheads or cuts human parts.

I hope you now understand the verse very well. If you still haven't, then ask yourself these questions:
1. How come he preached turning the other cheek?
2. How come he prayed for his killers while he was on the cross?
3. How come his message was always love?
4. How come he didn't kill anybody but ressurected a dead man?
5. How come he rebuked Peter for using a knife on a soldier whom he later healed?

Put on salvation as your helmet,
and take the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God
- Ephesians 6:17

The words of his mouth were smoother than butter, but war was in his heart:
his words were softer than oil, yet were they drawn swords
- Psalm 55:21

For the word of God is alive and powerful.
It is sharper than the sharpest two-edged sword,
cutting between soul and spirit, between joint and marrow.
It exposes our innermost thoughts and desires
- Hebrews 4:12

Frpm the three Ephesians 6:17 Psalm 55:21 and Hebrews 4:12 witnesses above,
it is gathered that the sword Jesus came to earth with, is a spiritual weapon
and this spiritual sword weapon, is the word of God

³For the lips of the adulterous woman drip honey,
and her seductive words are smoother than olive oil,
⁴but in the end she is bitter as wormwood,
sharp as a two-edged sword
- Proverbs 5:3-4

Note in Proverbs 5:3-4, that an immoral woman too uses seductive words, as sharp as a two-edged sword.

The sword, the word of God, whenever drawn out from its sheath, potentially can cause someone to feel resentful, be upset, turn hostile or get annoyed.

Jesus was merely giving a warning not to be surprised at how God's word will be at loggerheads with the status quo
It potentially will cause family rifts because family members will disagree and oppose strongly the word of God
Pseudo-religion practised and traditions of man taught contrary to the word of God fall on contact with the sword aka word of God

The matter is encapsulated by Isaiah 48:22, where it concludes with this one sentence
There is no peace," says the LORD, ''for the wicked''

Jesus wasnt talking about a literal sword in Mathew 10:34,
but was talking about the sword of the spirit, the word of God
which some can find unsettling, makes some restless, and/or gives some no joy to listen to or no peace to hear

alBHAGDADI:
I could go on and on...
and if at this moment you still dont understand the verse and entire passage,
then it means you are not being sincere with yourself.
Peace

Nothing to do with sincerety
but more to do with a combination of John 3:3 & 10
(i.e. dont understand from not being born from above and unfortunately being ignorant despite being ''learned'')

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Christianity Etc › Re: Why Was There Another Tabernacle In Heaven? by MuttleyLaff: 8:04pm On Dec 09, 2016

@Anas09
I first thought the reason we werent seeing your rear lights was because you were at Ota involved with "He ... that is to be sent" 2016
I saw what you posted above and have a screen grab of it
but its seems the content got you landed back,
afresh in the same unpleasant and embarrassing situation again, to get cooled off

I know you're Ms No Nonsense aka Ms Take No Prisoners
I think that's your spirit,
as you, at times, have an impetuous passion,
it especially comes out when you dont suffer fools gladly
BUT you need to be careful over how you type, so your typing doesnt come to bite you back
especially when sometimes like that ocassion, you didnt really mean what you typed,
as it was a spur of the moment and not a serious I-mean-it-that-way typed comment

What about if that k-word you used proved prophetic?
What you going to say if it does/did?
Good riddance to bad rubbish? Will it be that, Hmm? I dont think so
Afterall Pro 18:21 let us know that:
The ~~typing hand~~ tongue has the power of life and death...

The k-word in your original hidden post wasn't to be taken on face value
but Seun obviously doesnt take lightly to slip ups of such manners
and that's why the bot is averse to the use of the k-word
and will pull the automatic ''hide post+remove posting privilege'' trigger whenever it spots the use of the k-word

I could write more, but I dont want to find myself in the same banned position you currently are in

Christianity Etc › Re: The Universal Declaration Of Peace and Safety and the End Of Time. by MuttleyLaff: 10:56pm On Dec 07, 2016

MrPresident1:
Bros, those two witness are actually two groups of Apostles; the Apostles that preached to the Israelites, and the Apostles that went to the gentiles. These are the two witnesses, they are all Israelites, and they have done their work. And when they finished their work, they were overpowered and killed. They preached the gospel to the world in great peril and sorrow or in sackloth. Paul was beheaded by Nero, Peter was crucified upside down. Paul and Peter both represent this two groups of Apostles; the group to Israel, and the group to the gentiles.

Acts 1:8
But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you:
and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea,
and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

The beast that came out of the abyss is the revived Roman Empire. Killing them is also in a spiritual sense, initially they received power to preach the Word with signs and wonders following, but when their time was up, they were overpowered, when their preaching was done, the beast gained power over them.

Sodom and Egypt is the territory and dominion of the beast, where all beastly activities are carried out, it was where the Lord was crucified; it is where the Word of God died. It is the whole earth.

They are the black people of the world who have been spiritually killed, and their dead bodies have been lying on the surface of the earth this 1260 days. They are the ones in Ezekiel 37. The Spirit of God is returning to them now and they are rising from the dead; Christ the firstfruits.

⁹For three and a half days all peoples and tribes and tongues and nations will view their bodies
and will not permit them to be laid in a tomb.
¹⁰And those who dwell on the earth will gloat over them, and will celebrate and send one another gifts,
because these two prophets had tormented them.
¹¹But after the three and a half days, the breath of life from God entered the two witnesses,
and they stood on their feet, and great fear came over those who saw them.
¹²And the witnesses heard a loud voice from heaven saying, “Come up here.”
And they went up to heaven in a cloud as their enemies watched them.
¹³And in that hour there was a great earthquake, and a tenth of the city collapsed.
Seven thousand were killed in the quake, and the rest were terrified and gave glory to the God of heaven.
¹⁴The second woe has passed. Behold, the third woe is coming quickly.
¹⁵Then the seventh angel sounded his trumpet, and loud voices called out in heaven:
“The kingdom of the world is now the kingdom of our Lord and of His Christ,
and He will reign forever and ever.”
- Revelation 11:9-15

Doing this in instalments, so continue with Revelation 11:9-15 above from where you've stopped
As you ''dissect'', I want special attention given to verses 9-13

Christianity Etc › Re: The Universal Declaration Of Peace and Safety and the End Of Time. by MuttleyLaff: 8:58pm On Dec 07, 2016*

MrPresident1:
Oya nah bros,
let us dissect the yet unfulfilled prophecies, let us dissect them one by one.
I dey wait

Which one again concerns sango with an ancient Israelite from the House of David. NVM

³And I will grant authority to my two witnesses, and they will prophesy for 1,260 days, clothed in sackcloth.”
⁷When the two witnesses have finished their testimony,
the beast that comes up from the abyss will wage war with them, and will overpower and kill them.
⁸Their bodies will lie in the street of the great city — figuratively called Sodom and Egypt — where their Lord was also crucified.
⁹For three and a half days all peoples and tribes and tongues and nations will view their bodies and will not permit them to be laid in a tomb.…
- Revelation 11:3,7-9

Am more interested in these distinctively tough and powerful two witnesses
Wah gwaan wid dem?

Christianity Etc › Re: Seeing Demons, Angels, Fallen Angels, Spirits.. - Hsp's by MuttleyLaff: 11:51am On Dec 07, 2016

JMG1:
You are good at this

Only God is good
Are you a teacher ~~of Israel~~ and don't know these things?
and yet you do not understand these ''~~speaking in tongues~~'' things?

JMG1:
What I did when u started with me

It was you, just like how Oppy4God did, who first made an expressed demand or request for help on ''speaking in tongue''
so I did not start on or start with you but responded to each own's clarion call and told the truth

You ought to by now know, it is not my style to force people to see the truth,
am just to put the truth out there for those who diligently seek it
For some realisation of the truth can be instantaneous,
and for others it can take moments or years later

JMG1:
was to check my spirit
and let the Holy Spirit guide me into all truth, which he did

If you say so
and it's true the Holy Spirit guided you
and your spirit man received clear direction from the Holy Spirit, then I am pleased for you

JMG1:
I advice Oppy4God to do the same.
The Holy Spirit is our personal helper, go to Him and allow Him to lead you. Shalom

and that is why I asked her the question
if since she had that natural dream, had she, heard from God
or since after the natural dream, has she had any God-given positive dreams yet, related to it?

There is only one way to avoid being condemned for saying the truth: do nothing or say nothing
Please, nothing personal, only that, the call for the truth sometimes is too strong, to be ignored and left unsaid
Shalom

Christianity Etc › Re: Seeing Demons, Angels, Fallen Angels, Spirits.. - Hsp's by MuttleyLaff: 9:11am On Dec 07, 2016*

JMG1:
Oppy4God whenever you see muttleylaff comment on your post,
I advice you to just totally ignore him.
He is knowingly or unknowingly used by Satan to disrupt the congregation of the saints by bringing in false doctrine/teaching.
I had the same experience with you which I replied to in your post
Matthew: 5. 6. Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they will be filled. -

JMG1 you're desperately so predictable

Oppy4God, dont let JMG1 fool you, aint nothing wrong in what I posted
Forget whatever JMG1 has written to you or posted about me,
just examine with an open heart what I posted and judge the content on its own merits

Even if some, particularly like JMG1, considers the post ''disruptive'', you'll find the post still has more merit than JMG1's post,
whose posts or comments from being ill-informed, are mostly full of self-indulgent twaddle and empty rhetorics

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Christianity Etc › Re: Seeing Demons, Angels, Fallen Angels, Spirits.. - Hsp's by MuttleyLaff: 12:52am On Dec 07, 2016*

Anas09:
Hello dearly beloved, good day and happy sunday.

Well, Tongues are not suppose to make meaning to you. Have you read about it in the Bible?

Well, talking about the Holy Spirit and the experience in dreams. I once read a book about a Pakistani woman who the Holy Spirtit evangelized to in the early 70s when it was almost impossible for a missionary to preach the Gospel in Pakistan.
What the Holy Spirit did with her is similar to what you are experiencing.

Since there was no preacher or church to lead her to christ and teach her these things, She was seeing everything in her dreams and when she woke up, she saw the manifestations.

She was baptized in her Dream, recieved the Holy Ghost Baptism all in her dream,
Even before she was able to travel to anothet country to be baptized physically, the Holy Spirit Baptised her in her dream already.

Well. I may not be very correct, let me allow others.
Let me recommend the book for you to read.

I DARED TO CALL HIM FATHER by Bilquis Sheikh. Read it maybe it will help you. God bless.

Bro Oyeludef and bro Superior1 i miss you guys oo.

Godbless brother Charles

Oppy4God:
God bless, thanks so much.will get the book. May ur anointing never run down.

Its a good read
Wrote about supernatural dreams about perfumes, seeing John the Baptist, Satan and Jesus with a lot more other things
Though baptized in her dream, received the Holy Ghost Baptism all in her dream, and experienced peace and explosions of joy
yet strangely enough not a single mention of ''speaking in tongue'' in the entire book by Bilquis Sheikh.

Christianity Etc › Re: Seeing Demons, Angels, Fallen Angels, Spirits.. - Hsp's by MuttleyLaff: 12:52am On Dec 07, 2016

Oppy4God:
Bro Charles, Anas09, JMG1, temi4flash, hananHezron, nmandiosu, oyeludef, Tjayjosh, and others,
please I am in a situation which I think your experience can help me.

More than a year ago, a Sunday like this after coming from church and I had a nap.
I had this dream where I was speaking in tougue till I woke up

That dream you had, is what 's called an anxiety dream otherwise known as a natural dream
The content of such anxiety dreams usually is a direct reflection about something you've seen, watched, heard, listened to or wanted
and it stems from a want of, a struggle for, a fear of, a hope of, a hope for or a desire you have of, something.
Now because of the ambiguity over the ''something'',
it is the inner man otherwise known as your spirit man, that alerts your soul otherwise known as the carnal man
via the anxiety dream that what was dreamt about is concerning and needs getting dealt with

The spirit man's work at this point is just to warn,
it doesnt use anxiety dreams to give clear direction even if the warning is going to be heeded
because clear direction after given warning(s), only comes from God
and the clear direction will come in God-given positive dreams

Have you since that natural dream, you had, heard from God
or had any God-given positive dreams yet related to it?

Oppy4God:
Since then anytime am praying without talking (I meaning praying in my mind)

There are two ways to do ''praying in my mind''
1) Praying in your soul (i.e. mind) inaudibly
2) Praying in your soul (i.e. mind) inaudibly and synchronized with ''praying in the Spirit''

Oppy4God:
I will be able to speak in tougue for few minutes
but when I tried speaking it out I won't be able to

Think about this...
When you think with your mind, do you think in your mind in a particular dialect or specific language?
Same question, equally applies about when talking in dreams

Oppy4God:
Later when praying I will be able to say few words in tougue but it will sound like trash to me so I stopped

Rightly and wisely so, that you stopped

Oppy4God:
I remember narrating this my dream to bro Charles ( not my experience oo) he asked to go for water baptism.
I attend Rccg I had it this morning, after resurrecting with Jesus, the woman leading us in prayer was speaking in tougue,
I was able to say it out freely but it still sound like rubbish to me and like mine is different to others

and was all these ''speaking in tongue'' going on in a gathering exclusively of believers?
Did any understand the ''speaking in tongue'' uttered?
If no to above, was anyone interpreting the ''speaking in tongue'' uttered?

Oppy4God:
These are my questions
Is it possible to encounter holy spirit through dream

It is possible to have celestial visitations and/or encounter the Holy Spirit, in dreams.
Also possible to have, celestial visitations and/or audibly encountered Holy Spirit, as with in, eyes opened visions

Oppy4God:
Is my experience normal

Normal is relative
You experienced a little bit of whatever you allowed yourself to forcibly indulge in or tried

Oppy4God:
Will I be speaking in tongue for few minutes forever or will I improve

You will only improve
first, by unlearning ALL you've learned about ''speaking in tongue''
and then by starting, all over again, relearning ALL that needs to be known about ''speaking in tongue''

Oppy4God:
Hope am not forcing myself to speak it
Thanks

You are forcing yourself ''to speak it''
because you are mistaking ''praying in the Spirit'' with ''speaking of tongues''

''Praying in the Spirit'' is a different thing altogether to ''speaking of tongues''
The two are chalk and chese, they are not the same thing.

If you want to edify yourself and other believers carried along
then the gift of prophesy is rated higher than the gift of speaking of tongues
Do you accept that, the gift of prophesy is recommended to have preferably, than the gift of speaking in tongues?

Christianity Etc › Re: The Universal Declaration Of Peace and Safety and the End Of Time. by MuttleyLaff: 1:45pm On Dec 06, 2016

LordReed:
I want it to be clear so that tomorrow you won't turn back and say it is symbolic

MrPresident1:
The coming of Jesus, and the establishment of his kingdom is physical, real and tangible, it is not 'allegorical'.
All eyes will see him, including those who pierced him.
On or before 20th January 2016*.
There will just be a sound GBOAAAAA!!!
Then the earth will reel to and like a mighty drunken man, and it is the end of the wicked
Then Jesus will descend from the clouds of heaven, and his kingdom will be established forever

OK, it is not symbolic
OK, it will be physical, real, tangible and so not 'allegorical'.
but a lot of outstanding or yet fulfilled prophecies will need to be hurriedly and squashingly slotted
into the limiting window of time between now and on or before until Friday, January 20, 2017*

Christianity Etc › Re: Jesus is coming soon. This thread is for faithful watchmen by MuttleyLaff: 10:29am On Dec 06, 2016

MrPresident1:
Brethren, so that we may not lose focus, let us all turn this thread to our playground.
Post anything, let us chat, yab anybody, let us discuss, let it be right there before us, to serve as warning, to serve as reminder,
so that we will not sleep off, so that we will remain sober,
so that we remain awake to receive OUR GREAT MASTER as he arrives in the clouds of heaven.

Let us exhort one another: so much the more, as we see the day approaching
Scorners and scoffers are also very much welcome

KingEbukasblog, Anas09, EyeHateGod, 4EverGod, Ishilove, Muttkeylaff, LordReed

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Christianity Etc › Re: The Ancient Israelites Were BANTUS - Video & Textual Evidence by MuttleyLaff: 9:25am On Dec 06, 2016

Rossikki:
The bible is a HISTORY book

The bible is not only just a HISTORY book
the bible equally is a THEOLOGICAL book as well

Rossikki:
Like any other man-made work, it contains numerous flaws and contradictions,
which no sensible person should overlook on the altar of blind belief

There is a fix for this
and it is common knowledge what the remedy is for any alleged numerous flaws and contradictions

Rossikki:
Stop seeing it as a perfect 'holy' book penned by God

Not sure where out from you pulled, that a perfect 'holy' book was penned by God
The ''penned'' ever done by God was only on two ocassions
Once at Mount Sinai, with a finger on tablets (i.e. Exodus 31:18 & Exodus 32:16)
the other in Jerusalem, again with a finger but this time, on sand (i.e. John 8:6)

Rossikki:
Use your brain and stop asking the same daft questions over and over again

Dont be cruel 'cause MrPresident1 would never be that cruel to you

Rossikki:
If I get 50 novels or biographies from various sources and throw them into one 'book',
and ask you ''do you believe in my book or not?'',
that would be a really dumb question wouldn't it?

No, wouldnt necessarily be really a dumb question
Reply could be:
I believe in your ''book'' but I have some reservations in certain areas of it

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Was There Another Tabernacle In Heaven? by MuttleyLaff: 10:29pm On Dec 05, 2016*

Anas09:
Here we are told that, the Tabernacle Moses built was a replica of the real one in heaven.
He was shown the one in heaven and was asked to build a prototype

Not build a ''prototype''
but told build tabernacle based on the pattern or design shown him
(i.e. instructed to build it using the ''prototype'' shown him as a guide)

Anas09:
My question is,
Since the Holy of Holies was meant for atonements for sin, and there was no sin in heaven, and Adam was not even created then,
WHY WAS THERE A NEED FOR THAT TABERNACLE to be in heaven?

No sin in heaven, so the perfect place

Anas09:
The Bible says, that Jesus our eternal High Priest went to that Tabernacle with his own blood and offered it once for the since of the whole world

When you have a car flat tyre, what do you replace it with?
Is it with a truck's spare tyre, with a cycle's spare tyre or with another spare tyre having the same specs matching the flat tyres one?

The last Adam aka the second man aka Jesus Christ went with the only thing that keeps man alive BLOOD
The moment blood stop circulating the body, such body is called a dead meat

Anas09:
verse is saying is that, as the Purification is done here on earth, so also its done in heaven, only the heavenly purification and sacrifices are better than the earth's

The purification done here on earth once a year by sinful high priest(s) was a temporary practice
until the fulness of time when finally the perfect blood will be sprinkled in a perfect place that has no sin,
and paving way for the forgiveness of sins to be done once and for all for man

Anas09:
my question. Sin was committed on earth, why was they a need for a Tabernacle or the Atonement of Chist be done in heaven instead of earth

Earth is a sinful place that's why
Another short answer will be: God doesnt dwell in houses built by man's hand
I wanted talk more on ''Sin was committed on earth'' but I've restrained myself

Anas09:
You said, when Adam Fell something terrible happened to his blood,
can u pls throw more light on that?

You've probably heard some say after badly behaving people that their behaviour is due to being in the blood,
other set might say their bad behaviour is due to being in their genes or in their DNA

Well Adam's blood became corrupted after the fall
and its through the blood that every human being inherits sinful characteristics or nature from Adam
Remember Adam is a template, so whatever flaw Adam has, it is going to be passed on to his progenies or bloodline

Truthfully, conception starts when a man's sperm successfully fertilises a woman's egg leading to producing an embryo with blood formation
The DNA in the blood, rightly so, is called the blueprint of life,
as it contains instructions and all the information needed to make man what we are, from the way we walk, to which hand we write with etcetera

Go back and read the bits posted above, up there, on DNA, genes and chromosomes

Anas09:
Why was there a Tabernacle in heaven?

The ground is cursed because of Adam
The Tabernacle is there in heaven, was there in heaven, ready for the game changer ultimate sprinkling of unblemised blood

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Was There Another Tabernacle In Heaven? by MuttleyLaff: 9:20pm On Dec 05, 2016

Anas09:
Most of what you said i agree with, but that's not my query.
I started by stating that, the Tabernacle under discourse here is not the symbolized house/Tent/or body of whether Jesus or us humans.

The Tabernacle here is specifically the one which housed the Holy of Holies. The one Moses built in the Wilderness for the sacrifices for sin.

Here is what Hebrews says.

Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount.
Hebrews:8:5

Here we are told that, the Tabernacle Moses built was a replica of the real one in heaven. He was shown the one in heaven and was asked to built a prototype.

My question is,
Since the Holy of Holies was meant for atonements for sin, and there was no sin in heaven, and Adam was not even created then, WHY WAS THERE A NEED FOR THAT TABERNACLE to be in heaven?

The Bible says, that Jesus our eternal High Priest went to that Tabernacle with his own blood and offered it once for the since of the whole world.

See what what Hebrews said here.

It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these;
but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.
Hebrews:9:23

What the above verse is saying is that, as the Purification is done here on earth, so also its done in heaven, only the heavenly purification and sacrifices are better than the earth's.

See my question. Sin was committed on earth, why was they a need for a Tabernacle or the Atonement of Chist be done in heaven instead of earth.

You said, when Adam Fell something terrible happened to his blood, can u pls throw more light on that?

Why was there a Tabernacle in heaven?

You ask elaborate question(s)
and I dont even know how to start without risking leaving pertinent parts ignored or unattended to
Though small time now, you'll return back saying the reply post is too long nau
but I will try with blow for blow one liners
Must admit, some questions you asked have already been answered in the post
I will be addressing the BOLDED highlights and possibly adding little bit more info

Christianity Etc › Re: Null by MuttleyLaff: 8:21pm On Dec 05, 2016

pressplay411:
Did you read your own comment before posting?
You're just getting yourself more entangled even you must agree you're confusing yourself.

I do understand your plight

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Was There Another Tabernacle In Heaven? by MuttleyLaff: 8:13pm On Dec 05, 2016

Anas09:
E too long.abeg

Come easy, go easy
Nothing of great value or worth comes easy
Diamond, pearl, gold, oil, coal etcetera

Anas09:
i go try sha.

IMHO, you'll be sharper, if you sincerely do more than try

Christianity Etc › Re: Null by MuttleyLaff: 7:18pm On Dec 05, 2016

foladara777:
So the groom's father gives the date and the groom himself does not know the date?? Your analogy to Jewish wedding customs is dead on arrival

It is not for me to force people to see the truth,
am just to put the truth out there for those who seek it

foladara777:
And the Buhari analogy is also inconsistent with the Jesus- God brouhaha... If Aisha asks a question about the government from Buhari, Buhari might choose not to answer but if he says he does not know, then he is lying... He knows... So it's either Jesus is an entirely different person from God or he was lying when he said that he does not know but his father knows.

When it comes to government matter, there would be some things that Buhari in his capacity as Buhari the married, wouldnt know
Jesus was discussing with them as God the Son,
and according to the prevailing protocol at that time, which an Israelite or Jew equally of that time would understand,
only God the Father, being like a groom father, would know the time or date and would tell, not Him

foladara777:
... And exactly what is the true gospel preached...

The true gospel is about a heavenly Father and the Kingdom of God
It is about testifying the gospel of the grace of God

foladara777:
Is it r deeper life version that claims wearing trouser is a sin
or the Christ embassy's that says it's not about physical appearance??

You seem becoming nit picky with all this

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Was There Another Tabernacle In Heaven? by MuttleyLaff: 6:41pm On Dec 05, 2016

Anas09:
This is too long nah.

Nobi you ask long questions
I had to restrict and discipline myself trying to control making it short and simple without risking leaving out important facts

Anas09:
Where do you want me to start answering you now?

Take a pick from any of the 1, 2, 3 sections to start your answering from

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Was There Another Tabernacle In Heaven? by MuttleyLaff: 6:26pm On Dec 05, 2016

Anas09:
1. Why was there a need for a Tabernacle which housed the Holy of Holies,
where blood shd be offered in heaven, when it is on earth that sin was committed?

Kick off with synonyms for tabernacle
Synonyms for tabernacle are: a tent, body, an abode, dwelling, mansion, habitation.

Tabernacles house all sorts of things
We humans are housed in a tabernacle (i.e. our beings are housed in bodies otherwise called tabernacles)
The glory of God when God was with the Israelites in the wilderness, comes tempoparily to reside in the Holy of Holies housed in a Tabernacle
God, whilst on earth in the person of God, the Son, was housed in a tabernacle (i.e. body)

As a side note, the portable tabernacle used by the Israelites in their 40 years wilderness is not to be mistaken for the first temple in Jerusalem built by Solomon which had its own built tabernacle according to King David's design

Blood apparently from the Genesis 4:10 account has a voice, speaks and cries out against injustices

Once a year on the Day of Atonement the High Priest enters the Holy of Holies to sprinkle the blood of sacrificial animals for the atonement of sins

The shedding of blood on earth is meant to be a temporary once a year ritual practice
until the time matures for the one-time blood of Jesus Christ sprinkle for the atonement of man's sin
(i.e. time matured after Calvary)

Anas09:
2. When was that Tabernacle built?
Was it before or after the Fall of Adam?

Christ didn't go into a holy place made by human hands.
He didn't go into a model of the real thing.
Instead, he went into heaven to appear in God's presence on our behalf
- Hebrews 9:24

a minister in the holy places and in the true tabernacle, which the Lord has pitched, not man.
- Hebrews 8:2

The heavenly Tabernacle has been in existence before Adam and before the fall of Adam
It is where God dwells, the tabernacle is pitched in heaven, where God is present

Anas09:
3. Since the Word says, Blood is the only thing that can atone for sin which brought death, what is the connection between the sin Adam committed and shedding of blood which needed another blood for its atonement?

For the life of the flesh is in the blood:
and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls:
for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul
- Leviticus 17:11

because blood contains life.
I have given this blood to you to make peace with me on the altar.
Blood is needed to make peace with me
- Leviticus 17:11

because the life of any flesh is the blood itself.
Therefore, I'm saying to the Israelis that the blood of any flesh is not to be eaten,
because the life of any flesh is in its blood.
Anyone who eats of it is to be eliminated from contact with his people
- Leviticus 17:14

The connection has to do with DNA, genes and chromosomes
All these three are in the blood and play important roles
- DNA has the building block information "blue-print" of the cell
- Genes are units of heredity which are transferred from a parent to child(ren)
and used to determine some characteristics of the child(ren)
- Chromosomes determines whether to be male or female

Apart from DNA, genes and chromosomes, there is the role the blood circulatory system plays in us having good health
by delivering nutrients and oxygen to all cells and organs in the body
We all know the implication of having high blood pressure (HBP)
No need for epistles, Leviticus 17:11 and 14 plus the above, all ought to be self explanatory,
and confirm that the life of the flesh surely is in the blood.
Blood is important, very important
Jesus' blood is a game changer

The connection is the necessity for a last Adam, the second man whose new Template has an unblemished or untainted blood

Anas09:
Adam did not shed any blood

¹⁸For you know that it was not with perishable things such as silver or gold that you were redeemed from the empty way of life you inherited from your forefathers,
¹⁹but with the precious blood of Christ, a lamb without blemish or spot.
²⁰He was known before the foundation of the world, but was revealed in the last times for your sake
- 1 Peter 1:18-20

Its correct that Adam did not shed any blood,
but the problem is with the first man's flesh-template which became corrupt after the fall
and if the life of the flesh is in the blood, something terribly wrong happened in Adam's blood the moment he fell
Read the section above with the Leviticus 17:11 and 14 verses for extra details

Anas09:
how did blood come in and why was the Blood of Christ required to Atone for the sin of Adam?

From one man he has made every nation of humanity to live all over the earth.
He has given them the seasons of the year and the boundaries within which to live.
- Acts 17:26

When Adam sinned, sin entered the world.
Adam's sin brought death, so death spread to everyone, for everyone sinned
- Romans 5:12

¹⁷For the sin of this one man, Adam, caused death to rule over many.
But even greater is God's wonderful grace and his gift of righteousness,
for all who receive it will live in triumph over sin and death through this one man, Jesus Christ.
¹⁸Yes, Adam's one sin brings condemnation for everyone,
but Christ's one act of righteousness brings a right relationship with God and new life for everyone
- Romans 5:18

Adam, as earlier mentioned, is the body-template used for human beings
(i.e. human beings are progenitors from the body mold, pattern or guide used in forming Adam)
and we inherited the bad and the ugly when Adam sinned

According to the Law, nearly everything must be purified with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness

The sprinkled blood of Jesus Christ speaks a better word than the blood of Abel
or the sprinkled blood of Jesus Christ does a better work than the blood of sacrificied bulls, calves or goats

Jesus blood was conceived by God when the Holy Ghost came upon Mary
since Jesus' blood did not come from any earthly father, this means the sin nature from Adam couldn't be passed on to Him
Also Mary's blood, like any other pregnant mother's blood which doesnt mix with the foetus' blood, did not mix with Jesus' blood either
hence this means, we have a Jesus blood, free and independent of corrupted DNA and genes

Sin now has the Father's blood which flows in Jesus Christ and given to us to contend with
Sin is the sting that results in death, and the law gives sin its power.
Death, where is your sting? Grave, where is your victory?
Thank God that he gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

The blood of Jesus Christ is similar to replacing a corrupted Microsoft Word template ''normal.dot'' file with a new one
and having stored default settings such as font, font size, content of a file etc restored to the application,
in order to fix problems when creating new Microsoft Word documents seemed impossible due to the template ''normal.dot'' file being corrupted

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Christianity Etc › Re: Null by MuttleyLaff: 10:57am On Dec 05, 2016

foladara777:
Many Christians don't understand how ridiculous the idea of Trinity is...

The absurdity of the situation is the pigeonholing God into trinity
God is not limited to 3 persons
because God is ''I AM THAT I AM'', ''I SHALL BE THAT I SHALL'', ''I WILL BE THAT I BE''
so since God is not-known-number-of-persons
God then, is x-persons

Adam, Noah, the patriarchs, the Israelites etcetera didnt know God as a Father
The realisation or knowledge of God being a Father came with the advent of Jesus

Who knows what other person(s), during the passage of time, God will also reveal Himself to be

foladara777:
For example, Jesus said no one knows the time of God second coming including himself except his father...
So if Jesus is God, that means he knew and did not know the time of his second coming at the same time

According to prevailing Jewish customs of the biblical times, it is the groom's father that gives the wedding date not the bridegroom
The bridegroom goes along with the date set by the father,
this is why Jesus as God the Son, doesnt know the time the Son, the Bridegroom will be coming for His bride

foladara777:
When he was on the cross and said, his father had forsaken him, he was talking to himself and when he gave thanks to his father before sharing bread, he was thanking himself??

On any particular day(s), it is not hard nor impossible for God to be in two places at the same time
God is in Heaven, as God the Father, and on earth as God the Son when those moments transpired

foladara777:
If this is not lunacy, I don't know what is

If Aisha should ask Buhari questions relating to the government or about the public affairs of the country,
since it isnt a conjugal question asked, Buhari might reply only the president knows
Buhari, the married and Buhari, the president are the same person
but each in their different, unique and peculiar positions dont necessarily have the capacity to give answers for each other
They dont necessarily answer for each other or have answers on behalf of the other
There are some matters Buhari, the married can divulge
but Buhari, the president cannot or is unable to divulge

Its easier to exaggerate and label as lunacy anything not properly understood

foladara777:
Really?? It's bonds denominations together?? I don't see the bonding...
What I see is rivalry between denominations

The common theme of belief in Jesus and the true gospel preached is the bond
Preaching and teaching about Jesus and the true gospel bonds more than any differences that separates

If rivalries indeed, be reassured that some who are last will be first, and some who are first will be last.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Universal Declaration Of Peace and Safety and the End Of Time. by MuttleyLaff: 9:20am On Dec 05, 2016

MrPresident1:
When Jesus comes back, we will lose the ability to die, we will live as long, longer than trees.
Mortality and corruptibility will be swallowed up by immortality and incorruptibility. We will be pure, holy and pristine.

On or before 20th January 2017

LordReed:
And here we go again, another date setting that only ends up with you eating your own words.

As usual we'll be here to denounce you false prophets when it fails

MrPresident1:
Hahahaha LordReed LordReed, my friend my friend this one is not false prophecy from a fake prophet o, this is the authentic prophecy .

On or before the 20th of January 2017. Any day inbetween now and then, the final trump will sound from heaven

LordReed:
Ahh yes I forget, the trump will only be heard by you abi?
Or it's one of those your it's a symbolic trump bullshit.
Or one of those your many reasons why the date failed

Donald TRUMP's next big day is scheduled for Friday, the 20th of January 2017 when he will be sworn in on the steps of the US Capitol at noon as the new 45th President of the United States of America

Spot any symbolic trump bullshit

Christianity Etc › Re: Null by MuttleyLaff: 8:24am On Dec 05, 2016

pressplay411:
It's pathetic how Xtians have been programmed to find it sacrilegious questioning the bible

Keep on asking, and you will receive what you ask for.
Keep on seeking, and you will find.
Keep on knocking, and the door will be opened to you
- Matthew 7:7

The Xtians can speak for themselves
but this much I know about believers aka saints, aka the called out ones, aka beloved is that
they arent programmed to think that questioning the bible is sacrilegious.

pressplay411:
Isn't it the same Bible that instructs us to seek wisdom, test spirits, etc?
How do you achieve this without asking questions?

And the people of Berea were more open-minded than those in Thessalonica, and they listened eagerly to Paul's message.
They searched the Scriptures day after day to see if Paul and Silas were teaching the truth
- Acts 17:11

Asking questions stimulates the desire to learn, to correctly know more and to understand matters better
so dont stop just at asking questions, be a Berean,
go further by searching the Bible to check the validity and reliability of the whatever truth is posed you

Proverbs 25:2 paraphrased states:
It is God's privilege to conceal things and it's the king's privilege to question, investigate, search and discover them.

pressplay411:
But I understand, most Xtians fear that questioning the bible is analogous to questioning their faith.
And no one wants to lose the faith they've spent years building

Xtians might harbour fear but believers dont,
for God has given believers not the spirit of fear,
but of power and of love and of a sound mind
(i.e. believers are given sound judgement or wise discretion)

pressplay411:
On this note I posit and submit to the conclusion that no one plugged in to the system wants to be unplugged,
and they'll fight to protect and remain in the system

God so much loved the world (i.e. all humans in the system)
that he gave His one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in Him will not perish but have eternal life.

You dont want to be plugged into the system, if you know what's good for you

pressplay411:
My focus on Xtianity is because it's the most dominant in this part of the world next to Islam

Seriously? Pull the ''udder'' one.
Try for this once to be honest with yourself nau,
you know if you do venture into the Islam forum to let off steam, the Islam forum wouldnt tolerate you
You'll be scurried out with tail behind legs, bruised and licking wounds

pressplay411:
Also it's the only religion that has been bastardised and commercialised to the point that even Christians don't agree on the doctrines of Christianity

Constantine is to be thanked for the bastardisation of the gospel
and for the perversion of how the early believers' worshiped and reverenced God

pressplay411:
Christianity has birthed over 1000 other religions, churches, synagogues, etc.
With each one professing that it's way is the only way and all else are simply not "Called".

⁶I am shocked that you are turning away so soon from God,
who called you to himself through the loving mercy of Christ.
You are following a different way that pretends to be the Good News
⁷but is not the Good News at all.
You are being fooled by those who deliberately twist the truth concerning Christ.
- Galatians 1:6-7

Galatians 1:6-7 lets us know that hin don tay whey the pseudo-gospel yansh don dey for back

pressplay411:
(headache from too much SMH)

Ease up the SMH
The belief in Jesus and in the gospel He preached is stronger
and that is why it manages to bond together all the denominations
than their doctrinal disputes or doctrinal differences would separate them

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Christianity Etc › Re: Null by MuttleyLaff: 9:47pm On Dec 04, 2016*

pressplay411:
Christianity; The Most Self Contradicting Religion

Every religion is shrouded in mysteries and sacred doctrines but Christianity has to be the most controversial and self contradicting religion. Wait, let me finish, I will highlight my points carefully

Breath held

pressplay411:
1. To begin with, Christians will tell you it's not a religion but a way of life. (Really?)
What then is the definition of religion?

Maybe out of being ill-informed but
what you allege to be religion, is actually Exodus version 2.0
and this movement of the people aka the ''called out ones'' is called ekklesia

It is the people at Antioch who derogatively called the believers belonging to the Lord Christians (i.e. Acts 11:26)
None of the apostles, disciples, followers of Christ or early believers called themselves christians

The patriarchs, the likes of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob all had meaningful, productive and positive relationships with God
The patriarchs and the Israelites might have known God as a Friend, known God as a Companion
but they never knew God as a Father

Jesus came not just only to preach and teach about the gospel
but came to get us more closely acquainted with God,
came to help us see and look up to God as a Father,
came to get us have meaningful, productive and positive RELATIONSHIPs with a willing and ungrudging heavenly Father

This is what, it is mainly all about RELATIONSHIPs,
its about having a stronger and deeper bond of relationship with God, with Him being a Father to all that believe

pressplay411:
Religion:
(Roman Catholic Church) chiefly RC Church
- the way of life determined by the vows of poverty, chastity, and obedience entered upon by monks, friars, and nuns:

Go to #3 below, to read a bit on how the Roman Catholic Church chiefly RC Church for political and tactical reasons was conceived and came about

pressplay411:
2. Only Christians believe in Trinity. God, the Creator sacrificing Himself in his Human form to be tortured and murdered by his own Creation in order to save them. (No, you didn't read that wrong, it's as absurd as it sounds.)

It is when people know less than they should about God that they pigeonhole God into trinity
so except for trinity, the other parts in #2 dont sound absurb at all

pressplay411:
3. Christianity emanated when the Jews failed to accept Jesus Christ of Nazareth as the glorious Messiah they had been promised.
Odd then that Christians have failed to accept any of all the other religious movements that have sprouted even though Christians are also anticipating the Second Coming of the Messiah. (The wait is over 2000 years now and still counting, but that's another argument all together)

What you perceive as christianity actually is a copycat of the Apostles' ''christianity'' mishmashed with paganism

This perverted Apostles' ''christianity'' was helped along to get a strong and dominant foothold by the Roman Emperor, Constantine the Great

Constantine in 313 AD, with the Edict of Milan decriminalised believers' worships
and then created a pagan themed adulterated copycat version of how the early believers worshipped to be the official religion state wide

pressplay411:
4. Only in Christianity do we have a Virgin defying all Science and Biology and giving Birth without any form of insemination, even though she was very much engaged and betrothed. (Yea right)

³⁷For no word from God will ever fail.”
³⁸“I am the Lord’s servant,” Mary answered. “May your word to me be fulfilled.” Then the angel left her
- Luke 1:37-38

Jesus replied,
"What is impossible with man is possible with God."
- Luke 18:27

Well, did you notice in Luke 1:38 above, how Mary listened and hearkened to the call of duty word
and how though, very much engaged and betrothed didnt bother her

When and if you believe the Word, stand by the Word or stand on the Word
then what is impossible with man becomes possible through God by the Word/His word

pressplay411:
5. The most absurd of all these isn't any of the several miracles that have yet to be replicated in our present times
(maybe cos our generation is just too immoral that God has decided to stop performing miracles all together) such as turning water to wine, feeding a multitude with few loaves and fish, or walking on water or raising the dead etc

To what end do you expect miracles like the turning water to wine, feeding a multitude with few loaves and fish, or walking on water or raising the dead'' be replicated?
Why and what is the purpose for expecting to see these your particularly mentioned miracles?

pressplay411:
6. The most absurd and completely condescending and self righteous atrocity committed by Christians is their emphasis of John 14.6
How can you preach religious tolerance when you expect to annihilate every other religion except yours?
Is that not Monopolizing the religious industry?

Buddha, Mohammed, Sango, Ogun dont and never claim to be the way and the truth and the life (i.e. John 14:6)

Have you anywhere else, heard someone or read anyone else repeat anything remotely close to saying:
''I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me''

pressplay411:
Ask any devout Christian,
and they'll tell you ever so confidently that as long as you're not a Christian, woe betides you, cos you're going to Hell. (Really?)

No, and rightly, believers will tell you whether dead or alive, one needs to believe in the heart and confess with mouth that Jesus Christ is Lord
(i.e. Lord, as in being The Owner or your Owner)

pressplay411:
So no matter how pious and humanitarian and perfect you are at whatever religion you've adopted, as long as you're not a christian, what a waste!

Cornelius, a Gentile, practising a Jewish faith et al was all these adjectives
You cant be more pious nor be more humanitarian than Cornelius was
so if Cornelius inspite of his deep religious commitment still was required to hear and listen to the gospel
why do you think other ''pious and humanitarian and perfect(s)'' should be exempted or be let off the hook?
The underlining thing here is belief,
whether dead or alive, and without stumbling or knocking it over, the foremost hurdle to clearly jump is to believe Jesus, believe in Jesus and believe the preached Gospel

pressplay411:
I am no atheist I believe in God, a Super Creator, Super Power, The Source

Believing in God, in a Super Creator, in Super Power, in The Source, though each or all are alright, just any each or all altogether are not good enough without acknowledging God the Son, Jesus Christ

pressplay411:
What I do not believe however is Religion.
I don't believe there is a particular religion ordained and endorsed by God.
But the efficacy of Religion cannot be denied. Without it, there would have been chaos all over the world.

Read up on James 1:27 to know about the ONLY religion endorsed by God.

pressplay411:
However back to the matter,
Christian Patriarchs either need to address these issues and redress them accordingly or risk losing their grip on enlightened youths of our day.
I know some will still say you can't use human intelligence to interpret or discern things of the spirit, trust me I've heard it all.

⁵If any of you needs wisdom to know what you should do,
you should ask God, and he will give it to you.
God is generous to everyone and doesn't find fault with them.
⁶When you ask for something, don't have any doubts.
A person who has doubts is like a wave that is blown by the wind and tossed by the sea.
⁷A person who has doubts shouldn't expect to receive anything from the Lord.
⁸A person who has doubts is thinking about two different things at the same time
and can't make up his mind about anything
- James 1:5-8

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Christianity Etc › Re: Can Someone Help Explain John 14:3. by MuttleyLaff: 1:19pm On Dec 04, 2016

dsmartj:
John 14:3 King James Version (KJV)
And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself;
that where I am, there ye may be also.
Is it that construction is ongoing in heaven at the moment?

In my Father's house are many mansions:
if it were not so, I would have told you.
I go to prepare a place for you.
- John 14:2

Using ''constrution'' is not necessarily the perfect word to use here bro
because the way ''many mansions'' is mentioned in John 14:2, makes someone want to believe the ''many mansions'' are already in place
and doesnt suggests their ''construction'' is ongoing

Truth is the Kingdom of Heaven is not restricted to Heaven alone
as the Kingdom of Heaven stretches beyond as far as the eyes sees
so Jesus' gone to make arrangements, gone to make ready, gone to prepare the place He has for you in the Kingdok of Heaven

Jesus went ahead to go make arrangements in advance,
for you to take your position, in whatever place out FROM of any of the ''many mansions'' there is, for you in the Kingdom of Heaven

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Christianity Etc › Re: *CHRISTIANS ONLY* Who Is Your Favourite Bible Villian And Why? by MuttleyLaff: 9:28am On Dec 03, 2016*

otem4eartum:
kikikikiki, and when did it become legal to kill "young men" because they are naar?

Again, and this is me repeating myself:
How you managed to read ''murder'' or ''kill'' into that narrative wont cease to amaze me

otem4eartum:
kikikikikkkiikik LWTMB... So now nobody died again abi?

You read that right
Do you want it highlighted before you understand that?

otem4eartum:
I thought BBLIE said that 42 children died

Try to unlearn that thought,
well, because you thought wrong,

The Bible did not state anyone dying or died from the bears appearing on the scene
The word used was SPLIT, ''baqa'' as in Hebrew, the bears split up the group
Who is going to be a fool, standing rooted, and not scamper, seeing she-bears, possibly nursing mother ones for that
42 young men rooted to ground in fright, abi? Pfft SMH.

I've heard of mannequin challenges
but not this particular Bible one of 42 young men frozen and standing still waiting for angry bears to come do their worst. Pfft SMH again

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