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LadyAnn:
You most certainly are a sustainer of the word of God to go ye out into the world and preach the gospel of Christ. And teach the gospel of Christ. Bless you for your clear interpretation of one of the most misinterpreted verse in the bible

Sarassin:
To fully comprehend Mat. 11:12 you need to understand the underlying background in Jewish beliefs as well as context. The background is that early Jews had long held beliefs that the kingdom of God could be “hastened” or brought about by “force”, the context is of an "ode to John the Baptist" by Jesus.

Why? John the Baptist quite evidently believed that his people, the Jews had descended into un-godliness, he also believed that a “baptism of repentance was necessary for Israel's salvation in the imminent Last Judgment”. He was convinced that he by his own preaching was to bring about the outburst of the longed-for Messianic Fountain, which would heal the brackish waters of the Jordan and remove sin and uncleanliness from the house of David. (Ezekiel 36, 25-28)

Evidently Jesus of Nazareth was intimately familiar with the core doctrines of John the Baptists' apocalypticysm. John believed he was precipitating the Kingdom of God and instigating it by force of his deeds and this is what Jesus is referring to specifically

We live in a believers world that is misguided and fraught with misinformed and off tangent interpretations

It is weird that when most of us see the word ''suffereth'' we immediately misconstrue it as only to be associated with ''subjection to something bad'' or ''subjection to an unpleasant experience''

This notion is well far from the truth because ''suffereth'' or ''suffer'' actually, is a very old KJV way or old-fashioned way of saying ''tolerate'', ''permit'', ''allow, ''let''

But Jesus said, Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven
- Matthew 19:14 KJV

But Jesus said, Allow little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven
- Matthew 19:14 KJV 2000

Jesus said, "Don't stop children from coming to me! Children like these are part of the kingdom of God"
- Matthew 19:14 GOD'S WORD® Translation

But Jesus said, "Let the children come to me. Don't stop them! For the Kingdom of Heaven belongs to those who are like these children"
- Matthew 19:14 NLT

Matthew 19:14 above provides a good perspective into what ''suffereth'' or ''suffer'' also alternatively means

"The Law and the Prophets were proclaimed until John. Since that time, the good news of the kingdom of God is being preached, and everyone is forcing their way into it
- Luke 16:16 NIV

"Until John the Baptist, the law of Moses and the messages of the prophets were your guides. But now the Good News of the Kingdom of God is preached, and everyone is eager to get in
- Luke 16:16 NLT

“The Law and The Prophets were until Yohannan; from then, the Kingdom of God is announced, and everyone is pushing to enter it.”
- Luke 16:16 Aramaic Bible in Plain English

Now back to the original matter, if the bible repeatedly states that ''Every matter must be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses'' then the above testimony of Luke 16:16, the other witness bible verse, which corrobates the truth that Matthew 11:12 in effect means ''you gat to do, what you gat to do, to enjoy or gain access to the benefits of the Kingdom of Heaven''.

Pull, push, press in, climb up a tree, drop down in through a roof hole, etcetera, whatever it will take to get in, do.

Since small is the gate and narrow the way that leads to life, we need to drop all the affliction excess baggages to easily go through the gate, otherwise have no option than to squeeze, push or force way in

xykms101:
One of the bad eggs in his team must have shot him from the back .

Am so sure he was killed by one of his colleague ...

Going by his history, he must be a serious threat to boko boiz ... Na insider kill am no be boko haram.

If this serious allegation has any element of truth in it,
then the military should have taken up the challenge or responsibility of verifying whether the bullet(s) that killed him are from army issued batches or from enemy combatant(s)

FrancisDiote:
Watch as Reverend Father disgraced himself today

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_U-oKNpJJU4

Nairaland is secular too
as it is not being exclusively affliated with any particular religion nor brazenly announces its against any particular religion
Free the Reverend Father he was dancing to a gospel tune the best he can

sukkot:
brother you are bending the bible to suit your agenda. the sealed tribes are in revelation 7 and the tribe of dan which was prophesied to turn to the serpent aka deceiver was not mentioned. its as clear as day. you are coming up with things in your own head saying the tribe of dan is not mentioned because they are the judge. thats your own vain opinion. it is called the 12 tribes of israel for a reason and not the 13 tribes of israel

According to Genesis 49:28, the list in Genesis 49:1-27, are of Jacob's 12 sons (i.e. in order of birth) and are what made up the 12 tribes of Israel

Reuben,
Simeon,
Levi,
Judah,
Dan,
Naphtali,
Gad,
Asher,
Issachar,
Zebulun,
Joseph (i.e. his sons Mannasseh and Ephraim formed the House of Joseph)
and Benjamin

All these are the twelve tribes of Israel, and this is what their father said to them when he blessed them, giving each the blessing appropriate to him
- Genesis 49:28

What you presented with Revelation 7:5-9 is not the 12 tribes of Israel but rather are tribes from the House of Judah and the House of Israel
(i.e. it had Jacob's sons and Joseph's son Mannasseh, from the House of Joseph, without his other son, Ephraim)

Care to explain why Mannasseh got a mention but not Ephraim and what Ephraim should turn into?
Turn into a serpent too maybe?
You do know Ephraim represents the House of Israel?
- Ephraim was jealous of Judah


Parallel Verses

Ephraim's jealousy will vanish, and Judah's enemies will be destroyed; Ephraim will not be jealous of Judah, nor Judah hostile toward Ephraim
- Isaiah 11:13 NIV

Then at last the jealousy between Israel and Judah will end. They will not be rivals anymore.
- Isaiah 11:13 NLT

Or didnt you know the 10 tribes of Asher, Dan, Ephraim, Manasseh, Gad, Issachar, Naphtali, Reuben, Simeon, and Zebulun represented by Ephraim, the independent Kingdom of Israel aka the House of Israel?

7For if that first covenant had been faultless, there would have been no occasion to look for a second.
8For he finds fault with them when he says:
“Behold, the days are coming, declares the Lord,
when I will establish a new covenant with the house of Israel
and with the house of Judah
- Hebrews 8:7-8

sukkot:
Its like how we had 13 disciples and judas was kicked out and then it became the 12 disciples. its the biblical numerology, 13 always gets reduced to 12. 13 tribes became the 12 tribes of israel after dan was kicked out wink

Have you noticed growth on your nose yet? wink
No, there were never a time we had 13 disciples, there originally were 12 disciples and not 13

The 12 disciples were reduced to 11 discples after Judas committed suicide
The discples became 12 again after casting lots out from which Matthias was selected

sukkot:
oh and eve is israel. the woman is israel jeremiah 6 vs 2 “ I have likened the daughter of Zion to a comely and delicate woman.” THE WOMAN WITH A CROWN OF 12 STARS WRAPPED IN THE SUN AND THE MOON UNDER HER FEET. ISRAEL

and how is Eve according to you now Israel again, when Zion is Jerusalem? I salute and tire for you

LadyAnn:
Wow how awesome. Are you a pastor?

And I will give you shepherds according to my heart, and they shall feed you with knowledge and understanding
- Jeremiah 3:15

Jeremiah 3:15 is about the pastor verb and not the pastor noun
(i.e. more of the action you do and not what you are)

sukkot:
lolzz yeah swimming vest

I think it might come in handy here because the undercurrents is moving in a different direction from the ''Dan'' surface current you are swimming in

sukkot:
nah bro the tribe of dan was kicked out of israel because the tribe of dan later became the stumbling block and serpent. now this is why the bible says we have to go precept upon precept. lets combine two verses precept upon precept.

The tribe of Dan WAS NOT kicked out of israel. The tribe of Dan might have at some time been a stumbling block when they dabbled into idolatory

sukkot:
genesis 49 vs 17 Dan shall be a serpent by the way, an adder in the path, that biteth the horse heels , so that his rider shall fall backward

Genesis 49:16 reiterating prophesied that the tribe of Dan will judge or will provide justice for his people
and Genesis 49:17 verse following in suit means, the tribe of Dan will protect Israel from hostilty or from anyone nursing plans to attack or harm them
By the way, the mention of horse heels, signifies, mounted on horses wealthier, better and more skillful warrior class of enemies than the Isrealites will be.
The tribe of Dan will protect Israel from by biting the horse’s heels, causing the horsemen to be thrown off
Check out Judges 18 and Joshua 19:40-48 to read about direct combats with enemy forces the tribe of Dan engaged in.

sukkot:
genesis 3 vs 15 And I will put enmity between thee ( the serpent aka tribe of dan ) and the woman ( the woman being israel ), and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel

You are extrapolating and stretching this too far
Genesis 3:15 means: I will put enmity between the (i.e. the serpent ) and the woman (i.e. the woman being Eve)
Genesis 3:15 has no bearing in the tribe of Dan matter

sukkot:
brother, i only swim in deep waters. hence why many think i am crazy lolzzz

The many that think you're crazy, should think maybe you're a strong and experienced swimmer too, which is why you venture into the deep end
Do you take along swimming life vests and/or watch out for undercurrents moving in a different direction from the surface current lolzzz

sukkot:
well if you look at this verse you will see the tribe of dan was part of israel

Genesis 49:16: “Dan shall judge his people, as one of the tribes of Israel.”

now if you read the chosen tribes for the kingdom in revelation chapter 7 you will see the tribe of dan is missing

House of Judah
From the tribe of Judah 12,000 were sealed,
from the tribe of Benjamin 12,000
from the tribe of Levi 12,000,

House of Israel
the tribe of Reuben 12,000,
the tribe of Gad 12,000,
the tribe of Asher 12,000,
the tribe of Naphtali 12,000,
the tribe of Manasseh 12,000,
the tribe of Simeon 12,000,
the tribe of Issachar 12,000,
the tribe of Zebulun 12,000,
the tribe of Joseph 12,000,

Thank you for bringing up Revelation 7:5-9, but noticed I split it into two groups
(i.e. two groups of the House of Judah and the House of Israel as group witnesses)

The bible repeatedly states that ''Every matter must be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses''
so God requires two witnesses (i.e. the House of Judah and the House of Israel) with a judge (i.e.the tribe of Dan ) to show the world He is the true God

Dan is missing in the Revelation 7:5-9 listing because like you rightly brought up with Genesis 49:16, Dan was prophesied to be a judge
Sitting judges arent called and cant be called to be witnesses,
this is why Dan takes leave and is missing as regards being required in a ''witness box''

sukkot:
And with regards to rapture, when i speak about rapture i am speaking about a change in dimension and not people flying in the air like birds. the bible is written in symbols and parables and allegories.
so rapture >>> we shall all fly in the air to meet the lord
>>> simply means we will be on top of the world. lord means authority. we will be ruling and controlling the world using the doctrine of the LORD

Phew! Thank God you had the chutzpah to some extent clear that up, unlike SisterMe who flagrantly ducked from sharing more on the rapture subject she dangled about
For a moment I thought you were irresponsibly going to say we shall all fly in the air like birds to meet the Lord

Auki:
Empires, brother.

We as Muslim need to respond with good word and give utmost respect to God and all His messengers, Jesus inclusive. Response to those that seem sincerely searching for the truth and ignore those ignorance on this platform.

Salam

See, I am going to send My messenger, and he will clear the way before Me.
Then the Lord you seek will suddenly come to His temple, the Messenger of the covenant you desire
--see, He is coming," says the LORD of Hosts
- Malachi 3:1

Word up and nice to read that muslim need to respond with good word and give utmost respect to God and all His messengers, Jesus inclusive

John the Baptist was the messenger, clearing the way before the arrival of the Lord
Jesus Christ is the Messenger of the covenant, the Lord sought, who suddenly came to His temple

Empiree:
that's why he came to begin with? but he was crying like a frustrated chimpanzee to his father when the nails pained so much

Show some decorum, rein in the smear word and disparaging contrast with a chimpanzee

Empiree:
did I say I don't believe in him? . I do but not the Christians manipulated version story of him

Empiree please dont be in a haste to answer these, think about the questions carefully
1) Is there anything hard for God to do?
2) Is it impossible for God be in two places at the same time?
(e.g. be in Heaven as God the Father and be on Earth as God the Son, at the same)

sukkot:
a gentile can become Israel. Israel is a title and not a lineage

If you want to go in to deep waters, I concur that Israel is a title and not a lineage.
Everyone ought to prevail with God

sukkot:
which is why i said you have to find a way to be included in the house of israel. the house of israel is the church of Philadelphia

Out of all the seven churches, if there is one church to be in, its the church of Philadelphia that needs striving to get foot and all into.

sukkot:
the rapture house

Red flag, what is this ''rapture'' talk about and what are ALL the biblical verses you are basing it on?

sukkot:
you can be invited into it and you can be kicked out of it. the tribe of dan was part of the house of Israel but was kicked out

Chief haba, go easy on the tribe of Dan, for scrutiny purposes, put all your biblical verses here that supports the tribe of dan was kicked out

sukkot:
so if you find your way into the house of israel you will be saved. and only those in the house of israel will be saved

Reiterating, bottom line is that ,God is interested in all mankind, whether Jew or not

sukkot:
BRO, the new testament is a collection of letters between the prophets and disciples exalting and supporting each other. new testament is a book you read to take out the information that applies to you. not everything in the new testament applies to you.

acts 5 vs 30 The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree.
31Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.


NOW YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT WHEN I SAY ISRAEL I DO NOT MEAN THE PEOPLE WHO CALL THEMSELVES ISRAELI TODAY. THOSE ARE FAKE

God is not of Jews only. He is the God of Gentiles too
God is not of an Israel umbrella only. He is the God of Gentiles' umbrella too

Those in Israeli today, are frauds, and its a fulfilment of Revelation 3:9
That dead former Israeli prime minister, president Shimon Peres is not a Jew, but is Polish by birth and descent
Even raised a bit in Poland before emigrating to Isreal

Is Adam a Jew, is Abraham a Jew, is whatever or etcetera a Jew?
Bottom line is that God is interested in all mankind, whether Jew or not

sukkot:
Jesus is not the savior of the world. he is the savior of Israel

Jesus is not only the savior of Israel but additinally IS THE Savior of the world too

sukkot:
matthew 15 vs 24
But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel

now the question is how can you get yourself under the Israel umbrella

⁵In your relationships with one another, have the same mindset as Christ Jesus:
⁶Who, being in very nature God
did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage;
⁷rather, he made himself nothing
by taking the very natureb of a servant,
being made in human likeness.
⁸And being found in appearance as a man,
he humbled himself
by becoming obedient to death—
even death on a cross!
⁹Therefore God exalted him to the highest place
and gave him the name that is above every name,
¹⁰that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
¹¹and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord,
to the glory of God the Father
- Philippians 2:5-11

You are the sons of the prophets and of the covenant that God made with your fathers, saying to Abraham,
'And in your seed all the families of the earth will be blessed.'
- Acts 3:25

Matthew 15:24 is talking about the ''priority queue'' like the Cannanite woman without a ''priority pass'' trying to jump the queue

Jesus did the gospel honours with the Jews first and then next following, the rest of the world,
this all, as was promised Abraham in Genesis 22:17-18 and echoed in Acts 3:25

aylagos:
Jesus christ is the saviour of the world not God

⁵In your relationships with one another, have the same mindset as Christ Jesus:
⁶Who, being in very nature God
did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage;
⁷rather, he made himself nothing
by taking the very natureb of a servant,
being made in human likeness.
⁸And being found in appearance as a man,
he humbled himself
by becoming obedient to death—
even death on a cross!
⁹Therefore God exalted him to the highest place
and gave him the name that is above every name,
¹⁰that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
¹¹and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord,
to the glory of God the Father
- Philippians 2:5-11

Technically, your remark is correct, as God gave away that credit of Savior of the world to Jesus, FOR making it possible
Jesus is the facilitator, God the Father is the brain behind the Save the World project

aylagos:
Jesus Came to Save the World
John 12:44-50
⁴⁴ And Jesus cried out and said, “Whoever believes in me, believes not in me but in him who sent me.
[size=5pt]⁴⁵ And whoever sees me sees him who sent me.
⁴⁶ I have come into the world as light, so that whoever believes in me may not remain in darkness.
⁴⁷ If anyone hears my words and does not keep them, I do not judge him; for I did not come to judge the world but to save the world.
⁴⁸ The one who rejects me and does not receive my words has a judge; the word that I have spoken will judge him on the last day.[/size]
⁴⁹ For I have not spoken on my own authority, but the Father who sent me has himself given me commandment—what to say and what to speak.
⁵⁰ And I know that his commandment is eternal life. What I say, therefore, I say as the Father has told me.”

Pls read 44,49,50 carefully

Please dont be in a haste to answer these, think about the questions carefully aylagos:
1) Is there anything impossible for God to do?
2) Is it impossible for God be in two places at the same time?
(e.g. be in Heaven as God the Father and be on Earth as God the Son, at the same)
3) At what point did God become a Father?

#3 Answer:
Well Abraham did not know God as a Father because God was not a Father then in Abraham's lifetime

God become a Father when God became incarnate in Jesus (i.e. when Jesus was born)
which according to Genesis 1:26, is where man is who the legally allowed to operate on earth

God is bound by His word in Genesis 1:26, and hence God needed a suit, a human being body, in order to legally operate on earth to be the Savior of mankind

LadyAnn:
And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffers violence,
and the violent take it by force." - Matthew 11:12

What are your thoughts on this verse people of God?

And Jesus said, “Who touched me?”
And when everyone denied,
Peter and those with him said to him,
''Our master, the crowds are pressing close to you, and they are pushing
and you say, 'Who touched me?' ''
- Luke 8:45

Wherever he went--in villages, cities, or the countryside--they brought the sick out to the marketplaces.
They begged him to let the sick touch at least the fringe of his robe, and all who touched him were healed
- Mark 6:56

Crowds of people were coming to be baptized by John.
He would say to them,
"You poisonous snakes! Who showed you how to flee from God's coming anger?
- Luke 3:7

But when John saw many Pharisees and Sadducees coming to where he was baptizing,
he told them,
"You children of serpents! Who warned you to flee from the coming wrath?
- Matthew 3:7

In order to understand Matthew 11:12 a little bit more, one needs to be familiar with the crowd in Jesus or John the Baptist times, and what occurs in midst of the throng

As people try to achieve the below, Matthew 11:12 for better comprehesion edited version, pushing and pulling (i.e. force), due to overcrowding, always occurred in John the Baptist gathering and this up to the time of Jesus' gathering too

And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth tolerated violence,
and the violent strong and assertive take it
by force with a push or pull upon applicable kingdom of heaven person or object e.g. John the Baptist, Jesus etcetera,
in order, to be baptised in the Jordan River by John the Baptist,
to receive healing from Jesus,
to receive salvation, to hear the gospel preached by Jesus."
- Matthew 11:12 for better comprehesion edited version

Now, five examples of the ''violent'' ''who took'' ''it'' by ''force'' are:
1) The woman with the issue of blood, who pushed through the crowd, to touched the hem of Jesus' garment in order to receive healing
2) Zacchaeus, the tax collector and a short man, who ran ahead and climbed a sycamore-fig tree, to be above the crowd, in order to see Jesus who was passing through Jericho on His way to Jerusalem
3) The four men, who could not get their paralyzed friend to Jesus who was in house because of the crowd, so devised the plan to dig a hole in the roof and lower down their paralyzed friend in mat tied and held with four ropes
4) The Canaanite woman who came to Jesus to cure her daughter severely oppressed by a demon, but who then forcibly begs, when told she is not in the ''priority queue''
5) Peter openly wanting to refuse to obeying gravity by asking Jesus to command him to come walking on the water to Jesus.

From the above inexhaustible examples, the kingdom of Heaven is not for the faint hearted
(i.e. anyone legally looking for something or trying to get something permitted in the kingdom of Heaven, has to be forthright, strong & assertive)

Matthew 11:12 along with those few examples above implies that,
there is no room for hesitancy, doubt, timidity, fear or shyness etcetera the kingdom of Heaven,
because in terms of obtaining salvation, receiving healing, wanting to know God or wanting to see Jesus etcetera, the kingdom of Heaven doesnt suffer, entertain or tolerate these type of hesitancy, doubt, timidity, fear or shyness behaviours

Need to be forthright, strong & assertive, if not, cant pull down stronghold, wont be able to push through traditions of men, go past legalisms or other etcetera barriers in way of achieving objectives or goals

Joagbaje:
When observant parents began to see the the hand of God on their child early and they encourage it. It's commendable

https://gifyu.com/images/BennyJacket.gif
Is the younger and cute girl's chirping ''Take it, take it, take it...'' followed with the older girl falling down & writhing on the floor, the hand of God?
Except for harmless fun or light entertainment, is it commendable encouraging falsehood and misrepresentation? Really?
Oya where is that Benny holy ghost jacket to whip with when you need it?

Seun:
I enjoyed listening to this 'ministration'. It took place at a South African Christ Embassy Church on Mother's Day some years ago:
h t t ps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2SktKgtHLy0

Some people on Youtube are offended by this made-in-church video

People should only need to take offense, if the video was uploaded to perpetuate the scams, frauds and swindles that has become almost a commonplace of supposedly believers' gatherings

Seun:
claiming that the organizers will "pay for it on judgment day"

130% correct

Seun:
Why?

All of us will have to give an account of ourselves to God.
- Romans 14:12

Seun:
h t tps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5BtNwRQIiQ
[size=5pt][0:0] I've always been mesmerized by Benny Hinn's singing. He sings as if he really means what he's saying and that gets one into a certain state of mind. So when I started watching this video, it brought back memories of participating in worship services. His voice is now old and frail which only adds to the illusion of sincerity. "Glorify Thy Name", "To Thee We Ascribe Glory", "There's Something About That Name".

[6:57] Benny scolds a "young man" sitting near the front: "You can sit down only if you've got no legs. I demand reverence for the Holy Ghost".

[7:13] The crowd cheers as Benny Hinn declares, "Lift your hands and ask for anything you want. He is here!" Their expectation is impressive.

[9:54]Benny Hinn feels the need for a little stunt to assure the Lagos crowd that power is here:
"Are these the pastors? Are you all the pastors at the front? How many Pastors here, put your hands up high. Pastors, quickly, join hands together and receive. There's coming an anointing upon the pastors for visions and revelations."

(Why was he so particular about the Pastors? Well, junior pastors in anointing churches tend to fall easily to show that they are spiritually sensitive. Why did he ask them to hold hands? So that the stubborn ones who refuse to fall will be pulled down by the others who are falling)

He waves his hand towards them and shouts "TOUCH!!" and they all fall. "That's the power of God Almighty", he says, triumphantly. This is new to me; he used to wave his coat and shout "fire" when he wanted to make the people in the front row seats fall down. Progress! Now he's urging the crowd to ask for big things. "Don't limit him!" He certainly wants to generate big miracle testimonies tonight!

[18:28] He starts singing a very touching song in his lovely old man voice. "He is here right now. You don't need to wait. You don't need to beg. He is passing out gifts for you to receive. Just praise, just praise, just praise his name!" He brings in Sinach to support him (he really likes her) but instead of singing it in a straight and touching way she keeps adding effizy which ruins it. He tries to guide her but she doesn't follow.

[24:14] Sinach leads the praise session. I don't know what people see in her music, but Benny clearly values her sway over the audience.

[33:38] "I feel fire in my soul!! My God I'm feeling it in this house!!" It's important for people to believe that power is here.

Preaching begins. Boring for me.

[1:44:30] "Many of you feel tremendous fire on your bodies. Many of you feel heat all over your body. Some of you feel tremendous electricity rushing through you! Some feel like a vibration in your body. That is the power of God healing you!" This is crucial.

[1:47:08] Now he invites "everyone of you that felt that heat; everyone that felt that vibration; that electricity go through your body. And you know, like that woman with the issue of blood, ... if you know God has healed you" to come to the front "quickly" and testify of their healing.

[1:48:23] Another great song: "rise and be healed in the name of Jesus. In the mighty name of Jesus. He will touch you ... make you whole!"

In short: music + 'proof' of power + message + music = goosebumps and adrenaline + interpretation = testimonies (I believe I've been healed)[/size]

very good observation my dear friend

Still a L-plated learner where Benny is.

EyeHateGod:
Are you New on NL?

No, not New on NL.
Back to the matter, so why you hating.
Why do you hate God?

chimaobinelson:
we christians should better open our eyes to the vices d devil is using to infilterate our minds and propagate evil, i feel so irritated when ppl hide under the aegis of "dont judge" to do absurd things.
please judge me and tell me wen i derail fr d right way ,i.e ,if u ever love meoo

As far as YHWH is concerned, you are a judge, just as YHWH Himself is a Judge.

Kei144:
[size=5pt]How will the new man arise?

God breathed His breath of life into an animal-like Adam and the new man came into him. And that is how the new man arises; in an earthly man. The new man can arise in you and in me.

Mt. 3:13 Then Jesus came from Galilee to the Jordan to be baptised by John.
Mt. 3:16 As soon as Jesus was baptised, he went up out of the water. At that moment heaven was opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and lighting on him.

1Pe. 2:21 To this you were called, because Christ suffered for you, leaving you an example, that you should follow in his steps.[/size]

Jesus left his profession and went to be baptized by John the Baptist in the River Jordan.
As soon as he was baptized, the breath of God (the new man) came into him.

You keep mismatching ruach (e.g. Exodus 28:3, Exodus 31:3, Exodus 35:31, Luke 3:22, Mark 1:10, John 1:32) for naphach (e.g. Genesis 2:7)

They are entirely two different things,
one, naphach, is the breath of God animating man, to give life to man, make man alive
and the other, ruach, is God's Spirit, the Holy Spirit, an enduring and/or endowning power, to carry out God's work or for doing God's business (e.g. John 1:32)

Jesus already had naphach, the breath of God, before baptism,
it was ruach (i.e. pneuma) God's Spirit, the Holy Spirit, He received at and/or after baptism

Kei144:
Anyone who wants to receive the breath of God in her/him just has to follow Jesus' example.
There is need for water baptism, which should be followed by praying for God to breath into the person His Holy Spirit

You see what harm legalism does
When or where the Adam follow Jesus' example of water baptism to receive the breath of God in him? SMH

Kei144:
That is how the new man comes into a person.

If going by your narrative, what water baptism did Adam have before he received the ''new man''?

Kei144:
[size=5pt]What is the New Man

The new man is an immortal or spiritual man.

Ge. 2:7 the LORD God formed the man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being.
Ge. 2:8 Now the LORD God had planted a garden in the east, in Eden; and there he put the man he had formed.
Ge. 2:9 And the LORD God made all kinds of trees grow out of the ground — trees that were pleasing to the eye and good for
food. In the middle of the garden were the tree of life and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.
Ge. 2:10 A river watering the garden flowed from Eden; from there it was separated into four headwaters.[/size]

God first of all made man like a mere animal, and then breathed into it the breath of life.
That breath of life from God is the new man, the spiritual man.

God had to create a garden for feeding both the outer (fleshly) man and the inner (spiritual) man. Most of the trees in the garden catered for the outer man. Only two trees, the tree of life and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, were for the inner man.

God warned man to never eat the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil into his inner being, but man went on to eat the forbidden fruit that corrupts the inner being and was therefore barred from eating the fruit of the tree of life.

The fruit of the tree of life makes the spiritual man to grow and become like God.

Necessity is the mother of invention...
What problem, before Adam and/or before the old man, was all creation made, to solve?
Does Genesis 2:17 have a double entendre?
And what does eating of the Tree of the knowledge of Good and Evil make one become like?

Kei144:
[size=5pt]We are a already in a new season; a transition period between what is and what is to come. The world has been in the hand of the old man, with its deceitful desires(Ep. 4:22)

What is to come is that the new man will arise on the earth and take over the world. The new man is created to be like God in true righteousness and holiness (Ep. 4:24)

Da. 2:44 “In the time of those kings, the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be destroyed, nor will it be left to another people. It will crush all those kingdoms and bring them to an end, but it will itself endure for ever.
Da. 2:45 This is the meaning of the vision of the rock cut out of a mountain, but not by human hands — a rock that broke the iron, the bronze, the clay, the silver and the gold to pieces. “The great God has shown the king what will take place in the future. The dream is true and the interpretation is trustworthy.”[/size]

''Where Are We In God's Programme''? begs the following questions:
What is God's Programme?
Why Did God need this programme?
What necessitated having this programme?
To what end is the need for this programme?
What problem is this programme instituted to solve or fix?

winner01:
God is not a person.
Can you people ever wrap your heads around God being the Creator of all

PastorAIO:
Not one, not Two...... , [size=14pt]but in fact Three persons[/size].
Thank you for correcting me.

Not one, not Two... in fact not Three persons, [size=14pt]but in fact is, X or infinite persons[/size].
Thank later for correcting you.

God wasnt revealed to the patriarchs as a Father, unlike believers who know God as a Father

With passage of time, back to back from Eden to whenever, God reveals the different persons or personas in Him
God is, I AM THAT I AM, I AM WHO I AM, I AM WHO I SHALL BE, I SHALL BE WHO I SHALL BE etcetera

Joshthefirst:
Pastor Benny Hinn said something I've been stating about the fundamental nature of God and his life. He said it in the power of the Spirit last night at a ministration in Lagos.

GOD does not exist, HE IS EXISTENCE. God does not live, HE IS LIFE. God does not live in eternity, ETERNITY LIVES IN HIM!

The first and last phrases, especially the last, are quite powerful and satisfying to me and everyone who ponders. You see the Spirit is one and always says the same thing.


God is the origin, yet he became man because of his love for us. The FACT OF HIS INCARNATION IS NOT TO BE A SOURCE OF DOUBT, IT IS TO BE A SOURCE OF THE INSPIRATION OF HIS LOVE FOR YOU AND ME.

The power of his life flows in believers in this world. In spite of lies, we are the bearers of truth. We are the graced ones, and we will continue to shake the world even more with his love and power.

Now is not a time to be idiot.ic as many are, reprobate, lounging in deadly darkness and lust and filthiness of mind and mouth. Now is not the time for foolishness in old men and young. It is not the time for pride to deceive. Now is not a time for doubts. The truth is around you. It's words are in your mouth. Seek it and you will find it. Confess it.

For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son. That whosoever believes in him will not perish, but have everlasting life. The son did not come to condemn the world, but that the world might be saved through him.

If you believe in your heart the Lord Jesus, and confess with your mouth that God raised him from the dead, you shall be saved.

For there is no other name given among men with which they will be saved, save the name of Jesus.

Benny is confused and needs to go over Exodus 3:14 carefully
Hayah in Exodus 3:14, means existed, come to pass, become, be

chimaobinelson:
[size=5pt]People are always writing me saying, “don’t judge only God can judge .” This statement is not even in the Bible.
Most of the people who say that it is wrong to judge others are not unbelievers. They are
people who profess to be Christians.
People don’t understand that they are being hypocritical because they are judging themselves.
These days people would rather allow people to go to hell than expose evil.
Many people say,“why are Christians so judgmental?” You get judged all your
life, but as soon as it’s about Christianity
it is a problem. Judging is not sinful, but a judgmental critical heart is,which I will explain below.(see john 7:24).
How can you tell good from bad fruit
without judging? How can you tell good friends from bad friends without judging? You have to judge and you do judge.
1. Matthew 7:18-20
A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a
bad tree cannot bear good fruit. Every tree
that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.
Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.
Scripture says that we are to expose evil. These false teachings and these lies entering
Christianity that say, “you can be a homosexual and still be a Christian”
would not have entered if more people would have stood up and said, “no it’s sin!”
2. Ephesians 5:11
Do not participate in the unfruitful deeds of
darkness, but instead even expose them.
SOMETIMES EVEN BEING SILENT IS SINFUL
3. Ezekiel 3:18-19
So when I say to a wicked person, ‘You’re about to die,’if you don’t warn or instruct that wicked person that his behavior is wicked so he can live, that wicked person will
die in his sin, but I’ll hold you responsible
for his death . If you warn the wicked person, and he doesn’t repent of his wickedness or of his wicked behavior, he’ll die in his sin,
but you will have saved your own life.
Many people point to Matthew 7:1 and say, “you see judging is a sin.”
We must read it in context. It is talking about
hypocritical judging!!!. For example, how can I judge you for being a thief, but I steal just as much or more? How can I tell you to stop
having premarital sex when I still have premarital sex? I have to examine myself. Am I being a hypocrite?

4. Matthew 7:1-5
“Do not judge, so that you won’t be judged.
For with the judgment you use, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it
will be measured to you. Why do you look at the speck in your brother’s eye but don’t notice the log in your own eye?
Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let
me take the speck out of your eye,’ and
look, there’s a log in your eye? Hypocrite!
First take the log out of your eye, and
then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother’s eye. “

5. Romans 2:1-2
You,therefore, have no excuse, you who pass judgment on someone else, for at
whatever point you judge another, you
are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things.
6. Romans 2:21-22
therefore you who teach someone else,do you not teach yourself? You who preach againststealing, do you steal? You who say
that one should not commit adultery, do
you commit adultery? You who abhor idols, do you rob temples?
How are we to watch out for false teachers if we can’t judge?
7. Matthew 7:15-16
Beware of false prophets who come to you in sheep’s clothing but inwardly are savage wolves. You will know them by their fruit. Grapes aren’t gathered from thorns, or figs from thistles, are they?
How are we to distinguish good from evil without judging?
8. Hebrews 5:14
But solid food is for the mature, for those
who have their powers of discernmenty trained by constant practice to distinguish good from evil .
God’s people will judge
9. 1 Corinthians 6:2
Or don’t you know that the saints will judge the world ? And if the world is judged by you, are you unworthy to judge the smallest cases?
10. 1 Corinthians2:15
The person with the Spirit makes judgments about all things, but such a person is not subject to merely human judgments.
How can we warn without judging?
11. 2 Thessalonians 3:15
Yet do not regard them as an enemy, but warn them as you would a fellow believer.[/size]

I have said, Ye are gods;
and all of you are children of the most High
- Psalm 82:6

Jesus answered them,
Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
- John 10:34

The Bible, in Psalm 82:6, tells
and Jesus, in John 10:34, again stated strongly, that: you're judges

Enaburekhanjosh:
OK, this is unconventional for me, I don't know for sure, the significance of killing it, or if its true what everyone is telling me,

at exactly 02:32am this morning I woke up as a result of the sound (noise) I was hearing at my door, at first I thought i was been attacked by thieves, so I made some "security " moves and waited for about 3mins. but the noise continued, so I concluded it wasn't thieves, and then boldly opened the door and came out... only for me to see this small creature trying to forcefully find its way into my house... A TORTOISE ....so I took a bucket cover it until this morning

what gives me concern and worry is this,.......why my house and at such hour, is not like I stay in a lonely place or in a bush, I actually stay in the middle of so many houses

Ofcus as an African man, I started calling family and friends to know if there is any mystical explanation or reasons why a tortoise will want to find a new neighbour in me..

the answers I got was more than I bargained for as the were scary.... to cut the story short I was ask to kill it, preferably by burning it...

please any one with more insight into such stuffs should help out.... is it right I kill it or should I let it go? ...THANKS

Could be someone was trying to plant seeds of fear in you

Yi ẹse rẹ si apa kan, ma se pa TORTOISE kokoro ni, TORTOISE kokoro ti iwọ ko le da, Ọlọrun lo le da
- ethnic nursery rhymes things

Seun:
Please do not kill it. It makes a very god pet or you can release it to the wild. there's nothing mysterious about it.

Yi ẹse rẹ si apa kan, ma se pa kokoro ni, kokoro ti iwọ ko le da, Ọlọrun lo le da
- ethnic nursery rhymes things

EyeHateGod:
I need you too baby

Why do you hate God?

You need a relationship with God more
Her heavenly Father is God, so seek first God and His righteousness, then all things, including ''having the bae'' shall be added unto you

Image123:
But you are experiencing it na.

You really are funny in what you've been writing about the devourer
and your ''make it up, as you go along'' interpretation of the Bible when writing about the devourer is comic relief

Devourers are pests (e.g. locusts, cankerworms, caterpillers, or palmerworms) that lick up grass of the field, eat crops and vines in the fields
No one encountered the devourer or experienced a devourer attack

³⁰“Truly I tell you,” Jesus replied, “this very night before the rooster crows twice, you will deny Me three times.”
³¹But Peter kept insisting,
“Even if I have to die with You, I will never deny You.”
And all the others said the same.
- Mark 14:31

⁵⁴So they arrested Jesus and led him away to the chief priest's house. Peter followed at a distance.
⁵⁵Some men had lit a fire in the middle of the courtyard. As they sat together, Peter sat among them.
⁵⁶A female servant saw him as he sat facing the glow of the fire. She stared at him and said, "This man was with Jesus."
⁵⁷But Peter denied it by saying, "I don't know him, woman."
⁵⁸A little later someone else saw Peter and said, "You are one of them."
But Peter said, "Not me!"
⁵⁹About an hour later another person insisted, "It's obvious that this man was with him. He's a Galilean!"
⁶⁰But Peter said,
"I don't know what you're talking about!" Just then, while he was still speaking, a rooster crowed.
⁶¹Then the Lord turned and looked directly at Peter.
Peter remembered what the Lord had said:
"Before a rooster crows today, you will say three times that you don't know me."
⁶²Then Peter went outside and cried bitterly.
- Luke 22:54-62

Its impossible for an Omniscient, Omni-know-everything to be and/or get disappointed
Case in point, Jesus was not DISAPPOINTED, when or after Peter DENIED Him three times

ikorodureporta:
...i neva said that. Read my intro

and where have you read anyone saying you said that?

Read what I submitted to facepalm realise whose post the remark was referring to. SMH