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Christianity Etc › Re: Why Did Jesus Curse The Fig Tree? by MuttleyLaff: 10:47am On Oct 09, 2016
EHMIR:
The character of Jesus is a conflicting one..
Well that is an opinion of yours which isnt a fact
Jesus is always true to Himself

EHMIR:
I dont knw why a "harmless and peaceful" will place an eternal curse on an innocent fig tree...
It's nothing personal , just sheer pronoucement of judgment
The alternative of the tree and fruit buds being BLESSED before eating if there were to be any fruit buds at all, is to CURSE the tree for failing to provide or deliver fruit buds

EHMIR:
i mean what sin has d fig tree commintted to ve recieved such treatment?
The fig tree failed or missed the mark of not producing expected fruit buds in due season, this was worsened by keeping up appearances having leaves, as if it really did have or bear fruit buds
It ought to have been bearing a spring fruit known as profichi but it didnt

EHMIR:
Is it that Jesus is not what bible portrays him to be...somebody had better explain this
Jesus is everything the bible potrays Him to be, firm but fair and all
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Did Jesus Curse The Fig Tree? by MuttleyLaff:
chinnyness122:
[size=5pt]Mark 11:12-14 says,
The next day, as they were coming back from Bethany, Jesus was hungry. He saw in a distance a fig tree covered with leaves, so He went to see if He could find any figs on it. But when He came to it, he found only leaves, BECAUSE IT WAS NOT THE RIGHT TIME FOR FIGS. Jesus said to the fig tree " No one shall ever eat figs from you again!" And His disciples heard Him.

then verses 20-21 says
Early the next morning, as they walked along the road, they saw the fig tree. It was dead all the way down to its root. Peter remembered what happened and said "look, Teacher, the fig tree you cursed has died!"[/size]

So my brethren, I ask, because I am not understanding. since it wasn't time for the fig to bear fruits, was He really expecting to see some figs up there?
He was expecting to see fruit buds
Read below about what ''it wasn't time for the fig to bear fruits'' means and etcetera

chinnyness122:
I know every fruit and.plants have their seasons. Is there suppose to be some kinda miracle fruit up there?
Pls someone should explain plz, I want to understand
No, not some kind of miracle fruit but fruit buds that come out in the spring
Notice that, the fig tree had leaves, like as if it is protecting fruit buds
(i.e. this is what trees do with the leaves to protect fruit from birds etcetera)

Now, what ''it wasn't time for the fig to bear fruits'' means, is that:
''Dont make the mistake that the fruits have already been harvested, to mean, that is why there arent any fruits left on the tree. No.
This tree, at this time in spring, is meant to have bore fruit buds
but it hasnt and only has leaves, pretending that it bears the expected and to be seen, fruit buds

Truth be told that, what is supposed to be up there, is a teaching about bearing fruits (i.e. good and/or useful fruits)
and the consequence for not bearing such fruits in expected time and/or due season

6Then Jesus told this story: “A man planted a fig tree in his garden and came again and again to see if there was any fruit on it, but he was always disappointed.
7Finally, he said to his gardener, ‘I’ve waited three years, and there hasn’t been a single fig! Cut it down. It’s just taking up space in the garden.’
8“The gardener answered, ‘Sir, give it one more chance. Leave it another year, and I’ll give it special attention and plenty of fertilizer.
9If we get figs next year, fine. If not, then you can cut it down.’”

- Luke 13:6-8 NLT
Christianity Etc › Re: How Should I Pay My Tithe? by MuttleyLaff: 7:43am On Oct 09, 2016
nmreports:
This tithe issue ehn.
Some other question I'd like to ask is;
is it meant to be paid in the church you worship
Refer to #2. and #5. above

nmreports:
or anywhere or any pastor you feel?
Refer to #8. and #9. above

nmreports:
Is it a sin to not pay tithe? etc.
As a believer it isnt a sin (i.e. #7. and #10. above)
Christianity Etc › Re: How Should I Pay My Tithe? by MuttleyLaff:
richie44:
Please I need clarification
Am I supposed to pay my tithe on my total sales or my profit
Ojestas:
Your net profit.
royalvalentine19:
10% out of your net profit. Noting more, nothing less
You are not to pay tithe at all for the following 10 reasons
1.) You are not a Jew or an Israelite, who was commanded by God to pay tithe from cultivating crops or breeding and raising livestock (e.g. cows and/or lambs) in the Promised Land
2.) The tithe commanded by God was meant to be given ONLY in Israel, meant to be paid ONLY in Israel and meant to be received ONLY in Israel
3.) The methodolody used for selecting the tithe, was to hand-pick for tithe, the tenth livestock (e.g. cows, lambs) that passes under the rod
4.) The implication of #3 above, is that if you started with 1 livestock (e.g. 1 cow or 1 lamb) and at the end of year, bred and raised 9 cows or 9 lambs, then you dont pay tithe for that year
5.) Tithe were received in Jerusalem and for convenience stored up in a number of Levitical cities scattered all over Israel
6.) Where an Israelite is supposed to pay tithe on sales, is when ONLY buying back the tithe, (i.e. buying back the tenth cow, lamb or cultivated crops)
-there however, is a warning that the Israelite pays the going rate or value of the bought back the tenth cow, lamb or cultivated crops tithe, plus 20 percent.
7.) The bible is a book of divisions, where some parts, like tithe part, was meant for and talking exclusively to the Israelites and no else
8.) The common denominator in all biblical tithe giving (e.g. Abraham's tithe and the Israelites tithings) is a high priest or Levite physically receiving the tithe
9.) The implication of #8 above, is that a pastor is neither a high priest or Levite, hence has no business receiving tithe nor have any jurisdiction over tithe.
10.) Tithe was an obligatory and mandatory giving command made to the Israelite
Contributions which are voluntary and optional is the sort of giving expected from a believer(s)
It is what a believer decides in the heart and is comfortable with to give that God expects
Also believers shouldn't be sorry that they have given or feel forced in response to pressure to give
Christianity Etc › Re: Bizarre Scratch Marks On The Body by MuttleyLaff: 5:57am On Oct 09, 2016
Jumaii:
Can anyone please explain this?

https://www.nairaland.com/3252976/please-spiritual-health-condition....strange-marks#47942600

My child woke up this morning with the same kind of marks all over the back where her hand could not have possibly reached.
Please i need answers as this is really driving me nuts.
This is the third time it is happening. In my quest for an answer, i found the link i posted above.
MizMyColi:
I'm awake now.

I slept in the Parlor again and as usual restless.

I can feel pains all over my legs. Both of them.
Apparently I have been using my toenails to scratch unrepentantly while asleep.

Now the funny thing is, had I not gained consciousness as I have now, by the time I'm very awake in the morning, I won't even feel like I was bitten by anything.
I just sprayed Baygon now, so everywhere is Kinda peaceful again.

Funny enough, it's just a mosquito or three that wrecks this kind of carnagegrin

I have very short fingers but longer toenails, I think I'm bleeding sef. Won't be surprised to see em marks in the morning.

Oh wait!
The mosquitoes are actually demons sent to perch on my skin and cause me to scratch away. cheesy cheesy cheesy if I hear!grin

Let me try to get sleep now.
I'm done Journalling.
To be honest, I wasn't initially going to comment on the thread and its OP but all the ludicrous comments on demons or whatnot is taking it too far.

For those not in the know, it is mites that is causing the marks on the body.

Some are bound to be abused by mites when sleeping on mites-infested beds like in hotels etcetera or from sleeping on mats or mattresses placed on the floor, which they easily crawl on to from the ground.

Another thing that attracts them to their victims is carbon dioxide. The CO2 air-draught that is emitted from sleeping with the mouth left open, is what attracts the mites to their victims to burrow into their skins to suck blood. It is the mites burrowing on the skin that leaves the body marks.

Most people are immune to mites attacks, but for the unfortunate ones that aren't, it usually isn't a nice experience to have.

Three people might sleep in the same bed or room with only one attacked by the mites, this is due to individual body physiological make up

MizMyColi:
As I suspected, I saw marks on my leg this morning. I felt slight pain while bathing.
Feeling slight pain when having bath is normal, the mites burrow the skin finding veins before sinking in their mandibles to feed and gorge on the victim's blood.

The mites burrowing causes welts on the skin.

Water contact with the welts causes irritation or slight pain sensation. The welts dries up and heals after a few days, leaving no permanent scars behind.

The experience is re-lived when next one has a mite encounter or attack
Christianity Etc › Re: My Latest Take On Strange Marks That Appear On The Body by MuttleyLaff:
MizMyColi:
As I suspected, I saw marks on my leg this morning. I felt slight pain while bathing.
Feeling slight pain when having bath is normal, the mites burrow the skin finding veins before sinking in their mandibles to feed and gorge on the victim's blood.

The mites burrowing causes welts on the skin.

Water contact with the welts causes irritation or slight pain sensation. The welts dries up and heals after a few days, leaving no permanent scars behind.

The experience is re-lived when next one has a mite encounter or attack
Christianity Etc › Re: My Latest Take On Strange Marks That Appear On The Body by MuttleyLaff:
MizMyColi:
I'm awake now.

I slept in the Parlor again and as usual restless.

I can feel pains all over my legs. Both of them.
Apparently I have been using my toenails to scratch unrepentantly while asleep.

Now the funny thing is, had I not gained consciousness as I have now, by the time I'm very awake in the morning, I won't even feel like I was bitten by anything.
I just sprayed Baygon now, so everywhere is Kinda peaceful again.

Funny enough, it's just a mosquito or three that wrecks this kind of carnagegrin

I have very short fingers but longer toenails, I think I'm bleeding sef. Won't be surprised to see em marks in the morning.

Oh wait!
The mosquitoes are actually demons sent to perch on my skin and cause me to scratch away. cheesy cheesy cheesy if I hear!grin

Let me try to get sleep now.
I'm done Journalling.
To be honest, I wasn't initially going to comment on the thread and its OP but all the ludicrous comments on demons or whatnot is taking it too far.

For those not in the know, it is mites that is causing the marks on the body.

Some are bound to be abused by mites when sleeping on mites-infested beds like in hotels etcetera or from sleeping on mats or mattresses placed on the floor, which they easily crawl on to from the ground.

Another thing that attracts them to their victims is carbon dioxide. The CO2 air-draught that is emitted from sleeping with the mouth left open, is what attracts the mites to their victims to burrow into their skins to suck blood. It is the mites burrowing on the skin that leaves the body marks.

Most people are immune to mites attacks, but for the unfortunate ones that aren't, it usually isn't a nice experience to have.

Three people might sleep in the same bed or room with only one attacked by the mites, this is due to individual body physiological make up
Celebrities › Re: Video:european Union Order Buhari With Immediate And Safe Release Of Nnmadi Kanu by MuttleyLaff: 10:51pm On Oct 04, 2016
PMB should do his version of Philippines president, Rodrigo Duterte's ''I say to them (i.e. EU), f*** you''
Christianity Etc › Re: Bet U Wouldn't Av Known Wat To Say Even If U Claim To Be A Christian by MuttleyLaff: 2:12am On Oct 03, 2016
brandon180:
I av a friend.. strong atheist nothing u say can prove to dis gal that God exists... today while coming back from church she met me on d road...and after d usual mocking.... she told Me she could prove to me that God doesn't exist...told her to go on..
this is how d conversation went..
she:..wat u see n wat u hear or read which one do u believe..
me: wat I see
she: av u Eva seen God..
I already knew were she was heading...
me: no
she: so hw can u believe in someone u ve not seen b4..
wat will be ur reply if u were in my shoes
If in your shoes, reply would be:
indeed, our lives are guided by faith, not by sight, and followed with the parody below

She: What you see and what you hear or read, which one do you believe?
You: What I see
She: Have you ever seen my brain?
You: no, as I already knew were she was heading...
She: so how can you believe I have a brain when you've not seen it before?
You: It will be a toss between having to be guided by faith, and not by sight
or having to wack you strong enough in the head to see whether you really do have brains or grey matter inside it
The first, is a safer choice to make

Jesus said to Thomas,
"You believe because you've seen me. Blessed are those who haven't seen me but believe."

- John 20:29
Christianity Etc › Re: Jesus is a Living Ideology; Jesus is The Software Of God. by MuttleyLaff: 9:58pm On Oct 02, 2016
MrPresident1:
Mazi Lalasticlala!
Fresh bread for God's children on a beautiful sunday morning, saaah!
MrPresident1:
Dr Lalasticlala
This is a good topic for Sunday edification of the brethren grin
https://i57.tinypic.com/34sp9j4.gif
It seems flattery nowadays won't get you anywhere anymore with Lalasticlala
Try again, on Sunday the 9th of October but without cosying up to him, you might become third time lucky grin
Christianity Etc › Re: Jesus is a Living Ideology; Jesus is The Software Of God. by MuttleyLaff: 9:58pm On Oct 02, 2016
MrPresident1:
John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:14
And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Question: "What does Christ mean?"

Answer:
To the surprise of some, “Christ” is not Jesus’ last name (surname). “Christ” comes from the Greek word Christos, meaning “anointed one” or “chosen one.”
This is the Greek equivalent of the Hebrew word Mashiach, or “Messiah.” h ttp://w ww.gotquestions.org/what-does-Christ-mean.html

Jesus is the Word/Law of God that became flesh in that this law was coded into ''anointed ones'' or ''chosen ones'',
in other words, Jesus is the Law of God coded/personified into a human being that makes that person a Christ.

Jesus in essence is software, and Christ is hardware
It's the other way round
because Jesus, actually, in essence is hardware (i.e. physical, body, can be touched)
and Christ, really is software (i.e. spirit, intangible, can't be touched)

Your laptop, mobile phone or personal computer is hardware
The laptop's, mobile phone's or personal computer's operating system or Nairaland and the browser on which Nairaland runs, is software

MrPresident1:
Jesus Christ is men anointed/coded with Jesus the Word and Law of God
This remark will complicate matters for your readers
Simply put, every word (i.e. instructions or algorithm) that proceeds from the mouth of King (e.g. God) is law (i.e. algorithm)
Jesus Christ, who in the beginning was the word, became the law (i.e. instructions or algorithm)
Algorithm are first words, it is written words that make up the rules which algorithm is made up of

MrPresident1:
Jesus (software) = Word/Law of God
Christ (Hardware) = chosen men anointed with the Word/Law
Jesus Christ = Men running on the Word/Law of God
8But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart,”
that is, the word of faith we are proclaiming:
9that if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.
10For with your heart you believe and are justified, and with your mouth you confess and are saved
- Romans 10:8-10

Jesus = Word/Law of God
but Jesus ≠ software because Jesus = hardware

Christ = chosen men anointed with the Word/Law
but Christ ≠ Hardware because Christ = software

Jesus Christ = Men running on the Word/Law of God
because such men running on the Word/Law of God are running software or applications developed from set of divine instructions or algorithms

With Romans 10:8-10, Christ the software is downloaded, when declaring with the mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believing in the heart that God raised Him from the dead.
The hardware (i.e. appropiate parts of your body) has to be switched on to receive the downloading Christ software
The Christ software icon has to be clicked on to for starting or loading up and remain running until the time to die
Christianity Etc › Re: How Pastors Receive CURSES - T.B. Joshua by MuttleyLaff:
MarkMiwerds:
What Abram gave to Melchizedek was the spoills of war. Not Abram's monetary income.
Nor were the tithes of the Israelites of their monetary income.

No one in the Bible tithed their monetary income.
1So Isaac called for Jacob, blessed him,
and said, “You must not marry any of these Canaanite women.
2Instead, go at once to Paddan-aram, to the house of your grandfather Bethuel, and marry one of your uncle Laban’s daughters.
3May God Almighty bless you and give you many children. And may your descendants multiply and become many nations!
4May God pass on to you and your descendants the blessings he promised to Abraham.
May you own this land where you are now living as a foreigner, for God gave this land to Abraham
.”

10Meanwhile, Jacob left Beersheba and traveled toward Haran.
11At sundown he arrived at a good place to set up camp and stopped there for the night.
Jacob found a stone to rest his head against and lay down to sleep.
12As he slept, he dreamed of a stairway that reached from the earth up to heaven. And he saw the angels of God going up and down the stairway.
13At the top of the stairway stood the Lord, and he said,
“I am the Lord, the God of your grandfather Abraham, and the God of your father, Isaac.
The ground you are lying on belongs to you. I am giving it to you and your descendants.
14Your descendants will be as numerous as the dust of the earth!
They will spread out in all directions—to the west and the east, to the north and the south.
And all the families of the earth will be blessed through you and your descendants
.
15What’s more, I am with you, and I will protect you wherever you go.
One day I will bring you back to this land. I will not leave you until I have finished giving you everything I have promised you
.”
16Then Jacob awoke from his sleep and said, “Surely the Lord is in this place, and I wasn’t even aware of it!”
17But he was also afraid and said, “What an awesome place this is! It is none other than the house of God, the very gateway to heaven!”
18The next morning Jacob got up very early. He took the stone he had rested his head against, and he set it upright as a memorial pillar. Then he poured olive oil over it.
19He named that place Bethel (which means “house of God”), although it was previously called Luz.
20Then Jacob made this vow:
“If God will indeed be with me and protect me on this journey, and if he will provide me with food and clothing,
21and if I return safely to my father’s home, then the Lord will certainly be my God.
22And this memorial pillar I have set up will become a place for worshiping God,
and I will present to God a tenth of everything he gives me.”

- Genesis 28:1-4, 10-22

The above was Jacob’s dream at Bethel and his promise to tithe
The tithe was officially claimed and ordered for by God in
Leviticus 27:30, 32-33

Jacob, as we know was, later in Genesis 32, renamed Israel by God,
and also, the term Israelite, actually is a derivation from his new name, Israel.

The Israelites not only got their name from Jacob's new name (i.e. Israel),
their national identity of paying tithe is an inherited obligation from Jacob and this national obligation came about mainly due to the vow Jacob made in Genesis 28:22

''One tenth of the produce of the land, whether grain from the fields or fruit from the trees, belongs to the LORD
and must be set apart to him as holy
''
- Leviticus 27:30 NLT

32Every tenth head of cattle or sheep that you counted is holy and belongs to the LORD.
33You must not look to see if it is good or bad or exchange it.
But if you do exchange it, both the first animal and its substitute will be holy. They cannot be bought back."

- Leviticus 27:32-33

Four hundred and thirty plus years later, upon the Israelites leaving Egypt and arriving at Canaan, (i.e. the Promised land), God, in Leviticus 27:30 staked a claim for what is rightfully His

The Israelites, in effect because of Jacob's promise to God in Genesis 28:22, had to and must pay tithe

Genesis 28:10-22 narrates how this Israelite tithing thing all came about

Genesis 28:10-22 describes the mutual promise of what each in the Jacob-God party will do for the other
(i.e. what each shall do, give, take and receive)

God's promise to bring Jacob back to Canaan, not to leave him until God had finished giving Jacob everything He had promised Jacob provoked an emotional reaction from Jacob that triggered Jacob to counter-promise give tithe to God if he ''return safely to his father’s home''

That tithe promised by Jacob to give, was officially claimed and ordered for by God from the Israelites, beginning in Leviticus 27:30, 32-33

Montaque:
One tenth of your increase whatever way it comes, as a farmer or a banker.
''One tenth of the produce of the land, whether grain from the fields or fruit from the trees, belongs to the LORD
and must be set apart to him as holy
''
- Leviticus 27:30 NLT

32Every tenth head of cattle or sheep that you counted is holy and belongs to the LORD.
33You must not look to see if it is good or bad or exchange it.
But if you do exchange it, both the first animal and its substitute will be holy. They cannot be bought back."

- Leviticus 27:32-33

Tithing was for the agro based or agriculture-based setting,
and it specifically has to enforced or be done in regards to lands or locations in the Israel (i.e. Canaan, the Promised Land)

The arable/husbandry land owner or employer-farmer pays tithe,
the worker or employee farmhand is exempted,
as there is/was no law that required a tenth of one's monetary salary to be tithed

The tenth of the increase is particurlarly only with an agro based or agriculture-based setting
and the selection is done by letting the flock pass over a rod,
where every tenth count whether good or bad looking is God's and put aside as tithe


If a farmer, at the beginning of the year, started with one cow and at end of the year had 9 cows, then according to Leviticus 27:32 methodology of paying tithe, the farmer has no case of tithe paying here

Salary earners such as bankers etcetera, have no business with paying tithes

Besides so many other informative and persuasive reasons, if at all one is determined and hell-bent on paying tithe,
then, one has to be an Israelite and the land which tithe is paid on or paid from has to be in Israel (i.e. Canaan the Promised Land)
Christianity Etc › Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome Media Empire Goes Bankrupt by MuttleyLaff: 7:32pm On Sep 18, 2016
donephi:
All these people making claims with out prove nor evidence, what do you stand to benefit from this un[b]confirmed story[/b]. In fact fallacy.
When this newspaper visited the Ikeja office of the two media houses, disgruntled journalists narrated how the fortunes of the organization have plunged over the years under Sylvester Ebodaghe, a deacon and one of Pastor Chris’s minions who runs the publishing business, despite huge funds the church pumps into it.

https://s9.postimg.org/tfdkw08cv/Deac_Oyak.png
eacon Armstrong Oyakhilome, Pastor Chris’s uncle

In a July 18, 2016 SOS letter the angry staff presented to Deacon Armstrong Oyakhilome, Pastor Chris’s uncle and guardian, the staff narrated how Sylvester Ebodaghe’s mismanagement and incompetence have set the media empire back from a once bubbly organization to a desolate orb where staff constantly shut down production to press home their demands.
“We are wondering if you are aware that:. Employees of Paradigm Communications Ltd are being owed arrears of salaries running into five months, and still counting.

National Standard Magazine, once an award-winning journal of development and nation building, is no longer in circulation for seven months now. In 2015, the magazine was only published twice in February and December. The story was not quite different in 2014 and 2013 respective

The information we received from the Sylvester Ebodaghe-led management is that the magazine is not being funded by anyone or group, as a result, it makes no business sense publishing the magazine again. Except once in a while when the magazine has to be packaged to celebrate the birthday of the Man of God, Pastor Chris, or when Sylvester Ebodaghe himself has a special project.

The National Daily Newspaper is not without its own challenges too. Besides its 13-man editorial team and four-man circulation staff in Lagos, the newspaper, which is supposed to be a nationwide publication, has seven out-station correspondents who are mostly not paid. As if to worsen the crises, the management has sacked the entire marketing & advert departments for a long while now, hence making it impossible for the titles to reach out and drive revenue generation…’ the letter read in part.

And although Deacon Armstrong Oyakhilome, who is also a prominent Administrator in the Believers Love World Ministry, aka Christ Embassy, promised the disgruntled staff their salaries will be paid within two weeks of receiving their SOS, this newspaper gathered that the church reneged on its promise after Sylvester Ebodaghe recruited the service of a certain unknown lawyer to intercede with Deacon Armstrong on his behalf so that Pastor Chris does not get to hear of the crises threatening the life of its media empire.

“We already suspect that they might not pay us because Deacon Armstrong specifically told our representatives who presented the letter to the church that he doesn’t want to hurt Sylvester Ebodaghe,’ one of the staff told this newspaper.

This newspaper learnt that after Pastor Chris’s uncle and Sylvester Ebodaghe conspired to shield the SOS from reaching Pastor Chris Oyakhilome, Sylvester has been threatening to sack all of the journalists in the two stables rather than pay the backlog as promised by the church.
“In fact, he began interviewing some journalists recently after Deacon Armstrong Oyakhilome asked us to go back to work,’ another staff recounts.
But the angry staff told this newspaper that they are planning to surprise both Sylvester Ebodaghe and the church if the arrears of salaries are not paid within 72 hours. “We are waiting for them to default again so we can be absolutely justified in our actions,’ a staff reveals to this newspaper.

http://ashaanewsonline..co.uk/2016/09/oyakhilome-media-empire-goes-broke.html
http://naijachurchnews.com/hungry-workers-oyakhilomes-national-daily-cry/
Christianity Etc › Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome Media Empire Goes Bankrupt by MuttleyLaff: 2:40pm On Sep 18, 2016
Seun:
Cash cows generally generate lots of money, so pumping money into them wouldn't be warranted.
I was referring to RoR being a cash cow product and investment that provides a steady income and/or profit.
Christianity Etc › Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome Media Empire Goes Bankrupt by MuttleyLaff: 1:36pm On Sep 18, 2016
Seun:
Does Pastor Chris own any part of the business?
If not, why does he pump money into it. Please educate us.
This stuff is very interesting
.
Predominantly because it is a cash cow
Christianity Etc › Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome Media Empire Goes Bankrupt by MuttleyLaff: 1:32pm On Sep 18, 2016
societygazette:
Pastor Chris Oyakhilome Media Empire Goes Bankrupt
Unable to pay six months salaries
Angry staff lay siege on Church

After several months of internal dislocation involving staff of his two media outfits, Pastor Chris Oyakhilome has finally joined the infamous league of extremely rich publishers who would not pay journalists their meager wages despite the huge wealth they flaunt around.
According to investigation, staff of the National Daily Newspaper and National Standard Magazine are being owed a backlog of up to six months salaries with no breather in sight.
When www.societygazetteng.com visited the Ikeja office of the two media houses, disgruntled journalists narrated how the fortunes of the organization have plunged over the years under Sylvester Ebodaghe, a deacon and one of Pastor Chris’s minions who runs the publishing business, despite huge funds the church pumps into it.
http://societygazetteng.com/pastor-chris-oyakhilome-media-empire-goes-bankrupt/
Yall do know who Ebodaghe is?
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Should I Pay Tithe To My Pastor????????????????????? by MuttleyLaff: 1:29pm On Sep 18, 2016
frubben:
Hmmmm very revealing, that's wat I love to see, scriptural proof of the birth aspect. Tanks
You're welcome, our people hace been mind enslaved so long so keep up the ''free your mind'' work
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Should I Pay Tithe To My Pastor????????????????????? by MuttleyLaff: 6:28pm On Sep 11, 2016
frubben:
Scriptural backing sir, would be glad
1This is how Aaron’s descendants, the priests, were divided into groups for service.
The sons of Aaron were Nadab, Abihu, Eleazar, and Ithamar.
2But Nadab and Abihu died before their father, and they had no sons. So only Eleazar and Ithamar were left to carry on as priests.
3With the help of Zadok, who was a descendant of Eleazar, and of Ahimelech, who was a descendant of Ithamar, David divided Aaron’s descendants into groups according to their various duties.
4Eleazar’s descendants were divided into sixteen groups and Ithamar’s into eight, for there were more family leaders among the descendants of Eleazar.
5All tasks were assigned to the various groups by means of sacred lots so that no preference would be shown, for there were many qualified officials serving God in the sanctuary from among the descendants of both Eleazar and Ithamar.
6Shemaiah son of Nethanel, a Levite, acted as secretary and wrote down the names and assignments in the presence of the king, the officials, Zadok the priest, Ahimelech son of Abiathar, and the family leaders of the priests and Levites.
The descendants of Eleazar and Ithamar took turns casting lots.
7The first lot fell to Jehoiarib.The second lot fell to Jedaiah.
8The third lot fell to Harim.The fourth lot fell to Seorim.
9The fifth lot fell to Malkijah.The sixth lot fell to Mijamin.
10The seventh lot fell to Hakkoz. The eighth lot fell to Abijah
- 1 Chronicles 24:1-10

5When Herod was king of Judea, there was a Jewish priest named Zechariah.
He was a member of the priestly order of Abijah, and his wife, Elizabeth, was also from the priestly line of Aaron.
6Zechariah and Elizabeth were righteous in God’s eyes, careful to obey all of the Lord’s commandments and regulations.
7They had no children because Elizabeth was unable to conceive, and they were both very old.
8One day Zechariah was serving God in the Temple, for his order was on duty that week.
9As was the custom of the priests, he was chosen by lot to enter the sanctuary of the Lord and burn incense.
10While the incense was being burned, a great crowd stood outside, praying.
11While Zechariah was in the sanctuary, an angel of the Lord appeared to him, standing to the right of the incense altar.
12Zechariah was shaken and overwhelmed with fear when he saw him.
13But the angel said,
“Don’t be afraid, Zechariah! God has heard your prayer. Your wife, Elizabeth, will give you a son, and you are to name him John
- Luke 1:5-13

John the Baptist's parents are both from the tribe of Levi
Everything else you wrote is 110% correct except for the marriage, procreation and ''job'' oversight
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Should I Pay Tithe To My Pastor????????????????????? by MuttleyLaff: 4:55pm On Sep 11, 2016
frubben:
The only people permitted to collect tithe in the bible are the "LEVITE",
because they don't marry, own any property, have any job or give birth.

So let's really follow the bible and be obedient.
Our business men of now, give birth, own fleet of cars, born full everywhere so why should I disobey the bible huh??

#learnfromdbible
The correct information learnt from the bible is that John the Baptist's dad who was a Levite was married
He had a job albeit not gainful employment or entrepreneurial ones but served in the temple performing priestly service before God
He gave birth to John the Baptist
Christianity Etc › Re: Bishop Eddie Long Dying Of Stage 4 Cancer by MuttleyLaff: 1:51pm On Sep 11, 2016
sukkot:
true. both of them make you look the same outwardly. whatever it is, its Gods judgement of sorts. the man was really out there doing crazy things in the church. one time he was being lifted up on a throne as some kind of emperor lolzzz. its on youtube. this man turned the church into some joke grin
SMH. Going to Prophet E. Vernard Jordan of all people.
Maybe the African Prophet was TBJ

True to the joke form, he even went to see Prophet E. Vernard Jordan for prayer and Spiritual Guidance.

Allegedly, whilst at Jordan’s house, an African Prophet was called to pray and cast out the demonic spirit on Bishop Eddie Long.
According to the source, the African Prophet called the name of a man that was said to have been very close to Bishop Long and may have infected him with a dreadful disease.

https://obnoxioustelevision.com/2016/09/02/obnoxious-breaking-news-report-bishop-eddie-longs-doctors-have-found-cancer-in-the-fourth-stage-and-have-given-him-up-eddie-long-only-has-months-to-live-and-was-admitted-to-an-atlanta/
Christianity Etc › Re: Bishop Eddie Long Dying Of Stage 4 Cancer by MuttleyLaff: 1:07pm On Sep 11, 2016
1bkaye:
Claimed it was down to his new vegan lifestyle but I don't know man, he looks sick.
Have his team officially come out to say it's cancer or is it still just speculation?
Kaposi sarcoma (KS) is a cancer that develops from the cells that line lymph or blood vessels. It was once an uncommon cancer that mainly affected older men of Mediterranean, Eastern European, or Middle Eastern ancestry, organ transplant patients, or young men in Africa. But in the past few decades, most KS cases in the United States have been linked to HIV infection in men who have sex with men. These cases are called epidemic KS (or AIDS-related KS).

KS is related to a second viral infection. This virus is called human herpesvirus 8 ( HHV-8 ) also known as Kaposi sarcoma-associated herpesvirus (KSHV). HHV-8 does not seem to cause disease in most healthy people. The HHV-8 virus is found in saliva, which may be one of the ways it is passed to others. In the United States, infection with HHV-8 is common among men who have sex with men, but it can also be shared between men and women.

In most cases, epidemic KS causes dark purplish or brownish spots (called lesions) on the skin or in the mouth. KS may also affect the lymph nodes and other organs, such as the digestive tract, lungs, liver, and spleen.

When they are first diagnosed, some people with HIV and KS have no other symptoms, especially if their only lesions are on the skin. But some – even those with no skin lesions – can have other symptoms, such as swollen lymph nodes, unexplained fever, or weight loss. Over time, epidemic KS spreads throughout the body. If KS involves a lot of the lung or intestine, it can be fatal.

To learn more about this type of cancer, see our document Kaposi Sarcoma.

http://www.cancer.org/cancer/cancercauses/othercarcinogens/infectiousagents/hivinfectionandaids/hiv-infection-and-aids-hiv-aids-and-cancer

http://www.cancer.org/cancer/kaposisarcoma/detailedguide/kaposi-sarcoma-what-is-kaposi-sarcoma

sukkot:
i think it is official

http://www.inquisitr.com/3488386/eddie-long-hospitalized-controversial-megachurch-bishop-denies-claim-that-cancer-death-is-imminent/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLwWFdporfw
Technically its cancer, just like Clinton's infamous line ''I did not have sexual relations with that woman''
Love the various pop ups in this video,
they keep popping up at the right moment, as he comes out with an official but sanitised version of the situation
Christianity Etc › Re: Bishop Eddie Long Dying Of Stage 4 Cancer by MuttleyLaff: 10:24am On Sep 11, 2016
sukkot:
yeah AIDS right ? lol. well they are saying its cancer so thats what we have to go with
He claims it is a health challenge that he trusts God to deliver him from, well tell that to the marines
This is a textbook case Freddie Mercury situation
Karma skips no man
Christianity Etc › Re: Bishop Eddie Long Dying Of Stage 4 Cancer by MuttleyLaff: 10:17am On Sep 11, 2016
sukkot:
hmmm
Those pictures reminds me of Queen's Freddie Mercury
Hope its not what I think it is,
even if it is what I think or if its the alleged stage 4 cancer neither is good
Christianity Etc › Re: Chris Oyakhilome Preaching Witchcraft, Author Blasts Over Anti-feminist Sermon by MuttleyLaff: 8:44am On Sep 10, 2016
petra1:
It's not true. Firstly this is what he had been teaching right from beginning. Not a new message. Secondly there was no 12 Yrs crisis. She comes for conferences and minister. Even as at 3 years ago they were on holiday in her hometown in Switzerland . The hotel gave him a presidential welcome. I have a witness who was there . And he was telling me about the presidential welcome which fascinated him
https://s17.postimg.org/9qk39kofj/Are_Like_This_Loyalty.jpg

petra1:
You're not there to know what effort was made. She left the house and She gave impossible condition for come back. If their daughter who is over 20yrs old could call the father the best dad in the world . There's nothing' an outsider would say that should count .anyone can peddle anything online. There's no lady with skimpy dress in White House. They all dress responsibly. Besides he lives with his daughter. We should get off other people's matter and pray if we care enough .?
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Christianity Etc › Re: Chris Oyakhilome Preaching Witchcraft, Author Blasts Over Anti-feminist Sermon by MuttleyLaff: 8:14am On Sep 10, 2016
petra1:
This is trash. He didn't preach the sermon after divorce. He preached it years ago.
And he has been preaching it ever since. It's not a fresh message
Trust the usual suspects to put head above the parapet to speak their minds and be in denial

Topgainer:
The Bishop has already started having issues with his wife when he began to justify it with that preaching.
The first rumor that love was lost in the Bishop's marriage was about 12 years ago but many dismissed it based on the pretences displayed on stage.
Word.

Topgainer:
If Chris wants his wife back, he should just humble himself, approach her with love and a promise to respect her opinion concerning the skimpy dressed ladies at the white house and he will be forgiven. It is in his hands
Dont worry, trust Benny when in Lagos hosted by him between October 27 - 29 can give him tips on ''how to win your wife back after a divorce filing scare and living separately for nearly four years from wife''

Is there anything impossible for God?
Christianity Etc › Re: Tithe by MuttleyLaff: 1:43am On Sep 05, 2016
frubben:
Mark Zukerberge does not pay tithe

Bill gate don't pay tithe

Warrer buffet don't pay tithe

Frubben don't pay tithe

Just to mention some few people that controls the world. Hey has it not occur to you that your pastor has being enriching himself with such money and deceiving you. The bible says I allow the rain to fall on good and bad (even the bad don't pay tithe) but dey are enjoying this things not to talk of we children of God.
Those men I have mention above have given almost all there wealth to CHARITY work to
make the world a better place. God will not spell doom on you if u channel your money to the right part not to one building that only help one person (pastor)..
Be wise

"Let your light so shine that when people see you they will praise God in heaven. God bless you
Theologians, Pastors and Denominations etcetera who dont subscribe to tithing

Tertullian (160 – 220)
First Christian author to produce an extensive corpus of Latin Christian literature,
Called “the father of Latin Christianity” and “the founder of Western theology

“every one puts a little to the public stock, commonly once a month, or when he pleases,
and only upon condition that he is both willing and able; for there is no compulsion upon any.
All here is a free-will offering”
“The Apology”, Chapter XXXIX

John Wycliffe (1330 – 1384)
Theologian, Reformer, Teacher at Oxford in England,
Translated the bible from Vulgate into vernacular English
(The Wycliffe Bible)
“why curates are so severe in exacting tithes, since Christ and his apostles took no tithes, as men do now ;
neither paid them, nor even spoke of them, either in the Gospel or the Epistles, which are the perfect law of freedom and grace.
But Christ lived on the alms of holy women, as the Gospel telleth ; and the apostles lived sometimes by the labor of their hands,
and sometimes took a poor livelihood and clothing, given of free will and devotion by the people, without asking or constraining.”

” Paul proved that priests, preaching truly the gospel, should live by the gospel, and said naught of tithes.
Certainly tithes were due to priests in the Old Law — but it is not so now, in the law of grace.”
“Tracts and Treatises of John de Wycliffe” 1845 Translation by Robert Vaughan

Martin Luther (1483 – 1546)
Professor of theology,
Seminal figure of the Protestant Reformation, Known for “Ninety-Five Theses”,
Translated the Bible from Latin into a native language

“But the other commandments of Moses, which are not [implanted in all men] by nature, the Gentiles do not hold.
Nor do these pertain to the Gentiles, such as the tithe”
“How Christians Should Regard Moses ” p.139; August 27, 1525

John Wesley (1703 – 1791)
Theologian, Credited with the foundation Methodism.
His work and writings also played a leading role in the development of the Holiness movement and Pentecostalism

“give all you can, or, in other words, give all you have to God. Do not stint yourself, like a Jew rather than a Christian, to this or that proportion. “Render unto God,” not a tenth, not a third, not half, but all that is God’s, be it more or less”
“The Use of Money”

Charles Spurgeon (1834 – 1892)
Preached to around 10,000,000 people,
Remains one of the most influential preachers to this day – considered by some as the best

“But you are not under a system similar to that by which the Jews were obliged to pay tithes to the priests. If there were any such rule laid down in the Gospel, it would destroy the beauty of spontaneous giving and take away all the bloom from the fruit of your liberality! There is no law to tell me what I should give my father on his birthday. There is no rule laid down in any law book to decide what present a husband should give to his wife, nor what token of affection we should bestow upon others whom we love. No, the gift must be a free one, or it has lost all its sweetness.”
“Christ’s Poverty, Our Riches” (Sermon 2716) April 18, 1880


C.I. Scofield (1843 – 1921)
Theologian,
Author of the best-selling annotated Bible

“In contrast with the law, which imposed giving as a divine requirement, Christian giving is voluntary, and a test of sincerity and love.”
“Scofield Reference Bible” 2 Corinthians 8 and 9


John F. MacArthur (1939)
Serves as the President of The Master's University
Acknowledged as one of the most influential preachers of his time,
Authored or edited more than 150 books

“You know what’s wrong with the 10%? Number one, it isn’t biblical and it’s giving for the wrong reason. It’s giving to fulfill an obligation rather than a response to a loving, willing heart, right?

Second thing that’s wrong with it is, it hinders what you could do by making you think you’re done.
Giving is never to be by coercion. It is never to be by fundraising. It is never to be by compulsion. It is any gimmick is offensive to God.”
“God’s Plan for Giving, Part 1” February 09, 1975

“Tithing does appear in the Bible. So, yes, tithing is biblical. But it is not Christian.
The tithe belongs to ancient Israel. It was essentially their income tax.
Never do you find first-century Christians tithing in the New Testament.”
- Pagan Christianity?: Exploring the Roots of Our Church Practices
Frank Viola and George Barna
Authors


“Many people are hung up on the legal system of tithing. I’ve got nothing against giving. But you are not under the tithe.”
– Les Feldick,
Founder of “Through the Bible”


“tithing is biblical like polygamy, slavery, and animal sacrifices are biblical.
These concepts are included in the Bible. But they are all part of another covenant, one replaced by the New Covenant in the work of Christ.”
– Dr. Glenn Kreider, professor of Theological Studies
Dallas Theological Seminary


Jehovah’s Witnesses
The commandment to tithe, or contribute a tenth of one’s belongings, was part of the Law given to the ancient nation of Israel.
However, the Bible makes it clear that this Law—including the “commandment to collect tithes”—does not apply to Christians.

Separatists
That the due maintenance of the Officers aforesaid, should be of the free and voluntary contribution of the Church, that according to Christ’s ordinance, they which preach the Gospel may live of the Gospel: and not by Popish Lordships and Livings, or Jewish tithes and Offerings.
Christianity Etc › Re: Catholism Is False Religion!!! by MuttleyLaff: 1:29pm On Sep 01, 2016
PastorAIO:
Did the bible tell you that an angel stood in for Yahweh, or are you just inventing more theology again?
Yes, the bible as have earlier provided with verses tells that angel(s) stood in for Yahweh. I have nothing to gain inventing anything studying God.

Am on the road an had to be parking trying to respond but not as effectively as I would have liked to, especially regarding Shema etcetera.

You are making as if Shema just means Hear alone, it actually means more than Hear alone, as it means Hear and Obey, as in Obedience

I will return as soon as possible to justifiably respond to your posts above.

Thanks but no thanks, your websites are not an exhaustive meaning of what Shema is.

I will soon be back, once back in
Christianity Etc › Re: Catholism Is False Religion!!! by MuttleyLaff: 11:02am On Sep 01, 2016
PastorAIO:
10 We have not obeyed the voice of the Lord our God, to walk in His laws, which He set before us by His servants the prophets. 11 Yes, all Israel has transgressed Your law, and has departed so as not to obey Your voice; therefore the curse and the oath written in the Law of Moses the servant of God have been poured out on us, because we have sinned against Him.


This is the passage. There is no mention of Royal law as distinct from Moses' law
Here you go again Chief. What is Shema please?
Now tell, what is its relationship and connection in Daniel 9:10?

PastorAIO:
Haba!! Haba!! That passage is referring to the Shema. Why are you trying to twist it now? Shema is also known as the Great commandment, and the King of the commandments. In this case James was referring to it as the royal commandment to show that it is the most important of the commandments.

36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.


There is not mention of the royal law being a certain part of the OT laws separate from mosaic laws. There is only 1 royal law and it is the Shema
What else is Shema known to be Chief?
Am being straight and all above board with you Chief, no magomago or wuruwuru to the answer.

PastorAIO:
All these things that you have written does not address the fact that Exodus 20 and 21 are one single narrative between Yahweh, the Israelites and Moses.

It starts like this: 1And God spoke all these words, saying,

It is a known and common fact that in the bible Yahweh is often conflated with Angel of Yahweh.

Exodus 13:21
And the LORD went before them by day in a pillar of a cloud, to lead them the way; and by night in a pillar of fire, to give them light; to go by day and night:

Exodus 14:19
The angel of God, who had been going before the camp of Israel, moved and went behind them; and the pillar of cloud moved from before them and stood behind them
Yes because the angel stood in for Yahweh, a divine agent or Yahweh's representative as it were
Afterall it is common knowledge angel means messenger, in this case Yahweh's messenger
Christianity Etc › Re: Catholism Is False Religion!!! by MuttleyLaff:
PastorAIO:
Okay! Let us move on with the main issue now.
Why not. Sounds like a good idea to knuckle down

PastorAIO:
Could you point me to the bible passage that talks about the distinction of Royal Law and Moses Law
Your wish is my command
One out of the many passages is Daniel 9:10-11
Verse 10 talks of the former (i.e. royal law), whilst verse 11 talks of the latter (i.e. Moses Law)

Another hint about the royal law is found in James 2:8

If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:
- James 2:8 KJV

PastorAIO:
And you didn't address the fact that Exodus 20 and exodus 21 are part of one same Narrative in which Yahweh is directly addressing Moses, Not an angel as you claimed
I thought your eagle eyes would've picked up this from Galatians 3:19 that I earlier posted

Never mind, along with other verses (e.g. Judges 2:1 etcetera), Galatians 3:19 is now repeated
and it with other verses are appropriately underlined to highlight the divine agent(s) (i.e. angel(s) or God's representative(s)) roles concerning how Yahweh addressed Moses in Exodus 20 and Exodus 21

You deliberately disobeyed God's law, even though you received it from the hands of angels
- Acts 7:53 NLT

For the message God delivered through angels has always stood firm, and every violation of the law and every act of disobedience was punished
- Hebrews 2:2 NLT

Why, then, was the law given?
It was given alongside the promise to show people their sins.
But the law was designed to last only until the coming of the child who was promised.
God gave his law through angels to Moses, who was the mediator between God and the people
- Galatians 3:19 NLT

20“See, I am sending an angel before you to protect you on your journey and lead you safely to the place I have prepared for you.
21 Pay close attention to him, and obey his instructions.
Do not rebel against him, for he is my representative, and he will not forgive your rebellion
- Exodus 23:20-21 NLT

The angel of the LORD went up from Gilgal to Bokim and said to the Israelites,
"I brought you out of Egypt in to this land that I swore to give your ancestors, and I said I would never break my covenant with you
- Judges 2:1 NLT
Christianity Etc › Re: Catholism Is False Religion!!! by MuttleyLaff: 10:53am On Aug 31, 2016
PastorAIO:
Ol boi, I asked you for simple directions and you took me on the scenic route. I don't know why you are going on at length about all these irrelevant things. Even to the point of telling me about Pastor Chris and Rhapsody of Reality
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Haba Chief, if you are being honest you would admit I was giving another example of bigotry you raised in your post where some paste non original works here and not able to defend is as they aren't the author

Don't be reading my posts in a rush, I don't read yours like that, and this is why am able to piecemeal respond to them

PastorAIO:
Abeg, make we come down again to the simple kweshion. Are you dividing to law into parts that you are bound by and parts that you abrogate? Very simple.

But luckily I had the patience to wean some paltry grains of wheat from the chaff.

I believe you've created a whole new theology for yourself with this your 'royal law' versus 'law of moses'.

I'm sorry but I'm just gonna have to stop you dead in your tracks there because it is based on a totally false foundation.


You said:


I'm sorry but you are just making this up and contradicting the bible in the process.

Eye for a Eye in the law of Moses which we are discussing was not given by any angels but by Yahweh himself. It is in the very next chapter after the ten commandments are given.

Exodus Chapter 21:

It is Yahweh speaking: 1“Now these are the rules that you shall set before them.


In that chapter Yahweh speaks throughout. He continues: 23But if there is harm,d then you shall pay life for life, 24eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, 25burn for burn, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.

The only reason that these laws are not together with the Ten Commandments is because the children of Israel became afraid while he was giving his speech and beg him to talk only to Moses.

There is NO WHERE in the bible where you'll find any such thing as a distinction of 'royal law' and 'moses law' received from angels. At least not to my knowledge. Though I'm happy for you to enlighten me if such is the case
Apart from your occasional humility, I always enjoy the privilege of engaging you because we learn a thing or two for not more off each other, we provoke each other to search and confirm things out.

Surprisingly for you there is such thing as a distinction of 'royal law' and 'moses law' received from angels.

I think you aren't familiar with the phrase royal law and not aware why they are called royal laws

If am right, I already provided verses attesting to that. Please correct if I havent.

PastorAIO:
It's odd that the most extra-biblically minded fellows are the ones that are most vocal in accusing the Catholic church of being extra-biblical
Whatever this means

PastorAIO:
I put it to you that you have cherry picked from the laws of Moses. To convince me otherwise you have to come with something stronger than what seems to me a conceited new fangled theology without biblical basis.
It's all in the bible alright
Again not cherry-picking but applying 2 Timothy 2:15
Christianity Etc › Re: A Thread Strictly On Evolution And Its Many Fallacies. Seun Alone by MuttleyLaff: 8:33am On Aug 30, 2016
Seun:
The point is in enjoying the good things that life has to offer and helping others to do the same.
And in contributing some things to the world that will continue to help others to enjoy the pleasures of life even after we are long dead
We know how that has so far helped us today

Seun:
When we talk about pleasures, religious people think we are talking about food and sex, but that's far from it
Religious people or the bible is thinking of pleasure to be any form of gratification, stemming from selfish ambitions etcetera
and not pleasure being just about food or sex

Having said that, once aware of a few facts, one is able to be understand why food or sex moves to the forefront

Seun:
We are highly intelligent apes and our greatest pleasures are intellectual
Love him or hate him, you have to admire Seun's chutzpah and unapologetic slipped in ''We are highly intelligent apes'' remark
Yep highly intelligent apes and of the genus Homo, but doesnt shade the fact that we are fearfully and wonderfully made beings

Not sure how much Seun knows that, he is in many ways, so much on to something very important with that remark

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